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Regardless of AR's flip I think this game gets so much less messy with AR gone. We can't trust anything he says either way.
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@Mikal
I mean sometimes im on discord but not posting in game cuz im not caught up, I don't think that is a good logical argument for him being scum but w/e
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@Mikal
Actually I think scum is whiteflame. He’s pretty active on discord for the past 2 hours and going off and on. Assuming checking messages for mafia. I was waiting to see if this changes but it’s been constant all day and he’s not posting. Has been roughly active around 25 times the past 2 hours and not engaging here. He only uses discord for mod chat or this. And tends toUse it more on mafia. It was a very similar activity pattern to when he was modding when Luna and I were scumUnvoteVTL whiteflame
I think whiteflame is town. Also he doesn't tend to lurk much as scum, on the contrary he is usually pretty active.
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@AdaptableRatman
Why did you even bother asking people at the beginning how you should play and behave if you weren't fully planning on giving a sh1t about what anyone thinks anyway?
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First of all I am going to take a point whiteflame made with a grain of salt here: "There might be some basis for pursuing softclaims as well, but I'm hesitant to narrow the field of character claims early."
I kind of had the same stance in pies last game call of duty mafia, and since whiteflame is usually the person that encourages these types of softs, I am assuming he probably knows more of the theme than I do and that pursuing information needlessly early could be harmful. Which is why I am fine just lynching my top scum read here and not pushing too many more reads, also we have another full claim on the table with ultra, so probably have plenty of information already. At most, maybe town can pursue one more claim, though I don't really think it's needed at this point, since most of the reads seem to be between RM/ultra anyway.
Why RM is the best lynch:
Differences in playstyle:
1A: Early aggressiveness/ vs "Hey guys how do you want me to play this time"
This point is a pretty distinct difference. We had a plan to pressure AR early last game, assuming he would be a game throwing, tempter tantrum throwing prick as usual, and applied early pressure. Not only did he immediately comply ( we will get into this later), he immediately pressed savant HARD afterwards. He was telling us multiple times how sure he was that savant was scum, and pressed this read all game. This game he basically does the opposite; In fact he basically comes in asking what people think of him off the rip, why he got immediately voted last game, whether we want him to lead us (Why would he care? Dude thinks hes a god at mafia, has all but said so on multiple occasions. If he's town he would JUST do it wouldn't he?), and his third question basically sets himself up for lying later anyway (note he never waited or cared if people answered no to this, he just did it anyway, so what was the point in asking>). This is a stark contrast from the AR who just gripped the last game by the proverbial nutsack and did his thing. And even though he was wrong about savant, he was soooo obviously town no matter what, the only person I can see feigning that level of confidence as scum is wylted and maaaaybbbeee mikal.
1B: Compliance:
Remember last game he complied with his claim immediately when asked. There was none of this garbage about "Whats your guys stance on lying?" etc. As town lying needs to be extremely limited in the first place. The only times I can ever really see a case for it is if town is pressing you early and you have a really strong role thats just not worth risking it for (this is what he is pretending to be the case, but if you add up the facts it actually doesn't make sense). Also its AR. If anyone is going to be absolute crap at lying its him, he was caught multiple accounting back on DDO many times when he was banned because he was so bad at lying. If there's anyone as town who should not be lying its definitely fvcking him. I already caught him in a few lies, and he just keeps admitting that he's doing it whilst thinking its okay. It's not. Town don't lie. Hell if your the town cop and you can't lie I'd rather you just claim cop. Because at this point hes hinting hes a power role anyway, and thus making him a target anyway. The only group he's hurting by not claiming and complying at this point is town.
Role claim inconsistencies:
He hinted that he was a role akin to black goo, immediately my mind goes to "Hes hinting ascetic" or some other role. Any role that would be akin to black goo would be a role that deters town from visiting him, which he literally claimed anyways earlier:
"It is in every towny's best interest to not investigate me. It may backfire or be a waste of time."
Then when mikal unvotes him later he says his role is one of 4 things:
- I am innocent child dp3
- I am vigilante 1x planning to either np1 or np2, trying to bait out the rb or redirect on the night I dont use it.
- I am an even night only arms dealer or similar role.
- I am a mason type role.
Literally none of these roles have draw backs to town visiting him. I call him out on this and he admits he lied.
I lied. Wanted to discourage anyone wasting investigations or protections on me and to bluff so mafia feel something.
This is why I say town shouldn't lie, especially if they are bad at it. He's now been caught lying multiple times, and there doesn't appear to be any logical reason to it, and since hes already admitted to lying, obviously mafia know not to call out his bluff. His lies literally are only helping the scum team at this point.
This behavior is extremely irrational for any town player, and if was literally anyone else we would be lynching them for it. I don't see why RM would get a pass here for any of this.
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@AdaptableRatman
I lied. Wanted to discourage anyone wasting investigagions or protections on me and to bluff so mafia feel something. Or doible bluff.Mafia dont know to nk me, rb me, rolecop me or what to do with me.They cannot ignore me, I promise that.
Obviously you lied. All this lying is pointless, and harmful if you are actually town. It's more likely you are scum and floundering.
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@AdaptableRatman
Mikal I will say this either:
- I am innocent child dp3
- I am vigilante 1x planning to either np1 or np2, trying to bait out the rb or redirect on the night I dont use it.
- I am an even night only arms dealer or similar role.
- I am a mason type role.
None of these are even close to the “black goo” role you said you were similar too.
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@Mikal
RM I will leave you alive but if you don’t show up as innocent child, I’m death tunneling you.
He’s not innocent child. He already said he lied. How the hell are you falling for this? Looks like I’m gonna have to write up that case after all
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@Mikal
I don’t like this lynch you for being a liability statement. It does come off as opportunistic but I also know will policy yeet people for doing this
I’ll take responsibility if this is a mislynch; but I’m feeling pretty confident he’s scum ngl. I’ll write up a case for it when I get home if needed but it will basically just be a repost of my same points just more eloquently written
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@AdaptableRatman
Doesn’t matter you already said you were gonna lie. At this point even if your town you are a liability
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@AdaptableRatman
You said I was being passive and also not letting things go naturally at the same time. That is a gaslighting conundrum.
That’s not what gaslighting is, and not what I said. I said you are trying to tell town how to read you instead of just being yourself and letting us come to our own conclusions like we did last game. It doesn’t read as natural
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@AdaptableRatman
Telling town you are lying literally defeats the purpose of doing it. If you’re gonna lie you have to just do it and it better be for a good reason. I don’t see you being a role similar to being “goo” as a good reason to lie. Sounds like your claiming ascetic which is usually a go to scum claim.
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@AdaptableRatman
White on rice is the opposite of letting others come to conclusions naturally.I hijacked everything to stop the massclaim and refused to let things go naturally.At the end of the day you are clinging at nothing.My role is different this game. Me outing fast is stupid this game. Others in the game are different. Last game was high activity, this game is less active.How do you expect me to have more reads than I have?I literally already made a list of TR and scumpool. You are gaslighting.
Gaslighting? How am I gaslighting you? Also this entire post reeks of being overly defensive lol.
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@AdaptableRatman
And what is your reasoning behind not voting anyone else than me?
You don’t seem nearly as confident, your talking up what you do as opposed to doing it, as opposed to last game where you were on your reads like white on rice, here your spending all your time trying to sell what your town tells are rather than just let other people come to that conclusion naturally. And the role your hinting at isn’t all that townie sounding, I see no reason you would even be willing to lie about it and it sounds like it has an equal chance of hurting town. It’s screaming like your setting up a fake claim but it’s not even a good one.
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funny as I’m catching up my immediate thought is this is a different rm than the last game, and it seems several others have picked up on that as well. Btw Mikal is town lock in my eyes, I don’t buy it’s a gambit.
Vtl RM.
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@Casey_Risk
Alright, I wasn't very familiar with Clementine Ford so I looked her up. Turns out, there's two Clementine Fords who have Wikipedia articles, and they both seem like they could be in the game. I presume you are this one? I can see her being Hated. Makes more sense than the other Ford at least.
I think the one I googled was the wrong one then
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@Mikal
Clementine ford
Danielle would have loved this theme, her account before she changed it to Danielle was litterly “TheLword” which is the show clementine played on
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@AdaptableRatman
Ban it from Mikal too
Only you are allowed to be a hypocrite huh
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1. whiteflame
2. Casey
3. WyIted/Earth
4. Mikal
5. Lunatic
6. Ultra
7. Barney
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Replacements:
1. Mharman
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@AdaptableRatman
No, the image should be banned. Even adults get freaked out seeing it. It's some torture, murder, rape or kidnapping thing.
No, Your posts calling people telling people they have self esteem issues should be banned. Imagine if a 13 year old saw that, what could happen. Reported.
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@AdaptableRatman
You joke about suicide.
Oh when someone makes your same point you dismiss it as a joke? So are you admitting that your original point should be regarded as a joke then?
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Wat if a 13 year old with self esteem issued just saw that post and killed themselves...
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@Mikal
Yeah he is a notorious gaslighter, makes me hate engaging with him in any way.
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@Mikal
To think he almost a mod lmfaoWho ever had that nugget of inspiration should be ashamed.
I appreciate that the mods were willing to give him a chance, it did seem he had changed. Assuming he was capable of changing, I would be supportive of him being mod. As long as he can get away from the "Ban everything mentality" he would be fine. But I guess he hasn't matured enough for that yet, maybe in another 5 years or so.
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Current Mafia:
N/A
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iLikePie5+Savant- Feminism Mafia
In the Hopper:
Lunatic- Atypical (Went recently, feel free to pass me up on the list if you wanna go sooner)
Mharman
RM - Harry Potter theme
On Hold:
Wylted - Lulsec
Casey_Risk - Deltarune Mafia
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which somehow overtook Lunatic and Mharman and didnt say Savant
pie is using his spot for a co mod game not that confusing or complicated.
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@Casey_Risk
Idk what you're talking about, I literally don't see anyone in that image.
Reminds me of this photo. My friends keep telling me theirs US soldiers in it, but I literally don't see anything except a blue background... Are they gaslighting me?
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The utter hilarity of the suggestion of a ban on casey of all people is immeasurable XD
Good joke AR, keep em comin', I needed a good laugh.... :D
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@AdaptableRatman
I think you are just a talker btw.You said you'd blacklist savant and mikal on a principle but you won't.
I convinced him to just policy lynch him every time he does it instead.
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Gg. Not giving earth sh1t, he already admitted balance was off, but yeah I would have really hated to be mafia in this game. I’m not sure what I would have done in casey and whiteflames shoes and probably would have given up even sooner. Way too much town confirmation that we barely had to do any scum hunting, we basically had to work through POE. And my bodyguard being successful and not killing me was helpful, pie seemed like an obvious target but yeah I probably should have died there to make it fair for scum.
Anyways all love earth, I don’t think you’ve had balance issues in previous games and I’m sure you learned a bit from this one so again not giving you crap lol. Very glad I wasn’t scum tho.
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Current Mafia:
Earth - Skyrim Mafia
Sign ups:
None
In the Hopper:
iLikePie5
Lunatic- Atypical (Went recently, feel free to pass me up on the list if you wanna go sooner)
Mharman
On Hold:
Wylted - Lulsec
Casey_Risk - Deltarune Mafia
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@ILikePie5
I think you’re assuming things that you shouldn’t be assuming probably. I can’t think of it.
I think so as well because there should still be multiple possibilities
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@ILikePie5
It’s definitely a possibility, but I thjnk that’s a tomorrow question. I am very confident that Casey is scum.
I’ll trust you on this one just make sure the logic is sound all around. It’s mostly because Mikal keeps pinging both sides of the radar to me, sometimes he seems really scummy and sometimes some of the blatant dumbness of what he says or things he misses make me think he is just genuinely uninformed town, because as scum there’s certain details I feel like he just wouldn’t keep missing. So yeah I’m back and forth on him. Casey just gave up entirely and I feel like town Casey would have more fight in her.
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@ILikePie5
I see a stronger cause for Mikal being town than Casey, but if Casey is town, we’re at MYLO tomorrow with scum in Mikal/RM. I just don’t think RM would have a claim ready that fast. It has to be real, in which case it’s likely Mikal.
2 v 4 is mylo? I guess technically it is, yeah assuming I don’t get another protection off. That would make RM pretty dangerous if we are just lynching through his dreamer results under the assumption he isn’t lying.
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@WyIted
Ask we know is scum definitely didn't visit rm because that claim before knowing results is extremely ballsy. So he has to be town
What if RM actually is just playing an extremely ballsy scum gale and we’re all just giving him a pass based on the wifom that “he would never do that” lol
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@Mikal
If she does flip town, do you see the solve?
If she’s town it’s you + Whiteflame or owen
Or AR is scum and the dreamer results are having us chase our tails
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@ILikePie5
I agree, but the POE is tough here. What’s nagging me is that scum didn’t visit RM. Why not?
Yeah that bugs me too
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@ILikePie5
Can use guys still communicate if one of you dies?
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