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@Mikal
Define
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Popular mafioso is 100 percent a think
Yeah but we also have Earth's cop check for Moozer in particular.
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@ILikePie5
@Mikal
This may have been pointed out already, but we know scum has the janitor, which means they can have at most one other confirmable role. Since Moozer's role is confirmed and Austin's is about to be, and both their roles are typically given to town, I think we can be pretty sure they are safe.
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@whiteflame
@Mikal
@AustinL0926
If the alternative is just to die by lynch, I’m fine just submitting a terrible answer to the survey and falling on that sword to confirm Austin’s role. Might as well give town something more from my death. Of course, that depends on everyone’s willingness to trust me, though I’d be the obvious lynch if I survive somehow.
I like this plan, I think it hedges our bets.
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@Mikal
You will confirm today on who we lynch
Did you not read what Austin said? There's no guarantee Austin survives and WF dies
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@AustinL0926
How strongly are you pushing for a WF flip? I'd prefer Mharman but WF is also in my POE - are your concerns just about his claim, or is there anything from today/yesterday I should go over again?
Here's what I said to WF in post #565:
One question that's been on my mind for a while: Why didn't WyIted use scum's fake role claim? I don't think soldier would be a fake claim, and WyIted was very clearly on the chopping block. I think the explanation that makes the most sense is that WyIted knew that scum would still be lynched that day even if he survived. You were the other person on the chopping block yesterday, and I think the scum team may have decided it was worth sacrificing WyIted so you could hopefully get more town cred the next day and use the fake claim. I think that's been a big cause for my suspicion, and without that context my suspicion toward your claim may seem unwarranted to you.
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@Mikal
@AustinL0926
Yes alsowhen scum already had two information-obscuring roles??????Did you just slip?
Big if true
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@Mharman
I’m at least going to interrogate Austin and Moozer a bit more this DP.
Go for it, probably a decent idea anyway since we have time.
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@AustinL0926
I think if WF is guilty, banana should be the top scum read. If he's innocent, Mharman should be the top scum read.
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I've played many games and screwed myself over because I thought "this is just like that one other game" and it wasn't because of context I ignored
I know this sounds like contradictory advice, but it's happened enough times that I think it's true as a general trend.
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@Mharman
@Mikal
Again I am not focusing on this but when he’s did this before it was because he did something that was going to result in the game getting fucked
I've played many games and screwed myself over because I thought "this is just like that one other game" and it wasn't because of context I ignored. Don't hyperfocus on one point. Moozer and Austin are strong town reads for other reasons. We can come back to this later, but neither of them are even close to suspicious enough to justify lynching them today.
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@Mikal
Luna jumped in because we asked him a question about the 8/9 thing. Was he supposed to not answer?
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@Mikal
Am I making sense to you? Or am I crazy
You do, but I think that one singular point isn't as solid as maybe you are assuming? My sus on WF is based on a lot of factors, one being the whole WyIted debacle I mentioned in my previous post. Even though I agree with your overall conclusion, I think it's important to look at that context and not just focus on the claim itself.
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@Lunatic
My vote for who to give the item to:
First choice: Mikal
Second choice: Austin
Third choice: Moozer
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@whiteflame
One question that's been on my mind for a while: Why didn't WyIted use scum's fake role claim? I don't think soldier would be a fake claim, and WyIted was very clearly on the chopping block. I think the explanation that makes the most sense is that WyIted knew that scum would still be lynched that day even if he survived. You were the other person on the chopping block yesterday, and I think the scum team may have decided it was worth sacrificing WyIted so you could hopefully get more town cred the next day and use the fake claim. I think that's been a big cause for my suspicion, and without that context my suspicion toward your claim may seem unwarranted to you.
You could very well be town, you tend to play well as either alignment, but of the scum pool right now your lynch gives us the most information, and I'm not really convinced that anyone else is definitely scum either (odds seem roughly equal to me between you, Mharman, and ana). Hope that makes sense.
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@Mharman
if my vote is being commandeered it throws the ideas I just had out the window
Oh yeah good point.
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@Mikal
What do you think of banana basically disappearing after the attention moved off her?
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I do feel bad for WF being called out on everything, but it is a utility lynch.
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@Mikal
The initial ima vote myself and rageThen backtracking on it after he was called outHe has a cop on top of other cops that were given (I have a reason to be sus of this. I have an item)And he saw Ana visit you. So if he is town, you didn’t die, and you didn’t have something interfere with your action , it verifies her
Ok fair enough
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@Lunatic
Do we vote publicly or in PMs? I mean I know the mafia probably use PMs.
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Ok, anyone who hasn't voted Moozer yet, if you come online, lmk you are available. Then I can approve you to vote Moozer. But don't vote until I do.
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@ILikePie5
@Mikal
@AustinL0926
@Moozer325
I think banana is who I want to ultimately lynch today. I like whiteflame's reads and attitude. I also think Mharman made a lot of fair points. But I feel like not posting for this long is a bit opportunistic, like banana is hoping the attention will move off her.
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@Mharman
If you vote Moozer, I'll be the fifth vote and then unvote.
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@FishChaser
This is some of the best stuff you've written.
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@ILikePie5
@Mikal
You two argue this out. I do think Mikal said he'd defer to you if he doesn't convince you.
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@ILikePie5
I town read him though, more than I town read you
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@ILikePie5
7-2 right nowLynch WF it’s 5-2Lynch Mikal it’s 3-2Use politician, scum have 3 votesAssuming both are town
Why would we lynch Mikal if he tells us everything tomorrow and he's telling the truth?
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@Moozer325
Town has the numbers advantage right now. We can afford to take this chance. It's not like Mikal can end the game in one night.
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@ILikePie5
If Mikal and WF are both town we auto lose if Earth has the politician
How?
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@Moozer325
The fact that you're just expecting us to blindly trust you makes me scum-read you more.
Mikal is claiming he can solve the game and we can lynch him tomorrow if he's lying after he tells us everything. Also, revealing the plan to scum will likely ruin it. Either Mikal is scum and we lynch him tomorrow, or he's town and has a very good plan.
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@AustinL0926
You and only you should add a vote to Moozer. Then I will hammer when I get the chance.
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@ILikePie5
If scum have the politician, then we lynch Earth
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@ILikePie5
We can lynch him if he doesn't tell all tomorrow. Give him the benefit of the doubt today so scum doesn't catch on.
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@Mharman
Off my read. Don’t forget that.
Not with your vote though.
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@Mharman
If you mislynch me, I can’t help you.
Well you could help us. If you don't engage in blatant anti town behavior, we might lynch ana or whiteflame.
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@Mharman
Even if you're town and vote for Pie, the rest of us can still ensure Mikal gets it.
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