Total posts: 4,276
Posted in:
There's no way Pie would have challenged anyone other than Mharman if he was town.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@whiteflame
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
So Pie is obviously scum at this point. If someone's a vigilante, kill him. The power is probably only 1x though so you know who to lynch tomorrow.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
If you challenge a confirmable player, we are going to assume you are scum. (More than we do already, that is.)
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@whiteflame
Well, Pie lied about his role. Pretty sure he will challenge you or me.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@WyIted
Lol. This will be hilarious whether or not Pie is scum.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@WyIted
Would you have voted if Pie hadn't challenged you like that?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Barney
@whiteflame
@WyIted
I'm pretty sure Pie is lying about being super saint. Just in case, Barney is probably the best choice to hammer since he isn't confirmed. Even if Barney is town, it might avoid a mislynch later on.
That said, I don't think Pie is a super saint.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
Super saint is such a desperate fake claim at this point.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Barney
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
Just a warning that Pie is at L-1. Pie, probably a good time to full claim.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
@Mharman
In Invincible, the hints were about characters, and he specifically mentions the theme as a reason for the hints. None f that indicates he'd hint to scum that cop is an available fake claim.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@420-1776
This is a satire account.
Didn't take you long to immediately break character. What's the point of trolling, if not to fool people?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
@Mharman
Tbf, if scum were given hints, that does make the cop claim a bit less safe. But it's still ballsy, and I wouldn't risk killing a cop today.
I know I’m town and the lynch was between me and WF
You didn't consider that a possible cop might be more valuable alive than you? You didn't fight tooth and nail try to steer the lynch somewhere else? Voting WF at the point made little sense.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Casey_Risk
Please, I don't need to be constantly pinged.
Sry about that.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
Here’s a question: what information do you get if I flip town?
It means I will strongly consider your reads on D_D and Mharman. Also it puts me on the chopping block tomorrow, which you should be happy about.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
@Mharman
Scum Pie would’ve loved to lynch a Town Cop.
That's exactly what scum Pie tried to do. Thanks for confessing.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Barney
@whiteflame
@Discipulus_Didicit
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
Mharman says enough about "reading between the lines" that I think we can hold him to later. So I would like to stay on Pie, as we don't lose much from lynching him. He should know better than to make a lot of the slips he's made so far.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mharman
Ok nvm, I though I'd caught a scum slip there.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mharman
No he didn't. What line makes you think he gave hints to scum?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mharman
Scum team has hints about what to claim
How do you know this? Luna didn't say that.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mharman
Scum team has hints about what to claim
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
Mharman was also doing a lot of the things I sussed Pie for, and given his scumreading me earlier and buddying me now, I don't feel great about him either. Pie, if you want to go after him, I will consider it, but I'd want more input from someone confirmable like WF or WyIted before I make a final decision.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
ask yourselves this: neither Disc nor Mharman have even asked me for my claim
Why aren't you voting them if you suspect them? If you are town, your logic is just not making sense.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
neither Disc nor Mharman have even asked me for my claim. It’s just a lynch Pie and be done with it.
Yeah, because we all know you could claim right now and have the possibility of stopping the train. But we're pretty fine killing you if you don't.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@WyIted
Whiteflame and I have claimed we are confirmable and will get heat in later day phases if we don't confirm, so it's pretty unlikely that we are scum. Your townreads are rarely off, according to you, so that means you should suspect Mharman or Pie at least of being scum. That's a 50/50 shot to start with. But I can do better than that.
1. Pie claims he wanted to VTNL due to 420's death, but he was defending that idea well before. Also having one less town member doesn't suddenly make VTNLing a great idea. Healing roles and other factors mean we don't know to a certainty how many lynches we have, so we may not have to VTNL at all. Furthermore, lynching is our only way of getting scum, and the longer we wait, the less town members we have, and the more scum can influence the voting.
2. Pie attacked the guard tower as an investigative role and used this as a reason to sus WF, but this is far outweighed by the fact that WF claimed cop very early on. He was sussing WF even before he knew there was a possible counterclaim. The only logical response as town would be to defend WF until he saw a very strong counterclaim.
3. He switched up on whiteflame, going from not wanting to lynch to wanting to lynch, without much good reason. Seemed like a desperate scum move to expand POE.
Mharman is honestly kind of sus too for saying that claiming cop is scummy, but maybe he was influenced by Pie or is just not as familiar with the roles.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Barney
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
Math says the best option is No Lynching here
No it doesn't. Math says we can only lynch x number of times, but it says nothing about when we should vote. This is a swingy game, and we have no idea what scum might or might not be capable of. That's why we need to lynch a scum today.
Also, you were talking about a VTNL well before 420 was modkilled.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Barney
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
it was still a stretch for a Guard Post to be a Cop
This seems lie a desperate made up reason to sus someone, especially when the focus should be on the fact that a cop claim was made at all. You probably asked for WF's justification because you were going to sus it no matter what.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Barney
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
Let me get this straight, Pie. There are really no people you would be comfortable lynching right now? And if there are, you're not willing to fight tooth and nail to get them lynched over a VTNL? You're usually pretty aggressive, so I wouldn't expect you to want to VTNL. That is, unless you are scum and have been cornered with no other out.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mharman
@WyIted
Another thing I noticed is that Pie was sussing WF even before WyIted's sort-of-counterclaim.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Barney
@whiteflame
@Mharman
@Discipulus_Didicit
@WyIted
Vote analysis matters.
Ok, so this reminds me of the last game when Pie was scum, and I asked if he wanted to do a 1v1 lynch trade since he was "99.9% sure" I was scum. He derailed that by going on a long speech about how he wants to meet his win condition and getting lynched wouldn't help him do that. Obviously, everyone wants to meet their win condition, but he was missing the point of my argument.
The point is, Pie tends to say obvious and vague things as scum (like "vote analysis matters") to cover for suboptimal decisions like VTNL. We can still do vote analysis without VTNL, and in this case not lynching favors scum.
If Pie says something obvious and condescending in response to a behavioral read instead of addressing the actual issue, be suspicious!
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mharman
It just seems to me that there's little reason to VTNL. We want scum to be under pressure and at least fear the possibility of being lynched until the end of the day phase, and VTNL will just be the default if we don't lynch someone. No reason to end the day phase early and remove pressure on scum just to do what would happen by default anyway.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@ILikePie5
Who instantly sussed him earlier today? Savant.
See now you're just proving my point about trying to turn us against each other. I said he wasn't a safe town read, not that he was scum.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@WyIted
Then explain why you think this?
Yeah I misphrased that. I mean the day phase is going to end today (in just a few hours). We still need five votes for a majority, so plz at least pressure Pie for a role.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@whiteflame
Suppose the original setup had been 6 town against 2 scum. Would you want to VTNL on day 1?
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@whiteflame
The game is going to end today.
Sorry I said that wrong. I mean the day phase. But "the day is going to end today" sounds weird, so I flubbed it.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@whiteflame
@Mharman
@Discipulus_Didicit
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
The game is going to end today. We need votes on Pie sooner rather than later. If everyone who says they were willing to vote for Pie actually follows through, we can get him.
Created:
Posted in:
420 is going to be modkilled. If not we have no reason to lynch someone who probably copy-pasted their PM.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mharman
@WyIted
I am also fine lynching literally anyone opposed to a no lynch
Cool, lynch Pie
Looks like Pie and his teammate are getting what they want.
Vote against Pie. No reason to vote for no lynch since that will happen anyway if we don't lynch someone.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@whiteflame
You should be voting Pie rn if you want to save yourself. I'm legitimately concerned about our cop getting lynched.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@WyIted
Well it's going to be 2 or 3 town players dead. I'd rather have a chance of getting scum, and Pie just voted for WF, removing the one reason I possibly had to town read him.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@WyIted
No, lynch Pie. A mod kill means we really can't afford to wait.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Discipulus_Didicit
I'm fine going after Pie. His behavior rubbed me wrong from the start, and your behavior makes a lot more sense going back and reading WyIted's sort-of-counterclaim.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@Mharman
@Discipulus_Didicit
@WyIted
Hey, Wylted! You're the Big Boss of the Clan, baby! Every night, you can grab some schmuck and make 'em part of your crew. If they got the stones to join, they get an invite to your private little clubhouse on Discord, where you can shoot the breeze and plot all night long.
Ugh, that does seem pretty similar, which makes WF less safe. I'd still rather not lynch him day 1, and the Pie train is gaining some traction, so there may be something there.
VTL Pie
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@WyIted
Could be Mharman and Discipulus_Didicit
Created:
Posted in:
Unless it's an exact match, I'd be hesitant to call it one. Luna did not say anything about allowing scum to ask about roles, and I doubt a player as risk-averse as WF would claim cop as scum.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@WyIted
"I might have a sort of cc" is just too vague.
Created:
Posted in:
-->
@WyIted
Oh wait I did miss that. What is your CC?
Created: