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Also, I found this on mafiawiki:
One tactic used by the mafia is to claim doctor, especially when the first mafia is forced to claim when under pressure of lynch (they need to claim something). It is such a powerful claim that it may be more likely that claimed doctors are mafia than doctor. It's often used to draw out the real doctor. It's a difficult position for the Doctor to be in. Therefore, they often seem somewhat incoherent or indecisive. Someone will definitely not believe a doc claim, but be tight-lipped about why. It's a judgment call, but it's not too tough to spot.
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@RationalMadman
@oromagi
Ok, neither of you have responded to my questions (640 for RM, 643 for Oro). Please do so.
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@fauxlaw
You throw wiki at me as evidence of something? To me, who considers Wiki as it says of itself? Well, did you look at your source's world map of countries affected by inflation and that in 2019? The lowest, with other nations, in the world? USA. While socialist countries are at the worst. Hmmmm..... It's your source, bud.
No. You were saying that with ambition, planning, and execution, anyone could become wealthy (and thus make the country more prosperous). DD responded by saying that if everyone did that, things would not go as you say. You didn't believe this and asked him how that scenario would limit the money supply. I responded to that with a simple economic limit: inflation. Inflation would limit how much wealth could be generated, as the nation's assets are inherently limited.
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@oromagi
Just to ask again, you think people making scumslips means they look more town?
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@RationalMadman
But, you are an important person in keeping secrets and are trustworthy with your friends. You are the police in case crime comes. You are the Doctor.
I put out fires if they spring up or some shit like that. I keep secrets and shit like that. I'm the doctor.
Maybe I'm missing something, but how does "I keep secrets", "you are the police in case crime comes", and "I put out fires if they spring up or some shit like that" relate to the role of doctor?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
God help us...
God is dead, and we have killed him.
– Friedrich Nietzsche
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What about the dumb trolls?
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@fauxlaw
but if everyone applied themselves at the same time it would not turn out the same as you seem to suggest.There's a bold statement without a shred of evidence offered. Offer it,. demonstrating that it somehow limits the money supply.
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@3RU7AL
I suppose that there are merits to your system, though it will need some tweaking to make it relatively troll-safe.
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@Vader
Thank you good sir, now you have the funds to paint the Mona Licca 👌
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@Vader
THAT IS BOOTIFUL!!! The tornado must be coming from your genius creative brainstorms ;)
Here are the fruits of your artistic labor!
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@Vader
@WaterPhoenix
@BearMan
Apparently he's a cop, therefore he's a doctor. Also putting out fires has something to do with it as well (which would mean firefighter, although that is not a common role). We have the whole 9-1-1 gamut here lol
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@Crocodile
You put out fires, therefore you are the doctor?
You keep secrets, therefore you are the doctor?
The more you speak, the less cohesive you are.
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@Crocodile
bruh it had something to do with fires
???
What does fire have anything to do with your role, character, or the justifications you gave?
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@Crocodile
But how did you paraphrase "You are the police in case crime comes, therefore you are doctor." out of something that doesn't say that?
That is literally nonsensical.
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@Crocodile
It used to say something else.
What does this even mean? How can your own role description change?
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@3RU7AL
Ok, so you're saying that this civil debate rating is separate from the ELO, right?
In that case, it might work. But then there's the issue of overgiving points, if it will lead to a better reception for them.
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@Crocodile
Bearman knows I'm onto him, as I was trying to lead a lynch on him. He also knows I'm a doctor, and knows most doctors can't self save. Eliminating me will be his best chance of survival. No one is on to him but me, and his sheepherd like moves are a clear sign of noob mafia.
How did Bearman know you were doctor before you roleclaimed doctor?
I was on to RationalMadman as well, he was defending Ani as a character as he suspected her of a power role. He knew that people were on to him, and tried to flip suspicion on me, by defending me. He thought he could take me down, as he knew Ani would be a power role, and he also knew that Ani seems like an insane cop.
Wait, so him defending you means that he is scum? How is him defending you flipping suspicion onto you? I thought defending is the opposite of that. Didn't he say you were "confirmed town"?
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@Speedrace
Looking at Water's justification for Croc being godfather, and then looking at Croc's own justification for being doctor...
yeah
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@Crocodile
Plz answer #554 without any diversions, thanks
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@Crocodile
Also, doctor wouldn't flip flop on reads, demand others claim on DP1, and VTL themselves.
Also, you still haven't answered why you being killed would reveal RM and Bear being scum.
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@Crocodile
Scum would never claim doctor or reveal themselves so early.
Doctor would never claim doctor or reveal themselves so early.
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@ILikePie5
If there isn't a majority vote by the end of the day, what will happen?
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@oromagi
Wait, so are you saying Croc is town because of all the scumslips he made?
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@WaterPhoenix
A non-newb doctor would NOT play the way Croc played. How he played was pretty much the opposite of doctor.
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@WaterPhoenix
See post 529. If Croc was a noob, then his actions would be a little more justifiable for his role. But he's not.
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@Crocodile
I'm doctor.
If you're a doctor, then why, WHY would you character claim out of the blue (on DP1 no less)?
You've just opened yourself to mafia. You've given them such a big advantage by claiming, and allowed them to play mind games on you. Even if you can heal yourself each night, you've essentially wasted your role.
I don't buy this for one second. It seems like another attempt to trick town into backing off of their votes.
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@3RU7AL
While what you're describing (having an option where only the participants would be allowed to vote) is a good idea, in theory, it would never truly work in practice.
This is because that system would incentivize debaters giving nothing over to the other side since doing so would give them points, which would make the person who gives the points lose.
Say in a debate, there is an honest debater and one who is in it to win. The honest debater would give feedback and points for things that the other debater did well, fully expecting the other side to do the same. However, the other debater would give nothing, as giving points to the other side would be against their goal (to win). Thus, the dishonest person, which will further incentivize that behaviour.
As a result of this, more and more people will adopt the "give nothing" stance, eventually resulting in an equilibrium state where no one gives any points to the other side and all debates using that voting method will result in a tie.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
when has throwing money at problems ever worked? government housing? entitlements? more programs that make people dependant? you'll understand my skepticism about doing the same thing over and over which hasn't worked, not in the long run anyway."Plantation politics. Black people in the worst jobs, the worst housing. Police brutality rampant."But when the so-called black committeemen came around election time, we'd all line up and vote the straight Democratic ticket."Sell our souls for a Christmas turkey."I'm not interesting in bickering about context because the words apply and speak for themselves. Government money, entitlements and programs keep the blacks on the government plantations. Even Mr. Obama admitted it, believed it was accurate enough and true enough for his book.give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.you don't believe that statement to be true? what the left has always advocated and you seem to be, is just giving them more fish.with all the "black" programs and blacks only still isn't enough? you want to make more maybe? how about black only mortgages? black only lenders, that will fix it.
How is putting an end to discriminatory mortgages "throwing money at the problem"?
everything is a credit score so if you have something current which disproves that I'll read, not from 22 years ago.
Numerous quantitative studies have found that black and Latino borrowers over the past decade were frequently charged more for mortgage loans than similarly situated white borrowers (e.g. Bayer, Ferreira, and Ross, 2015; Been, Ellen, and Madar, 2009; Bocian et al., 2011; Courchane, 2007; Rugh, Albright, and Massey, 2015). Even after controlling for credit scores, loan to value ratios, the existence of subordinate liens, and housing and debt expenses relative to individual income, Bayer, Ferreira, and Ross (2015) found that black and Latino borrowers in all of the seven metropolitan areas they studied were significantly more likely to receive a high-cost loan than others. These results held for both low- and high-risk borrowers and regardless of age. Rugh, Albright, and Massey (2015) similarly found that black borrowers in Baltimore overall ended up paying five percent more for their mortgages than white borrowers, again controlling for credit scores and other background characteristics.
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@Vader
And talking about economic opportunities, I'd to recall the party that oppressed black people from becoming wealthy Jim Crow laws and enslaved them for 200 years. Oh yeah. Democrats.
You're forgetting the fact that Democrats and Republicans switched sides.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
While I don't think to end it completely would be an easy fix, putting a stop to discriminatory mortgaging practices is a definite first step.
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@WaterPhoenix
What really threw me off wasn't the sudden claim but the repeated hinting at a power role. With an established miller, this kind of play seems to be baiting the cops. Why would he want a cop to investigate him? Because he's the godfather. Reading up on the wiki, Ani is apparently very good at socially interacting, yet has a problem with lying:Ani often lies about her whereabouts in order to spend some free time pursuing her own hobbies and interests. However, this habit had made her into an unreliable narrator as she also lied to Clay and Jessica about her interactions with Bryce and to Deputy Standall during both of her interrogations.
Dang, I never actually thought about this. Excellent read.
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@Crocodile
Who else could it possibly be?
You said that your death would confirm them as scum. I'm asking you how that would be the case. You haven't responded.
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Tbh all I see right now is smoke and mirrors in a deliberate attempt to obfuscate the situation for town.
None of what Croc did makes any sense as Ani. In fact, it would be straight up ruinous for his wincon.
VTL Croc
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@Crocodile
Scum slip you say I'm voting myself when it's croc, you know we're both town, major slip
Which post are you referring to?
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@Vader
tbh that seems like a last-ditch effort to try and show town that he is town ("I AM WILLING TO DIE YAAAAAA!!!!")
I know I've done something like that when I was a newb. Problem is, he's not a newb.
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@Crocodile
How would your death let us know that they (RM and Bearman) are scum?
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@Crocodile
If RM or Bearman is mafia, and they kill me, we would automatically know it was them.
Wait, what? If you die during the night, how would we know that RM and Bearman are mafia?
If you lynch me, they know I'll turn up innocent. Then we would know mafia was them.
Again, how?
The dots don't connect here.
Also, why did you try to make User and RM claim in DP1?
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@simplybeourselves
Yeah. It was a bit too... sudden, and without any discernible reasons leading up to it.
Croc claims RM is scum because RM defended him? What?
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@RationalMadman
But here's the thing: Why did he claim his character seemingly out of the blue? If he is town confirmed, then he's just setting himself up for an NK.
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@simplybeourselves
I'd actually have to agree with you on this. If he's a town power role, he's basically already outed himself for mafia.
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