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@fauxlaw
Invest: if you don't do it, don't knock it. I did and do. My results speak for themselves. We are no longer in the 20s. We've learne4d a few things since then.
But still, investment isn't an infinite wealth generator. Long-term stock market prices are very unpredictable and fluctuate a lot.
Investing is like Russian Roulette. The more aggressively you invest, the higher your payout but the more bullets you put into the chamber.
The Dotcom Bubble Burst, the Great Recession, the current economic crisis we're facing due to COVID-19. The wealth you accumulate through aggressive investing could be wiped out through Bear markets and crashes such as these.
Enron, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae. They all seemed to be good investments... until they weren't.
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@RationalMadman
I am not a believer in this immoral philosophy.
THEN OFF TO GULAG WITH YOU
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@Crocodile
Is the book you're reading up on called Das Kapital by any chance?
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@Vader
Communism, but for 11 year olds
With a dash of eugenics for flavour
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@RationalMadman
@drafterman
@Vader
@zedvictor4
@Crocodile
Every Crocist must grasp the truth: Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.
– Croc Zedong
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@fauxlaw
If you increase money supply by the forces of a free-market economy, the money supply adds value.
There are three things that a nation's economy is based on: natural resources, manufacturing (and the infrastructure that supports it), and domestic and international services. The first is limited by the amount of stuff there is in a country's territory.
The second and third are limited by two things: the total possible manpower that a nation has, and the demand (domestic or international) for the goods/services. True, innovation can increase the maximum production capability and the services available, but there is ultimately a limit to how many goods/services can be provided. People can only make/be so many things at a time, and even with automation, producing stuff and servicing others still takes time. Even if a nation were able to produce an extreme surplus of goods/services, the demand for those things would be limited, thus making those things cheaper. Even if a nation were able to produce a surplus of them, the wealth generated from it would be limited by demand.
That's why investment works. It was my father's advice, and many others who undestand how the market is supposed to work by ambition, planning, and execution. It works. My dad was a mild investor. I am more agressive. He was never a millionaire. Close, but no. I am several times over. I'm not just selling a line: I KNOW it works.
Ah yes, invest and you will get richer. This was what everyone thought in the 1920s.
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@3RU7AL
Ok, so what if the troll were to ALWAYS give out points to seem more open-minded? It doesn't affect their ELO whatsoever, and it would make more people want to debate them, so naturally, they would want to give out points ALL the time?
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@WaterPhoenix
@simplybeourselves
It's the best option we got right now.
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@Speedrace
@WaterPhoenix
@simplybeourselves
Acutally...
If you guys are all willing to switch over to Warren with me, then we'll have the required amount of votes (mainly directed at Speedrace and simply)
I know this seems bad, but RM's unwilling to budge, and Bear and Oro are offline.
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@RationalMadman
Right now, based on the VC, it seems like it's going to be Croc or nothing.
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Unofficial Vote Count:
Croc (6/7) - Simply, Press, Speed, Supa, Croc, Water
Warren (3/7) - Oromagi, RM, Bear
Speedrace (1/7) - User
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@WaterPhoenix
Just vote for someone. We have no time left.
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@RationalMadman
@Vader
@oromagi
@Speedrace
@WaterPhoenix
Ok guys we have half an hour left. We need to lynch someone.
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Unofficial Vote Count:
Croc (5/7) - Simply, Press, Speed, Supa, Croc
Warren (3/7) - Oromagi, RM, Bear
Speedrace (1/7) - User
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@RationalMadman
Ok, I'm just rereading everything, and
I was the only member of this game to stick up for Croc once he outed, I even was so scared that shch a PR char had outed, I offered him the opportunity to retract so Mafia got confused potentially or so that if he was Mafia he'd think twice before real Ani had to out.
Am I seeing this correctly? It seems like you were sticking up for Croc because he's Croc. You explicitly stated that even if he were mafia, you still would offer him the chance to retract his claim. This seems like you're trying to protect him, regardless of his affiliation. Could you plz explain this?
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Ok just read all the updates and I'll get back to them in a sec
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@RationalMadman
Oh. I just realized how you framed that question. My bad. It's 2 AM.
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@RationalMadman
So you said:
I offered him the opportunity to retract so Mafia got confused potentially or so that if he was Mafia he'd think twice before real Ani had to out.
However, I don't remember seeing any post where you offered Croc the opportunity to retract his Ani claim.
So I ask you which post you made this offer in. Surely if you did this, you should know which post it is in, right?
How else would you have been able to communicate with Croc?
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@RationalMadman
Where did you give him the opportunity to retract his statements? What post number?
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@RationalMadman
I think it's odd that Ani isn't an investigative role. I admit that. I don't care, because he's unccd Ani and Ani is town no matter what.
So you're saying that if Croc is fake Ani, the real one would pounce on him in a CC?
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@RationalMadman
And you take his doctor claim at face value? As I said before, there are very good reasons why the doctor wouldn't out themself to CC, namely because they have more utility alive than dead.
Also, Water provided a very good read that shows Ani could be a godfather (which is a lot stronger than even your nurse justification, let alone his doc one).
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@RationalMadman
You've stated several times why you think Croc is doctor. That isn't my question, though.
My question is why you made a role justification for him. Why are YOU using a source from wiki to back up HIS roleclaim?
Again, if he's truly a doctor, then he should have no problem paraphrasing his PMs to make a justification that is somewhat coherent. His justification was anything but coherent. Then you jumped in and provided an alternative explanation for him. Once again, I'm asking you about why you did so.
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@RationalMadman
True, we have an un-CC'd doctor claim. But the justification for it is incoherent and contradictory. As I have already mentioned, this could very possibly be a last-ditch attempt by Croc to free himself from town suspicion (with the bonus of possibly drawing out the real doc as well). There's a very good reason why doc wouldn't want to CC, which is that the doc would have more utility to town alive than dead.
And yet you still haven't answered why you're making a role justification for him.
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@RationalMadman
It is such a powerful claim that it may be more likely that claimed doctors are mafia than doctor.
This part to be specific.
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@RationalMadman
Ok, I'll investigate your previous play. But you have yet to explain for #682.
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@Speedrace
Nope. I was just asking to see whether or not he played like this before as town.
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@Speedrace
Have you seen him play in any previous mafia games?
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@Speedrace
She helped out a bit, if he had used that as his justification then I wouldn't have voted him
Yeah, I guess. But the more concerning thing is why RM then steps in for Croc. It's as if he's trying to cover for him.
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@RationalMadman
I have answered your question. I have no idea why you are targeting me.
Where did you answer #680? All I saw was, "Keep asking, you will not force me to betray uncc'd Ani."
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@Speedrace
While that's a good point, Croc didn't mention it in his justification, so I'm inclined to ignore this
Also, as Water pointed out, it was her mother who works as a nurse, not her.
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@oromagi
What about giving a justification that makes no sense whatsoever? Aren't those scumtells?Maybe. If I was playing scum I would type out my justification for my scum buddies first and say, "what do you think?" and no way would Croc's justification pass muster. Speed thinks there's a lot less collaboration in the mafia chat than I think so ....maybe he is scum and his partner's are just going, "dude"
But if he truly is what he says he is, then shouldn't it be easier for him to make a solid justification (all he has to do is read off of his PMs)?
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@RationalMadman
Keep asking, you will not force me to betray uncc'd Ani.
Answer my question. Why are you trying to justify Croc's role for him?
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@RationalMadman
I asked you if you could make any sense of Croc's justification for his doctor claim. You said you couldn't. But the comment before that you grabbed something from the wiki (something Croc never said himself) in an attempt to justify Croc's role connections with his (which Water pointed out applied to Ani's mother, not Ani). I'm now asking you why you did this.
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@Crocodile
Call it Crommunism, it sounds way cooler and you'll gain the support of many leftists
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@RationalMadman
Wait, why are you trying to justify Croc's role claim for him?
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@oromagi
croc's unforced declarations are (probably) bad play but they aren't a scum slip.croc voting for himself twice is (probably) bad play but that's not a scum slip
What about him asking User and RM to claim? What about giving a justification that makes no sense whatsoever? Aren't those scumtells?
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@WaterPhoenix
In some games they can, but in the majority they can't.
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@WaterPhoenix
Why would anyone in their right minds, playing as doctor, CC a fake doctor claim? That's suicide.
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@fauxlaw
The more money a nation produces, the less that each individual unit of money is worth. A nation can't just have more and more money forever, because their currency will become weaker and weaker, eventually making the currency itself worthless. That's a limiting factor.
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