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@Evilgenius
Did you use your ability last night? If so who did you use it on and why?
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I will say I am not entirely opposed prima facie to a dr leb lynch because my role makes me slightly suspicious of his claim. I do not want to go into detail about this though, because the argument is pretty weak and we were proven wrong about it in a recent game, but still it irks me at the back of my mind.
As far as the rest of the actions go, I feel pretty good that based on the interactions wylted is probably town. Whiteflame looks good here too, and if poly is actually a redirector it proves at least the dr leb didn't carry out the night kill I think. Though I still dont really get the redirect, in fact if I didn't know what any roles were and I was a town redirector I might have just forfeited that one. So not sure what to really think of that whole mess yet.
Still would like to hear from evil. His inactivity is pretty concerning.
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Claimslist:
Greyparrot- Pyrus Fortress- Ascetic
Drlebronski- Ventus Monarus- 2x Bodyguard (Np1 target wylted)
Wylted- ??? - Watcher- (NP1 Watched Lunatic)
Whiteflame- Haos Saurus- ???
Polygot- ???- Redirector (NP1 Redirected wylted to drleb)
Lunatic
Evilgenius
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@whiteflame
ok ty
going to be pretty busy rest of the day
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@drlebronski
@Evilgenius
Please claim when you get on
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@whiteflame
The fact that Luna is still alive after the first NP should give us pause because he is so often the target of the first or second NK, though that's certainly not confirmation of anything, and much as Wylted is behaving as he would as town, I'd say that that also characterized his play in the last game where he was scum.
TBH you saying this so often in games I think is likely to change that happening for precisely the reason of mafia wanting to set me up for a sort of wifom mislynch at some point in the game. And I have to be honest, me living when you say this so often would normally make me wonder in the back of my head if me not dying has something to do with you being scum and making a big brain play lol. I don't think that's the case here for something I will explain shortly.
Anyways while I suppose this is technically a compliment that you think I would die because of my gameplay, I think there is a lot of benefit to night kill analysis. Notice scum didn't kill me in the last game, most likely because niether supa or wylted were anywhere on my scum reads, in fact they were probably my two towniest reads. So I think it's suffice to say that me not being dead dp1 could be an indicator that my dp1 reads in this game were also pretty off base. The only two real scum reads I had were supa and poly, we know supa is town, so I would say from my shoes that looks pretty good for poly as well.
Another interesting thing about the night kill is that oromagi was killed after there was public speculation from you about him being a beloved princess. His role was basically that exactly, but a more buffed version. So that tells town two very good things.
1. The thing about whiteflame I mentioned earlier: Unless this is some crazy big brain mastermind move from whiteflame it makes almost 0 sense for whiteflame to have killed oromagi when he pretty much guessed his role was beloved princess.
2. The scum team is probably either two noobs, or in the off chance it is a vet who killed oro, someone who just had a really big brain fart. Why would they have killed oro after public speculation about him being a role that punishes scum for killing it? Either scum was calling the bluff for some reason, or more likely it was two noobs.
So I actually think pressuring drleb and evil isn't a bad way to go here, also I agree with whiteflame that their activity has been subpar so there is equal benefit in hearing their claims.
vtl evil
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I actually got to hammer now any way. Sorry supa. Hope your not a PR. Last hour of work is getting crazy and wont have a chance at the computer the rest of the day
vtl supa
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@Vader
Last chance to get on and claim mate. I'll hold the hammer for another hour then I leave work and probably won't have a chance to get on again tonight.
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@whiteflame
First, it would get people thinking about the soft claim that Oro gave in his first post. Seems like very few people were paying attention to that, which is especially odd when it was the first post to include the wincon that became the subject of some discussion during this DP, but it's also the only soft claim I've seen so far, and I think it's just generally a bad idea to ignore those entirely when they come up unless revealing those roles is outright damaging to town.
tbh I am not usually sure what to make of of his soft claims. He usually reveals what they meant at some point, but I've overanalyzed it one time in drafters "BAMF" mafia gameonce and ended up mislynching him, so usually I just kind of ignore them. And I don't even fvck with IWWTT plays anymore, it's well known that mods like to cahnge those up to avoid game breaking analysis. It's frankly not a line of logic I prefer to use to solve games, and many people consider it to be kind of a cheap lne of logic. It's the type of thing mikal always pursues religously, but never takes ownership for when he is wrong about it. You've seen plenty of examples of that yourself I am sure.
Second, if he had been revealed to have claimed the Beloved Princess, I think that would have been valuable information for town. It's a common fake claim made by scum for the obvious reason that it deters lynches, which has been an issue before. Bringing attention to what I thought was one of the more suspicious elements of the posts made so far in this DP seemed reasonable to me, especially since the only thing we stood to lose was making Oro remain a nebulous target for an NK by scum. That doesn't seem like a particularly damaging loss to me, nor does eliminating Beloved Princess as his claim do any harm.
Fair enough I suppose I kind of figured this was your motive myself which is why I didn't feel the need to pressure you for it.
Third, I don't really see how my decision here is scummy. The much more obvious move for me if I was scum would be to discuss this with my scum partner in chat, not to openly ask Oro, especially when he had the option to straight up lie or just refuse to answer. As scum, why would I draw attention to a role like this openly? Why not just nix Oro from the potential NK targets and be done with it? And if I was just interested in determining what Oro's role is, then my lack of follow-up with alternate options seems odd as well, especially given Oro's initially encouraging response to my interpretation of his soft claim. I can understand seeing my choice as not particularly beneficial to town, but it's certainly not anti-town or scummy in any way I can parse out. Maybe this is just me going through the WIFOM scenarios, but if I was scum, I think I'd do a better job than this.
TBH this part kind of feels over-explainy for a simple question bordering the line of "Over-defensive". I am not neccesarily suspicious of it because I know you like to give detailed explanations, but a lot of this kind of jumps into the WIFOM territory unneccarily. I mean I take all WIFOM with a grain of salt, but I don't think anyone really thinks you were role fishing, though oro implied some suspicion over it.
Anyways moving on from this, ay end of day phase thoughts about our progression? TBH I know the case on supa isn't strong but I would like to achieve a lynch this day phase regardless. Not sure we have the time to get a lynch off on anyone else, and the only other options seem to be lateral moves like lynching evil or bron for inactivity and lack of usefulness, which I don't really want to do largely for reasons explained in dp1 of the last game. You okay with the supa lynch today?
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according to the OP it looks like we have about 3 hours but we should hear it from pie.
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@ILikePie5
unvote. What's the time limit?
I'll try to re-vote before day phase expires.
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@drlebronski
I wouldn't really say pretended, it was obvious he wasn't 13. He made a joke the mods thought were innapropriate towards a person trying to see if they would take the bait and expose themselves as a predator. Out of context it sounds were than it actually was.
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@Wylted
the point is that coppa is about collecting data from 12 yesr olds to sell to 3rd parties or to use for your marketing. This site doesn't do that to anybody. So the law doesn't apply here unless you interpret the law like a retard would. Also the mods are being retards if they have interpreted the law that way. More importantly, they are retards for thinking that internet police are going to come to their doors and arrest them if a Russian debate site let's 12 year olds debate
This 100%
I made this argument months ago when they brought up coppa in regards to you pretending to be a 13 year old, pretty sure my comment didn't get a response.
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@whiteflame
Since oro won't ask you the question I will. Why did you publicly guess at oromagi's role? What benefit did you think it would achieve?
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@oromagi
which he has done in the past, right?
Not in any game of pie's I have played in before no. However, as I was looking into his last few endgames to prove my point, I see that he actually did give mafia a full fake claim with a description, character and role in ancient roman battles. So maybe grey isn't as town confirmed as I initially thought.
I don't believe that GP checks in with teammates before acting. GP has never demonstrated much capacity for team player. GP always full claims first post of the game, no SCUM team is going to prevent that and they'd be suicidal to try to defend him. Whether the SCUM team was OK with it is not knowable to me.
I'll concede the bolded part. However the last game I hosted where GP was scum I feel like I remember him asking mhis partners for advice. I can't remember whether that was a live mafia game in discord or in the forums and probably don't have the evidence to back that up, but I don't think GP acts without permission from his scum buddies. And his excuse for copy pasting the role makes sense if he genuinely wanted to get mod killed because he didn't sign up for the game. That said I am not as convinced he is surefire town anymore after seeing the role PM from ancient roman battles. That and with your argument about mafia probably letting him use it right away, I'll just go ahead and concede the "Grey is confirmed town" point entirely. He's a complete null for me at this point.
Naw, I just said, "that's rather sus, let's see who else thinks so," and went to bed. I definitely think Whiteflame is more sus than Supa.
Supa may have already been lynched at this point, not sure what the vote count is. But there isn't an active case against whiteflame, and we probably need one if we are going to lynch him. If I am willing to concede argumentatively that greyparrot's affiliation is null, I can't say I see whiteflame as being particularly more than null either based on what we've seen.
The thing is you aren't wrong that maybe his motive in guessing at BP could have been scum motivated, I just think your method of not pursuing that with him with questions and instead spending your time to ask others why they aren't lynching him over someone else, isn't really a convincing strategy if you are trying to pursue a lynch on someone you think is scum.
I'm still shocked- you are supposed to play tougher than that.
I explained why I did it at the time, but to re-iterate, I wasn't just claiming cop for shits and giggles. As Town I am usually dead dp1 anyway, so I figure I wouldn't have got a succesful cop result anyway. I was also sussing someone who actually turned out to be scum, so I likely would have been killed anyway. But the main reason I did it was because I needed to the credibility to prove pie was scum (he was), and honestly the pokemon thing was a strong indicator he was scum (frustratingly by your own friggin logic from earlier about being skeptical of not having many pokemon claims) so if I was getting a 1 for 1 with mafia out of a claim, whne I likely would have died np1 anyway, that's an amazing trade. I still am baffled you guys didn't lynch pie there, but I let it go since you guys got him the next phase. Shouldn't really have been much deliberation about it though after I flipped... hindsight is 20/20 though.
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@oromagi
IF you think you have a lead with whiteflame, you should pressure him and try to pursue it. You will probably get better answers from the man himself than me. If his answers seem scummier than supas lynch on GP and we have the time we can switch the lynch trains, I just don't think I have seen enough from him to convince me he is scum, and I agreed with some oof his logic from earlier in the day phase in regard to his argument with supa.
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@oromagi
I won't say GP is more likely TOWN for posting his PM, just that I believe it is a cut & paste from PIe. ASCETIC is only useful as a SCUM role.
The only way this doesn't make him "more likely town" is if you believe that pie gave them a full role and pm with a description, and the other mafia not only signed off on him using it like that in the first few minutes of the game going up, but didn't even try defending him and was just okay to let him roll with it.
Nothing. I don't always convey all of my emotions and thoughts in each note I post which means other players sometimes have difficulty gauging when I am suspicious. I am mostly suspicious of everybody DP1.
Fair enough, just thought it was wierd that you seem to want him lynched over supa but didn't mention anything about it when you were already aware of it until supa was being lynched. Guess it kind of looks like a diversion but I am not going to over analyze it for now.
You guessed I was Misty because linked to Sarah Vaughan singing "Misty." Good guess.
Your soft claimed mentioned her twice I believe and Misty is kind of an uncommon name, and when I think of Misty I think of pokemon first based on childhood memories of pokemon.
No. I would have said he was close but wrong.
Not really any harm then.
All whiteflame's. If you are town and you suspect somebody is a COP because they keep posting "50" should you ask him if he's a COP or should you use that info to WATCH and DOC him?
I mean I was trying to hint to you strongly in the pokemon game that my role PM indicated that pie was town, and you kept asking me "how and why" and when I finally revealed I was cop you acted shocked about why I revealed... I don't think townie logic is thinking about how they look when they are asking these questions is my point. You weren't thinking "Lunatic will suspect me if I ask him to reveal" you were probably suspicious of me if you were asking those things. I can't speak to whiteflame's motivations, but I do think asking someone if they are a beloved princess isn't the same as your above example about asking them with a cop. I guess it's kind of null. We should probably hear whiteflame's answer here, I am not going to defend him, all this is just to explain why I don't read it as scummier than supa pushing a lynch on someone who I think should be clearly town, for rather sub par reasoning.
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@oromagi
whiteflame tried to out the BELOVED PRINCESS.... what did Supa do to earn your vote?
Supa voted to lynch GP very oppertunisticly, GP who both you and I seem to agree is more likely town for posting his role PM.
I have no clue what leads whiteflame to believe you are Beloved Princess, but you didn't seem all that suspicious of it before. What changed?
Also I guessed your character in pokemon mafia as town too. I mean if he was right would you have admitted to it? Would that be then his fault or yours? Also guessing at a beloved princess while not neccesarily helpful to town, isn't as scummy as guessing at an investigative or protective role or something like that
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@oromagi
So... whiteflame thinks I am BELOVED PRINCESS as decides to start a conversation about it. Isn't that the scummiest move we've seen this game? Why would any TOWN member want to expose a BELOVED PRINCESS?
You didn't seem suspicious in post 81 whne you responded to him about it.
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@oromagi
I see 4 votes on Supa without a single reason given. Rubs me the wrong way is not a reason. How many scum are in this game anyway?
I would sympathize with you about this more if it was earlier in the phase, but we are near to the end, so I am not really looking for detailed reasons, just would rather not see the day phase end in a no lynch. Supa should have plenty of time to get on and respond to the pressure.
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@Polyglot
All I said in regards to GP is ... As far as grayparrots actions, can’t really say he is town confirmed. We don’t know what information was given in the PM’s or if Whiteflame really asked or not. (Post 47)Wasn’t really sussing him her, just stating that we can’t complete disregard him and say he’s town. I was implying that I’m mainly null in terms of GP.Then after Oromagi pointed out that GP didn’t post his Wincon, I placed GP as town lead, noticing that I also didn’t have a wincon tied to my role.So I don’t see where you are getting that I am sussing him.
Well that's why I am voting supa instead of you. Supa went as far as to actually vote the guy. I am just suspicious of you postering around GP not being town confirmed. I am with whiteflame that wylted kind of gets a pass here because it's something I'd expect of him. No offense to wylted or anything.
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@whiteflame
We still have a little over 6 hours, and I'd personally prefer to get his claim and assess it before someone hammers.UnvoteI'll guarantee my vote for now, assuming that his claim doesn't change anything substantially, and VTL at least a couple of hours before the deadline.
I am fine with people wanting to wait for a supa claim, as long as they can get on to prevent a no lynch before expiry, sounds like you will be around
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@Vader
Supa, if you have a claim that you think will save you, now is the time to claim it or never. We running out of time.
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Let's lynch supa guys. Phase is expiring soon.
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@drlebronski
wylted is kinda leaning scum for me because last game he tried lynching me for stupid reasons now hes going after gp
You are a living and breathing example of "OMGUS" in absolutely every gaem you have played.
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@Evilgenius
Catching up real quick, been busy at work.
Did you catch up? Thoughts on supa / poly?
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@Wylted
I still think we should lynch GP for the self vote
Do you honestly think he is scum? Policy lynching never works here, it didn't work with evil last game when pie pushed for his policy lynch all day phase 1 either.
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Not much to analyze.
- GP's claim read like a Pie written ROLE
- "Gentlemen, Sorrow, Anger," is one obv auto correct.
- The character name Fourtress may also have been corrected to Fortress
- So, we're meant to believe that GP cut & pastea the DP except for wincon. Why leave off wincon if you are demonstrating idgaf?
- In terms of gameplay, ASCETIC essentially plays like MILLER- conveniently untestable.
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vtl supadudz, convoluted reasons/oppertunistic reasons for voting. I would go as far as to say GP is confirmed town here. Even with knowledge that pie gives fake claims. It's too much of a stretch to think he just copy/pasted his whole role pm or that he made that role up. GP is too lazy for that and clearly wants to die so as not to participate in a game he didn't sign up in. Also pie doesn't just give whole role pms with justifications in his fake claims.... He might give a character, or a role, or maybe if mafia are lucky a character and role but did GP do all that theme research to make that role PM just to not participate in anyway and hope to die? I doubt it. And considering no one else is giving him a pass for this beside me, I doubt if he was mafia his partner sold off on that, unless you assume of course I am his partner blatanly buddying him and waited over 2 days to post in which case he could have been lynched already. This isn't a big brain mafia move here. As far as I am concerned GP is confirmed town, and I find any participation on his lynch scummy.
So far that puts both supa and poly on my radar since poly also mentioned suspecting GP.
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@Vader
I have already sent the PM. Just know if I receive a different answer I will be voting you and I know you will be lynched because of it If you are telling the truth, I'm going to have some real issue with the moderation
How was the fact that he wasn't killed not already evidence that whiteflame was telling the truth lol. Why would he lie about that? The vote on greyparrot seems super oppertunistic.
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@Wylted
What's the motivation to ask in chat? If he is town, it is anti town because it is something that may have went unnoticed by Pie. If he is scum, he gets a free elimination on GP.I Don't see any good reason for asking, especially in a PM instead of publicly and risking a free kill on a town.
I think this is a bit of a stretch tbh. And I think whiteflame as mafia pulling a ruse here would try to make ask public on purpose to flounder him being town by acting as if he didn't already have that information. If he was scum with and presumably so was GP I assume there is no reason to ask privately. Null tell
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Checking in to say I still won't be able to post much til sat-tues
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lmao greyparrot just tried to kill himself and pie let hie live because he doesnt wanna find a 9nth
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Signups are closed. PMs will go out tomorrow
Probably going to be pretty inactive the next 3 days. Should be active saturday
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@Vader
I'll admit, it's mostly screechy anime female characters that drive me nuts. And some of the comedy in anime's is pretty cringe, it's rare when they can nail it. One punch man did a pretty good job of it, but still. But on the other hand anime that is too edgy is kind of cringe too. Attack on titan almost falls into the too edgy category, but I like it because it's not one of those "good guys always win" animes, the main cast of characters is constantly getting shit on. Feels more realistic.
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@Wylted
Attack on titan I Don't know about, but DragonBall Z I think I have no chance of getting into. My 5 year old watches Pokémon and ninjago, so I assume it is something like that, so not enjoyable for me. Oh and he likes mini force X. Not mini force, he throws a fit if I put that on, but mini force X. I assume dragon ball is the same type of show.
Dragon ball z is probably harder to get into as an adult, watched that one mostly as a kid. But yeah if you liked one punch and death note you would probably like attack on titan. It's not a terribly long running anime either, only 3 seasons
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@Vader
you are on a mafia winning streak. Do we gotta start policy lynching you dp1 to end it?
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@ILikePie5
You Bron, Evil, and Wylted on me. One was scum. Not much of an accomplishment. Either way this was towards the end of the DP not beginning lol
I don't understand what you are trying to brag about here. You mislynched evilgenius for one of the stupidest reasons I've ever seen in mafia history. Congrats.
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@Wylted
Why is it always anime. Fucking Asians man. Too many Asians and wannabe Asians on the site.
There are some animes I like, but on the whole many of the anime tropes are kind of annoying.
Death note, berserk, one punch man, attack on titan, and dragon ball z are the only real animes I got into.
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Current Mafia:
Disc - Open setup all vanilla
Signups:
Pie - Bakugan Battle Brawlers
In the Hopper:
Lunatic- Vikings
SupaDudz - Kanye West's Discography
Earth - Internet Culture
I wanted to be skipped on the list but actually this works out because it will give the rest of the player base a 2 game break without having to listen to me and pie banter lol
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@ILikePie5
Then gets mad about it that no one joined him
I had you at l-1. Whiteflame saved you lol
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@Wylted
Nice job abstaining from joining either of those mislynches. I don't see a world where I would have votes for you.
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@ILikePie5
There would be no headache if you just scum hunted lol
Nah there would be no headache if you didn't make retarded ass arguments about policy lynching evil and debating with me about to for 20 pages. This is why we should have lynched you dp1. And I will continue to lynch you every game moving forward. I am going to play just solely to fvck with you because you think you are good at this game and it's kind of hilarious how wrong you are about that.
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Lets prevent this in the future by lynchign pie automatically dp1 every game
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@ILikePie5
He was tunneling me all game for no reason
There was plenty of reason for it, if we lynched you dp1 we would have saved town a massive headache. I am going to continue to vie for your lynch dp1 in every game going forward for this reason.
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@whiteflame
Wylted and Supa. Was actually surprised you gave Supa a pass in this one. Didn't have time to analyze him at the end of the last DP, but my selection would've been between him and Poly.
I did mention that it was scummy of supa to board the evil wagon so late. Wylted wasn't on either of those wagons so thats why he looked good. Poly and leb just seemed scummier, poly for posturing about hammering evil all game then having the gall to omgus me after for hammering evil when I literally saved the game from stalling out another day phase arguing about whether evil was town or scum.
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