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@Mopac
Sorry Mopac... that last video was suppose to go to someone else.
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@RationalMadman
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@RationalMadman
I already did more than enough to help you not be lied to and manipulated by even taking time to give you two videos... i really don't give two shits if you want to stay blind, that's your choice. Go find your own "proof."
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@Mopac
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@Mopac
You still haven't given me an answer on how, especially the Orthodox view, is not corruptible.
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@RationalMadman
That's exactly what i'm doing.Is it unbiased to point out corrupt pricks for what they are?
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@Mopac
Then why preach at all? Why be on the internet trying to tell people of god's word? You should be on with enough knowledge to convince people that you aren't just blindly following... It doesn't do much good for your credibility if you are here to say you're right without anything to convince people you're belief is accurate.I am not trying to convince you of anything.
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@RationalMadman
Considering the video is 25 minutes you didn't watch it... don't fanboy on tyt man. They are racebaiters and liars. I still watch some of their videos, but they clearly aren't the best or very good at unbias reporting.
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@Defender
That's interesting you don't get money from Youtube. Is it bc you are a foreign channel and they can't run America adds on your videos? If i had to guess that's what i would think. Well, congratulations with all your achievement. That's pretty cool that you are sponsored by Google. I know the 100k mark is a good milestone. I just have other things i do irl that make me money. I think the 100k, if i put effort into it, is an achievable benchmark... but i always wondered if it is worth the time and effort. I've heard some channels that are in the 300k mark make like 6k a month from combination of Youtube and Pateron. That's good, but 300k is considerably harder to reach and also could be never reached. I'll have to run a cost analysis and figure that out.
I was watching some videos on the new 8k electronics coming out. What is your opinion on that? Is it worth it or is it not much of an improvement to upgrade what i already have? Also, i briefly heard something about 5g... is that coming out this year?
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@RationalMadman
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@Defender
Cool. I've always considered doing something with Youtube as well. Can i ask you something personal... bc i've always really been curious about breaking the 100k subscriber mark and the exact same about of views you get. Besides everything else you can get revenue from. How much do you get only from Youtube? If you can't answer that, would you say breaking the 100k mark makes you enough to focus only on YouTube?
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@Mopac
You don't know. You can only have reasoning and logic. If your reason is purely bc god won't let that happen... i would say tell the young kids that get molested by priests that they don't count in god's plan. God only guides their hands not their dicks. If you have logical reasons, i'd be willing to consider.
I've given you my two most honest reasons for why i don't believe in any religion. I'm not arguing text, i'm not even going to argue the impossible claims in the Bible or argue contradictions... i'm giving you my two most honest and important reasons for why i think the Bible is corrupted and religion is man-made. If your only answers are there is something wrong with me or god is great and wouldn't let that happen... i'm simply going to doubt you know anything that your talking about... just blindly following for some personal reason which i really don't care about... believe whatever you want. You just aren't any good at showing others why you believe other than this blind faith.
I mean, i've asked Christian's these questions before and i get various answers... none of them convincing so far to date. However, creative answers and some do make me think. In regards to me being with one lover... i've been told she can turn into anyone and change her appearance. Creative stuff. But ultimately the most honest answer i've gotten from humble believers is that they don't know. So either you have something creative i haven't heard before, or you have some logic or reasoning that will make me think... but so far, your lacking in both.
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@Reece
Definitely. That's what i like about him. The only thing i don't like about him, other than some views, is that he is a part of TyT network lol. I tend to agree with a bit of his views. I'm centrist so i have a mix of both views, but i would pick him as the best progressive voice that i know of currently.Everyone seems to like Kyle, both left and right. If he ran as a politician, at least you'd know where he stands. He's 100% genuine.
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@Defender
Can you tell me why my disk score is so low? It's the same, 5.9, on my desktop too. And what is the disk score anyways or for what function?
You have a cool computer. It may be a bit much since i'm just a casual gamer and works fine for my needs as is. What games do you play?
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@Mopac
Well, you may not like to hear it, but what you are describing are the symptoms of idolatry. While it may seem appealing, it is in fact the embrace of death.
So know who i am is literally labelled as idolatry? That makes no sense but your are deflecting from all the other points. I dropped the i can't be with one person point, who knows, i might find one that i can be with... but certainly not for "eternity." Everything about eternity scares the crap out of me and i'm confident would be hell. In sum, paradise makes no sense.
We can put this aside if you want bc i don't think you can address it other than labeling there are things wrong with me... which i will continue to find ridiculous. The second point is just as important... how do you think vile humans would pass your religion down for all these years without corrupting it. And, as you can see, and should be familiar with being Catholic, even church members are vile.
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@RationalMadman
Maybe if they weren't such blatant hypocrites and race baiting fools i'd have some respect for them. Ana and Chunk are the worst feminazi's i've ever seen. John is cool but even he goes off the rails sometimes.I am huge fan of TYT
Watch Kyle Kulinski's Secular Talk. Although i don't agree with everything he says he actually tries to not be a hack unlike the Young Turds.
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@Mopac
There is a love even greater in paradise. A type of love that is so much greater than the eros you speak of, you would not miss it.
I don't get how that is attractive to you... This literally sounds like hell. Not only will who i am be erased... i will be fed eternal heroin. I do not like love that much. My darker parts are what makes me who i am. Without them, i'm literally dead and i would rather be nothing than live on in such a place. And not only that... i will be stuck in eternity. Which is another hell in and of itself. This is how you know it's man-made... the promises are the same promises a heroin dealer would tell you. It literally makes no sense how you don't see it.
It is really a shameful thing to be controlled or defined by one's lusts or passions. We would not say this is who you really are. This would say this is a false identity. An identity that cheapens who you actually are.
And here you go with pre-programmed Christian bigotry. I am neither controlled or defined by lust. Passion is not a bad thing. I'm semi-asexual. I can only make love to a women i literally love everything about (personality, physically, emotionally). It's disgusting if it's any degree otherwise. But i cannot be with one women for eternity... eternal life with no possibility of death would be hell to me. Maybe not you, or others, fine... it is to me.
How does the Bible address this issue? Can it address this issue? Did humans thousands of years ago not think of this? Were humans in such conditions that an eternal happy place just sounded good? Are humans so afraid of death and losing loved ones that an eternity with them just sounds good? But it doesn't sound good to me and others of my opinion so where do we go? I don't get paradise? That is my train of thought which leads me to believe it's man-made.
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@Mopac
Okay i have to get off for a bit and i'm pretty sure i know the answer to the last question (tell me if i'm wrong), but i'm most curious with the rest. Okay, I'll start with being eternal. That is literally my worst nightmare. I've also fallen in love with my darkness. It is absolutely in my control, but i love that it's there. And i won't love just one person... but i can say this one is a possibility, however in no way for eternity... and, I'm not alone in this. So is there somewhere else people like me go? Bc just those three being true literally is a hell. Being stuck eternally as someone i'm not. So is that what i would be looking forward to being a Christian? Hell or hell for not believing? I'm truly confused.
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@Swagnarok
They weren't truly Orthodox, duh...
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@Mopac
Everything that comes with it. Emotions, taking care of, protecting, loving the person more than myself, doing anything for, and yes... showing by making love to her.
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@Mopac
In addition, will there be more than one lover? Can i have more than one lover? I've found that is how i love. I'm not made to love just one person. So can i have multiple lovers?
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@Mopac
Okay... since there are books on that just one word, i'll get more specific. Do people become eternal in paradise? Does god take away my fear, my hate and my anger?
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@Mopac
Great and all but what about my questions. You can answer them one at a time if you want starting with what Orthodoxy says about what the afterlife is.
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@Mopac
What does the Orthodox version say about the afterlife?
How is it that everything humans touch get corrupted and is fallible... but this one book through thousands of years isn't? A little history of the "humans" i'm talking about. Creatures that got and get enjoyment in torturing other human; Creatures that use to rape and kill women and children just bc they were the wives and children of their enemies; Creatures that use to and still find enjoyment in killing other human beings bc they are different; Creatures that use to watch people get torn to pieces in arenas for fun... you are telling me these creatures maintained and have created this religion for the benefit of the world?
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@janesix
It could be bc he really believe he does. That's why i also got him to believe the non-dual platform and it's helped more than when he was Christian he says. Bc now he knows how powerful he is. So i'm going that route in trying to help him defeat it. I just really want him to. I hate hearing that it torments him. Do you think he can change the voice he hears... or do you have any suggestions that might help?The voice could be a demon, or part of his own psyche. his shadow.
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@janesix
I kind of waver between being agnostic and REALLY believing. When i say agnostic, it is only a technicallity. I believe in God at least 95% right now. it changes
Everyone is technically in the 90% tile even if they don't admit to it. Bc they don't know. They can lie to themselves that they are positive, but then... tell them why are they scared to die then. Most will be... but, should they be scared if they are "100% positive"? In any case, if you sometimes doubt that is perfectly healthy and the more honest you are with yourself it starts to feel better than making yourself believe something you don't know for sure. I personally would say there is like a 70% chance there is some kind of afterlife / extra dimensional type stuff which makes me feel good. But that 30% of not knowing also makes me cherish this life more and feels good in its own way. I don't know... i might be wrong bc i'm guessing no one can be certain... i guess some truly could believe they are. It just doesn't make sense to me how someone can be certain of something they don't know.
I could be a complete lunatic. in fact, i just quit taking my meds, to see how it goes
Well be careful with that. But you know your body best and i'm sure you'll be able to catch the signs if you need to go back on. I've heard a lot of mystics and gurus talk about how people can control ailments with their minds. So, i don't know... i personally got rid of the most vicious parts of my depression so i kinda wonder now. How much of your mind can you control? I imagine since it is a part of you... you should technically be able to control everything.
My friend also has a similar health problem and i try to teach him how to shut it off. Although he is totally aware of it and is doing pretty good at not letting it interfere with his life... he's still hard headed about one thing. The voice he hears is "evil" as he says. He thinks it's either a curse or some kind of demon. It torments him by saying evil things. I keep telling him it's not a demon or a curse... or even if it is, that he is stronger so he can kill it. I'm trying to frame his view of it in a different way so he can beat it or at least change the voice. But he is convinced it's a demon. I wonder how much of that conviction also plays a part in the voice being what it is... i'm sorta doing a mini-science experience on him (like the mad scientist i am). I truly think if he can change his perspective of what it is... at least he can change it to something more pleasant.
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This fetish for explanations and understandings will only get in the way of what is really important.
AKA... blindly follow what i say/believe bc it's right.
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@janesix
Yes, it would be consistant, since all experiences could be accomodated.
Cool. It's a very interesting platform indeed. Btw, i didn't know you are agnostic. Out of all my years being certain about one platform or another... i think being where i am today (being uncertain) is definitely the most peaceful state of mind i've reached.
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@janesix
Well, I can't grasp "infinity" .
Most definitely i agree. That's not really what i'm asking though. For instance, i've had spiritual experiences. I've always tried to figure out which platform would allow for such experiences. I think a source platform that is everything and can be anything answers my experiences best. Bc not only would it make sense out of my experience, in my opinion, it allows for people that have different experiences. But that's why i'm curious about yours. I've never had a "god" experience in your way. So i'm wondering if you think such a platform is consistent with your experience(s) too.
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@janesix
Lol yep... Let's say an infinite consciousness is the platform. Do you think this sort of platform makes sense in regards to correlating with your spiritual experiences?Then that would probably be too many cooks in the kitchen.
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@janesix
What if everyone and you are god?No, since I am not a God.
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@3RU7AL
Not surprised you bring politics in here. I think it's time to block you.
Not surprised you are hyper-sensitive.
She blocked me bc i was giving another person positive affirmations lol. I suspect she is following my posts. First she tells Etrnl not to invite me to the Theist thread, now she is making a post about agnostics which i am the most obvious one, and other stuff i'm pretty sure was inadvertently addressing me... Well who knows right... i'm blocked so i can't defend any of that... how convenient for her. She is just another person that thinks she is always right so much so that she has to block out people that can actually justify themselves... So, you aren't going to miss much.
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@3RU7AL
Well the idea of enlightenment has sorta been hijacked recently. Actually... i'm kinda hijacking it too bc i've given it my own definitions as i've been going along. So to everyone it could mean something a little different now. I think originally it meant you become one with the universe and some kind of source consciousness. But for me it is more of a becoming one with myself. Being able to control my thoughts, being able to see past societal deceptions, basically... improving everything about myself. Looking at myself as if i was a god that created myself here. I've actually experienced that feeling too and it has taught me a whole lot about my journey. The spiritual part i've only encountered a couple times and i don't seek it anymore bc i understand it is still just one possibility. But when they say in an enlightenment moment you just "get it" and can clearly see the platform they aren't joking. I honestly think a non-dual platform is pretty logical bc i can clearly see it working. Not only philosophically, but i think quantum sciences are also pointing towards such a platform. It's a very interesting platform to say the least.A man searching for enlightenment is like a man riding an ox in search of an ox.
Btw... yeah... going through the ten ox stages of enlightenment is the fun part. I never looked up why it is "ox" stages. I think dragon stages would have sounded a lot cooler.
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@Mopac
Outplayz invented his own religion, thinks he is god, and seems to believe whatever he thinks up that sounds aesthetically pleasing.
I'm going to put this one first bc i think you are talking out of your ass. Please describe to me this religion i've created?? I'm pretty sure i haven't created any and furthermore that i believe in no religion. So please tell me what this religion is that you're talking about me creating?
1. God doesn't know the future, only what is currently happening.
I'm pretty sure that isn't what he believes. I don't know though. In the platform he talks about god is the past, present and future. Does god know it like an individual does, no. It's just everything simultaneously. God wouldn't be an individual in such a platform. It would be a source.
2. Jesus was a created being.
In such a platform, everything creates itself, therefore, this would be accurate.
3. It doesn't matter what is written in the New Testament, because those that followed Jesus didn't get it.
He's right in only focusing on Jesus bc he is really all that matters in his type of belief. He believes Jesus was a spiritual master therefore his words and stories are key. This isn't a bad way of looking at it in my opinion, but personally i don't share in any of this. I think the entire Bible is man-made and irrelevant. Well, i shouldn't say that... it's not necessary.
Neither of you are Christians.
I've previously given you a chance to convince me why i should be. You cannot answer my questions and you cannot define your own belief. I've talked to many Christians throughout my years, your not the first. There are many reasons i'm not Christian... including but not limited to it doesn't make sense and it is clearly man-made. If you can answer my concerns and prove me otherwise, i'll become a Christian the moment you do. So far all you've done is run from my questions or dodge them. As per all the Christians i've talked to, you've so far done the worst in explaining why i should find Christianity to be true.
Orthodoxy
There is a reason Orthodoxy and religion are on their dying leg. It's not a dislike for the people, it's no a dislike of god... it's simply wrong and anyone that puts some thought into can see it is clearly man-made. Catholics above all others being the most obvious in showing people this.
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@Tradesecret
It's really not a joke. Everything about the Christian afterlife i find to be hell. I think heaven would be hell, i think hell would be hell, and i think purgatory would be hell if you bring that into it. And none of that is a joke. It's one of the primary reasons i don't believe in Christianity.
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@janesix
In one of my experience it actually was pretty scary. To know everything, to be everything, to know all past, present and future. I was frightened. I held my head down, closed my eyes and hoped to anything that i would forget. Gladly when i came to i forgot. In that sense, it is very scary. But that taught me a lot. It taught me why an eternal intelligence would rather have finite experiences vs. staying as what it is. However, other experiences... although feeling fear and sadness, you switch away from that to peace and harmony. Bc it isn't only the scary stuff, it's all the good stuff too.I didn't like the mini experience i had, i don't think id ever want ot be or feel like an eternal God. That would be a night mare.
But for the very reason you explained, I'm not trying to become it anymore. I'm just trying to understand all of its implications from now on and to work on myself (which could be more important than the platform). I'm done experiencing... plus, that isn't what we are suppose to be anyways. We are here to be ourselves... i realized it's kinda dumb if i keep trying to escape to it when it likely tried to escape to here.
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@EtrnlVw
That was put very well. Jesus' teachings are the original and the only that should matter. That's why i was pushing him on the Jesus part. I think the only thing that should make you a Christian is following Jesus. It looks too, that is the most popular Christian view too which i'm okay with. Of course, it's still not fully how you say it bc humans need the community thing and always end up with a club. I wish it was more just metaphorical and just be good as he was and you'll be fine type mentality.I described exactly what it is that is original and who it is that meets that definition, there is no religious group that was original other than Jesus in the Gospels and those teachings, the apostles were his followers. That is the original source. The title "orthodoxy" was attributed to a self-appointed group it means nothing. True orthodox means to get back to the Gospels and apply them individually, not religious groups and if you read them you will see that quite clearly.
Look like anything related to Jesus of the Gospels??
That's funny. I'll be honest, i didn't think Orthodoxy meant Catholic... I'm sorry, but that is on its dying leg... I'd gladly go to hell if that's the truth.
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@janesix
That's funny, bc i thought you are going to ask me how to do it and i was going to tell you the hardest thing to get passed is your ego. That is the hardest part that i even still catch myself doing. But, you have to become as conscious as you can of your ego to catch it and if you can, i would say your on a good path.
Yes, people do have this experience but a lot of people can't separate their pre-conditioning or ego from it. They will say i knew Jesus is real, i knew Allah is real, i knew Buddha was right. I even did in the beginning slightly. But since i have been consciously trying to achieve it... you keep learning more and more, or realizing more and more. And those realizations keep taking you further away from your ego and pre-conditioned beliefs. So for people that just accidentally stumble upon it... i think it's fair to say they don't understand it. But everyone can experience it. Really, 5 MEO DMT a lot of the time gives you this realization. The key is breaking it down and trying to understand it while staying open and honest. It's a journey. Mystics spend their entire lives trying to understand more and more and they still say they understand nothing. Bc that's another realization you have eventually, yes you can experience it.. but it's infinite. How can you as a finite being ever grasp that?
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@janesix
Well the experience itself as most describe it is oneness which i also had. I was this thing called god which is also everyone. I'm god and this experience is just one of many i've had and will have. That i'm infinite and so is everyone else. We are all this infinite consciousness experience itself. This life is an illusion of an experience we have created ourselves in having... therefore, also real. So basically, that's why i say i'm god. Bc so are you and everyone else. That's what you realize. You realize the platform is non-dual and further, when you become it... you become everyone. So anyone you hurt, you are hurting yourself. Everything you hate, you are also that which you hate. You are also everything you love. Then many mini-experience that give me a strong indication in breaking down possible implications such as the ability to individualize within this source. Bc you realize you are eternally free within the source to be you. If this platform controlled everything than it will basically continue being what it already is... so why even manifest into physical forms. I see that we individualize within it and have a choice to be whatever we want to be in order for the experience to be genuine. But that is extra stuff i'm realizing. The enlightenment experience itself begins with realizing you are what you've called god.
A lot of people tell me i'm not truly enlightened bc i still have doubt that any of this is true. But i disagree with them. I think it is fair to say "i see it" but i also see that i can be wrong. I would say a person that can't say that isn't truly enlightened. But of course, people are throwing this phrase around carelessly recently so just like anything humans touch... it's starting to become corrupted.
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@janesix
I was clinically depressed before it. It cured my depression... at least almost all of the symptoms. I still have one of the symptoms of laziness/lack of motivation i'm working on. So, yeah... i learned quite a bit. I did learn but it was more realizations that i knew but wasn't paying attention to. It was an "ohhh" moment. It also really taught me to always be present. This is a bad thing bc i forget a lot of things, but i'm always present. I'm never/rarely in the past or the future unless i choose to be. That i feel is the biggest benefit of trying to reach this state of mind. Plus other little things like being able to see things in people it seems most miss.
Edit: Oh i should add the spiritual part is huge too. Learned a lot there as well which is another of the biggest benefits.
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@janesix
Specifically, i've had two experiences that would count as enlightenment experiences in the spiritual sense and a couple other mini ones under the spiritual category. I've also had this experience without drugs as well but not spiritually. The natural ones were breaking out of societal constraints. The spiritual ones influence the rest however. They are the ones that "freed my mind" ... i think that's the best way to describe it. Other than that, i'm still trying. I'm still too young to say i've reached full enlightenment. So it's an ongoing process of internal growth.
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@3RU7AL
That's a funny video. "What the fuck am i doing here my back hurts" lol. But seriously, you know you can practice to achieve enlightenment right? Many people report those very feelings when enlightening... well, the last part of the video. It takes years and dedication. I've tried but gave up and had enlightenment experiences, but with drugs. I don't think that's cheating though since it's likely chemicals guru's and mystics achieve after years of trying. In any case, you can take 5 MEO DMT and experience enlightenment through practice kinda faster than naturally... so, that would really be compelling to you? I feel like you would just say it's chemicals in your brain.
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@EtrnlVw
I was going to bring that up... the whole Jesus was against this kind of church, but okay... you beat me to it. I was setting it up to get there. And no, he isn't pulling a wool over my eyes bc i don't believe any this. But if i did, i would believe your version over any of them bc it makes most sense. And that's what i meant that Orthodoxy is going to continue to decline. That's one reason.
But in principle... the original of a religion would hypothetically be the best since it is not corrupted. But... i do not believe Christianity has any secs that are not corrupted. Which is why overall it will decrease over the years once people wake up to that and gain more spiritual intelligence. Spiritual intelligence is really at retard levels in our world presently, but i think it will rise and finally put to rest organized religion.
But yeah... i like your version best so i wonder what Mopac has to say about it... It is the version that will beat all other versions if i'm predicting here. The whole believe in Jesus and his ways and drop the organized religion part. But with a big caveat, it has to be done right. Bc one big thing is community. People go to church or join a club for community which clubs like Catholics kinda have down. But i think it can be done with your version too. I think you have the Jordan Petterson version of Christianity... however, i'm not sure if he thinks Jesus was real bc it sounds like you do. I'm agnostic about it, but if he did, he was nothing more than a spiritual teacher.
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@EtrnlVw
Not in any way shape or form am I telling you that you cannot have that. All I'm saying is that Karma is real, just like natural laws there exists moral laws.
That's good then. Bc i think only your choices have consequences in life. Not in death bc there really is no choices other than your choice to manifest in life again. So whatever experience someone has comes with a cause and effect in regards to their actions and choices. I agree at that point 100%. Btw... i just learned Karma means "knowledge that you have accumulated through your lives." It doesn't mean what the West portrays it as.. i thought that's interesting.
Then we are saying the same thing! Not sure why you are disagreeing.
You made it seem like you were talking about the afterlife when implicating you have to live good in this life to achieve something in death. Or at least that's what i thought you meant so sorry i misconstrued that. If you are talking about your worldly life having a cause and effect in choice and consequence then i agree. Whatever character you choose to be would come with this pro and con. Another fun fact about me... i would also be a Joker type of character. Depending of course on how torturous it would be to be him... but i suspect i'd be okay with those consequences.
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@3RU7AL
What would you consider to be compelling if you saw it for yourself?I need to "see it for myself" and I would expect everyone else to demand the same.
This one was quite compelling as well - this guy was left for dead on a remote mountain range - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO_uK33aQY8
That's only compelling of a hell. Lol.
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@keithprosser
That's fair. I wouldn't say it's in my "very" weak evidence since i've personally experienced. But even then, it's still in a weak evidence folder for me too.It's filed in my 'very weak evidence' folder. It's a very thick folder but i think that says more about people than about ghosts.
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@keithprosser
They most definitely are, and there is more than one picture usually... but i thought that picture in the story was clear enough to at least think to consider it. I'm not going to say it was wrong or fake just bc that's what i'm suppose to say to maintain i'm a skeptic. But if you don't think any of that stands for evidence... then, i don't know... we're just different, and i think you're wrong and you probably think the same of me. I don't have any proof to give you, and you don't have any good reason for me to doubt what i think... so, that's a stale mate man.
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@3RU7AL
NDE's are definitely interesting. I watched some experts that study it talk about some crazy stuff people have done. Like seeing what the surgeons did or talked about when the person was out. I think they are pretty compelling. Although of course who knows. It could be a rush of DMT when the person is coming back too. But, the people that study it have also sorta ruled DMT out bc of the differences in experience. So who knows what could be the cause. I personally presently think the best platform that can account for all spiritual experiences including NDE's is an infinite consciousness type platform. It's called non-duality, oneness, etc. Bc that would make sense of variations in experiences and the feeling of oneness.
The one thing i obviously don't like about the video is that he is jumping to conclusions. "It must be the Biblical god." There is nothing in his experience that definitively points to a Christian god. You addressed this in your other post and i agree with that sentiment. We don't know what platform can make these things true. We can only speculate and try to logically make sense of which platforms are the best and not. I think experiences, philosophy, and even science right now is going the direction of a non-dual platform, but it could be anything. In any case, NDE's are an interesting phenomena to consider.
There is a lot of anecdotal evidence to consider. There is strong evidence, the brain dying, that death is the end. But i would say there is also strong weak evidence that death isn't the end. Taking both into consideration i think the only logical stance at this point in history is to be agnostic. Sure you can lean a little more towards the agnostic atheist side, or like me, agnostic spiritual... but really, there is no evidence against why we shouldn't suspect an afterlife or some kind of extra dimensional reality we aren't aware of.
Did you read the Yahoo story? What did you think of that? I thought it's the best apparition story i've seen. Usually i'm very skeptical of claims that are made into stories bc i think the person is out to gain fame or money, but this one just doesn't fit that bc i doubt the mom would lie about her dead son. Furthermore, it was the best comment section i've seen in regards to spiritual experiences. Usually you have to search through the comment section to find these stories. This was back to back. Wouldn't you say the stories are compelling evidence to suspect something is going on?
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@keithprosser
I never said any of that is proof. I am well aware there is absolutely no proof for that would need for a repeatable type of evidence which we don't have. All i'm saying is that all that can be put in the category of evidence. You do what you will with it. Some atheists are more open-minded some are not, i don't fault you for being either or bc in the end of the day there is no proof for me to present. To me, personally, all of that and more makes it sufficient enough reason to suspect an afterlife or some kind of extra dimensional stuff we aren't aware of. You can believe what you will bc i don't think it will be easy for you to be convinced either way unless it's proof. I don't think that is an unfair assumption to make bc you are making it pretty clear you won't accept anecdotal accounts. And that is the bulk of the only direct evidence we have.Then please stop making assumptions! I don't know what would convince me, but a glowy blur and a handful internetter comments falls short of 'proof'. I'd hate to be convicted of murder on that sort of evidence!
... in regards to the murder thing... a picture of a murderer holding a dead person and accounts by a person that saw him/her do it... very likely could lead to a conviction. I work in property damage and pictures are the bulk of the evidence we use to win cases. Pictures and video tapes are very important evidence to have.
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