Lunatic

That is how I reacted when emotional in a situation that didn't punish anybody.

The only part of that which was unprofessional was to use the word 'cunt'.

Are you saying that Wylted hasn't said worse things?

If you didn't skip in the middle you skipped what came before then.

If I were to dox you or Wylted against your will and use things you'd said elsewhere, I know what the mods would do to me.

That said, we will see the outcome. Not like you showed the full convo anyway, you skipped parts in the middle but I do not care.

I will wait for permission to post to this thread with campaigning.

Silenced to me personally or silenced to speak others on a platform that I control?

no dont screenshot

And the fact that blocking to me is not always permanent is something you wish to completely ignore?

Of course it is, since your agenda here is precisely to demonise me but I will ask you this, can you please fully tell the Borat conversation rather than your abridged version?

Lmao, I can't defend against this without violating the rule of not campaigning outside my campaign thread, so I will wait for the mods to allow me to. Otherwise, I'll address this inside my thread.

Also you are not blocked, you are literally still on my friends list on discord.

Wait, why are we banning people for having beliefs on a debate website? Because we don't like their beliefs? Isn't this counterproductive to a debate website?

Anyways I’m done here. 

You literally said you were lazy in the Discord and wanted to concede because of it lol.

You’re not even holistically considering the balance for the game. It was only a 2x Redirector and odds of them choosing the right person are just about the same as a Cop investigating a person innocent.

And yes that’s how the balance worked this game. If I didn’t have the Strongman role/modifier, I’d agree it’s bastard, but I did have it

 If the Redirector was unlimited I’d agree it was bastard, but it wasn’t. The game wasn’t broken. You screwed yourself over by killing Oro. I don’t have to follow the rules of other mods and neither do you. Deal with it.

My bad. Still doesn’t get over the fact you could’ve quit after reading the OP. Or the fact you could’ve asked questions rather than assume stuff. I thought I provided enough info, clearly I didnt, but you could’ve told me to clarify things. I can’t read your mind. Mods mod differently. If you don’t like it, don’t play, but this game as it was designed was far from bastard.

It was you who said that you were lazy, not me lmfao. It’s your job to research. And once again, I could’ve clarified it better but that doesn’t excuse you from assuming things. Cause when you do you look like the first 3 three letters.

I was referring to Poker as well. The mechanics weren’t normal. And we both questioned the mod when things seemed vague. You’re actually trying to justify why I should’ve read your mind and put everything out before hand. It’s simply impossible.

I’ve already said I could’ve made it less vague by providing an example, but that still doesn’t absolve you of not asking questions because you were lazy.

You played in Bullish’s game with odd mechanics lol. I even said in the OP there are hidden mechanics in this game. You could’ve quit before the game even started. 

I’m not psychic that I could predict all the questions you’re going to ask. Whiteflame was dealing with a new interpretation of Lover and he asked me a ton of questions for clarification. If you don’t know you ask, but you were lazy this game so you didn’t.

There are weird mechanics in a lot of games. Even if I said it you’d still have played lmao

Then maybe you should’ve asked like any normal human being would if you’re confused about what “modify” means lol. The point was the you could attach the modifier of not being blockable or redirectable to any action you take. I could’ve made it clearer and included an example but you still could’ve asked instead of assuming. And this is how I mod with Redirectors everytime lol. No mod mods the same way lol.

Again: you could’ve Strongarmed so I did give you a counter to account for my mechanic. If I didn’t give you the mechanic, I would be more sympathetic to your cause, but the way I designed this game, I specifically accounted for that. If you don’t like weird mechanics that’s on you.

Your role clarified you can use it as a Modifier to another role in the Super JOAT lol. 

Well there’s a reason why he was only a 2x Redirector. And you could’ve still Strongman killed anyone of your choosing. The counter is still there.

Strongarms go through even if you’re roleblocked. It’s not some unitary role that only bypasses Doctors lol. Here’s the description straight off MafiaUniverse:

“The Strongman will, if they perform a kill, have immunity against this action being manipulated with (including Roleblocker, Redirector, etc.) or protected against (including Bulletproof, Doctor, Bodyguard, etc.).”

You weren’t able to NK anyways cause of the Virgin lol. And there is a counter - attach Strongman to your actions.

I give Luna props, I did not sus him until pretty late in DP2 and even then he had me second-guessing it. Wasn't until DP3 that POE put him squarely in the crosshairs.

I’ve always modded based on how I described it to Mikal and you last night. And there was a counter. I don’t know what you’re talking about lol. 

Lunatic decided to concede because he thought a Redirector redirecting a Roleblock was OP even after I gave him a Strongman that neutralizes it. Whatever floats his boat I guess. I thought the game was pretty balanced - maybe Town lean if I had a gun to my head. Mafia had everything they could need. I gave them a Fake Claim and a separate Fake Role. I gave them a Super JOAT that allows modifications to actions as long as the Enabler is alive - similar to what Poly did in his game but even more OP.

I still don’t understand the reasoning behind killing Oro even after he claims a role like Beloved Princess. There was a hidden mechanic that if Mafia choose to Hooker the Virgin, Oro would’ve lost his powers and reverted to a Vanilla.

I'd like to end this DP, but I'd also like your claim before that happens. Currently, you're the only holdout.

why do you think this.

Town luna wouldn't rush the dayphase knowing he had time later to play.

You're not playing like usual luna town.

Just so we don't keep digging down into this, I'll just say that I'm willing to consider him in future lynches. I don't think I would do so for this DP, but I think a lynch on Bron would be telling.

I guess you could call it a hunch based on what I've seen him do before. If we're assuming that scum got full claims with associated justifications, I guess I could see him just being lazy and full-claiming the whole thing.

Here's what's bugging me about it, though: he was under the misapprehension from early on, even after Wylted said that his role failed, that Wylted had Watched Bron. As scum, you would think that he'd know that Wylted was RB'd and just acknowledge that the attempt to use the role failed. I have a hard time believing that he would keep pushing the narrative that it went through and Wylted just didn't understand the response he got from Pie.

Wouldn't be the first time I've seen a Redirector on town, and wouldn't be too surprised if Pie had included one. That being said, if this is a Bron/Poly team, I don't see Poly coming up with a tactic of either fake claiming Redirector (pretty ballsy) or just giving away his role (even more ballsy). I guess this could be a fake claim given to him by Pie, but I find the amount that he's going through to explain why he did it doesn't fit with what I've seen Poly do as scum.

I'm just extremely hesitant with him regardless of behavior. I've been convinced that he was scum before and been proven wrong, so I'm honestly just completely unsure at this point. From anyone else, this behavior would be enough to get them lynched. From him... even with the lower involvement (and I'd say this is his lowest yet) and the fact that he posted yesterday that he knew we were actively VTLing him, I can't say that it's obvious. I still don't know how he'd behave as scum, but if this is it, then I'm having a hell of a time reading it cleanly.

The problem at this point is POE. We're running down the list, and right now, Wylted and Poly are the most townread people in this game. I townread you based on behavior and GP based on his attempt to get himself modkilled, plus the absence of the wincon in his post. That just leaves Bron and Evil, neither of whom I'm townreading. At best, Evil's null to me. It's at the point where I'm actively reconsidering my view on GP's claim and scrutinizing your posts just so that I can get someone else in there because I'm that uncertain about Evil.

I targeted you Luna because i thought you would have a good role and seemed town.

I think there's more than enough reason to lynch Bron based on what we know so far, though I also recognize that much of it could be circumstantial. He claims to have visited Wylted during the last NP, and Wylted got RB'd in that same NP. It could be that we just have another person who did it, but the simpler answer is that he did it himself.

It's still possible that Bron carried out the NK. All the Redirect tells us is that Wylted had his target changed. It doesn't tell us anything about Bron's target, since the Redirect wasn't directed at him.