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@WyIted
Who would you say is the best voter on this site? I think WF definitely puts in the most effort. You're pretty decent when you try.
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@WyIted
Rather just have some way of grading votes and then restricting who can vote on tournament debates.
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@WyIted
I like what latest did where votes were waited by length.
Too easy to game.
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@thett3
There’s no reason for any category besides who won the debate.
I think tournament debates should be a separate category with their own leaderboard where only experienced judges can vote, and their votes get graded by onlookers. With experienced judges, the only category should be arguments.
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@Earth
The verdict has been delivered.
It's not 1:30 AM yet
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@Earth
Please stop talking.
Wait you said the twilight ends at 1:30 AM est. Are we not allowed to talk during twilight?
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@Mikal
If we lynch him and he is a bomb. Low-key could be Casey. Have a lot to process
How would Casey know whether I'm a bomb?
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@Mikal
just vote myself in his position to prove a point
What point?
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@ILikePie5
RM was stupid for unvoting.
Well, good luck trying to convince him to change his mind once it's made up. It's possible my recent actions have annoyed him enough to hammer me, but we'll see.
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@Mikal
It’s twilight. Were you actually town doc?
Nothing I've said is in any way correlated to my actual role. I could be anything, even scum.
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@Mikal
CaseyIt’s 4/5 I think
That's right actually bc AR voted to lynch you. Kind of ruins the fake ninja/doctor claim, but whatever.
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@Earth
@Mikal
It’s twilight. Were you actually town doc?
Is it twilight? Earth, give vote counts.
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@Casey_Risk
Also AR unvoted so it's not even a hammer yet.
Wait I don't think that's true.
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Tbf, voting when others suspected me of being a bomb might deserve some town cred, but then as either alignment Casey probably missed that. Or they thought it was a risk worth taking.
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@Casey_Risk
You literally claimed Unlynchable...
True, I did. I can't help but thing scum Casey would stay quiet until they thought they could gain some town cred. And once I claimed 1x lynchproof, Casey could then safely put a vote on me. Convenient Casey wasn't caught up earlier, when it would have been much riskier to give an opinion.
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@ILikePie5
Savant is bluffing. He’s probably a Bomb or some variant of it.
So what's your plan here? If you want to kill me, someone has to hammer me, or you need a day vig.
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@ILikePie5
I’m already on your wagon lol
Yeah but according to you you can get the rest of the town to go along with your plans.
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@ILikePie5
let Savant hammer himself
I won't. One of you has to do it. Either hammer me or let me live, I'm fine with either.
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@ILikePie5
Now you have to self vote
Or what? You'll hammer me? The thing I'm asking you to do?
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Self to confirm it.
After all this trouble, just self-voting to confirm my role wouldn't feel earned.
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Fine, if this is gonna be another big fight, I'm Hadvar and I escaped when Alduin interrupted Ulfric's execution. So I can escape executions basically.
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@ILikePie5
Character and Justification?
Irrelevant, my role is confirmable.
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@Lunatic
It’s game breaking to let one person do something that no one else can do
And whose fault is it that "no one else" can do this?
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
Ok guys, I feel bad. I've actually been trolling this whole time, but it got way more heated than I was expecting, so sorry for that.
I'm 1x lynchproof. So someone can just put a vote on me now and confirm my role. Again, sorry for dragging things out this long.
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@ILikePie5
So you're going to get a majority of players to refuse to lynch anyone but us for the first two day phases in every single game?If you refuse to claim, yes
You have RM, so you would need 2 other people on board (unless one of you is hosting, but I suppose you might just blacklist me). Let's see if you achieve that.
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@ILikePie5
Both of you.
So you're going to get a majority of players to refuse to lynch anyone but us for the first two day phases in every single game?
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@ILikePie5
Luna and I will vote you every game as a policy lynch. I suspect others will join me as well.
Yeah, and what if Mikal joins me? Which of us are you going to policy lynch?
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@ILikePie5
So you’re counterclaiming Wylted?
It was a hypothetical, but sure why not. I'll counterclaim WyIted or whoever else you want.
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@ILikePie5
it’s your fucking job to convince them you’re town by cooperating the full claiming
I don't have to convince anyone if you don't have the votes to lynch me guaranteed. And it's not a guarantee because it could be a bluff, I have no way of knowing.
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@ILikePie5
@Mikal
He will hammer you cus he’s always got this policy lynch mindset.People get invested in the spirit of the game or teaching people a lesson type shi
And a minute ago, I thought doing something as a policy or to teach people a lesson was game throwing...
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@ILikePie5
He could be bluffing.Okay, we will see when he gets back.
Yeah, and even if I'm wrong that he could be bluffing, being wrong isn't game throwing.
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@ILikePie5
I’m saying at a minimum, there are 2 townies in your wagon of 4. There could be more. But guaranteed that 2 townies sus you.
Yeah, and so what? Maybe I'm the cop and want to hide that from scum, and I think you won't get a 5th vote because that's a bluff.
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@ILikePie5
Luna has already said he will vote you.
He could be bluffing.
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@ILikePie5
You claim when you know for a fact that at least 2 townies sus you.
Why 2? Why not 3 or 1? This is just you inventing an arbitrary standard.
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but not full on lying ever
Austin said he was a supersaint in order to confirm Luna one game (Austin was actually 1x lynchproof). Also power roles lying can help town. Lying is not game throwing.
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@ILikePie5
There are implied rules within the game, and refusing to claim is a violation of them.
Claiming might be a common strategy, but it's not a rule. As I said, there's no guarantee I'll be lynched for this until it happens.
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violates gamethrow rule
There's no guarantee that claiming or not claiming helps the town. I can't trust what you say, since the entire game is built on people lying. Again, you haven't proven you have the votes to hammer me until it happens.
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As in I see it as GT as scum to refuse to claim when at blatant threat of hammer.
Except you could be bluffing, I never know until you hammer.
Please hammer self, to me it is no ig deal as youre already blacklisted.
I'm not going to punish the rest of the town for your decisions.
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@ILikePie5
Play a themed game the way it’s supposed to be played
There's no "supposed to" as long as my strategy is within the rules.
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@ILikePie5
Even if you’re not scum this game, you’re going to be scum at some point and you’re going to get lynched
That logic applies to literally any player.
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@Mikal
You think scum is on the wagon or innactive
I think they were on the wagon earlier. My main scum read is still Casey, I think they were on the wagon opportunistically and then realized a bit late that not being on the wagon was the better play. I mean I wouldn't put all bets on that though, because you'll probably learn more day 2.
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You know, I might also just start lying about my role every game. People will either have to start lynching me for claiming the cop, or the actual cop will have to out themselves. But I don't really want to do that, it feels petty for no reason.
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Also self-voting is literally game throwing, just refusing to claim isn't.
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@Mikal
If your town is just vote yourself. Easier to prove a point
I have principles. I won't punish town just for putting me at L-1, nor will I punish town members who haven't voted me yet. I will only allow town to punish itself.
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