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Also not voting Mikal. He's towny to me, and I'd probably just get lynched tomorrow (even though I've literally said the not claiming thing only applies day 1). But yeah, I have nothing to gain by somehow moving the lynch off of me today.
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
The difference between me and pie, is that I won't black list you, ill just support lynching you every game, or just straight up killing you as scum and ensure you have a horrible time playing in every game until you stop this sh1t. We've done it before to people who tried this nonsense we will do it again. I suggest pie changes his mind and join me in the attempt to just lynch you in every game instead of quitting mafia.Ya I’m comfortable doing that. Odds are that he roles scum one game anyways. Policy lynch is the way
So...literally the same thing you're accusing me of? If you policy lynch me rather than playing to my win con, is that not "game throwing" by your standard? I mean it's a strategy meant to encourage certain long-term behavior, which is the same as what my strategy is. Why is it game throwing when I do it but not when you do it?
Also I'm being held to a very different standard than everyone else. GP claimed every game first thing even as a power role, but that was seen as "just what GP does" and not game throwing.
Lynching me every game is already what you've been doing basically. You'll find I have nothing to lose here, and if you somehow get the entire rest of the town to lynch me every game, then you've made my point for me. I know you don't have the skills to behaviorally read me, but soon everyone else will know it too.
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@ILikePie5
I fail to see what’s wrong with that in literally a team game. Take one for the team.
Lynch me if you want. That's me taking one for the team.
So every townie has to believe you’re scum. And therefore should lynch you.
No, they'll believe that I could be anything including a power role. Which means that using this strategy all the time is playing to maximize my win rate, literally the point of the game.
Odd that it's always me being lynched "just to be safe." Not WF, not Mikal, not Luna. Even though you've repeatedly failed to read all of us and tend to over-town-read them while over-scum-reading me. If you keep mislynching me it's your own fault for not recalibrating your reads.
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When you brought up Christ and Martyrdom it did become personal
Yeah, sorry about that. That was probably out of line.
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I said I can imagine a player not claiming as scum there.
I mean the whole conflict. Is it because of something personal between us? Because it kind of feels that way.
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@ILikePie5
Not anti-town. Some claims would get be lynched even if I'm town,And that helps POE for other townies
Well if town is gonna lynch me anyway it doesn't matter if I claim, they'll see my full PM the next day.
Correct and you will be confirmed.
And then killed at night w/ the power role. But if I always refuse to claim I won't always get lynched for it and can use the power role.
And when you’re scum? What then? What is town supposed to do?
Why would I want to help the town when I'm scum?
Mikal has literally said he uses the same strategy and apparently wins a lot with it. So it's not anti-town to use except when I'm scum, in which case I want the town to lose.
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I can.
Is this about the argument we had outside the game when you asked the mods to ban me? Because I promise me refusing to claim has nothing to do with that, it's mainly a response to almost always being forced to claim day 1 in the other games I've played.
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Would you two please stop your bickering. It's a waste of cyberspace.It is literally a debate site... Lol
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It's an anti-town strategy when I'm scum, but then I'm afraid I've never tried to be pro-town as scum.
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@ILikePie5
if you’re going to be anti-town and basically throw in doing so
Not anti-town. Some claims would get be lynched even if I'm town, and sometimes I have power roles. If I always refuse to claim, town is better off in those games.
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@ILikePie5
Also I do hope the game we're co-hosting is still on, I mean I won't be playing in that one.
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Pie's annoyance and threat here seem genuine, so I think Casey is probably my preferred lynch today. Casey also just hasn't been reading the way they were in other games. Guess that's true for me too, but the percentages were just way too time consuming and not really accurate.
VTL Casey
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@ILikePie5
I will vote to lynch him and not play in a game with him
That's gonna be difficult for all the games you don't host, cause I'm probably gonna play in all of them.
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Suppose it could also be Luna, since he said he was going to sleep. At least it means he was probably telling the truth about that.
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I think scum would have found a reason to hammer me, hence I suspect that scum were both on the wagon. That means Casey and Pie are the most likely team from my POV.
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Current reads, I'll flesh these out in the morning. WyIted is confirmed, AR's tunneling is towny, and WF and Mikal aren't taking advantage of the mislynch. The rest are being fairly opportunistic about this.
Town
AR
WyIted
Mikal
Whiteflame
PoE
Casey
Ultracrepidarian
Lunatic
Pie
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@ILikePie5
I’m pretty sure I know what role he is, and if I’m right he’s stupid to hold onto that information because it can help POE
So you think I'm town and want to lynch me for being "stupid"?
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@ILikePie5
4 Scenarios from my POV:1) Savant is scum2) Scum is inactive (aka Lunatic)3) RM is scum4) Scum want to keep Savant alive for possible buddying/towncred
Unfortunately that doesn't PoE down at all.
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@ILikePie5
@Mikal
@Casey_Risk
No that’s stupid cause it means some people can wiggle out with “garbage justification”
Ok but everyone should be online at 6:45 EST to ensure we are all here to full claim at 7 EST. Claim needs to include character, role, and full justification.
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@Lunatic
Have you said whether you're on board yet? I think everyone else is besides AR, and he already full claimed.
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The primary thing they dont know is who is rpotective and who isnt. That is vital to hide.
Even if power roles exist scum knows protectives or watcher or something will be on them, so they can't really go after them. Power roles rarely get killed in the night even when they are outed.
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@ILikePie5
were coordinating, just full claim in this exact same format:
To be safe I think we should soft claim justification as I described. Give an allegory or a riddle or something that is obviously tied to justification once you explain it.
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I am not following this at all. I can promise that.
You already claimed though.
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@ILikePie5
You on board to soft your justification at 6pm cst/7pm est on the dot tomorrow?
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Ideally it should have enough connections to details that it becomes obvious in hindsight and impossible to soft multiple things at once, but hard for scum to reverse engineer without the connection being made clear.
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@whiteflame
That's what I'm thinking, gives us insurance if people are a little off on the timing.
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@Mikal
I’m fine with 6 pm cst tomorrow
So 6pm cst/7pm est?
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@whiteflame
@Mikal
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
@Ultracrepidarian
Like who else is online right now? Are all of you here to give softclaims quickly?
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@Ultracrepidarian
Ok, but I do think we should softclaim and then full claim within a pretty short window.
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@Mikal
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
Could we all claim at 6PM EST on the dot tomorrow? I feel like that's enough time to get agreement from everyone.
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@Mikal
It’s still the same as full claiming I think. It’s to easy to read.
Well then you just do as well as you can to make it hard to read while also being near impossible to backtrack. Pretty difficult but maybe doable.
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At that point we should just full claim me thinks
No because this way it doesn't require us to all coordinate posting at the same time. We all softclaim our justification, locking us in, then we all full claim.
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@Mikal
I have an idea for soft claiming. You have to give the justification for your role without revealing what your role or character is. For example if someone was the doctor because their character is Bob and Bob does surgery, you could say, "My character does a job with pointy tools that makes people smile." Then it's really hard to backtrack and make your claim something else.
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@Mikal
Full claim or you get hammered. Simple as that.
After I get hammered, take a good look at WF and Casey tmrw. I think Mikal and AR are probably good.
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Casey + WF would be an interesting team if this is a distancing play. I've seen Casey do similar things before. It's possible, but there's not enough information for me to commit to any team reads atm.
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Hmm...I actually think AR is town here. If he's scum, he has to know how bad he'll end up looking when I flip town. I'm inclined to agree with Mikal that scum are probably being very quiet right now. Or maybe it's Casey, who has been online but isn't really engaging in the conversation beyond very slight pressure a few pages ago.
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Hammer yourself then, 'martyr'.
Martyrs didn't kill themselves. Kind of went against their religion.
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In his exact shoes I outed fully.
The martyrs never compromised their values even under threat of death. Who's the better Catholic now?
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Okay, can you vote yourself then?
No, that wouldn't be fair to all the town members who haven't voted me.
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You don't realise how good I am
If you're that good, shouldn't you be able to tell whether I'm town or not without me claiming?
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@ILikePie5
I’m just not going to play then, and I suspect others will join me.
Mikal does literally the same thing. Why is it only a problem when I do it?
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@ILikePie5
It’s not bullying to ask him to full claim. At least 2 townies have him as scum. It’s his job to exonerate himself and give up his claim, or succumb to his fate.
We can do this dance every game if that's what you insist on. You'll just going to have to lynch me day 1 every time.
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Full claim now.
Godfather
I'll let you decide if that's sarcasm or not.
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@Mikal
This is odd for you?
It really doesn't matter. I've got at best a few minutes before someone hammers me, and I'm not claiming.
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@ILikePie5
I’ll catch up when I’m at the gym today, but Wylted told me toVTL Savant
Lynch me then, I don't care. Somehow this game turned into a trend of lynching people for not following some invisible code and then blaming them for their own lynch by claiming they were acting "scummy." You've played more than enough games with me to know better than you're acting right now, especially for someone who claims to carry the town while having behavioral reads only slightly better than the rate of chance (yes, I've checked). If you're town and you lynch me, that's your skill issue, not mine.
The one thing I do blame myself for is having inaccurate behavioral reads. These are my reads for this game (wish I had more time, but whatever), and if they're close to correct, I'll be happy with my performance this game.
Towniest to scummiest:
WyIted
Pie
Ultra
Lunatic
Mikal
Whiteflame
Casey_Risk
AdaptableRatman
Not gonna bother justifying all that, since I'm not gonna live long enough to type all that out. As for the wagon on me, I feel no need to engage with it further. I'm being scum read for the same reasons I always get scum read.
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