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@ILikePie5
Truth is, I didn't know that there were no vanillas in a rolemad game. If I had, I would have claimed earlier.
Anyway, here is the example you asked for:
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3983-memes-of-the-2010s-mafia-endgameHe literally had Supa as Vanilla with a different name. There is a precedence then of having vanilla roles in role madness in Bullish games.
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@ILikePie5
Riddle me this: if I were mafia, why the hell would I out myself as the same thing my "teammate" is and then VOTE FOR HIM? Don't you see how absolutely stupid that would be? Truth is, I'm town. The reason I counterclaimed is because APPARENTLY having vanilla as your role in role-madness is enough to get you insta-lynched around here, and I figured that it was better to tell you guys now instead of lying about it or revealing it down the road to simply get mislynched.
Plus, yknow, there is the fact that I genuinely think Warren is scum. Since it is role madness, I have to be the only vanilla here.
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@ILikePie5
The subversion of including a single Vanilla Townie in a Role Madness game has been done many times over, to the point where claiming to be a Vanilla Townie has been considered self-confirming (if not an outright Town-tell).
Uh huh. Sure.
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@ILikePie5
If you need more detail about my justification, or any other specifics, feel free to ask.
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@ILikePie5
Nah that’s bs. I wouldn’t have played this game if it wasn’t role madness. There’s no way you’re vanilla and neither is Warren.
You're going to ignore the fact it's apparently common practice to stick a vanilla in the role madness game to mess with town??
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@ILikePie5
dude. Somebody with an investigative role can confirm me. I am 100% vanilla, I swear it.
My justification is pretty simple:
I am a Chromebook. Since chromebook are very weak and cheap computers that are sold en masse to students and the like, I am vanilla.
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
We've stated in DP1 that a role madness doesn't have vanilla.
Uhhh... really? Because I'M vanilla.
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@oromagi
I was indecisive to be honest. I was teetering on the edge, and Pie swayed me with the argument that since the day phases have been terribly uneventful it's better to lynch to get information because, lo and behold, the night phase revealed a buttload of nothing. My line of thinking was that, since warren had not been given enough time to show up before a policy lynch, Skittlez was the next best thing. I don't know if I would have stayed on that lynch, but I got busy and before I knew it the day phase had ended. So here we are. Doesn't make much of a difference anyway... (If I were scum, I would have simply hammered warren, btw. His lynch was far ahead of Skittlez)
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@warren42
Oh, where is my hairbrush? Oh where is my hairbrush? Oh, where
Oh, where, oh, where, oh, where, oh, where, oh, where, oh, where, oh
Where oh, where is my hairbrush?
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Danielle was throwing some major shade on Supa & Pie. Either she was eliminated because she was an inconvenience to them, or scum is trying hard to set them up.
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@shadow_712
@BearMan
After some reflection, I think I want to debate Resolved: A public health emergency justifies limiting civil liberties.
BearMan, can you assign us positions?
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@Crocodile
if it were being judged formally, then yeah... but neither was a winner in my book. And in the process of winning, Biden alienated most American voters.
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Anyway here's the list RM asked for:
- Trump's responses often didn't even address the core contention or line of reasoning Biden presented. He just said "nuh uh" and looked like an idiot.
- He didn't give a straight answer to the "do you condemn white supremacy?" bit. I understand why he was mad at that obviously bs question, but at least give a straight answer, and THEN push back on it.
- One word: interrupting. Seriously, wtf?
- He didn't do a very good job refuting Biden on healthcare.
- He spent the whole time going after Biden's son. I'm aware it's a scandal, but I don't see how it relates to the presidency.
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@RationalMadman
Not at all. I'm saying we are good with what we have done right now. There is no benefit in crippling ourselves and acting like the US alone can stop worldwide climate change. Our efforts would be better focused on making sure other countries follow our lead.
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@RationalMadman
Either way around, we have a clime change denier on one side and someone trying to stop it on the other... I side with Biden.
Biden's policy operates under the framework that the United States is not doing enough.
The truth is the opposite: the US has long subjected itself to large amounts of domestic action regarding climate change.
As the AEI states:
“carbon emissions from energy use from the US are the lowest since 1992” and “in 2017, the US had the largest decline in CO2 emissions in the world for the 9th time this century.”
Forbes shows in 2018,
“Over the past decade, the U.S. has decreased annual carbon dioxide emissions by nearly 800 million tons. This is by far the most of any country in the world, and is primarily a result of shifting coal-fired power to natural gas and renewables.”
On the flip side, AEI furthers that “China and India accounted for nearly half (212.2 million tons) of the increase in global carbon emissions (426.4 million tons).” In fact, China alone accounts for more emissions than the EU and the US combined.
In other words, while the US is making efforts to lower emissions domestically through regulation, emissions in other nations such as China have been increasing dramatically. The reason for this underscores the key problem with domestic action regarding climate change: outsourcing of pollution.
Let me explain: when nations like the US implement new regulations on industries to keep their domestic emissions down, these industries simply outsource their production into nations with more lax regulations to keep prices low and profits high. In China, you can hire employees less than a tenth of the price of their average U.S. counterparts, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and China’s air standards are so lax that air pollution is killing 1 million people a year, research from CUHK shows.
The result is fairly obvious: when these jobs and production lines are outsourced to China the gas emissions that come with them are also outsourced. In this way, companies simply bypass domestic regulation and produce even more emissions out of their home country since they no longer have to worry about regulation.
Extensive research has been done on this.
A recent report from Dr. Hasanbeigi concluded that:
“around 25% of global CO2 emissions are embodied in imported goods, thus escaping attribution in the consuming country (the end user) and instead being debited at the producer side. And we clearly see that the proportion of embodied emissions has been growing. Since carbon intensity varies between countries, as new climate policies emerge, the loophole could be widened further. The shifting of air pollution provides a worrying example: despite strong, successful air quality legislation in the U.S. and EU starting in the 1970s, global air pollution in total has continued to grow.”
Thus, it is fairly easy to see why these domestic policies are all-around harmful: they hurt the economy by killing US jobs, while also providing the environment with even more emissions than they would have with simply staying within the US.
So let me ask, what is better? For you to elect the guy that will choke business and cause them to simply outsource their pollution, or to elect the guy that incentivizes innovation, especially in the Green sector. If we don't choke businesses, they will develop Green technology more quickly because, lo and behold, there is more demand for it in the US than in China or India. Consider that Tesla moved from California to Texas to continue developing their GREEN vehicle technology because of California's crippling policy. That is a mini-model of what will happen under a Biden presidency.
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@RationalMadman
@Greyparrot
@Crocodile
Your right-wing brethren are saying Biden didn't endorse the green new deal, now the question is who is lying.
Let's just say that the "Biden plan" is basically the same. Even according to CNN, the only difference is not providing "jobs for every American" and a few other welfare benefits.
Facts First: This needs context. Biden's campaign website does say the resolution is a "crucial framework" for addressing climate change, but his own plan differs in several ways from the GND. In particular, Biden's plan does not include some of the GND's proposed economic actions such as guaranteeing a job for every American.
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It's literally sickening to me that you are using this as an excuse to push your political agenda. "DICTATORSHIP CANCELLED: Trump self-pwns?" What the actual fuck is wrong with you? What if he DOES die? Do you know how disrespectful and insensitive that is? It could literally throw our nation in crisis. And no, Trump wasn't the best president. Yes, it's ironic he got the virus. But also no, he did NOT say COVID wasn't a problem. Seriously, what the fuck.
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Are you relying on townies fucking up? Not lynching doesn’t give us info for thematic analysis tomorrow. You’re literally relying on night roles to even proceed the game cause we all saw how behavior analysis worked today.
I'll give Pie this one. Normally I'd be against a mislynch, but he makes a fair point: literally jack shit has happened.
UNVOTE, VTL Skittlez i guess.
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@RationalMadman
In fact, now that you mention it, I probably will
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@RationalMadman
MisterChris is deluded and brainwashed by right wing propaganda and I will be told this statement is harassment but harassment would be to say that he's a right-wing shill. He isn't, he's just a victim of them.
I hope this comment isn't to imply that I didn't see fault in Trump either. I could make a new, entirely separate list for him.
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A warren lynch makes no sense. And a Skittlez lynch... eh, I think he's town.
I really don't see how a mislynch helps us here.
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@Danielle
Would you be interested in debating it again? I don't have much interest tbh, but I do have a response to some of your points.
We will see. My schoolwork is becoming more intense lately, so I've had to cut down on my debating. Maybe when the debate tournament is finished, though
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@Danielle
I'll read your debate later on. I'm definitely interested and open to your perspective, and I apologize if I've come across as harsh in our brief exchange thus far. I just have such little patience these days.
Nah, you're fine. After enough conversations with people like RM I've gotten used to passive aggressiveness LOL.
Also, not saying the debate won't annoy the heck out of you (it probably will), but I would like to think the case I laid out, however brief and bullet-pointy, is somewhat well-informed
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@Danielle
I understand the criticism of BLM but think most of it is lazy and biased (rooted in not wanting to address the issues at hand, and running with the excuse of BLM being violent despite nasty reactions to all non violent actions by the organization as well).
I understand this argument. In many ways, I agree. If you read the debate more closely, you'll see that my argument is not rooted in BLM being malicious, instead arguing that they are misguided in their underlying principles and belief systems.
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@Danielle
Just gonna throw this here.
You can see my opinion on the matter there. I'm quite exhausted of debating about BLM in the forums at this point.
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@Danielle
Such as what? BLM? Eye roll.
Yes, such as BLM. Eye roll.
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@Danielle
Additionally, talk is fine, but he has shown no motivation to actually enforce law & order in the afflicted communities. That said, it seems I was wrong, so I'm going to edit the original post
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@Danielle
He condemned riots and said there is no place for violence multiple times.
I didn't hear anything like this within the debate. Maybe I missed it, I'm not sure.
Either way, it's heavily ironic for him to say "there is no place for violence" and then endorse organizations that actively increase it.
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@Vader
Also why so heavy on skittlez. 1/11th haven’t claim, and 1/2 haven’t done anything substantiative enough. If anything, skittlez understands the mistake and his blacklash is reasonable. If there’s an investigative role, simple investigate hin if you believe him as scum. There too many cards to vote someone just off a claim
Fair enough. We need more info.
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@skittlez09
a rb if done correctly can literally prevent night kills
Sure, if done correctly. Truth is, there is a low probability of that.
Anyway, I'm not in favor of a lynch of you yet. Just speculating.
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Hmm.. I'm torn. Either way, a lynch of Skittlez wouldn't be a big loss, as RB tends to be more harmful than not...
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@oromagi
but skitz isn't looking at old PM's, he's apparently looking at the PM Bullish gave him and apparently decided to manufacture a wincon when he noticed he had none, assuming that like most games, TOWN would have some standard wincon. This is a fairly classic scum slip and (combined with role claim) the odds that skitz is SCUM is much higher than we usually get in DP1.
For once... I really agree with this scum read. He had to have been reading his PM to paraphrase it, unless he created a new one from scratch (something a scum would do, obviously.)
The question is, why would he claim day 1 as scum?
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@oromagi
If That1 doesn't show, she's the obvious candidate.
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@Vader
I'm just trying to start some conversation. We have already narrowed down on some of the possibilities... the most obvious theme splits won't be any help. We know that now. We didn't before. Guess what? That's helpful information.
Also, I don't see any other activity in the town, do you? We may not be able to identify theme split, but this is a hell of a lot better than nothing. If you don't like it, you could always bring something new to the table.
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@BearMan
could be, but that's a bit subjective isn't it?
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@shadow_712
Thanks, I'll get back to you on which one I want to debate.
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@Intelligence_06
Well, keep in mind, my list is by no means exhaustive. There all kinds of other splits to make...
Like "relies on Wi-Fi" vs "does not rely on Wi-Fi"
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
That's basically where I'm at. Totally agree.
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