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Only 2 kills. Either mafia or Pie got roleblocked, or Pie abstained from using his role
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@Username
yeah not sure what exactly David plans for it, you'll have to tell him your suggestions. unless you mean the practice rounds we're planning
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@ethang5
I agree to an extent, although there is a threshold where the user becomes so unbearable their contributional value doesn't outweigh the sullied user experience of everyone they target with their antics.
In RM's case, I think it was pretty clear he was a net positive force on the site.
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@Theweakeredge
I see, we were thinking of Christmas Break
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@seldiora
OK that's 3 then. Just need at least one more for a 2 v 2 practice round
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@ethang5
I'll admit that despite my beef with RM I was sad to see him go
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One of my favorite music mixes for doing homework/driving
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@David
@Barney
@Speedrace
@seldiora
@Undefeatable
Interested?
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@whiteflame
BP does sound like a lot of fun. I think we'll be doing well if we get 2 more people though
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@whiteflame
only done PF, LD, Big Question, Congress, and Extemp if that even counts.
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@whiteflame
lmaoo I have never done parli, policy or even BP whatever that is. so that would be interesting
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@Danielle
0_o it's a conspiracy!@! Wo men dn't realy exist!!! yu cn't prove theu do!!
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@whiteflame
Oh yeah that's true. Like some mock PF rounds. Would need at least 4 for that
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@whiteflame
awesome. We can pick a topic and maybe do something over Christmas Break, gives some time to prep.
And if other people are interested too I see no reason we couldn't just make a Google/Zoom meet and do some practice rounds as a group.
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If we get enough people interested, could always do a little practice tournament
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Virtuoso/David says he plans on starting a live debate tournament on the site. I think that's a great idea, but I'm very rusty in live debate (as I assume other people are too).
Is anyone down to do some live debate practice at some point? Wouldn't be super competitive obviously, as of course we'd be doing it just to brush up on our skills a bit.
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@Danielle
Thanks!
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OK, look, there is a conversation to be had about investigating why domestic disputes start and what leads up to acts of violence within them. It's also true that in many cases there is verbal and emotional abuse going both ways, slowly escalating until it leads to a crescendo of violence from, typically, the male partner.
Ignoring your comments about women in general, blanketly telling the female victims of the physical domestic violence "it's your fault for being a piece of shit" is indescribably horrible because it destroys any examination of nuance. If the woman is indeed a piece of shit and she instigates, is the man not equally or even more so at fault for resorting to savagery? And in many cases, the woman did not instigate, and they are definitely not pieces of shit. You are telling those victims that they are at fault for a traumatic experience they did not have part in creating.
Truth is, domestic violence happens when someone loses control. While of course there are "fighting words," the person who starts swinging is responsible for their actions just as much as the person who says the "fighting words."
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@Speedrace
At least you're not Bear Hitler
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@Speedrace
You'll have to ask BearMan
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*puts on bear mask*
Hi all! BearMan here, and definitely not someone else pretending to be a Bear, because.... well, that would be weird. Thanks to my incredible Bear management, we've had a fantastic tournament with our very skilled roster of debaters. Unfortunately, though, as with all good things (including my presence on the site), the tournament must come to an end.
MisterChris and SupaDudz talked it out, and it seems that SupaDudz plans on taking a break from debating and has thus forfeited the final round of the tournament. This is unfortunate, but it's about hibernation time for me anyway so I'm ok with it.
Given this decision, here are the final results from the tournament:
Papa Bear: MisterChris
Mama Bear: SupaDudz
Baby Bear: Nikunj_Sanghai
Slightly Deformed Bear: Speedrace, Dr. Franklin
Bear Hitler: Intelligence_06, Seldiora, Crocodile, & Lemming
Please make sure to congratulate each participant for their achievements! Thanks to all who participated!!
Peace.
~ Totally Definitely BearMan.
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@aletheakatharos
Exactly! There's of course exceptions (for ex: abortion, it's either murder or no worse than getting a haircut. There's no real middle ground if we're intellectually honest) but there's a level of nuance to most issues that ideologues refuse to address
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@aletheakatharos
Sounds like both was at play from that definition. Not fun lol. I am still rather conservative but I have chilled out a lot in recent years and typically don't feel bothered by liberal ideology.
That's interesting, you'd expect people who have experienced the worst side of an ideology to sort of pendulum swing to the other extreme, which usually isn't any better... History holds true to that... Good to see you aren't letting yourself be swayed too much in either direction.
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@Theweakeredge
I'm saying they're legit to Zedvector. Don't mean to implicate they aren't nice people.
Although of course, I think at its root their religion is detestable, but religion is one component of many in a person.
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@Danielle
I don't know how to read MisterChris' sudden activity and interest in the game when I have never seen him play before.
Yeah, this is mostly a symptom of school slowing to a crawl recently. I meant to be active in the last game (and if you'll remember I was active in the last few DPs) but the first couple days we blazed through a billion DPs lmao
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@whiteflame
According to Drafter's mafia role list...
"You are the BRIDE. During the twilight phase you may choose another player to propose to. During the following night, the player may "accept" or "reject" the proposal. During the following day phase, if the player accepted, your role and the role of the chosen player will be revealed to the town. If the player did not accept, their rejection will be revealed to the town."
That's powerful af... Do you think it's worth taking the risk and letting her try and confirm it?
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@whiteflame
Unvote.
Bride is a powerful role. Does That1's claim add up? If so we can confirm it.
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OK Drafter HAS to have some special role that prevents his lynch.
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@Danielle
Otherwise, it indicates we're on the right track with getting character claims and going off of those + behavioral reads.
Although admittedly, there's really not much else to do even if she flips town. Just means we should lean more on the behavioral side of things I suppose
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@Danielle
Shouldn't you have an idea about that based on your own character + justification? o_O
My justification is good but not out of the park, which seems to be consistent with other townies so far, but who knows honestly.
All I'm saying is that if That1 flipped town instead of scum it would tell us more about how much weight to give people's justifications, as let's admit, hers is pretty crap. Otherwise, it indicates we're on the right track with getting character claims and going off of those + behavioral reads.
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I'm definitely scumreading That1 for the combo of shoddy role justification and sporadic behavior that matches her behavior in Civil War Generals mafia very closely (I should know, I witnessed the mafia end of it)
If she flips town it won't be that big of a blow since she's claimed vanilla. Furthermore, that would be good indication that Supa didn't make the best justifications in this game... So it will let us know how much weight to give crappy justifications in sniffing out scum.
I'm seeing large upsides and not too many downsides, plus we need some PoE.
VTL That1User.
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@zedvictor4
considering I've MET satanists, yeahhhhhh....
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Conservatism (in at least America) promotes the freedom of individuals over the state in terms of economic decisions, favoring a restrained government when it comes to fiscal policy. In a strange contradiction, Conservatism also generally promotes the safety of people over freedom of personal choice, favoring a larger government when it comes to security.. An extreme version of that may be fiscal anarchism and a police state.
What you seem to be a victim of is religious extremism, which is a heck of a lot worse.
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That's not conservativism, that's religious extremism
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I can't comment on That1's justification, because I don't know the character. It does look like the character is the main protagonist though. Unsure of whether Supa would make a protagonist vanilla
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Someone said you had no incentive to do that and I said no actually you had every incentive to do that: cuz it proves your role. Just like it behooved Pie to message me when he was scum messenger in a previous game because it proved his role. It always adds to your credibility when you can do that albeit to different degrees.
A good point by Danielle, but there is still the targeting of Croc to account for. Overall I think the odds are against WP being scum.
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The difference is, I can't be lynched today.
Is this a claim of deathproof, or just Drafter assuming no one could possibly want to lynch him?
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For that matter, and I'll point this out again, if he is scum, that would mean that his scum partner both encouraged him to do this redirect and encouraged him to reveal himself as the person doing the redirection afterward. I understand the first, but I still can't fathom why he'd take the second step as scum, especially when it removes other possible options for roles that could have caused this outcome and implicates WP directly without reason.
This is a good point by WF. Makes a WP and Speed scum team seem pretty unlikely.
Could of course be a blunder by WP, but as Drafter himself said WP has been playing for enough to where we at least know he's not stupid.
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In any game the only reasonable expectation is that people play to their wincon in an optimal matter.
Yeah gotta disagree with Drafter here. We all make mistakes, that's not lynch worthy.
The reason I tend to question why WP used his role has more to deal with the fact that we've been extremely consistent that roleblocking is a net-harm to town in the first few DPs. WP was around for those discussions. His role is basically a roleblocker with a twist
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Soooo thoughts on the WP and Pie thing.
Pie being scum is unlikely but still a possibility. The town vig narrative fits, as otherwise the extra death of Lunatic from the NP is unaccounted for. The only other possibility I see is him being a TP, which I can definitely see, but if he is I'm unsure why he'd want to announce his presence in the way he did.
As for WP... the only way he is scum is if he and Speed are scum together. But that is more likely than I think people are giving credit. Seems pretty obvious to me that if you randomly assign people to redirect actions to, you will probably do more harm than good in the first few day phases. We have to ask why exactly WP thought it was a good idea to even use the role. Perhaps a scum Speed anticipated being targeted by investigative roles and asked for WP to protect him. Pie, of course, would have been an unexpected development.
Despite that, though, I don't scumread them yet. There is the issue of why a scum team would target Croc... Seems pretty stupid from a strat standpoint, but of course you could pull a WIFOM with that issue. Then of course as Speed points out, would he risk attracting such attention to himself? Who knows.
Anyway, I'm only about 9 pages in so far. Fuckkk
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OK drafterman refusing to character claim hits me as scummy asf. Gonna keep reading to see how this pans out
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@whiteflame
I’m a little less convinced that Chika and Rias Gremory are so obvious (the former seems somewhat plausible, the latter less so).
yeah, I'll be honest I know NOTHING about this character or the anime other than what Supa has told me (which is rather vague - she's cheerful and optimistic, serves as comic relief... I think he made a grammar mistake because he said I am "perspective", especially with relationships. Gonna guess he meant "perceptive")
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@Theweakeredge
I'd say generally debaters improve with each debate they take. Sometimes the improvement is negligible, but it's still improvement... and eventually the improvement will be noticeable. If you want an example, just look at my first 3 debates on the site... they make me cringe nowadays. Both in resolution choice and argument structure
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