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@Lunatic
What are your thoughts on other players? Anyone you suspect currently?
For now, Polygot remains in my lean-SCUM category as he formed my mislynch train. However, should he reverse his position given the evidence I've presented, that read could become NULL, especially considering you apparently led a short lived wagon against Supa for much the same reason Poly jumped on me... You may have given him an example to work from.
I want to focus on those who jumped on my wagon without a second thought. There is undoubtedly SCUM in the mix.
I want to focus on those who jumped on my wagon without a second thought. There is undoubtedly SCUM in the mix.
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I'm struggling to see how people (not just Lunatic) consider my post in #88 to be overly "incredulous" or overly indignant. I spent the entirety of the post engaging Poly's arguments directly. I think they are wrong and I think the wagon on me is probably headed by SCUM. In my view it's an obvious mislynch train and I provided good reasons why. It's not even close to Badger's random accusation throwing in the last game. That's a horrible comparison.
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@Lunatic
The reason it is pretty logical to assume that others have similar roles is because 4x deathproof is an oddly specific number and a very high number of deathproof's for a townie to have. Logically is this is a normal game and scum kill you once to find out it doesn't work, they are likely going to assume you are bulletproof or were doctored or something. Initially I just wondered if all the other townies had some crazy powerful roles or something and this was gonna be one of those eyeroll games (still might be and probably is) but with all townies having a permavig the balance makes a lot more sense. However for this role to really balance or work with that idea everyone or most everyone has to have the same role.
That may be true but it still wasn't immediately obvious to me when I was posting back on page 1.
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Fine. Lynch me. It won't do anything other than prove I'm deathproof.
Anyhow, the argument people are making is myopic and stupid. If I were trying to fake claim as SCUM I would put immense care into how I claimed, as I have in literally every game I've played in as SCUM. Isn't the entire premise that I'm "too defensive and worried" about my lynch? The fact I made a typo (and, more than that, I skimmed through the DP, missing details like the fact that everyone in TOWN claimed vig... I mean, shouldn't that indicate me as TOWN, the fact I didn't realize everyone in TOWN was a vig and yet I claimed it?) runs against that premise. Not to mention the making a mountain out of a molehill. Truth is, my making a typo and skimming things has nothing to do with affiliation and has everything to do with the fact I was typing at 1:30 AM after an 8 hour shift.
Moreover, isn't it blatantly obvious that I always considered myself a "x4 deathproof vig" despite typing it as a "x4 vig"?
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"For that reason I'd wager anyone with over x4 deathproofs is SCUM."
It is obvious that I was highly aware of the deathproof thing before anyone called me out on my typo.
TOWN is screwed.
TOWN is screwed.
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@Polyglot
The fact that you are so against your lynch could display scum, because town just wouldn’t die with their deathproof roles.
Please point me to where I've been freaking out over my supposedly impending lynch. And no, the fact I'm arguing with you now does not support your premise. If the lynch is stupid I'm going to say so, whether it's for me or any other person with deathproof abilities. The initial argument for my lynch was a pile of doo doo so I criticized it.
TOWN shouldn't waste their time on shoddy wagons. Only SCUM would want that. TOWN can lynch me but it would be a massive waste of time and energy, not to mention a loss of firepower (remember, SCUM undoubtedly have deathproof roles making my vig ability all the more crucial to TOWN's success). You advocating a lynch on a vig that has offered to confirm their role (should TOWN have the ability) is a SCUM tell in my eyes.
you claimed 4x vig instead of 4x deathproof. You probably skimmed through what everyone was claiming and copied their claims, but copied wrong. Not a good mistake to make as scum
You just told me that I'm evidently worried over my lynch. If that were true, I'd be poring over my statements, ensuring that I made no mistakes. Now you criticize me for acting relatively incautious and committing a typo. You are dismantling your previous argument within this statement.
BTW, if I'm trying to be quick I'm going to CTRL + C and CTRL + V.
Also, claiming there’s a tracker after everyone but you already claimed vigilante/deathproof seems a bit scummy as well.
You claiming I claimed there was a tracker seems scummy.
VTL Polygot. Clearly trying to start a lynch train off of scraps. Looks like a mislynch attempt if I've ever seen one.
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For that reason I'd wager anyone with over x4 deathproofs is SCUM.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
My bet is that everyone is a vig.
I'm wondering if the differentiator between SCUM and TOWN will be the amount of Deathproof's each side has. SCUM either has massive offensive capability or beefier defense for balance....
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OK. Caught up fully now. I'm also a x4 Vig, and I can prove that role if there is a TRACKER by any chance. This game is more wacko than I initially thought. I figured I must be an outlier or something
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I have them as slight town reads based on me knowing town all have screwy roles (Wylted has done a similar setup before) and using that knowledge to evaluate how each player opened up the day. So, same reason that I scum read Chris basically.
You're making a lot of assumptions about the rest of TOWN that I didn't feel comfortable to make (especially given I haven't played a Wylted game before).
Regardless, that portions of TOWN have "screwy roles" does not equate to TOWN's roles having no utility. Hence my statement:
"I say just be cautious about using roles. Only use if you are CONFIDENT in the utility it will bring TOWN."
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Never played with this guy before but he seems to be acting normal, like he got a normal role or something.
Or, hear me out, I'm acting as though I have no idea what roles the rest of TOWN possess, because I don't.
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UnvoteVTL MisterChrisI think roles will be more beneficial for town. Not using it can aid scum more.
If you think this, explain why you are VTLing me, who stated that TOWN should simply be cautious, as opposed to Lunatic, who said TOWN should not use roles at all.
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@Intelligence_06
Probably not, although it may vary by case. If it seems unfair, it probably is.
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@oromagi
I always use this rule for debates I initiate and often exploit failures to make this rule in debates initiated by others. I would have no objection to such a policy although if we are honest, most debaters frequently violate the standard unintentionally. As you are collating arguments for conclusion, new perspectives frequently surface even if we don't format them as arguments.
it's important to make a distinction between expounding on new perspectives surrounding an existing point of contention and the left-field introduction of a new point of contention entirely.
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Having no theme makes this tougher to sniff out SCUM. Although, my knowledge of this theme is pretty... destitute. Hahahahahaa.... I'll take my leave
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I say just be cautious about using roles. Only use if you are CONFIDENT in the utility it will bring TOWN.
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@Lunatic
I saw an article saying something like that. Only rich pc gamers have 3090's lol. They are expensive. mine 1660 does fine no bricking yet.
LOL small world, I have a 1660. I'll give it a go then.
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@Lunatic
No, I just figure if 3090s are burning up then the devs clearly have some kinks to work out before anyone should be playing... then again, it could all just be fearmongering.
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@Lunatic
new world beta only has like 6 days left, so will be playing that a lot in my free time. But will try to make it work and be semi active at least
I'm stoked for the game just kind of worried about the 3090 reports
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@Wylted
you need to ditch your obsession over voting every miller every time. Like I said before, Poly is obv TOWN. Claimed fully immediately and promptly gave justification. SCUM wouldn't have because they had no fake claims. Plus no one here knows very much about this theme. Very simple.
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@ILikePie5
I agree. The problem here is that if we lynch incorrectly Oro could be a scum vote thief and we lose.
I don't think Oro is SCUM. He claimed off the bat and as idiotic as the wincon thing was at least he was trying.
If you guys can confirm Wylted without killing him then that's worth doing though.
If you guys can confirm Wylted without killing him then that's worth doing though.
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Few things...
1. I am so glad I was the NK. Wasted SCUM's time and hopefully helped protect a more important role
1. I am so glad I was the NK. Wasted SCUM's time and hopefully helped protect a more important role
2. Wylted isn't scum. If he were, he wouldn't have tried to derail Earth's lynch in favor of his own. He has been all over the place with claims, yes, but those last few pages read to me like standard Wylted shenanigans.
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I'm pretty PO'd that I didn't check in last night. Earth's lynch was idiotic, what he was saying was PRECISELY CORRECT. Lunatic despises PM/Discord meta analysis. We all had differing wincons. It was literally so obvious that the wincons mean nothing for alignment.
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OK bois I have returned. A lot has happened and I need to catch up.
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Heads up, I have a shift from 4-11 tonight. I'll be checking in before I go to bed tonight. After that I have Sunday and Monday off so I'll be a lot more active then
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@oromagi
I gave mine before but here it is again: "You are affiliated with the town."
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Anyway now that I've caught up and claimed I'm taking a break, my brain is fried
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@oromagi
Not so- Pie pointed out that if he's scum he's probably Roleblocker. So it would confirm Roleblocker aspect but JAILKEEPER (which is far more often town than mere RB)
Fair enough. I'm still not understanding the case on GP though. He claimed early and while he may be acting hard-headed he basically always does.
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@Wylted
it's relatively safe to claim miller if the scum team has no God father.
we've had loads of games with Miller but no godfather, plus you have to account for SCUM having the balls to character claim without ANY prior knowledge.
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@ILikePie5
Why have you not character claimed yet?
Why do you think? I was on like page 5.
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@oromagi
I plan on jailing pie.why would town say this?
At the very least this would role-confirm him.
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Let’s get a character from Chris. It’s the least he can do for his inactivity
It's Chris Leben, whoever that is lol
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Would you be willing to lynch mr chris. We should should start narrowing the pull of lynch targets. Judging by the order of your list that is the most overlap between me and you.
The phrasing here... "Would you be willing to lynch"
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A nice flip-flop from Wylted...
"Whiteflame giving his wincon so fast is to his credit actually so lean town with him."
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my wincon is the same as it was last game: you win with the town.Just saw this. I guess good job oro though you risked fucking it upVTL whiteflame
Another clear SCUM moment from Wylted. Sounds like we each have variations of wincons (mine is "You are affiliated with the town.") to prevent the rabbit hole of PM analysis that Lunatic hates so much. Wylted insta-voting Whiteflame over this just adds to my suspicion that he is SCUM.
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@oromagi
So....if the rest of us DONT have a proper justification, then perhaps the fact that GP has one could be more scummy.
I have one in the sense that the context given points to my role... I don't have a "because of ___, you are ___" though.
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@oromagi
If everybody else's wincon is "You are a town member" then I think we should lynch whiteflame
My wincon is phrased differently.
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@oromagi
Why not? If I'm not confirmed DP3 you already have your lynch.
You are usually more thoughtful than this. If you waited to claim you could've kept info away from SCUM, limiting their ability to claim early on... Also, you could have tried to attract a NK to waste scum's time with a weak role.
It does appear scummy that you would claim this early... if it weren't for the fact there's just so much unknown for the scum team right now I'd be inclined to think you were fake claiming. But, since you claimed so early despite the scum team not being given fake claims, I'm inclined to think you are TOWN, similar to Poly...
It does appear scummy that you would claim this early... if it weren't for the fact there's just so much unknown for the scum team right now I'd be inclined to think you were fake claiming. But, since you claimed so early despite the scum team not being given fake claims, I'm inclined to think you are TOWN, similar to Poly...
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Millers should be a last resort lynch unless we find a better candidate worthy of lynching.
I'm in total agreement with Supa on Poly. Miller has been included so often in DART mafia I'd have a hard time believing scum would be brave enough to immediately claim it + claim a character without having had been provided ANY fake claims according to Lunatic.
As far as I'm concerned this actually speaks to Polygot being TOWN. On the other hand, I'm suspicious of Wylted's response to Poly's claim. Either he didn't think this over at all, or he is gunning for a mislynch.
VTL Wylted.
As far as I'm concerned this actually speaks to Polygot being TOWN. On the other hand, I'm suspicious of Wylted's response to Poly's claim. Either he didn't think this over at all, or he is gunning for a mislynch.
VTL Wylted.
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@Greyparrot
My name is James McSweeney.I am a jail keeper.HI!
Once again I'm going to say it: GP needs to ditch insta-claiming as his meta and we need to be willing to let him change it and not insta-lynch him for it. This hurts TOWN almost every time.
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This DP started while I was on an 8 hour shift yesterday... Holy crap I have a lot to read through
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