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@AustinL0926
You really think that in a game literally about superheroes, scum doesn't have a strongman or roleblocker?
I didn't know those were things in Forum mafia, but fair enough.
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@Best.Korea
You better heal JoeBob tonight, because if he dies, we're going to lynch you.
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@AustinL0926
Ok. Somehow I read the text block several times and missed that.
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@AustinL0926
Pretty sure that GP mentioned the person who gets probed gets notified.
Did he? Can't find it.
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@whiteflame
When BK is town, how seriously does he take the game? I mean this is the user who started debates called "Anyone who is not a Christian is on the path of sin and sodomy." and cited a Quora answer as his only source. Trolling doesn't always mean scum.
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@Greyparrot
@Barney
@Vader
@whiteflame
@JoeBob
I'm not clear on how GP's role is confirmable. Do we know if a probe visits us?
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@Best.Korea
If you are doctor, heal JoeBob tonight.
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@Barney
@Vader
@whiteflame
@JoeBob
Given the theme, how does Atom Eve connect to the doctor role?
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@Barney
Is the Abraham Lincoln thing a reference to something? I believe Austin claimed the Immortal.
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@AustinL0926
Up until the lynch, votes are nothing than a fancy way of saying "I suspect this player."To seriously think that Barney's suggestion of avoiding a lynch until Joebob, the town-confirmed player, decides on one, is somehow a roundabout way of preventing any lynch from occurring at all, makes no sense.
Then why suggest people unvote at all? It's not necessary if all he wants is JoeBob's opinion. It could just be to "clear the field" (not sure why that is necessary?) but in combination with the other reasons Barney is seen as suspicious (and how you rallied people against Pie when Barney was suspected), telling everyone to unvote when there are 3 votes against you looks a bit suspicious.
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@AustinL0926
I'm saying that you are certain it is Pie. So if you are town he is probably scum and vice versa. I'm also saying that if you are certain Pie is scum, me voting for Pie should clear me, in your eyes.
I believe I also gave my reasoning when I voted for Pie. Either we'd out him as scum or he would be town, making you likely scum.
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@JoeBob
Has Vader full claimed? If so I didn't see it.
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@Barney
@Vader
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@JoeBob
Everyone else should probably unvote
Right now Barney and Austin are both on the chopping block. We know zero about their roles, and their behavior has been generally suspect, for whatever that's worth. Now Barney comes up with a convenient excuse to get everyone to unvote when Austin has 3 votes against him. Seems like they could both be scum but trying not to seem like they're defending each other.
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@JoeBob
A lot of behavioral reading has been done into Best.Korea, despite him being a known troll. How seriously does he take these games, and how much can we really gather from his behavior?
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@Barney
Only fair to tag you since I said I suspect you.
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@AustinL0926
Savant's behavioral reads feel manufactured. It's a combination of following the flow of townread players, as well as generic points that he can play off as being a newbie. Like... "behavioral reads are useless" because scum tries to act town? Yeah, that's the whole point of mafia, to find inconsistencies when they try and act town. I think he's smarter than this and he's trying to force out claims for no reason.
I said behavioral reads are useless (or close to useless) if scum do what they would do as town. I buy that catching people in a lie is the point of mafia, but let's be honest and admit that special roles change the whole dynamic. Concrete evidence will always be a better way of catching liars than vibes alone. In Town of Salem, most lynching is done based on actual evidence since people have special abilities and the game is text-based, making it hard to catch liars (humans are bad lie detectors anyway). Forum mafia is closer to TOS than it is to traditional mafia. I go off behavioral reads when there's nothing else, but it will almost always be less effective than actual evidence.
And let's be honest, of the players that have given no information, your behavior makes you the most suspicious. So going after you is based on a behavioral read. I'm almost certain it's you or Pie, so we'll get at least one scum.
It's also odd you would accuse me since I followed you into voting Pie given how certain you were, until he claimed the main character with no counterclaims. Scum cannot afford to sacrifice for their own in 7v2, so if you are town and our certain that Pie is scum, you would have a great reason to believe that I am town. Even if I rely 100% on behavioral reads, your actions don't make sense.
Given that you've accused everyone except Barney, and he's avoided voting for you, I highly suspect the two of you.
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@Vader
Maybe. But I don't think we have countless behavioral reads yet, and Austin is the most suspicious based on behavior anyway.
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@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
@JoeBob
I'm down to vote Austin. Accusing someone who claimed the literal MC makes him the most sus so far.
VTL AustinL0926
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@Best.Korea
Hence why I'm suggesting we lynch based on the information that has already been revealed. We already have an above average number of claims for D1, and I think that reduces the scum pool a bit.
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@Barney
@Vader
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
@JoeBob
I believe Vader, whiteflame, Barney, Austin, and I are the only ones not to have revealed information about ourselves (I'll check posts again, but that's what I remember from reading through). But I've already said that I can confirm my role, so it's in town's best interest to lynch Vader, whiteflame, Barney, or Austin today. Even if I'm wrong, and someone like Best.Korea is scum, the fact that BK has claimed something makes it easier to catch them in a lie later on, without revealing more information. Whereas I don't think we're likely to learn more about Vader, whiteflame, Barney, or Austin than we know already. Of course, if someone had claimed and been caught in a lie, we should lynch them, but anyone who claims a major role on D1 without a cc shouldn't be lynched on D1.
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@Vader
Maybe it's because I've never played this version before, but I'm not sure how reliable behavioral reads are. Scum could just do whatever they would do if they were town, and suddenly behavioral reads are useless. Getting some amount of information is the only way to catch them in a lie. Maybe we're giving scum information, but we're getting information too. Town needs information to kill scum, scum doesn't need information to kill town. Plus scum already knows the theme and has some idea about how fake claims correlate to characters, so someone giving their role is more useful to us than to them.
If I understand the rules correctly, information is only useful to scum if we're forcing them to claim. So not having to claim is the best possible scenario for scum, since we never actually get the opportunity to catch them in a lie. Maybe not everyone should claim on D1, but a good chunk of claims so far have helped us narrow down the pool of likely scum so far.
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@JoeBob
Is there any reason not to reveal my role right now? The only special thing about it is that it can be easily confirmed.
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@Vader
I think so, I mean I only watched S1 and I don't remember this character that well.
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@JoeBob
If I vote Barney, does he automatically get lynched? I want to pressure him but not kill him without getting his POV.
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@Vader
@whiteflame
Grey isn’t “confirmed” by any means.
Yeah, I wasn't super precise with phrasing. But most of us agree that GP is likely town, and I suspect he will be confirmed soon. If not, we can lynch him.
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@Vader
Given Pie's claim and what his history of strategies seems to be, I have to agree with Austin leaning sus at the moment. If pushing Barney doesn't reveal anything, we should probably push Austin next.
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
scum are driving this wagon
Both GreyParrot and JoeBob recommended getting a role from Pie over Barney, and they are confirmed town. Pie is probably innocent, but clearly not everyone on the wagon was scum.
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@AustinL0926
Haven't seen how Lunatic mods games in the past, but maybe others can confirm this. If all of what Austin said is true, then Grayson is as likely to be a fake claim as a real one, if not more so. But that's still not a sufficient reason to lynch, imo.
For now, I'd go back to trying to get a response from Barney, if he logs on any time soon.
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@Best.Korea
I would prefer to know the role, since with over 30 characters to pick from, cc is not that reliable.
It's more reliable with the main character of the show, since someone would probably be assigned Mark Grayson.
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@Vader
Should have made it clearer since I tagged both of you.
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@Vader
I was asking Austin if he retracted the claim against Pie.
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@Vader
@AustinL0926
I was on the push, so I'm one to talk. But since Austin was the one who accused Pie in the first place, do you retract your accusation? Or do you challenge the claim?
Austin might be sus for pushing, but I'd like to see what he has to say in his defense first.
Edit: Just saw Austin's reply.
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@ILikePie5
@AustinL0926
Unvote for now since we have Pie's claim.
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@whiteflame
Austin seems pretty confident, so I figured he's either right abut Pie or he's scum. Either way, we learn something from hearing Pie's claim. Barney was my first choice, but we were deadlocked and need to get a claim from someone. Plus Barney isn't responding, so we can't get a claim from him. We can put a lot of pressure on him later, but for now we need to learn more about this Pie accusation and whether it's valid so we aren't shooting in the dark.
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@AustinL0926
forgot to read the OP.
Not sure what this is referring to.
Edit: Nvm
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@JoeBob
If Vader is right about theme split, I should be able to confirm I am town tonight.
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@Vader
@whiteflame
@Best.Korea
You should vote Barney for at least a role claim.
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@whiteflame
Fair enough. In Indie Games mafia you were town and accused 7000series in the first few hours of DP1 (don't know if that's what you mean by the last game, since Battlebots was after that). But psychoanalysis is a tricky thing, so I won't press the issue for now.
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Might as well get some information out of Barney if he's going to play this passively.
VTL Barney
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@whiteflame
Meant to tag you as well. Don't want to throw out accusations behind your back.
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@Barney
@ILikePie5
@Best.Korea
Pie is at least being proactive. Barney is usually quiet no matter what. Curious about whiteflame though. He tends to be more proactive as a member of the town, from the games I've read, and he hadn't been super active on making accusations in this game or saying who he suspects. Tbf, it is the first round. RM said something in one game about whiteflame being more passive as a scum player, and he ended up being right. (I believe it was Governor's mafia, but it might have been an older game.)
Downside is that if we lynch whiteflame and are wrong, we lose a good (and generally proactive) player for the town early on. I'm not saying it's definitely him, but how he's behaved so far is how I'd expect him to behave as a scum player.
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@Lunatic
What operations installed: Mcfarlane Toys Game of thrones action figures, Season 8 edition
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@Lunatic
Customer: Limited Edition Funko Pop Collectibles
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@Barney
it's better to lose and maintain our dignity
All right, let's remain civilized.
Anyway, who do you feel like hanging today?
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@AustinL0926
I don't really buy that he took the time to come up with an elaborate solution while also failing to do simple research on whether Discord statuses can be manipulated
Read my initial post. The original plan was to use DART status since I assumed DART PMs are how scum kill ppl in forum mafia. I tried to make it work for Discord when I realized otherwise.
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@ILikePie5
Also, what does VTL stand for? (I know the V is for "vote")
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@ILikePie5
Never played forum mafia before, but I've read through the forums to see how it works. And I've played other versions of mafia.
Afraid I don't have much substantive information to share, but if you want more loopholes that violate the spirit of the game, I've got plenty. For example, on day 1, everyone writes a message with a role claim and puts it through a hash function, then posts the result. This way townies can wait to reveal their claims until later, but scum can't change their role claims following day 1, since the hash result wouldn't match. (Come to think of it, I should try this in Town of Salem.)
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