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@Titanium
I didn't know you were into heavy Metal. ironically that;\' my name Bro. So sip on straight Chloaine.
It's not heavy metal, it's poetry. Progression was rock, punk, metal, rap... then everything. Rock and metal will always hold number one spot though... so i'll gladly take that sip.
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@Titanium
Lol no... i think it's quite possible if i was a girl i'd want to bang him too.I'm sorry, were you describing somethng further?
But i wanted to bang the girl on this album cover for quite some time myself.
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@Titanium
I would listen to this in the dark attempting to do witchcraft when i was 12/13... The coolest thing i found out when i was in college was that i was an INFJ on the Briggs personality test... and guess who else is ^_^
MM was my god when i was in my teens... but since i was a drummer... Cradle of filth kind of took me senior year. It's actually a pretty crazy story how it happened. But the first song i heard from them was this:
Scared me at first... but my friend gave me the CD and said give it a chance. I was sitting in my car and as the CD was progressing it started raining, then pouring by the time the song kicked in and i was in love. I don't know how you do with the screaming but you can possibly appreciate how the CD starts into the song during a sudden rain storm.
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@Titanium
No. I like every single one of their songs you've put up. I've gone through a bit of them... there are some i don't like, but i'm always surprised of a genre when there is a lot i do like.Does that imply you did not like the third?
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@Titanium
What's your favorite anime?
I've basically watched every anime they've uploaded onto Netflix. I've been given it a rest for a little while bc i've seen a lot of anime till now. I've seen some off netflix on t.v. when i was younger... dragon ball, gundam wing, and outlaw star. And i've seen some on Hulu now too. I need to get an anime subscription bc i really want to watch Naruto... but Netflix only has the beginning and i hate starting to watch them if i can't see everyone. I went from A through like M (i would skip the long ones though) on a free anime site... but those sites are overrun by adds now so they're annoying. KissAnime was good when no one knew about it.
My favorite is kinda hard to pick. Soul Eater always comes to mind first as number 1. But all these are a close second: Bleach, Outlaw Star, Cowboy Bebop, Hellsing, Blood+, and i'm sure i'm forgetting some really good ones... oh, Fullmetal Alchemist and a really cool Zombie one was Highschool of the Dead. I can think of some other ones but i forget their names, like the one they download into a video game... i've seriously watched too many. I like the fantasy / action genres the most. But there are some others like Elfin Lies i enjoyed that weren't that genre.
That's why i've listened to the Ramirez - Grey Gods song 100 times since you've shown me... the Hellsing clips makes it so much better. Hey, if nightcore can use just anime pictures to get huge... i think it's smart they use anime fight scenes. I'm just glad i'm not the only anime nerd in the world. Who knows... maybe at my age i am... but fck haters, it's too good.
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@Fallaneze
Okay, so i think there is enough evidence to at least suspect there is a transcendent reality (dimensions beyond ours). Ask me to define anything you want by the way. I'll try my best to be aware of defining what i define differently. For instance when i say i believe... i mean i think this outcome is the most probable over others that i've heard. I'm not particularly iron clad on it, but i'm confident it's one that makes sense.
I believe in an infinite consciousness. Now, i'm in no way smart when it comes to science... i'm quite ignorant overall, but i listen to scientists and pay attention to what they say. I think there are some things that what we know scientifically that make sense in such a platform. For instance, everything observable in our universe is made of one thing. I say observable bc there are things like dark matter, energy, etc. But since we don't know what those are, i'll stick to the observable. Then there is the wave function i've heard when particles are measured would fit in a source platform and also quantum entanglement also fits. Another interesting one is infinite regress paradox. Now i might not be getting this one right, or any of these so correct me, but it's a paradox bc it's thinking in linear time. How can we get to our big bang if there are infinite big bangs before it. However, if you add the source to this, there is no paradox. Bc this sort of mind would not travel linear... if the source is a platform that is infinitely everything, and can manifest as finite corporeal experiences, then it can manifest in any reality instantaneously. There could be infinite realities playing out but all that matters is a choice to be in "x" reality and you're there.
For now those are some interesting things i've heard scientists talk about that i can correlate to such a platform. There are also other things in humans/our reality that can correlate to this platform, but i'm interested to get passed this part first (to see if some of our science can point towards a platform). But like i said, i'm ignorant of science so please correct me wherever i'm wrong if i am.
I'll shortly explain the source through an analogy i've heard, but ask me if you have further questions. So, everything is this source. It's like if you imagine everything was infinite sand. Everything exists in this sand. What we are is correlative to a sandcastle. But once that sandcastle collapses, it becomes one with the infinite sand again. It doesn't mean it's gone, it's just becomes everything again. So the source "god" is everything. It is no one thing, or person... it's like an infinite unbound incorporeal mind. It knows all stories, endings, people, universes, everything basically. It gets more complicated once i add in who we are to this source, but that's the sum of what i think the source platform is.
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@Greyparrot
You're probably right. I could really care less about this guy, so i didn't follow it at all except for the beginning and what happened. I don't know what state this happened in... if it's CA... you usually get off on your first offense with a plea deal if you give DNA and some other punishment like community service or classes or both. Depending on the seriousness of the offense and usually if they think you'll repeat offend... so, i don't know what happened here to give him the lighter sentence and not the max. The courts aren't always easy to understand why they made a decision. I really do think they factored in the "gay actor in prison" thing... he would have to have extra protection which means more money to keep him in prison... so i don't know.He won't apologize to the Chicago PD, or anyone else. He will do it again.
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@mustardness
I don't think he believes it... i'm not sure. I got the impression he thinks it lacks evidence from reading this thread.Creator is incorrect. You and him both reference an inferred cosmic "source" ergo a "creator".
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@mustardness
"prime, eternal consciousness and creator of the universe."
That was in his response to Merlin... and i saw it in a couple other responses.
What i'm willing to discuss with him is everything up to the "creator of the universe" ... i would have to see how he defines that.
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@mustardness
I see his definition... i just want to make sure he agrees with what type of "god" i'm willing to go over. I personally think this platform has the best story / hypothesis... and all science starts with a story.
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@Castin
It was likely his first offense. The law is usually lenient on you for certain offenses if it's your first offense. The judge / prosecutor evaluate this when making a deal. The questions they ask... or a main question is will this person repeat breaking the law. I think it's fair to say Smollet learned a big lesson and it's fair enough to say he is probably not the repeat offender type. They of course still punished him as you said, and i'm sure the prospect of going to prison scared the hell out of him... a gay person in prison is really not good. Read / watch prison stories of what happens to them. This channel is interesting if you are curious of such things...
So... putting him in prison with the prospect that he will really be hurt is considered. I personally think he made a huge mistake, but i feel he learned his lesson and won't repeat offend. I think that's the conclusion the courts made too. He is really lucky... he's not only a celebrity, but he is clear that he's gay... that's almost a death sentence in prison. I'm happy he didn't have to get that. I think that should be for the worst criminals... not a desperate gay guy trying to get more views. He messed up, and i hope the prospect of the horrors scared him... and he won't mess up again.
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@Fallaneze
Can i change your definition of god to something more like a non-dual, oneness, pantheism type god? These platforms basically imply everything is a manifestation of an infinite consciousness. So, it's a platform and not a entity or person... it's not a "who" but a source of everything. Although i wouldn't call it "god," does this work enough as a god in your view?
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@mustardness
Tell me what you believe in a paragraph without bullet points and character signs and i will respond accordingly. I've already gone down the route of understanding what you mean in your "cosmic trinity" ... but it says nothing about your belief, at least clearly enough. I don't feel like going through your CT meanings again. Just simply tell me what you believe in paragraphs so i can understand where you are coming from and i'll respond accordingly. It's a simple question... do humans transcend death? If so, in what way? If the answer to the first question is no... just say so. I respectively disagree that's the only possibility. I don't mind giving my reasons again... but, first i need to know where you are coming from.
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@Castin
But here is why i think this "then what" question is so novel and clearly shows how man-made religion is. The idea of paradise they made up was within their own community. Everyone agreed that eternal happiness in the presence of their god and lost family is heaven. So, that's what made it to their belief in text. Heaven is this...My guess is that the point of paradise is happiness, and lack of want or pain.
However, they didn't consider everyone. I personally think a world that lacks the negatives is not heaven. I prefer heaven or paradise to be a reality were their is pain, suffering and struggle. Of course, happiness as well. But i prefer a reality i work for my happiness and most importantly, a reality that once i've experienced it enough... i can die and either start over as something else or transcend to an entire different reality. That is what i would consider to be paradise.
No Christian, to date... has been able to answer this "then what" question bc they are under the impression everyone agrees that their definition of heaven is paradise... But that's simply not the case. This is one of the main points that started my path of seeing religion is man made.
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@mustardness
I've told you my reasons in another thread. You are welcome to critique them. I have no idea, nor do i remember what this thread was about. If you are saying i'm defining it incorrectly, i would say not really. I'm defining spirit exactly as you are in your first example but i am asserting it is transcendent. I laid out my reasons as clearly as i could in another thread. Again, i have no problem in ignoring your responses if you are going to act like i'm a child. But i truly would like to have a conversation... if you are incapable of having a conversation, don't be surprised i don't answer.
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@secularmerlin
I can concede all of my experience don't necessarily point towards one definitive thing, answer or platform. However, the way they've progressed through my experiencing them throughout my life and the consistency in the details they cover gives me enough clues to at the very least suspect some things... and that's "if" i am saying they are somehow transcendent. If they are, i've had a lot of experiences where i have predicted or felt death before it's happened... or felt it after it just happened without knowledge of the person that died. Since these deaths are very personal... i won't share these experience except to tell you i've had this kind of experience too.Going from I saw a pendant spinning once to I don't believe in death is quite a leap. How do you justify this leap given the actual evidence?
So, one conclusion that can be drawn... if we're going the "supernatural" route, is that maybe there is another dimension after someone dies. They pass over to something that transcends what we can see. Also, predicting it before its happened suggests something like, i don't know, i created myself here so i know what this experience will be. I mean, these are all just clues that i can piece together if i'm going the "maybe it's spiritual" route. Now that's my argument from experience.
Seeing a pendant spinning when no one is there spinning it suggest at the very least something i cannot see that is there and it can answer commands. Again, this is if we are going the supernatural route. This one doesn't really answer the question of "death" ... bc it can simply be entities that we can't see but we aren't a part of.
So, it's more my other experiences that suggest the death thing... but, since they are personal, i don't share those ones. But even in the one's i've shared... one explanation is something on the lines of aliens that are in an extra dimension we can't see that can interact with this world. One other explanation would be it's people that have died that are interacting with this world. This is primarily why i'm agnostic. There are so many things it can be.
In the end of the day, i'll admit some experience do influence my 'death isn't an end' view. But in addition to that, it's a lot of other people's experiences i've heard that contribute to it too. Not only that (although my opinion is it's probable), just some reasoning and logic should at the very least show it's not impossible.
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@disgusted
Why would anyone think anything else except to pacify their fear of death? What has anyone seen or experienced that would suggest otherwise.
I don't fear death whatever it may be... i would say the belief i have would just be my most preferred outcome. Whatever the outcome is... i have a bring it mentality, even if that mentality isn't realized, it's realized while i'm alive. And "what has anyone seen or experienced" well... that's too complicated to answer since i don't know everyone. For myself, i have enough experiences to suggest i 'may' be right... but who knows.
If your belief is a choice then it's not a belief, it's a method of pacification.
Now we're just playing semantics. I choose to believe in what i would consider to be the most preferable outcome. That's really all it is. "Believe" in this sense means i am choosing one over the others more so. So, yes, there is one outcome i prefer over all other outcomes... that doesn't mean i don't believe the other outcomes aren't possible. But, I just know my preferred outcome isn't impossible... and not by faith either, by examining, thinking, reasoning, and some experiences mixed in with it... i am, lets say.. optimistic i may be right about "my" outcome.
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@Stephen
I am damn sure I could find a post - or part of one - where you mock-praise islam or mohammed.Go on the, lets see one. But be sure not to be confusing the words "mock" with criticising as in - Stephen has criticized the New Testament and Christianity far far more than he has Islam.
Wrong person dude ^_^
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@disgusted
If death means an end... becoming nothingness, you are right, i believe that version less than the alternatives. At least for me. My spiritual beliefs get tricky. If one truly thinks they die and are gone forever... maybe that exists too (i don't know). So, technically i believe both. But for myself, personally, you are right i don't believe in your definition of death. I choose to believe my definition is correct.You don't believe in death.
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@Stephen
I agree with you that you flipped the corporations and politicians. It does seem the other way around and i was about to say that. But, i semi-understand this part. It's sad sorta. Bc it seems like the more malleable portion of the population... which coincidentally happens to be the majority... are being fed on by all these people. Politicians feeding them lies, corporations feeding them new stuff, but scientists are, to my knowledge, at least trying to advance us... however, i'm sure they are wolves too. Instead of truly trying to figure out this reality... most scientists are working towards what makes them money. They don't care about things like spirituality bc that doesn't sell or make them money... but robotic eyes or something... you're rich. Although there are minds on this reality... i think the majority are just trying to find the new next big thing to get rich. This world is pure greed.I also said that the scientist of the new millennium will be the demi-gods, and I will stick with that.
So, it just seems to me that the more malleable portion of the population is just being fed on by people more aware. I mean, all it really takes is for you to be able to think for yourself and all of their power dies. Thinking for yourself... you come to realize there are no parties. Thinking for yourself, you realize the new stuff the corporations are giving you just changed the color. Thinking for yourself... you realize scientists don't know jack sht. As smart as they are, they are still infants compared to the time we've been here. But you're right... people take what these people do as gospel without questioning. You can thank evolution for that... societies need the majority to be highly malleable and followers or else nothing would get done.
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@RationalMadman
I take the beat thing back... had to listen a couple times to see how deep this fool is. Pretty fire. You just got me on a YelaWolf marathon. It's almost 11pm and If the neighbors call the cops on me, i'm blaming you.
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@RationalMadman
He won me over when he said "i'm a wolf." lol. Now you are talking my style man. That guy is pretty good. The guy wearing a Korn shirt doesn't hurt either. I just wish the beats were a little more intricate like his flowing... but that's about all i can critique. Overall, pretty good.
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@Analgesic.Spectre
It's getting sad how predictable humans are...Yep. All part of the shooter's plan, too.
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@Titanium
Nice. I've heard the last two songs you posted. Both are sick. It's honestly hard to find a song that i don't like in this genre. I think it's really creative and deserves the love it's getting.
Do you like anime by the way?
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@RationalMadman
Yeah, i don't like Avenged Sevenfold as much as my friends did. I liked some songs from AFI more. But i was a drummer... so i was into the craziest metal you can think of. This is all instrumental so the vocals don't kill it for you... But, this is one of the hardest songs i ever learned on the drums... and btw, these guys, at least the drummer, is known as one of the best drummers in the world.
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@RationalMadman
Avenged Sevenfold is a pioneer in their own right. They made the double scream and singing in metal songs popular. They came before bands like Helia... those bands are in part influenced by bands like AS... but there were other bands like Avenged... like AFI. Can't remember them all at the moment.
Actually, this song:
I played for a band where the guitarists helped them right that catchy guitar part... ahh... the fun days.
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@RationalMadman
This didn't start years later. Starts at 1 minute... it's a genius cover.
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@RationalMadman
Marilyn Manson. Okay. How is that standard Metal or close to it?
Never said he was... although some songs have metal elements to them. I was 11 dude... that's 23 years ago. I only had what MTV fed me. And in that sense, breaking the mainstream with his style, Marilyn Manson is a genius. He ripped pages out of the Bible at an award show for heaven's sake... i think MTV awards, can't remember... do you know how G that is at that time?
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@RationalMadman
Good for you... I get the same thing from the music i listen to. Exactly.Mumble rap is even more shallow and blatant in what it propagates. It's not to say that lyrical rap isn't vicious, it's to say it doesn't dumb you down but encourages strategy, patience, discipline and intellect like there are in tbe lyrics and songs, to be the way to go about life.
Here true story time
This song came out in 1995. I was 11 years old. Before i heard this song, i couldn't sleep in my room alone, i couldn't sleep in the dark, i couldn't go to dark places, bc i was deathly afraid. The first time i heard / saw this song... my mind just switched off and i was mesmerized in how beautiful darkness can be. After that i would listen to this song in the dark to put me to sleep. I would say that is a way to go about life... maybe darker than you're thinking... but that doesn't make you better bc you like the light stuff. In a way, i bet it makes you weaker if you can't come to terms with fear. Not saying you haven't... i hope you have. It feels great walking through life unafraid.
Moral of the story, i don't see the music as satanic, i don't see it as dark, horror or whatever. I see it as art that is helping a human, somewhere, become unafraid of the dark.
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@RationalMadman
If i debate, i'll win some and i'll lose some... i don't care about that. I just think formal debates are worthless. You are debating me right now. Why not continue to do it that way without wanting a vote / a win to validate you... are my words making you feel like you need that validation? Bc i don't. I'm confident in what i'm saying.Nonsense. This is completely defeatist attitude. Why sign up to a debate site for this then?
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@RationalMadman
I would bet if you ask the majority of the bands i listen to if they are satanic they would say, no... I don't even know any satanic bands. But i do know bands that say things like "Christ you bastard" or "If i were god everyone dies." Sure... that's pretty badass. Giving a finger to an institution that has indoctrinated millions of people into stupidity. I like bands that give middle fingers to that... if you call that satanic, i would see it as ignorance.Yes, but I'd expect nothing less from someone who adores Satanic music.
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@RationalMadman
I don't want to bang my head hard as shit against a wall and get whiplash even if I don't hit a wall. That's why metal and dirty rap like that isn't my kind of thing. I don't understand what the fuck that is but it's not a rap.
It was a figure of speech... obviously i'm not breaking shit. But the music does make me want to move. I would love to see them live and dance my arse off. They definitely can do it. While i'll probably want to dance to one Niki or Cardi song and snooze the rest. That's the difference to me. If it's opposite for you... more power to you man. There's probably more booty at a niki / cardi concert anyways.
Edit: "Why don't you debate me"
I have nothing to prove. Music is a subjective interest. If the majority of voters like Niki...you win... But i bet at least titanium would vote for me lol.
You do know that every single ghostemane-esque video and stuff like what you just posted needs a fucking epilepsy warning right? I hope you feel very guilty if someone views that and has a fit, listening to such trash while having it. It's horrific.
Would you think i'm a horrible human being if that made me laugh?
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@RationalMadman
Dude...start that at 1:34 and tell me that isn't hard as shit... how can you say that's not good? My heads going, i want to break something headbanging, and just get ghetto and dance (please don't imagine). It's hard as Fk.
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@RationalMadman
Highly produced but at least a little tolerable. This song doesn't make me want to move or make any hairs stand it just is.
Horrible beat but Em somehow makes it work... now i would say he's a genius. Nik's part... again, tolerable.
Hey man you know, whatever gets you going you'll like... these just fall flat. Most of her singles i can't listen to bc they are highly produced. I've been a musician for a very long time. I absolutely hate produced music to this level. Bc it's made to appeal to the mass. It does that job perfectly, so i'm not hating on that... i just hate that sound. The way they use majors to give it an up beat... in my opinion to cater to extroverts. That's perfect description... it's extroverted music. So the vast majority is just not going to be music to my ears. But if you like it... well, obviously you're not alone. I just don't like that sound... so, to me, it's no where superior to the likes of Jedi, Swollen, or even these new guys we're showing you. Those guys make me want to get up and dance... i feel like my mind is getting dumber listening to mainstream peeps. Not saying all their stuff is bad, that's just statistically unlikely... but the majority is not good, to me.
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@RationalMadman
Not in my opinion. Just bc the majority like mindless rap doesn't make it good. Show me one good song that doesn't sound like a highly produced sex piece for mindless teens? Something deep... I'm sure she has at least one, right. I can't find one though and i'm trying right now.
I did find one of Cardi's that can be tolerated... but still, it's just missing something like both of them. They just have heavily produced beats with their voice on it. No musical soul in any of their songs... it has none. But this one is okay to listen to as a filler song.
Jedi Mind Tricks is obviously a different animal bc they have soul in their music... that's what makes them good and these other guys, call them mumbles or whatever you want... they got that musical talent.
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@RationalMadman
^ This is how to combine authentic acoustic with rap in a beautiful way.
They are both good. Except for this Cardi B, Nikki bs... that trash music.
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@Titanium
Here, classical music is innately intelligent along with everyone who listens so you're safe to call this great rap:
Damn dude... keep them coming. Another sick song i just saved to my playlist. Finally... someone with good taste!
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@Titanium
My god... i got that shitte on repeat. Freaking sick song.Also, check this shite out:
You know, i think they are brilliant in letting people make AMV's of anime's to their tracks. I didn't like it from the beginning for a second, but the video kept me watching (Hellsing is one of my fav animes). Then that drop came, and so did i ;p
But seriously, i think it's brilliant bc they are getting the youth into watching their videos. And that's where every movement starts. Get the youth to believe in it and it will blow up. I started listening to this stuff when it was fairly new, but now they have a couple million views. And, honestly... it's sick beats and flow. If i had to guess, it has to become bigger... it's just the next evolution. I hope it is, bc i am loving this evolution. There aren't many genres of rap i can just go through and find a bunch of songs i like... but in their genre it's like every 3 videos i like one at the very least. Plus, the kids need a dark genre. When has there ever not been a popular dark genre whether it be Marilyn Manson or Ozzy... there will always be dark genres. But i think the majority can get into the beats and flow too. So it's tricky... will it blow up? I hope so. It's pretty sick.
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@Titanium
Suicide boys are pretty darn good. At least the songs i like. Pouya is good too. I never thought of them as mumble rap. But i'm really liking the horror rap genre... it pumps me up. I think one of the best is Ghostemane:
If you pay attention to the signs in the beginning of the video, those are all known to the metal crowd. So, i get a suspician they are trying to be metal rap too, or at least cater to the metal fans. Here's another cool Ghostemane song.. the way he ends the song is lit too:
These are going to trigger RM though hehe. He hates ghostemane.
Here's a couple suicideboy songs i like (they look so perfect with AMV's too):
I thought this was suicide boys but it's XXXten. One of the best break downs i've heard a rapper do. I love this new style of rap. Call it whatever you want... i listen to metal so mumble rap sounds like a perfect match to that lol
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@Stephen
Not as long as i'm alive. I'll make sure that doesn't happen one way or another... the problem is, the majority of people are so damn malleable. So, you may be right in the end of the day. Let's not forget the demi-god corporations too.I once said some years ago in a university essay that politicians will be the gods of the new millenium.
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@disgusted
I believe i die from this reality/world. Can i come back eons later, maybe. But, coming back or changing the scenery doesn't matter. I believe i will die and get the hell out of here... either that death will be another reality hopefully nothing like this one, or death is just the end of everything... both would be preferable to any "paradise" i can never die.But you don't believe in death.
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@Yassine
within which all their desires & wishes come true.
There is a thing about me, i think being eternal and/or everlasting in one place would be hell. It's mental torment vs. physical hell. But it sounds like to me i can leave to some level, but that's still not clear. I wouldn't want to leave as an angel to just end up on earth... it's a reality like earth that i find to be hell... "IF" i was eternal here. It's a C rate movie as a finite being and i can put up with it bc there is death at the end of the tunnel. So, in the sense of an angel thing, i'd find that to be mental torment as well.
Now you bring up this last point which maybe can fix it all. If that is what happens, i get my desires & wishes, let me anthropomorphize some of what i would consider to be paradise. Now, these can be different and not exactly how creative humans created them to be. I would consider living in a reality where vampires are real, and not only real, i am one of them to be paradise. To explore that reality for a couple thousand years then die. Dying is key in all of these since i won't get the others without it. So then, i would consider another paradise to be something like me 'the joker' ruling the world and giving the hero's an everyday test with someone like Harley Quinn by my side laughing under a dark sky and red moon. Since i'm a good person, i would allow being insane for this role. I would also think a world like Harry Potter would be interesting. Where magic is real and we have an epic battle with the dark lords.
In all seriousness, those are what i consider to be paradise. As you can see, someone like me that see's these paradises... being stuck in one reality, even if i am being fed heroin through the air and i have women as far as my eye can see, being stuck in this one reality would honestly and i'm not joking, be my hell.
So, when you say all of my desires and wishes... now you know what they are. If i become and live as a Muslim; will i get my paradise as i've described?
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@Yassine
- Yes, though eternal =/= everlasting.
Hmm, i'm a bit confused how the two don't correlate. Let me make the question more specific then: When / if i get the paradise, will i ever die again?
Let me define die a little: Death would mean taking you out of that reality. So dying in paradise would mean you are not in paradise anymore. It doesn't however mean that by you dying you didn't go somewhere else. So, the main point in my question above is can you leave paradise.
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@Stephen
Have you researched any Muslim Islamic sources /scholars to find out if this may be the case? And have they agreed that these "ancient texts" have indeed been tampered with and altered and by whom? And have they suggested that these "ancient text" be returned to their original state?
I haven't personally researched it bc already as is i see humans wrote it... so if it was a god, i'd rather search that god myself instead of listen to another human being that's likely corrupted by this world. And, the second question answers the rest... no, none of them, including the other Abrahamic faiths will admit their text may have been corrupted, even a little, by fallible humans. When i look around the world today... the struggle for dominance, the obsession with power, the rapacious desire to be worshiped... i see a perfect picture of who we really are. And, this is in the FKN 21 century. You are telling me somehow these humans were all holy and didn't want all the power power gives you? I know 'you' aren't telling me... that's what i usually say to the religious... but of course the reply god is great and would make sure the Bible, Koran, etc. wouldn't get corrupted. Then my answer usually is... then why is it currently a mess... He failed in at least that regard.
So do millions of the 1.5 billion muslims who believe that it is the "perfect UNALTERABLE word of Allah" and understand "kill" to mean only one thing. How do you interpret the word "kill".
I'm really not kidding i can make everything kind. What does "kill" mean, to eliminate. So, 'kill' doesn't mean take a life... it means try to eliminate, "kill" a person wrong path and bring them to the right path... not literally kill them, but kill their old wrong ways. Lol... i just know i'm also making that up. But the weird part is, all i am doing to interpret it this way is thinking, "what would a objectively and totally good god mean." That's all i'm doing. So, it's funny how so many people aren't good or at least don't even understand what a good god would really means.
No. I think you mean, Christians, can become dangerous.
No, no... i meant exactly what i said. Right now it's only Christians. But, i was giving a future scenario maybe a decade or two from now. We have no idea that generation will look at our generation and say... no, the old testament was the ground work and the truth of the Bible. Jesus was just god so of course he was perfect, but we are not and must follow the old testament... or something like that. It can just as easily become bad again is all i'm saying. Maybe a little harder to go backwards, but not out of the realm of possibility.
Will you ever know you was wrong?
Depends. I personally suspect that there is a higher consciousness, or more specifically an infinite consciousness and everything is happening within this consciousness. If i am right, there are many implications to that... one is that i become everyone and everything, i become this source. Would i know i was right or wrong there? Maybe no actually, bc being everyone and everything is hard to imagine. Then, there is the scenario i keep my individual side (the one i favor and actually logically follows from the platform) in this scenario i would know. Then, there are countless other afterlife's created by humans... depending on the above way of looking at it... if i am individual me, i'll know, if not, i won't. Than there is the last implication of death according to our science, no, i won't know if i become nothing. There are way too many things that can happen, in some i'll know, in others i won't know. I tend to favor the spiritual outcomes bc the science conclusion is not only very new, it's an infant compared to time, it's also a conclusion made off of this reality. This reality is also an infant compared to time... so, i doubt it's true. But can it be... sure.
Most of these gods are just egotistical, self serving Narcissists.
It's funny bc i think most politicians are too... and, people that crave power. And, guess which people wrote it? Correlation? Maybe.
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@Greyparrot
Yeah, i agree with this. I think more unregulated competition without the top guys being able to throw money around to keep their power to the detriment of all others trying is a problem. I don't know if it will be the fix, but i'm willing to see whatever works. Bc ultimately, i live in this society. I would rather more people feel free and happy bc that will benefit my experience too. So i agree with you here that this could be a step in the right direction to allow for more competition.Give the rich opportunities to achieve. Don't give them the necessary government power to crush competition and form monopolies.
Thanks for the above explanation too. I'm often critical of studies done by people like Ben Shapiro bc he has his own thing too. I didn't read it bc i felt i'd have to go down a rabbit hole of checking his references. But in general, i can see how the above formula will allow more people to move forward. But again the thing is, what if some other people just didn't go that wrote for various reasons... should we just leave them in the dust? A kid in a single parent situation can still try really hard and go to school, but still end up in the wrong spot. I feel it's unethical to just forget not everyone has a loving home and resources. But maybe the more competition thing would equal more business and it will help them out too.
You never acknowledged it, but considering the above quote at least i think we are on the same page maybe something small needs to change... that at the very least, it's not perfect as we are now. I'm personally open to any venue to get this patched. I just wish politicians didn't always ignore it. Financial stability is an important issue. It's a dark and depressing country when a large number of people are struggling and are in bad spirits all the time.
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@disgusted
That's great! I have nothing against that and take your view seriously. Although, it may not be the truth personally for me, but that has nothing to do with you and can very well be your truth.At least I have no need of imaginary worlds and characters and afterlives in order that I live and love.
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@disgusted
Okay. I'm sure you know best.Your spiritual explanation explains nothing, it pacifies you.
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@EtrnlVw
It's a human thing... if they haven't seen it themselves, than it's not real. Now that isn't everyone. Some people love these stories and it gives them pondering moments about spirituality. But good luck getting a skeptic / atheist to take it serious if they've never experienced it. They are on the left side of the bell curve. They're mind just don't work the same as someone spirituals does. But that's what makes this world so perfect and intricate in all of its players.along with spiritual experiences and NDE's the evidence is overwhelming....one would have to be pretty stubborn not to look at the numbers and consider the knowledge involved in a transcendent reality.
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@disgusted
Sure, i won't agree with you completely bc it's more than just that, but i will concede that there is a lot of imagination involved. Now, does that give it any less validity? What if i told you i was able to imagine it since i was old enough to think? Why is that? Why would i remember something, at the time, i had no clue. I just believed this isn't the only reality i've been to... at like the age of 5.Spirituality falls under imagination.
Plus, a little story that i found further interesting other than my childhood intuition of it. I was on my first bus ride to school, kindergarten. I remember a kid getting bullied a couple seats back bc a couple kids. They were pulling his pants down and... yeah, showing his stuff. I was engulfed in anger, but i knew i had the power to stop it. I kept asking for that power, but it wouldn't manifest. I went home and told my mom, at 5 years still, why can't i use my powers in this reality. I know i have them, but they're not coming out.
Now that is all imagination as you say. A kid's imagination. But there are elements of things i shouldn't have known... how is it i even imagined these things in the first place? Can it just be a kid's imagination... that without knowing what a hero or superhero is, as kids we have that trait encoded in us so that's why i imagined that way even without understanding what it meant. Maybe, that's a natural explanation. Or, was i as a kid always on some kind of different frequency where i vaguely, but clearly too, remembered this isn't my first life? Following some other experiences i've had through the years, it seems this latter explanation is showing me... maybe there's a little more to imagination than processes in the brain.
But who knows right? Like i gave an example... there is a perfect natural explanation too. But i don't think you know, just as i don't know, which is true. But i can draw a conclusion with both the natural explanation and a spiritual one.
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