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@Greyparrot
That reads like it was copy-pasted.
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@whiteflame
Lunatic confirmed it wouldn't work anyway, so no need to worry. Just an interesting thought.
But maybe I knew it wouldn't work and I am a scum player bluffing. The plot thickens...
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@JoeBob
I mean, scum could tell Lunatic "actually I want to use a different account this time" via PMs. But maybe we would know if they did that.
Also I'm not sure Discord has a "last online" feature. I saw something online that made me think it did, but I'm not able to find one.
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@whiteflame
@JoeBob
It might still work if we can confirm everyone's Discord handle. Here it goes:
Everyone updates their Discord status to show when they were last active. During the night phase, everyone except JoeBob stays logged out of their Discord account. JoeBob looks at when they were last online at the end of the night phase and confirms that no players were logged in during the night. Without logging into Discord, the scum cannot kill anyone. Town can't use our abilities either, but it's a small price to pay to prevent scum from killing at night. If someone does die at night, JoeBob looks at who was logged in during the night and that player is confirmed scum.
The only flaw might be if scum players lie about their Discord handle, but maybe there's a way to confirm they are lying depending on how Discord communications work. Maybe we are allowed to communicate via Discord during the day, but only via our primary accounts. Also, Lunatic might decide this strategy is against the rules.
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@Lunatic
Just want to confirm, rules are that scum must PM you from their account during the night phase in order to kill someone?
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@whiteflame
@JoeBob
Do scum say who they will kill via DART PMs? If so, I have a genius strategy to out the scum that may or may not be allowed.
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What the customer asked for: Mechanical Engineering
What the analyst designed: Film Studies
How the business consultant described it: Computer Science
What operations installed: Gender Studies
What the customer asked for: Margaret Atwood
What the analyst designed: Hillary Clinton
How the business consultant described it: Susan B. Anthony
What operations installed: Amber Heard
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@JoeBob
Not saying you aren't skilled, but appointing an unconfirmed skilled player to lead the town could backfire if they are scum, since they would be skilled at tricking the town into making bad decisions.
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A game based on this cartoon. The "customer" asks for something. The "analyst" designs something inferior to what the customer asked for. "Operations" installs something inferior to what the analyst described. Anyone can submit some version of this process or take the role of the customer and ask for something, allowing others to respond as the designer or as operations with inferior versions of what the previous player described. Similar to "we have [x] at home" or Google vs. Bing memes. Each example is a variation on the same punchline. The rules are not strict, so one can add additional steps to the process.
I'll give several more examples to start. Obviously, these are jokes:
What the customer asked for: Dune (2024)
What the analyst designed: Dune (1984)
What operations installed: The Rise of Skywalker
What the customer asked for: Return of the King
What the analyst designed: The Battle of Five Armies
What operations installed: Rings of Power
What the customer asked for: King David
What the analyst designed: King Solomon
What operations installed: Benjamin Netanyahu
What the customer asked for: John F. Kennedy
What the analyst designed: Bill Clinton
How the business consultant described it: Franklin D. Roosevelt
What operations installed: Joe Biden
What the customer asked for: Karl Marx
What the analyst designed: Vladimir Lenin
How the business consultant described it: John Maynard Keynes
What operations installed: Joseph Stalin
What the customer asked for: Milton Friedman
What the analyst designed: Ayn Rand
How the business consultant described it: Adam Smith
What operations installed: Ben Shapiro
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@JoeBob
Since you are confirmed town, you want to lead things?
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Ironic how her entire channel is her fishing for compliments...
After the tenth video with people saying "no, you're perfect," she had to realize what she was doing.
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@Best.Korea
you dont know what to say as a response
Thank them or compliment them back.
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the banning of this app is unconstitutional
We all know how much the CCP supports free speech.
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@RationalMadman
Your article makes it clear this is a male prostitute whose father is named Andrew.
That's a headline I didn't expect to read today.
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@TheUnderdog
It is a contradiction to treat undocumented immigrants worse than murderers.
Life hack: The undocumented immigrant should just murder someone. Then they will have their expenses paid for by whatever government imprisons them.
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@Swagnarok
politically motivated lawsuits
Yep. At some point, people have to realize that charges against someone look really suspicious if you only care about them when said person is running for office.
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Apologize for the questions I wasn't able to get to, but a dozen is a lot and I didn't want to scare him off.
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@Greyparrot
@Mall
@Dr.Franklin
@Benjamin
@ADreamOfLiberty
Responses are in!
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@Swagnarok
@RationalMadman
@zedvictor4
@Bones
@Best.Korea
Responses are in!
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Huemer got back to me. The questions I sent are in bold, followed by Huemer's reponses in plaintext.
1. In many common conceptions of an anarcho-capitalist society, people can act collectively if they choose to do so. They can create a community and agree on rules. They can pass that land to their kids under the condition that their kids follow those same rules. What is the difference between doing that on a micro-scale with a neighborhood and just at a nation-state level?
I am unsure what you mean by "the difference". Is the question about important differences between HOA's and governments?
HOA's are a real phenomenon, which has actually arisen voluntarily. Nation-sized HOA's, however, have not voluntarily arisen, nor is there any plausible way that that would happen. So that is one difference between HOA's and national governments.
Another interesting difference is that real HOA's face meaningful competition. If a person does not like the rules of one HOA, it is very easy to avoid that HOA and live in another neighborhood or housing complex. This does not require leaving behind one's family, friends, job, and culture; learning a new language; or getting the permission of some other nation-state. This makes competition among HOAs much more meaningful than competition among national governments.
I am not sure, but I think the question may have been suggesting that the people in one generation can create rules that restrict the use of their land for all future generations. I think this is not legitimate. I think any future generation would be free to alter the rules of the HOA or even to abolish the HOA, and earlier generations cannot do anything to prevent this.
2. What should (not does but should) stop individuals from committing crimes?
Every individual should voluntarily respect the rights of others due to their understanding of morality. However, if (as is the case in all known societies) some individuals refuse to respect the rights of others, then someone else (such as private protection agencies) should deploy force to stop the rights-violators.
3. If someone got sick from a meal or beverage, as it had different ingredients from what was displayed in the packaging, how (other than virtue signaling and boycotting) could they achieve retribution and deter companies from continuing this practice?
The individual could bring a lawsuit against the manufacturer. The plaintiff and the defendant would go to one of the private arbitration firms to have their dispute resolved. The private justice system is described at greater length in chapter 11 of The Problem of Political Authority, https://www.amazon.com/dp/1137281650/.
However, in real capitalist societies, lawsuits over product disputes are very rare, because companies almost always resolve customer complaints satisfactorily without a lawsuit (also because lawsuits in the current system are extremely expensive). I have virtually never had a company refuse to fix a problem. Indeed, empirically, companies bend over backwards to accommodate even unreasonable customer demands.
This particular scenario is also particularly improbable. Companies do not generally poison their customers. No business plan starts with, "Step 1: Feed our customers stuff that makes them vomit..."
4. Any given community would presumably have disputes with other communities, not only with lowlife criminals and small terrorist groups. So you'd need a standing army to defend your community, unless you first eradicated war entirely, which somehow sounds far more implausible than even anancap. Now then, having standing armies around, or else be occupied by the standing armies of other communities, what is going to prevent them from ending the anarchy by pulling out a little something called a military coup for their own benefit?
I have never had a dispute with another community. I have lived in several different neighborhoods in my life. None of them has ever had a dispute with another neighborhood. I am not sure what sort of dispute this question is imagining. However, if your HOA somehow has a dispute with another HOA, they would resolve that by going to arbitration, just as in the case of any other dispute. They would not raise an army and declare a war. If my HOA board somehow gets filled with crazy people and declares that we're going to attack the condominium building across the street, I am not joining that war. And neither, I believe, will any of my neighbors.
5. What are your thoughts on the brain drain that occurs by America stealing all of the brightest minds out of 3rd world locations? For example, if Javier Milie and his supporters had immigrated to the United States, they would currently not be in Argentina fixing their society.
Human beings own their own brains, and they have their own lives to live. They are not resources at the disposal of other people. You can't force someone to live somewhere they don't want to be just so that the people there can extract value from them. That's a form of slavery.
It's also extremely harmful to the world. If Sergei Brin had been forced to spend his life in Russia, Google would not exist. He would not have somehow overthrown Putin and converted Russia into a liberal, capitalist democracy; his life would just have been wasted. Of course, Brin is an outlier in terms of talent. But the qualitative point applies widely: the overwhelming majority of people can realize their potential vastly better in a society such as the U.S. than they can in a Third World nation. In some cases, the amount of value one can produce may be thousands of times greater.
6. How do asymmetric regimes affect the immigration issue? For example, the WTO makes free trade largely reciprocal and limits the scope of trade wars between member states. But there's no agreement of this kind for immigration. If Country A restricts the flow of migrants from Country B, is it acceptable for Country B to have an equivalent policy toward citizens of Country A?
If you learn that one of your neighbors recently beat up one of the neighborhood kids, is it okay for you to beat up another kid, in order to achieve symmetry? No; two wrongs don't make a right. If country A commits a rights-violation, this is not fixed by country B committing another rights violation against someone else.
In reality, immigration pressure between pairs of countries is mostly one-directional. It barely matters if Mexico prohibits Americans from migrating to Mexico, because hardly anyone would want to do so. It's still a rights-violation, but a relatively small one.
Taking into account, in addition, that immigration benefits the receiving country, the question is a little bit like: "If my neighbor shoots himself in the foot, should I shoot myself in the foot too?"
7. In regards to laws regarding immigration, there's been talks I've heard of a wall around the borders to strengthen that security just like having a fence up around perhaps your residential property in the name of security, why does this not suffice as an ethical justification?
Anyone may put a fence around their own property. But they may not put a fence around other people's property. Donald Trump doesn't own America, nor do the 535 clowns in Congress, nor does the government. So they may not put a fence around it. In general, you can choose not to interact with some group of people if you don't want to, but you cannot declare that no one else in your society may do so.
It seems, by the way, that many people are unaware that there is already fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border, across all of the likely crossing points. That was built during the Bush administration, long ago.
8. Since 2019, literally all employment growth has gone to immigrants. Is this evidence that immigration reduces employment and saturates the US economy?
Oh no! Immigrants are doing productive work to support themselves? At the same time, more native-born Americans are sitting around in their parents' basements watching porn? Clearly this shows how diabolical the immigrants are.
In seriousness, no, there is no phenomenon of "saturating" an economy. There isn't a maximum amount of work that can be done; the amount of work increases with the population. That's why, when the population doubles, you don't wind up with 50% unemployment.
Concerns about employment are particularly misplaced at a time (like now) when the unemployment rate is within half a point of the lowest it has been in the last 70 years.
Granted, the people who just decided that they don't want to work aren't included (you have to be seeking work to count as "unemployed"). But if Americans don't want to work, that's hardly the fault of immigrants.
9. The universe: chance or purpose?
No one knows why the universe is here or why the Big Bang happened. If it has a purpose, that purpose isn't apparent (it doesn't act as if it has any purpose that we can discern), but that doesn't show that it doesn't have one.
It probably isn't merely chance, though. That is, there is probably some good explanation of why the universe is here, whether or not that involves someone's purpose.
10. I have seen your list of favorite bible verses. Do you have any favorite Quran verses you would like to share as well?
Here are three scary Quran quotes:
Sura 4:34: "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
5:38: "As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise."
9:5: "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush."
11. What are your views on Uncle Ted (Kaczynski) being seen as a folk hero by many?
That shows the insanity of our culture.
12. Could animals be philosophical zombies? If possible, could this be used as an ethical justification for eating meat?
You can't conclusively prove that animals are conscious, so it's theoretically possible that they are zombies. You also can't conclusively prove that any other people are conscious, so it's theoretically possible that other people are zombies too. But this theoretical possibility doesn't make it morally permissible to torture a person; nor does it make it permissible to torture an animal.
13. You have argued that many current government restrictions, such as gun control, are unjustified. Many people on our platform would like to debate with you on this to understand your positions better. Would you be interested in a text-based debate on our platform with one of our top users? I understand that you are very busy and have many commitments, so we could set the time for each argument to 1 or 2 weeks so that there is less time pressure.
I'd rather not, as I feel that I've done enough for now.
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@RationalMadman
I was first
I think Rick Astley has you beat by 37 years.
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@JoeBob
After rereading Wylted's comments, I think the jester is the same as the clown, so Argentina might be a red herring. Barney is clearly involved, but I'm not sure what the other clues are hinting at. Clearly the pork/Israel/Jewish clues are supposed to mean something, but I've not no idea if that connects to Barney somehow.
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@JoeBob
Javier Milei is ethnically Jewish, and one of Wylted's clues was "Who is in Argentina?" He's talked about Milei before, but Wylted tends to think favorably about him. Another was "Why is he acting Jewish?" He also makes references to "their ideology." I don't see anything from whiteflame, so maybe Milei is the jester. The clown might be Barney, since I think they are separate from the jester.
I'm not sure how we're supposed to "kill" the jester though.
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@JoeBob
Knowing Wylted, the pork clue probably indicates that the jester is Jewish or Muslim. Maybe whiteflame.
Another clue: "there is a reason why I have been forced to change my position on Israel and be more pro Israel." Whiteflame has defended Israel in other debates.
"There is a reason I have been more antagonistic towards the Muslims on the site." So not Muslim.
That's assuming that the jester has blackmailed Wylted into changing his positions, which is strongly implied by Wylted's other comments. I will see if whiteflame has posted anything cryptic.
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@Dr.Franklin
I'm surprised by how high-quality Minecraft feels with how simple the mechanics are compared to other games. Half of it was coded by one person and it's still the highest selling game of all time.
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@JoeBob
How did you find that the jester hates pork?
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Can you link to ChronicPain2? I couldn't find them.
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@JoeBob
ponikshiy was a Wylted alt. So was Prez-Hilton.
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@JoeBob
The only question now is how do we kill Barney? And what is the document?
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@JoeBob
I think the banning is a clue for the game. Wouldn't be surprised if Barney is the "jester", since he's the mod that did the banning.
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@JoeBob
Some joined on August 5, 2018, including the site creator:
It's also when the first post was made:
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@JoeBob
No, he hasn't responded yet.
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@Best.Korea
I think you meant to tag @RationalMadman.
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@RationalMadman
Would you want to debate Huemer if he offered? You'd have to commit putting in maximum effort (no forfeits), since we want to make a good impression on academics we are recruiting to the site.
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@Mall
Where were you before you were born?
The womb
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@Best.Korea
I actually appreciate trolls. They are usually very entertaining.
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@Best.Korea
Also, I apologize for not including your question about age of consent. There were a lot of questions, and I didn't want to run the risk of scaring him off by sending your question verbatim. (The Unabomber question was toeing the line already.) I was going try and rephrase your question in a broader way to make it seem more appropriate, but I honestly forgot and just remembered after sending the email.
Anyway, I hope this guy is as enthusiastic about free speech as he says, because our site has a lot of trolling.
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Looks like most people have asked what they want to ask, and we have quite a few questions already, so I will email Huemer now. If he joins the site, hopefully everyone will have the opportunity to ask him more if they wish.
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@DebateArt.com
Have you tried getting in contact with the owner of the debate.org domain and seeing if you could broker a deal for it? I think it could help the site blow up. Paying directly might not be feasible, but you could maybe offer them a percentage of ad revenue or something. (This should increase revenue for both you and them, since you have a working site and they have a well-known domain.)
I bring this up because Wylted has been working to increase our user base, and this is one of the points that came up.
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@zedvictor4
The thread doesn't close until 8:40pm CST
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You still have 14 hours
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@IlDiavolo
I don't see any stressful situation in the life of a phylospher
You must not have seen The Good Place, lol
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@gugigor
@Benjamin
@Double_R
@FishChaser
@Hero_In_Instatute
Any questions for Huemer?
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@Bones
You may be interested in this thread. Not trying to steal your thunder, but we are recruiting academics and Huemer was the first to respond.
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@Greyparrot
@Mharman
@FLRW
@Bones
@ADreamOfLiberty
Any questions?
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