Mharman

🤦‍♂️ I’m not even going to bother with this.

Imagine a world where I was a doctor and obtained a cop due to the day one question.

Could I use both roles in one night?

so, you picked watcher and holstered it?

Yeah I’m ok with this.

I think I know who the scum team is if you flip town.

Savant is obvious town if it still needs to be said. I think it’s self-evident at this point.

So, how did you confirm Mozoer again? I’m not sure I caught it if you said it.

Let’s say mafia got the vanillizer last DP. Would a player be told if they were vanillized?

Copy pasted from the Google doc

So first things first. Fuck you mafia. In case I was Janitored, I will reiterate that my game show was “Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.” My role is Millionaire, which is why I am able to leave a last message for everyone. This is who will be currently left since I know I am dead:


Mikal - Jeopardy - ???
Savant - Deal or No Deal - ???
Banana - Fear Factor - Brave Townie
Earth - Survivor - Soldier
Moozer - Who’s Line Is It Anyway - Popular
Austin - Family Feud - Modified Gladiator
Mharman - Price is Right - Gramps

Pie - Who Wants To Be A Millionaire - Millionaire
Whiteflame - Wheel of Fortune - Wheel Spinner (1x Cop, 1x Tracker, 1x Watcher)
Casey - Pre 2000 - ??? - ???
Wylted - The Circle - 1x Catfish

Austin & Moozer cannot both be scum because we know scum have a Janitor, thus Austin is basically confirmed town imo because he has no incentive to claim that he didn’t submit result. We also now know that Banana was telling the truth about visiting Savant because WF flipped Inno. 

With the game being 5-2, we are essentially at pseudo-MYLO because of the risk of the Politician. There is a way to maximize the POE: lynch Earth. It would accomplish 2 things. If Earth is scum, prove that scum indeed got the 1x Politician. If Earth is town, it’ll prove that his investigation into Moozer was also correct. The likelihood of a Godfather or Lawyer is pretty low as well with the 1x being won via trivia or coming if WF was on the lynch of scum.

Also, the fact that Lunatic intervened means we know something. If Moozer/Austin are Town/Town, then scum would win if and only if Earth was scum and had the 1x Politician, which explains the interference from Luna because he messed up. They can’t be scum/scum because they both confirmed their roles. If it was scum/town, then it doesn’t make sense for Lunatic to interfere because it would just be a scum fuck up. I think this basically implies Earth is scum. Basically, it’s bastard for Luna to interfere if it’s scum/town.

I’ll also say that Mharman’s justification stands out to me for a couple of reasons. First, the justification isn’t about the contents of the show. I have a player trying to win a million dollars. Earth has try to be the last one alive in Survivor. Whiteflame has to spin a wheel to get a prize. Gramps has nothing to do with what happens in the show itself. The second issue I have is with the label that it’s the oldest American game show. It’s not, there have been multiple ones older than Price is Right, but they weren’t as successful. There’s also some difference in what he said initially was his justification and when I told him to restate what Luna said as close as possible.

Here’s my issue with Moozer’s claim. Does his even count as a game show? There is no prize to “winning” that show. It’s more of a comedy show. From what I read, the wiki says that the “prize” is that you become the host temporarily. But also Moozer’s justification is wrong cause the host decides the winner arbitrarily. You have to win popularity with the host. It’s basically “fake.” I honestly think that’s the theme. Games that are “fake” or have a “facade” of reality. Circle has contestants that have to be fake since they pretend they’re someone else and even the real contestants have to be fake towards their fellow contestants. The deception piece I think is the split.

That leaves the question though of who is the third scum? I genuinely don’t know. My gut says Banana but there’s the issue of WF seeing Banana visiting Savant which isn’t possible if Moozer is scum. I also dislike how Banana guessed Day Cop. I know for a fact she has never seen that role and combining the flavor with the base role is just odd to me. Which means it could be Earth “fake clearing” Moozer. He clearly got the answer right first, and I was the other person that got it right, which should’ve been obvious DP1. I also was rereading Earth’s post and DP2 Post#373 doesn’t make sense to me at all. Why would scum lose out on the 1x Politician? I genuinely think Earth is the optimal lynch only because it forces the POE at LYLO 3-2 where town have better odds. Plus Earth basically disappeared this DP, which I don’t like either


Mikal could be a scum partner to either. It really depends on his claims. Savant I think is town. No reason for him to shift over to Wylted after being on WF at the end of DP1

Bottomline my optimal lynch order is:

Earth
Banana
Moozer
Mharman
Austin
Savant

Mikal will go somewhere depending on their claims, but I expect big things from Mikal today. 

Anyways, that’s my schpeal. Good luck Town!

So what’s your solve here.

Full claim plus results plz

What?

Austin, I think I’ll use tomorrow to take of the loose ends in this DP.

Mikal, I think the objective funniest scum team is Wylted, Moozer, and Austin.

I might ask a bunch of people a round of questions tomorrow, but honestly…

I’m just gonna enjoy tonight.

I’m sure whatever details need to be fully fleshed out of what is we’re doing, it can be done tomorrow.

Anyway fuck it townread Mikal enough just to trust him. Idc anymore.

What are we doing now?

Btw interrogation starts after the Pacers beat the Knicks tonight

Believe it or not, mafia used to be this crazy with the post counts all time. But that was long ago

Was there a mistake in post 490? I had unvoted prior

The fact that all three of you don’t want to go for it makes me wonder if I’m correct in calling out the potential plan of Austin’s. I guess it’s your job to tell me why that can’t be the case.

If I do decide to trust yall on this in the end, I’m at least going to interrogate Austin and Moozer a bit more this DP.

And yes, I do think whatever you’re planning is still a mistake, based on the fact that I saw it.

It that rests on assumptions on what you think is a good PoE and allows for some extra fuckery to happen later. I think we just take what we have here.

Please, don’t be the dog that goes for the bone in the reflection of the water, and ends up losing the bone already in his mouth.

Tbf, one of you knuckleheads is getting lynched for your mistake today, so Lunatic shouldn’t even be blamed for what happened imo

Sorry man. I know you hate it but town’s gotta do what town’s gotta do

Welp, unfortunately for Lunatic, I think that regardless that we should be certain one scum is between Austin and Moozer.

Ok I found it. I missed it the first time.

That being said, to me it sounds like he’s just casting doubt ‘cause he doesn’t want his game to be cheesed off it.  

Sorry Lunatic. I know you don’t want us thinking about this, but I feel like we kinda have to here.

Where did he do this? I’ll check through his posts again, but I swear I didn’t find anything there.

Does The Circle count as a dating game shows? Sounds like it is.

Honestly, given how similar Wylted’s fake claim was to his actual character, I don’t think he used the fake character claim. I think he just looked for something similar to his own show.

I had an earlier theory that the theme split is dating game shows vs. all else btw. It wouldn’t make sense for a fake claim to be aligned with scum’s side of the theme split.

Granted, my theory might just be wrong because maybe Wylted didn’t make the mistake of having his fake claim be within the theme split, but it’s worth noting.

Also, sorry for raging at you yesterday.

I havent fully thought every path out just yet, but I think if there’s a case to be had on Whiteflame, it’s not gonna be in this discussion.

And going for a Whiteflame lynch over Moozer or Austin feels like a “dog trying to grab the bone in the reflection moment”

We have guaranteed scum among those two and I think the “better poe” we get for lynching Whiteflame could carry some assumptions that might not be true.

Occam’s razor says we just lynch within today’s CC.

But in all seriousness, that was an error that happened under fast and unexpected pressure, so I can buy the idea that you’ve had more time to not make that kind of mistake this game.

Yknow, the best hints on your affiliation are probably found outside of this whole discussion. Starting to think that.

Genuinely wondering if this is town v town and we’re dealing with Austin and Earth, maybe Austin and someone else.

I haven’t even thought about scum teams containing Banana it this point.

But if you ask me, Austin should be our lynch. I just townread Moozer a tad bit more. It sounds crazy given some of the weird things Moozer has said (his response to me about my “baiting him to reveal he’s talking on discord,” the Freudian slip Pie alleged from last DP) but Moozer says weird stuff like that all the time, furthermore, he had the chance to back out of the CC but didn’t.

Still really looks like Austin was setting something up, and I don’t fully buy it comes from a town perspective.

Well for starters he’s not arguing that Wylted used a fake claim that was given. He’s arguing Wylted didn’t use either fake claim. 

It think you see that now.

Honestly that’s only one I can think of. A swear I saw a few more misunderstandings of yours but I don’t see or recall them now. Whatever I guess.

I will say that good chunk of your defense makes sense.

Whiteflame, you are misunderstanding a few of Mikal’s arguments.

Targeted for an NK, even?

* the fake character claim

Can also buy that Wylted’s DID NOT use the fake claim*

So, Whiteflame took his actual role, changed it up a bit, and added the name “wheel spinner” to it in order to make it match the fake character claim?

I can buy that, and I can also buy that Wylted use the fake claim

But this is largely speculative. Why not lynch between Moozer and Austin, the CC we already have?

* unvoted

Vote count? Also, does the previous one in post  490 contain a mistake… seeing as I invited before then?

Both of them had the chance, but for Austin, it already looks like he was faking the CC bait, so I wouldn’t be shocked if he stuck to his guns there when offered a chance out of it.

So I think the argument can only be used in Moozer’s favor.

Yknow, despite a couple of reads of his I think are stupid, the small things like this are a towny sign for Mikal.

Interesting. I wasn’t thinking of wheel spinner like a JOAT. He does get more powerful with more roles as it goes on.

Although it would be different given he needs to meet a condition.

So, I guess the argument is that this has to be Lunatic’s fake role claim

Ok, and that’s why you’re asking if the fake claims are together or separate.

Idk why my vote would be commandeered now, but whatever. Worth testing