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@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
Don't know why you'd post a vote on yourself since it's automatically placed on the lynch.
See these are the things from Austin that come off as manipulative and scummy to me. And I've seen more of them in this day phase than I'd like.
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@WyIted
Why are you not placing your vote?
Just saw this, and I'm not about to hammer now unless we get close to the deadline.
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@WyIted
If you're going to lynch me, do it this day phase.
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@Earth
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
Here are my reads at the moment.
Town
WyIted
Pie
Greyparrot
Lean Town
Casey
Null
whiteflame
Earth
Lean Scum
Vader
Austin
Heavily doubt both Vader and Austin are scum, but they both have the highest probability of being scum imo, Austin moreso. I'm tagging Earth because he's been inactive even for him, and I'd like to get his input on me vs. Austin.
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@AustinL0926
Savant scumslipped here btw by admitting that it is, even when he doesn't townread me.
I said "even if." That's is not a scum slip and you know it. Another "reaction test"?
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@Greyparrot
@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
At this point, I'm claiming. I'm roleblocker.
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@Casey_Risk
What makes you so sure about this, Savant?
Pie's intuition in previous games. Austin claiming a gambit changes this dynamic though. Right now it's him or Vader imo.
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It's not towny to force a dichotomy.
I said we had two good lynch targets, lynching either of you would give information and be better than random chance. I said "Of course Pie could be wrong and erroneously confident and we have two townies going against each other, but Pie's intuition has been good before." But I did not think it was likely a town v town fight. Why would I be accounting for it being some weird gambit from you? Face it, even if it was a reaction test, that's not a usual town v town conflict. Hence why I did not recognize it as one.
It's especially not towny to say you'll lynch me and then lynch Pie WHEN I flip town lol.
I did not say "when" in that post. I said "if" a lot though.
I'd love to hear the scum agenda behind me townreading my biggest pusher.
First thing I answered in my last post.
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@AustinL0926
I would love to hear the scum agenda behind me townreading my biggest pusher.
To get him off your back now that the tide is turning against me. You know he's not about to be lynched, so may as well have him on your side.
Activity is non-alignment-indicative, in general.
It is when someone's been scum read and they dip as soon as attention is elsewhere. That's way different from someone like Earth not posting much.
you pushing lynches of us back-to-back is not a good look.
Pie's intuition has rarely failed, and I had a strong feeling your accusation did not come from genuine concern. I mentioned your behavior multiple times. Now you come out and admit you were lying about your true intentions. Maybe you're not scum, but am I supposed to see you probably lying and attribute that to town?
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@AustinL0926
Also ftr Pie is obvious town.
So in other words, I was right to lean toward trusting him over you? I'm being scum read for not trusting the accusation you admit you completely made up?
Also, this is a ton of backtracking from you. Pie accused you first. That's not the time to start lying. Whenever you've been scum before, you usually ended up flipping on something and saying it was all part of a master plan. One time was when you claimed you were miller and had been hiding it for some reason. There was a game a long time go when whiteflame was accusing you and you changed your role claim in an attempt to get him off your back. You've done similar gambits as town like the supersaint, but those are usually confirmable.
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@AustinL0926
his recent posts speak for themselves
You're not at all suspicious about Vader completely disappearing after someone other than him got accused?
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@AustinL0926
my reaction test
I don't know if you're scum or not, but lol no. You are not L Lawliet and you did not plan this five steps ahead. Calling this a "reaction test" retroactively to sound smart just makes you more suspicious.
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Also, Vader was online like 5 hours after Austin null read him.
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Whereas if he was town, I think he'd want to give his thoughts on Pie vs. Austin.
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@Greyparrot
I think pie and austin are town
If that's true, I find it a bit sus that Vader was accused and then dipped out of the game as soon as Austin null read him and accused Pie. If he was scum, it would be smart to depart as soon as the spotlight was off him.
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@Greyparrot
literally wtf...choose your words better
Austin hammers anyone t L-1, no?
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I didn't love that post, either.
This doesn't confirm whiteflame who acts pretty similar as town and scum, but it confirms my thoughts on WyIted. There was a game a while back where I made a similar post, WyIted immediately accused me, and whiteflame somewhat agreed with his analysis but wasn't totally convinced. (Pretty sure we were both town.) That's enough to line up WyIted's behavior now with his behavior as town.
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Pretty sure WyIted is town at this point. If he is, the post I made is exactly the thing that would get him to accuse me (not sure he would think to derail the lynch like he's doing if he was scum). Wish I could say this was a test for him, but it wasn't.
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No one else vote unless you want to risk lynching me given Austin's role. That said, if someone other than GP or WyIted wants me to claim, I will.
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@WyIted
Savant is quite obviously scum..It's ridiculously clear.
Oh, you.
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
@WyIted
Ok, I was going to say if scum had to claim investigative, then informed would be an easy fakeclaim. But for passive it makes a lot of sense.
After reading recent posts, I lean toward believing Pie. I get that Pie is sort of misrepresenting what Austin said, but he tends to be pretty aggressive as town, so I think it's more about vibes or what he thought Austin was implying. Also, I don't know if Austin would be zeroing in on one discrepancy as town; I think a townie would look for more than one way to support their innocence, while a scum player would be more inclined to zero in on a single mistake.
I could also see how Pie might be scum, but given that we have two good lynch targets, getting either of them is probably a victory for town.
Austin also says "I don't mind being used as the test for Grey confirming his role." If he's town, he doesn't really need to specify that, since if we lynch him and he's innocent we've already agreed on doing that. But if he's scum, he needs to bluff and make it seem like he's not afraid of being lynched. The line just comes off to me as trying too hard not to seem desperate, and through that lens he just seems more defensive here. A town Austin doesn't have much to lose since if he's confirmed he can get Pie tomorrow, who he's pretty sure is scum. (And if we lynch Pie instead, GP will likely die and lose his ability anyway.) Pie will be aggressive either way here since that's just how he is.
Tagging Austin in this even though it's likely going to lead to a huge back and forth, but this is where I'm at right now.
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@ILikePie5
I realized if all you have is one-time info, it would be good to have WyIted change your role. But we'd need to somehow be confident you are town, which is unlikely rn.
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@ILikePie5
Just to be clear, you are investigative role?
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@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
Ok I'm going to read all this again. My inclination right now is that if Pie is very sure about a scum slip, then he's either scum or Austin is. Of course Pie could be wrong and erroneously confident and we have two townies going against each other, but Pie's intuition has been good before.
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@Greyparrot
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
Austin's reads seem pretty reasonable to me, which makes me town read him as well. Only thing I'd shift is maybe Earth, who seems pretty neutral to me. But that's barely any difference.
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Humans create math, humanity is god in world of numberz ,
Embrace self, math-self is true self !
All humanity , muslims , nonbelievers, u should embrace religion of numberz.
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Monopolies
I would say monopolies are bad for the economy,
Though I could understand the argument that free trade should be allowed.
Myself I would say there should be some restrictions for the sake of fairness.
. . . Capitalism could still exist I suppose,
Though I am sympathetic to market socialism.
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@whiteflame
Yeah, it still wastes time if he's town. Just saying.
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@ILikePie5
Wait just saw your info. Yeah, seems only helpful to town to reveal.
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
I just realized. If Pie is informed, then lynching him is zero risk because even if he becomes vanilla, we still have the information.
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@ILikePie5
I have information based on my role that will be very useful to town; I will wait to disclose till everyone comments.
Tbh, seems like we're revealing a lot for day 1. It's my inclination to try and put everything on the table, but I think we probably shouldn't give scum too much to work with.
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@Castin
If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.
Old Testament is meant to be confusing. For comparison, I'd he hesitant to start reading into the value of hands or testicles based on something like that.
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@Castin
univocality is rejected by basically every critical scholar and historian in the academic field of biblical studies
A claim like this really needs a source. But if it's true, I assume it's because assume most scholars aren't fundamentalist Christians and thus don't hold fundamentalist Christian beliefs. I don't think most Christians are even fundamentalists.
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@AustinL0926
I don't like Vader's behavior, feels like he's trying to set up a scumread on me early.
It did feel a bit like he was trying to scum read you while putting the accusation entirely on me. I honestly wasn't sure what his implication was at first and I wasn't saying I scum read you, but then he kept name-dropping me when saying you could be scum. Been a while since I've seen Vader's behavior though, and it's possible he just misunderstood me, so I can't say for sure it's scummy of him.
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@WyIted
I could see WyIted's role being scum, in which case it's in his best interest to claim early and build trust. If WyIted's role is town, I'm not sure why he would reveal it so early.
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@Vader
I am a bit skeptical of Austin's choice.
Is that a scum read? Or you're just questioning his judgment?
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@ILikePie5
Thoughts? You're usually the one who starts out making accusations.
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@WyIted
We should absolutely test this if somebody wants to claim a negative utility
I'd start with someone we think is likely scum. Lynching scum day 1 is a huge advantage.
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@Greyparrot
Use it the first chance you get, otherwise scum is likely to kill you. Takes one option off the table for them.
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@Greyparrot
Can you use your role the day they are lynched?
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@Greyparrot
Yes, probably role prevention, manipulation, or voting.
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@Casey_Risk
Some roles seem pretty unlikely to be mafia. Like talking to any person at night. I don't see Luna going that far to try and throw us off.
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@Casey_Risk
Mostly it was because I thought the other roles were very unlikely mafia. Thinking back though I think there might be some mafia voting roles. Really depends how confirmable they are.
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@Casey_Risk
simply by being a part of the mafia, you can kill. I suppose the setup could be such that the killing role is assigned to specifically one player as long as they're alive, but I don't think we can assume that.
I was thinking along the lines of strongman. I guess voting could be mafia, but something like communication seems like it would be more useful to town if it's confirmable. I don't think mafia would get neg utility or passive since they only have two members.
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Wait I missed one. Here's updated list:
1. Protective
2. Investigative
3. Voting
4. Communication (if confirmable)
5. Passive
6. Negative Utility
7. Role Prevention
8. Killing
9. Manipulation
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
@Casey_Risk
If I had to guess, "Manipulation" and "Killing" are probably mafia categories. If we all claim, we might be able to single them out that way.
Anyway, here's a list imo from most likely town to most likely mafia:
1. Protective
2. Investigative
3. Voting
4. Passive
5. Negative Utility
6. Passive
7. Role Prevention
8. Killing
9. Maniputlation
Only nonconfirmable town roles that mafia could claim are passive and negative utility. This might be an easy win.
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