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What was your belief before the movie the Matrix was made? Or aren't you that old? Why do you people always use fictional stories and fictional characters to support the fiction you believe in, do you realise how much man made fiction you people present in your attempts to justify your beliefs?

I have had the same suspicions for a really long time... even before the movie Matrix. Actually, Matrix type platforms don't make much sense to me to be what's going on anyways. And of course the only thing that will line up with metaphysical beliefs is fiction, they are both the same in a sense. I just use analogies to show its possibility. Bc that's really all you can do short of proof at this point.  

That isn't really what we teach.

It isn't popular in America at this time. Other places it is more popular.

Well, even then, that doesn't really tell you much about Jesus. To some people, that might mean you are a Christian. To us Orthodox that means you could be accepted as a catechumen, go through classes, and be educated so that you actually know what all that means. Then, after you have been educated about what all that really means, you can be baptized if it is clear that you understand what you are saying you believe!

Oh yeah, easily. It goes all the way back to the beginning.

Well, anyone can say they believe in Jesus.

Okay, my bad. You're right. I wasn't being specific enough. You need to believe Jesus is lord and savior, died for our sins and surrendering to him and his ways. That's what makes you Christian right?

How it is different depends on what you are comparing it to. Could you give me something to compare it to? You have to understand that there are thousands of churches under the protestant/evangelical/nondenominational umbrella that can all be very different. What sets Orthodoxy apart from all of those churches, which at the oldest are maybe 500 years old, is our church is 2000 years old at least.

 So Orthodoxy is the oldest?

I've lost 4 grandparents,  2 parents and a wife but I've never seen a ghost.   But I know how much people want to because I'm human too - bereavement is not easy.

Consider all the people who have died... and not one unequivocal example of a ghost. 

but if you think this creation is lawless then I don't know what to say other than ok, have it your way. 

So you're telling me i can't have my paradise? Bc one of my paradises as i always say would be to be a vampire. In any case, nothing is lawless. Everything and every decision has its consequences. If you become a murder... then you will also have to put up with the repercussions. Every experience has its pros and cons. That is how the laws work. Not that you get punished in some kind of eternal prison, that's a man-made concept to control. Eternity is being infinite. Living is to be finite and subject to consequences. Those are the only implications that make sense of a non-dual infinite consciousness platform. You are everything and everyone... try to imagine those implications and you'll see what i mean.      

Not really.   It stems fromthe view that life and consciousness are physical processes.  When the body or brain breaks life and consciousness cease, just as the current from a dynamo ceases if it breaks.

I personally think that a great rediscovery of The Orthodox Church in America is inevitable as information is now more available about it than any other time, and as the other churches continue to compromise and bend to the whims of culture rather than to stay steadfast in truth.

Both exist, remember? you can't have a non-dual platform without a dual canvas. This canvas invites Karma, the repercussion of duality. 

Then everything you do is irrelevant, there exists no cause and effect and that flies in the face of reality, where we observe much suffering. The afterlife is living another experience I do not deny that, but that experience is dictated by actions and desires. 

 As far as spirituality is concerned, there are applicable measures to obtain.

There could be. But at this point i subscribe most to the non-dual platform. In that platform, there is no rewards, punishment, good, evil, etc. Death would just be becoming everything again, and the afterlife would be living another experience. So, it's not a good place or a bad place. It could be a horrible experience or the best experience. It's still wishful thinking to an extent, but a lot less than the heaven type thinking.  

No one has any expectations for you personally. 

Come on man, you know that's not true. A lot of people have expectations of me. Have you ever explained your belief to a fundamentalist? You know they don't agree and tell you to believe in their version to get their version of an afterlife. I would call that high expectations. 

That's the point of creation and an afterlife. 

What is the point? Can you explain... I'm not following you.

Do you have an inherent issue with the afterlife (for those who deserve to progress) heaven in which life is of a higher order? that is kind of the point of learning and progressing. While life doesn't end in a heavenly scenario per say it is important to have rewards and punishments otherwise everything you do is irrelevant. 

I have many problems with certain things about a heaven type afterlife. Mainly they are just personal. I personally think, as it is described, it would be hell. So for people to expect me to be there just for their sake is kinda offensive. Plus, i don't like how it doesn't teach to hope people will journey how they will want to journey. It's almost like a parent that never lets their kids leave home. But overall, i think people will get whatever they want. I don't know how that works out overall since their son just might not want it... maybe they'll just think he went to hell. Or maybe they will just go to a heaven type place and be content by themselves. I don't know... i don't tell anyone they are wrong in where they think they will go bc it could very well be true for them. I just know it isn't for me. But in any case, in general... heaven in both Christianity and Islam is purely made off wishful thinking. That's not a bad thing... it might get them to this super place they will never be sad or whatever... but, you have to admit, just 70 virgins alone is wishful thinking.  

Neither Christianity nor Islam describe life as you put it. Can you provide a citation of that?

I hope you don't mind me using your post at number 7. I thought it would be a cool addition. 

And what source are you reading from lol? That scenario doesn't exist not even in religion OR spirituality... unless you sow that in creation.

Christianity and Islam... those two have followers in the billions and their afterlife belief could be construed as wishful thinking just bc of what it is. 

many congressman are saying if the wording changed, they would support it.  If they just called it a fence.

And this is why i think this situation overall is so stupid. 

Would you say that girls, who play the game poorly and have boring personalities, are completely unable to earn money, even if they're hot? 

No, i think i even indicated in my response that they can make money. However, not as easily as a hot girl, that has a good personality and is good at the game can. In that situation, they are probably almost guaranteed to make money. But, on the flip side... it will be harder. The main reason being that people go on to look at good players play. That's why i search or most gamers search for other people to watch. We are good at the game and looking for extra moves we haven't thought of... or to study an opposing players moves and abilities. That is probably the number one reason people search to watch others. Second reason being it's just fun and motivates you to play the game. And probably way last, to watch a "hot girl" play. 

What would make you claim I hate anything. Your continuous eternal life results in "why even be here" meaninglessness for eternity what a wonderful thought. Everything that has ever lived on this rock has died because that is life, you for some insane reason refuse to believe that and instead claim that they are still alive. How could you possibly come to that conclusion. In reference to an earlier post where you claimed not to know what caveman I referred to, it's every caveman who ever invented gods and afterlife's.

Calling a belief that you can survive death a caveman's idea is just shutting yourself off and acting arrogantly in that you know and anyone that thinks otherwise is stupid.. that's essentially what you're saying. So it's no wonder why i am construing that you hate something about this claim. Bc "everything dies" isn't a very good reason to convince me otherwise of its possibility... at all. Of course everything dies, but what is dying? What is life? Are we all really alive right now or are we inside of a dream that is inside of a dream? Is everything a manifestation of an infinite consciousness? Etc. Etc. There are plenty of good hypothesis which implications would be life after death. And no one, including modern science, has debunked its possibility. So the only reason one would shut themselves of to it is bc there is something they hate about it... That's why i'm curious to know what your reason is bc 'everything dies' is really not that good. 

 I am 'agnostic' about the multi-verse. 

Aren't even the scientists agnostic about it? 

Having said that, I've recently been wondering as to why a girl can get on Twitch, play a videogame rather poorly and receive a bucketload of money. I understand that the girls in question dress in certain ways to enhance attraction, but wow, why do guys give them so much money? Is there some kind of trick? Is it easy to do?

I suppose its conceivable that something very odd happens at the point of death, but nothing in my own experience implies it will!

That's most definitely true. Although, i hold all of these possibilities bc i've experienced weird stuff, so that's what makes me this rare agnostic atheist that believes more so in an afterlife than the latter. But like you said, i have no tangible evidence or proof so in the end of the day, who knows. You know... a lot of people say i believe in this bc i'm afraid of death; which isn't even close to being true. I'm in no rush, but i can't wait to see if i'm right or wrong. 

I'll take that a 'No', then! :)

Well, of course but no offense that isn't a very good question. How can anything having to do with a belief be tangible? How can life after death be tangible? I guess if it is a soul thing, there should be a soul within our bodies but still that wouldn't necessarily be tangible. I mean, i took a loose definition of tangible and by that way spiritual experiences are the closest thing we have to tangible or as i took it 'can be perceived by our senses.'  But nothing can be specifically perceived by touch even if it were true. 

All of the platforms i think are the best aren't tangible. A simulation would be extra dimensional so nothing there. A pantheistic type of platform would be around us, but also extra dimensional. And it also wouldn't require a soul since when you die you just become one with everything again. Basically, they are all extra dimensional so there wouldn't be any tangible evidence.  

Do you have any tangible reason for that belief?

One of the main 'tangible' reason in my opinion is that i've had weird experiences. I can think of natural alternatives to explain them, but the natural explanations seem more far fetched than what i actually experienced. So, those opened my eyes up to experiences in general. So i've spent a lot of my life not only researching other peoples experiences but asking everyone i meet about if they've experienced anything bc i'm sorta obsessed with knowing i'm not the only one. It messes with your head bc if i was i would be worried about my mental state. But, at this point, i've ruled that out 1) bc my uncle is a neurologist and i've learned a lot about the mind and delusions; and 2) i'm not the only one. The way i look at it is out of the millions of people reporting experiences, only 1 of them has to be true for the implications to be wild. So, that is pretty crazy in and of itself. But i don't jump to conclusions. I don't know what could explain these. It could very well be something about consciousness that we aren't aware of and has very little to do with any afterlife or other dimension. So who knows what it means... but i'm quite confident they happen. So i think it is enough to suspect something is going on... one of those somethings is extra dimensions and higher consciousness. I believe we know too little at this point to rule these things out. 

Also some reasoning, i don't think we've even begun to test for an afterlife or other dimensions. The closest we come to studying it is in a theoretical type of way like multiverse stuff. Science currently doesn't have any means to test for this stuff. Science is best suited to discover our reality not any transcendent reality. Factor that it, that we really haven't even tried yet nor have the means too, i think it's close minded not to suspect these things especially given how incredibly unbelievable life is in general. We've only begun to scratch the surface of existence and we are already blown away by multiple unbelievable facts about life... i don't see why something like life after death just wouldn't be another unbelievable reality.   

My last reason is just personal. Ever since i can remember, quite literally from the age i can remember which is 4/5 and up, i've always felt like i was somewhere else before this life. Sorta like some young kids having past life memories, i felt like i had multiple experiences already. I remember as a kid imagining some pretty crazy stuff even before i've seen it and as soon as i was old enough to reason, i thought back and thought the things i've seen as a kid were impossible... and that's what initially got me interested in metaphysical subjects. Of course this one is really just a personal feeling and old memories... but they're significant to me nonetheless.