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@Barney
Also... What kind of threat was that, and what would the CoC say about it? (sorry if other people have already made that joke this game)
Careful, a hypothetical 13 year old could have seen your comment about CoC's and got the wrong message! Oh the horrors!
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@AdaptableRatman
If you were IC and didnt play it by saying you will lie, Id rate you lower as a player for it personally.
Thats the thing. You don't say it, you just do it, or if you cant' do it well (you can't) you just be honest from the get go. Because IF you are town, scum now know it anyway, and you created a ton of confusion around yourself based on the lies you told.
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@AdaptableRatman
You have 5 mins
Count em down fvck face. I am more than happy to vote barney, but I specifically will do it on my own time to spite you. Go fvck yourself.
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@Mikal
Agree with all this. Fully agree.Still point is. Why does he have to die now when it resolves itself later. We are hedging for dp3 on theOff chance he is town and dumb and if he’s scum. He still dies.It’s the immediate need to kill him that was throwing me when there is a mod confirmed way to solve
Again your hedging all your bets on us even making it to day 3, and at this moment in time the only other options on the table were wf/ultra who I think both are town. It doesn't look like RM is getting lynched either so were kind of just talking in circles here for no reason. That said I'd be willing to lynch barney if he doesn't get replaced before the end of the day phase.
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@AdaptableRatman
Vote Barney or I stay on you. That is the literal deal.You have 7 mins.
I don't negotiate with terrorists/mafia.
But barney needs to post or be replaced, and I would be okay with lynching him if we can't agree on another option for today.
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@Mikal
I’m saying help me understand the thought process of you pushing him so hard. I agree his play is shit but I think you can admit his play is shit as both town and scum. So if there is a 100 percent way to confirm him or lock him, why would he need to Die outside of policy reasons? I get the behavior thing. Fully agree with you. But if he’s lying he still dies. So why did it have to be now when there was a clear way to solve this and also likely Poe ultra laterWalk me through the thought process
I don't think it's just sh1t play, I think thats what he is trying to disguise it as, but his play is a stark contrast to his play in the last game. He hasn't explained a SINGLE scum read so far, and has been on me ever since I first voted for him. Since then at least 5 people have asked him to explain his scum read on me and he has outright refused to do so. This is the definition of OMGUS.
Take your thoughts on my pressure of RM out of the equation and look at his scum reads in an isolate box. Can you even tell me why he scum reads anyone on list little list of three that he keeps repeating? He loves repeating his scum reads, but he has never bothered to explain any of them.
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@Mikal
Just killing to kill you cus we have to kill someone is not an argument I can see Luna making.
If you literally think this is the argument I am making, then my fvcking forehead vein is about to bust in an anuerysm. Holy sh1t.
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@Mikal
Can you admit that tunnel seemed sus as shit?
I only tunnel as town. Find a recent game where I am scum and take a super hard stance. I usually waffle a lot as scum, and join the most convenient wagon, I almost never try to lead the town a direction as scum.
It’s either a policy kill to Teach him a lesson but not letting it resolve does not make sense cus it’s 100 percent kill or confirmI’m really struggling with you would not immediately see that instead of pushing back so hard on it
Because I town read the alternatives to the RM lynch, which seems to be WF and ultra, and I already said I didn't want to push for more claims when we already have a few on the table. Push for too many more and we might as well just mass claim. Me and you were literally able to game solve the biology game because town forced 5 claims in dp1 remember?
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@Mikal
I am debating if this is some Policy stance for town Luna or if scum Luna does not want a town lock.I am really struggling to see Luna as town not understanding the value of having this resolve itself and making the argument to kill you cus someone has to die. It’s very odd
He lied about his role 50 times, whereas if he would have come clean immediately he would be in the same situation except I would believe him, all this was done to fool the mafia but he still just comes clean in the end after pulling all that crap? his behavior was drastically different the entire time. Anyways you have your mind made up I am scum, you've been saying it all day phase, I don't think me being consistent on this argument is really deepening your read on me. You literally agreed with this read earlier. If you think I am scum that's fine, Idk what to tell you.
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@Mikal
I didnt abandon it, im saying resolve it later. I think it’s a 50/50 with him or RM and rms confirmation gives infoI agree if there isn’t a better target someone has toDie. I’d volunteer myself before you kill the person who is saying they literally can mod confirm. It’s either a guaranteed scum kill or a 100 percent town lock. Going on that direction until it resolves makes no sense
Well either way doesn't look like RM is getting lynched so I guess it's a moot point.
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@Barney
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@Mharman
Looks like I've lost support for the RM lynch. We need to find another lynch. Lately its just me AR and mikal dominating the conversation, so I would like some more thoughts from the peanut gallery since we have to find a new lynch target.
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@Mikal
why are you wanting to cut read a mod confirmable role? When he flips You deal With it then
Claim =/= behavior, also there is not a better target and we need to lynch someone.
Luna pushing so hard on this is really pinging me as strange as it makes literally no sense to kill Him early as it resolves itself later.
You literally had to abandon your other highest scum read in ultra just to cede the point that this could end before dp3... lol
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@Mikal
On god we need to stop fluff. Get off RM go to another target. Entertaining anything he says is dumb. His reads are all over the place and largely no value
We disagree on all of our other targets and I already said I don't see the need to push more claims. Your other scum reads are exactly me and wf as you;ve said a hundred times. I know I am town, and I town read whiteflame. So we are at an impasse.
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@AdaptableRatman
Do you know how bluffing works?The fact I was scumread was ideal too but I got too scumread
I needed mafia to believe that I was frameable andeave me for later or to waste investigations on me
Assuming you are town, you played this in the worst way possible and created more doubt for town then was neccesary, because the end result was still the same, you still claimed, but because you lied so much created so much confusion, its much harder to believe you are town, and mafia will still know you are innocent child. That's why I said lying and pulling all that crap is always anti town unless you know what you are doing enough to pull it off.
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@Mikal
Not risking killing him over pride
I want to lynch him for his behavior not for pride. I brought the pride up as an argument for you, since you literally said you don't care about his behavior.
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@AdaptableRatman
If I said differently it would narrow down what I am too much. I lied intentionally.
It was also said after you claimed innocent child the first time then admitted to lying about it.
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@Mikal
How does this end before dp3?
9 person set up means 7 v 2, exactly three mislynches. Assuming Ultra is town and another townie hammers, thats 2 mislynches, if we mislynch dp2 its game over counting two night kills. 5 dead townies makes it 2 v 2 which is parity.
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@Mikal
I find it omega sus you are wanting to Lynch rm
I find it omega infuriating you are giving him a free fvcking pass for the worst behavior ever. This is text book scum RM.
When he’s claiming an outright confirmable role.
He claimed it once before, said he lied about it, then claimed it again. He said multiple time this day phase he wouldn't be claiming under any circumstances, and that he would lie when he did, and you are now arbitrarily trusting that. And he doesn't even know how innocent child works, because he has said a few times that he is "probably" confirmable, or there is a small chance he won't be confirmed when thats literally not how innocent child works.
It will resolve or he dies. There is literally no reason to kill him and he is now Locked.
Don't be surprised if he isn't confirmed and laughs in your face for believing this bs and enforcing his mafia god complex.
He’s either buying time as scum and will die or we have a town locked. Not worth the risk when it’s literally confirmable.
You are easily dismissing the scenario we don't even make it to day phase three, not to mention other roles that could exist that could shorten things as well.
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Also even if you buy RM's claim, it literally explains none of the behavior changes, the omgus, the lying, literally anything.
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@Mikal
That’s fine. He still dies dp3 but it wedges bets. Hes also dumb enough as town to do That and it’s literally non sensical to let him have a chance to confirm since they can’t end before then cus my role stops.
I mean in this situation we don't even make it to dp3. sooo...
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@Mharman
What happened to the discussion you kept wanting to have today?
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@Mikal
Only harm to leaving rm Alive is if they can end dp3 and I deactive so there’s no way for them to end before then
consider ultra is town, and so is whiteflame, one more mislynch on dp2 the game ends before we even make it to dp3 lol
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@Mikal
Is it’s dumb to push him as if he doesn’t turn over dp3 he dies. Let him confirm and if he lied we kill him. He’s telling the truth about the character. No shot he’s claiming that and not getting cced unless it’s provided by the mod. That chick is like the major face of feminism.
It took him half the day phase and 50 lies to claim, including claiming that once already, back tracking, hinting at other roles, more lying, to finally settle on that claim. Don't be surprised if he survives to dp3 gets lynched and laughs in our faces for buying that sh1t.
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@Mikal
Can we have wf hammer ultra ?
wtf why? Why is the one game where you are fvcking almost guaranteed to be town do you have like the WORST takes. This is getting insane.
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For everyone saying Joan of Arc isn't a feminist, btw she lived in the 1400's feminism wasn't a thing until the mid 1800's.
Also the wiki literally calls her a feminist in the first line of google searching her name "Joan has been described as an obedient member of the Catholic Church, an early feminist, and a symbol of freedom and independence."
Which is why Savant would consider her a feminist.
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@AdaptableRatman
Why would I want any town investigative role to investigate me? I want mafia to.
Or you are scum and trying to scare town away from voting you. Who knows we might not make it to dp3, especially if ultra is town and takes a townie with him, game could end dp2
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@AdaptableRatman
My justification implies Bulletproof backstory a lot more or some sort of self protection.
What does that have to do with being an innocent child
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@AdaptableRatman
Yes. I lied to confuse Mafia. I left it vague on purpose.If I am not confirmed fully dp3 as innocent child vote me off.
You've been openly lying to confuse the town and scare off investigator roles, you have said so yourself.
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@AdaptableRatman
I lied about the degree of certainty to hide what I am.
You literally already claimed this earlier than said you lied lol
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My role will be CONFIRMABLE later (either definitely or very very probably)
How is "very very probably" an option, innocent child is 100% confirmed in the OP.
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That role is such that by dp3 Ill be able to prove I am town to a very high degree of certainty.
"High degree of certainty"
Innocent child is literally confirmed
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I don’t fully disagree but if I read ultra harder I’d be throwing not going him first. RM is at the top of my list and don’t want to reward him for playing poorly
Letting him live when we wouldn't literally ever allow any other player to get away with this behavior is the definition of rewarding him for playing poorly.
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@Mikal
In a perfect world rm needs to hammer ultra
RM already said he wasn't going to. Your going to kill the person thats been complying and forthcoming over the obstinate child throwing a temper tantrum whose been openly lying all game. Great.
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@Mikal
I’m still okay with RM. But I can’t shake he’s just being dumb.
He's openly lying and hurting town. It's not just dumb, it's insane. We can literally not trust a thing he says, and theres apparently a chance he isn't even confirmed dp3 by his own admission.
Eveyrthing ultra has said just hits me wrong.
Literally just his claim lol I mean this is 100% overthinking, this player isn't one of the higher posters, hes either gambled a risky fake claim against his partners wishes, or hes just genuinely the thing he claims.
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@Mikal
I agree with this to an extent but it’s why I read it as scummy. RM is also opportunistic but it’s also a way for someone to steer it away from Ultra while saying scum would want to kill him cus if he is super saint. He takes someone with him.I think you are good enough to see this and going for RM would be better for you if you are scum.
Bro you are over thinking this soooo hard
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@Mikal
Also could be Luna wf. Mainly looking slightly at Luna because he is really wanting to push the rm lynch so hard
You were too, and I still don't understand why you changed. I provided a whole case of behavioral analysis to back the push up.
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@Mikal
Luna just pings me behaviorally odd as some of his pushes seem Opportunistic.
Ultra is the most oppertunistic push here, and I am the only one defending him besides casey lol.
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@whiteflame
I'd prefer just lynching the person we think is most likely scum, but if the majority think that's Ultra, then I guess we have to have a pretty solid second pick hammer.
I don't think the majority are leaning ultra, I think its AR
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@AdaptableRatman
But you see bluffing works in funny ways.If I came into the dp acting a different way I cannot then force the preessure to get reads.
You haven't pressured anyone. You just keep begging people to vote with you without telling them why. That is not pressure.
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@Ultracrepidarian
I may be copiously lacking in many intellectual areas, but even I wouldn't fake claim super saint after such little pressure and so much time.
Plus you've been in enough of these now you don't really count as "new" anymore.
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@AdaptableRatman
Not at all.I dont need to look towniest in this scenario as scum.
That's sure not how you came into the day phase acting. Sounded like you wanted everyone's approval and permission on how to act this game. Nice switcharoo.
Ive basically dedicated to not caring until dp3.
Yeah your probably gonna get lynched because of it, so congrats.
If forced I have a claim. Once I claim you are doomed.
lol
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Also Supersaint makes a lot of sense with Joan. And its a lynch I am suspicious of mafia having high incentive to want to push because it could result in two mislynches. I am open to it being scum, I just agree with casey, he seemed to claim it without tons of pressure. Theres bad and then theres bad.
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@AdaptableRatman
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@AdaptableRatman
Lets say I am mafia,I would lie and shame Casey to not vote me by saying skill issue.
If your mafia this whole post is wifom. You would say what you would want us to think would make you look the towniest.
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@AdaptableRatman
Today is Lunatic or me
You've said it 50 times now, and still haven't provided a reason to anyone whose asked you lol
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@AdaptableRatman
That is a skill issue
You keep saying this with nothing to show for it. You missed all your reads last game lol
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@WyIted
But would savant see her as a feminist? And why would ultra claim that?
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@WyIted
Joan of Arc is not even a feminist and we have a hated and a super saint.
Shes not? Are you sure?
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