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@BrotherD.Thomas
I'll tag you and drop the link to the debate if he ever accepts.
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I picture the actual debate looking a lot like the conversation between Dr. Carl Hart and Bill O'Reilly.
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@Path2Paradise
Tigerlord has announced he is dropping the debate.
Taking his place, if he agrees. Will be Path2Paradise.
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@DavidAZ
No.
Despite having been involved with the Church in my early teens, I rarely do anything for them now or even attend.
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@Yassine
@Public-Choice
@YouFound_Lxam
@tigerlord
@DavidAZ
The Judges.
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My debate is with Tigerlord.
This thread will be posted, so when the debate is published, everyone can find it.
All the following judges will be tagged as well.
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So you’re a greedy, power-hungry grifter using your political influence to pull strings so that the middle-class buys this bullshit?
Get real.
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Speaking as a mostly carnivoristic omnivore.
It's probably more ethical than the organized serial genocide of animals that our slaughterhouses regularly take part in.
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@Nyxified
This discussion may perpetuate for some time and you may find yourself hashing it out with people in the forums who aren't even involved in the actual debate itself or that you don't want involved which could be a bad thing because you didn't show up here to debate them, so doing so will spoil what arguments you're going to use.
Public-Choice has approved majority of the judges with some speculation of who else he wants on.
You've expressed some disapproval for some of the judges, so if you create the challenge first, you'll have more control over who you want on the Voting Council and can avoid wasting time arguing with people whose opinions don't matter all that much.
That said, here are the possible judge arrangements you can go with. Public is likely to agree with any of them, but he can raise objections if he disapproves with any.
- Most objective. Me, Slainte, Savant, whiteflame, *WeaverofFate.
- Second most objective. Me, Slainte, Savant, Bones, oromagi.
- Most even (Biases, non-biases.) Bella3sp/oromagi, YouFoundIxam, Barney, TWS.
Ignore anyone derailing their thread with their biases against transgender ideology.
I edited this to include WeaverofFate to arrangement #1.
Weaver and whiteflame are the site's two best objective voters. I can personally vouch for Weaver especially. Everyone already knows who whiteflame is.
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@Public-Choice
Ok, so how about Sir.Lancelot, bella3sp, and whiteflame?Sir.Lancelot sides with you, bella3sp sides with me, and whiteflame is a mod and has a lot of experience being a voter, so he can be the "kennedy" of our court lol
Who decided I sided with Nyxified?
I don't have a strong opinion on this subject, or any opinion at all for that matter.
Because I don't care about it.
That said, I'm 100% enthusiastic about judging this debate, even if I couldn't care less about the subject matter.
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@FLRW
No, I think he is applying for a job at rondesantis.com.
Ron DeSantis is just unoriginal.
He needs to come up with his own ideas instead of stealing mine.
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@Nyxified
@Public-Choice
@Bella3sp
Based on that, Bella3sp has my vote for judge.
But if you guys choose Bella, you have to choose SkepticalOne to keep it balanced.
Under no circumstances are you to make Best.Korea a judge.
I mean you can if you want, I just don’t suggest it.
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@Nyxified
@Public-Choice
@YouFound_Lxam
@Bella3sp
Probably just leave the current judges as me, Slainte, and Savant. (Maybe SkepticalOne)
If you guys need more judges, then here are my two choices.: Bones and oromagi.
(Bones will be biased towards Public, oromagi towards Nyx, but both are objective voters either way. It balances out.)
Perhaps leave RM and TWS out of this for separate reasons.
RM- Because he’s too biased and unreliable to vote objectively.
Despite TWS’s strong conviction on the subject, he can be an objective voter because of his votes in The Tournament. I’d consider bringing him in, but the mods delete his votes too frequently that I’m unsure his judgment would have any effect on the debate itself.
Aside from oromagi and Bones, my last two picks are YouFoundLxam and Bella3sp.:
- Bella3sp is the more likely of the two to vote more objectively, but she’s also strongly biased towards Nyxified. So idk. I don’t think she would vote objectively, but take my opinion here with a grain of salt.
- I have no faith at all in YouFoundLxam’s ability to remain unbiased. He would definitely vote for Public.
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We should be banning books.
Books are a threat to Western Culture because they promote critical thinking, open-mindedness, and independent thought.
These are all virtues that we, as a Society, should openly reject.
Libraries threaten the Status Quo and they must all be shut down in accordance. Prompto!
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How precisely would you 'treat' autism?
By not assuming it is a mental illness that needs to be fixed.
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No comment.Everything about this debate is wrong. Everything.It is the only mental disorder where the delusions are deeply, truly encouraged to the point society and even science bends backwards for it.
Says the guy with autism.
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Yeah but I am usually not a funny guy, this time I was funnier than you by far. You pointlessly tried to ridicule me back.I will admit something though, I could be into a hot woman in some kind of cat suit or dog suit (but not fully onesie, want belly and skin all over showing i mean facepaint and ears etc). Bunnies are lame to me though, not sure why.
Don't worry. We're not judging you.
There's conventions for you to Yiff freely.
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defending someone who genuinely fucks animals just to one-up me is a bit odd.
No idea who said person is. If the allegation is true, then he's a weirdo.
Not defending him, I'm just insulting you.
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That's the site that led me to join this site in the first place.
Let's also pray that the title of this post is false because if it's true, then debate as a whole is dead.
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@ADreamOfLibertyI don't think that's a dog. Sorry.
Perhaps that's why you're not into them.
Maybe your type is someone with a catchier fursona name.
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Most passions/hobbies grow boring after a while. This is the Burnout stage and the biggest plateau because people stagnate. It takes willpower to overcome it.
Frankly, I’m bored of all the Pro-Life/Pro-Choice, Religion/Atheism, and Transgender debates. There’s nothing remotely interesting about these same repetitive subjects.
Where are the interesting topics at? Let’s talk about Race, Sci-Fi, Movies, Capitalism, Socialism, Dictatorship, Anarchy. I like the thrill of genuinely researching fascinating topics that are actually intellectually stimulating.
Not this boring shit that everyone likes to talk about. If I see one more post about gender discourse, sexuality, abortion, or religion. I’ll go insane.
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@Nyxified
In any case where somebody sees something I say as being ' a bs rationalization(s)', I'd like to see them show me in a formal debate exactly where I went wrong. Not that I'd expect to win any debate where I'm arguing for trans people given the bias of the website.
I'll vote on the debate to mitigate the potentiality for vote corruption.
If you make it Judges' Decision,
Me, Savant, and Slainte can all agree to judge. It's unclear what their biases are and their personal feelings on the subject, but I know that they will vote objectively.
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@Kaitlyn
I think posts like these are the real reason people wanted you gone, and I don't mean that in the sense that they were justified, but rather that these kinds of topics create a lot of upset people and controversy.
I believe it has more to do with the civility or lack thereof in the forums. Right-wingers are sometimes unfairly attacked for holding views perceived as hateful (Even friendly people like greyparrot catch scrutiny.), but TWS's fights with everyone have probably not helped his image much. So now everyone dogpiles him because hating him became the popular thing to do.
(I'm definitely not a saint, as Rat-Man is referring to me when he includes the following paragraph in his post.):
I am unsure what people think I'd say or where I'd stand. It seems everybody presumed I'd be like Wylted and Badger. I told you all from the start, I am pro-freedom, Wylted is not. If you think that was just pretty words, you're wrong. This website has been a shithole just like DDO was. The Weekly Stupid was cyberbullying, it's just most of those he mocked were people who never watched the show so there was no conflict. I don't want to dig shit up or go into how much of a bully that individual was as it is not about him. It is about DDO and the culture. There was a locker-room high school bullying culture that's returning here and has always been here as an undercurrent.
With that said,
TWS may have made a few anti-trans ideology threads in the past, but he hasn't made a consistent of habit of frequently posting transphobic rants to establish a reputation as a person who hates trans people. That's more YouFound_Lxam's title.
They may share the same or similar beliefs, but TWS's thing was people wrongly assuming he is a white supremacist and that's what he became known as here. His disagreements with oromagi, Sidewalker, Roosevelt, and Rat-Man over issues of race probably cemented this belief.
Whether Wylted actually believes the claims/conspiracies he makes is impossible to determine. But the fact that Wylted regularly posts for Shock Value makes his positions too exaggerated to be authentic. And it certainly raises a few questions.
- If VP Bootlicker hates people for being racist/transphobic, why would he choose to be close friends with someone like Wylted? The answers are either Bootlicker is a hypocrite with no consistency or that Wylted isn't really racist or transphobic.
- If Wylted is genuinely an anti-semite, how could he be close to someone like whiteflame? Someone who's openly Jewish.
I feel like a lot of this site (me included) are too quick to make judgments about who people actually are and so it's easier to dismiss their arguments rather than take them seriously and engage in an actual debate.
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@oromagi
@PREZ-HILTON
How do we feel about oromagi as President?
He's great as a mod, but there's so much more he could do as President.
The problem is.:
- Mods are Enforcers, with no actual ability to bring meaningful change because they are limited only to what the CoC/Rules allows them to do. There are too many restrictions which prevent them from allowing their personal feelings getting in the way. Which is a mistake, because people like Barney and whiteflame have great vision.
- The President exists as a mediator to guide the site in the direction that works best for the community and is the balance that stops the mods from abusing their authority, or hold them accountable if they are not doing their job properly.
- Oromagi is a visionary with great ideas. oromagi sees there is a problem with the unrestrained bigotry/extremism that is flooding the site and knows exactly how to stop it.
- Oromagi has the brashness that's required for the position. He has criticized the mods in the past. Oromagi has openly created threads where he critiqued the mods for not valuing democracy and for failing to abide by decisions they've made for Elections.
Oromagi was offered the position of moderator in the past, but he turned it down. He only accepted the role when supadudz stepped down.
If he wants to continue being a mod, he should be, but the Presidency would give him more power to enact this change.
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@badger
@TWS1405_2
It's like sex, ADOL. Your brain's a maze to be traversed towards orgasm or dopamine injection. You've carved out pathways. Not so easy to make new pathways. Now if truth really is your ultimate end, maybe, but who has truth as an ultimate end with so much else to get hung up on. So I'll point out to Kaitlyn that she's adopted and mad at her genes and feeling inferior and just wanting to make someone hurt. Because that's her truth. It's the maze she's lost in. It's the best thing anyone could do for her to point that out. Anything else is banging your head against a brick wall. That or walking through your own maze.
It's kind of sad that badger is trying to make up for a life of nobody knowing who he is.
This thread is the most attention he's received from anyone.
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Lmao. No.
Wylted's problem during The Presidency was he never took it seriously. (I never assumed he would anyway.) Tyranny was never the concern and neither was the possibility of Freedom of Speech being abolished.
You on the other hand,
are a Walking Persecution Complex.
You take everything too personally and create imaginary enemies out of nowhere. You trash everyone, but can't seem to handle when it's done to you. And all of these symptoms would have reflected in your leadership if you were The President.
Wylted was just the safer choice.
- Accusing oromagi of vote corruption and claiming you were going to declare war on him.
- Insulting Wylted during the Election and claiming you were going to make him 'feel fear.'
- Claiming you were going to 'tame me' and then running to the mods to claim I was bullying you when you were shit-talking me.
- Accusing Ramshutu of bullying you and then likening him to Genghis Khan.
- Calling Wylted transphobic when you yourself have made transphobic threads.
Badger's presence on the site is like a ghost. Nobody really believes he exists.
The Tyranny Tirade is him assuming he has any actual power.
Still.
Any of us would gladly take that weasel over you.
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@badger
Showing skepticism at someone's loss is not on the same level as believing said loss happened and mocking them for it, no matter how detestable you find either one.
Before we get down to MEEPs or however we're going to do this, I think this post warrants an immediate ban: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8938-floyd-and-the-fatal-effects-of-fentanyl-when-mixed-with-other-illegal-substances?page=2&post_number=59 We can decide on if we'll let him back or whatever, but that post is vile. Dunno how he got away with that in the first place.
He should be banned for gross inhumanity. I can't find the CoC now, but that shouldn't be so controversial.
You are attempting to sling mud from whatever dirt you can find, hoping that it'll stick by incentivizing a community to lynch TWS for a petty drama that took place months ago.
Let's not forget, you did worse.
What you ultimately justify the site doing to TWS, you justify everyone doing to you.
Are you suggesting we should hold you to the same standards you're apparently applying to everyone else, or is it reserved specifically for people you're threatened by?
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@PREZ-HILTON
He is basically just the conservative version of Roose
That's not a very accurate comparison.
TWS is just a Karen who sometimes uses artificially-inflated vocab.
Roosevelt is someone who tries to troll, but can't seem to generate words more complex than 'retard' or 'dummy.'
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@DavidAZ
Disagreements/Debates will still happen because the leftists will still infiltrate the threads by the right. And vice-versa.
This rule would just stop the derailing of healthy discussion into full-on extremism and allow for more meaningful conversations to take place.
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@SkepticalOne
Yes.
The Entry start date is to be very soon.
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@PREZ-HILTON
Despite their bold views and tendency to start forum arguments, TWS and Kaitlyn are very intelligent people with a lot to contribute.
If they started debates with topics of their choice. No doubt it would be controversial.
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@Savant
Agree.
That's probably more appropriate.
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@Best.Korea
@TWS1405_2
@Kaitlyn
I also think the site needs people like TWS and Kaitlyn to challenge the status quo.
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@AustinL0926
@WeaverofFate
@Savant
Savant, WeaverofFate, and AustinL are also included on the list of leaders.
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There are many complaints that DART is a former shell of itself and nothing like DDO. Calls to action have been made to return DART to its glory days by banning the following individuals: YouFound_Lxam, Kaitlyn, Best.Korea, Greyparrot, TWS1405_2, and IWantRooseveltAgain.
The latter two are the most controversial for several reasons. TWS because of his beef with the mods and fights with the community in general, IWantRoosevelt because of his constant baiting of right-wingers/republicans/conservatives and as one of the former president’s nemeses.
Difference between the two is that TWS sometimes comes across as a triggered reactionary for the right, whereas IWantRoosevelt is just a wannabe troll for the left.
Neither of these two rise to the level of being ban-worthy.
Firstly, let go of the delusion that DART should be like DDO. That ship has long sailed.
But that doesn’t mean it’s completely a lost cause, it’s just Damaged Goods with Wasted Potential.
Your first mistake is in assuming that these individuals are responsible for driving away new blood and scaring away potential people. (Which is stupid because of big platforms like Twitter, Reddit, and Quora.)
Common denominator is the transparent lack of firm leadership, vision, and purpose.
The actual reality is few people know that DART even exists.
Mike could very easily turn this around if he actively led his community instead of letting his community make the choices. Wylted could have very easily been the man for the job and he’s right that DART is a shithole, but he assumed the title of responsibility for fixing it and he gave up. So that failure is partly his too.
Bootlicker could be what’s needed for the site to change, but I’ve seen no convincing evidence that he is even capable of such, aside from his perpetual ranting and raving. He should return to lurking in the shadows where he’s the most useful.
Instead of confusing the position of President to think he has anything remotely insightful to say.
But I want to touch on something more important about the current state of DART where there is a clear, simple solution.
We have one side demanding Absolute Freedom of Speech and the other demanding Total Censorship.
The solution to this problem is to separate the two by allowing certain categories to have more unregulated discussion and then to enforce more rules in other categories about what kind of subjects/topics are taboo, so people have a place of acceptance.
Instead of allowing such dialogue to cross interfere in one channel. Let the white nationalists/binary people have their channel outlets to freely criticize anything they want, (nobody has to visit their category, engage them or read their posts if they don’t want to.), and then let the leftists/progressives have their channel to have civil discussion so they have a medium for acceptance. There’s no reason both sides cannot co-exist, regardless of the hatred between the two. That is if only, the mutual goal is to move DART forward.
Here are our current leaders who have done a great job for DART.
- whiteflame. Whiteflame has done many great things that people don't really appreciate. He is a consistent voter on debates and has competently enforced the rules without needing to publicly shame or scrutinize people. He is active in Tournaments and has encouraged innovation through fascinating topics. You can't really deny whiteflame is probably one of the least biased people on the site. Whiteflame is what your ideal mod is like. Definitely one of the most interesting and least boring people on the site.
- Barney. Barney was actually the first person that actually got me interested in debating in the first place, and he's regularly provided feedback or criticism. Another thing is Barney was who actually taught me how debates should be structured.
- oromagi. I'm actually a fan of oromagi's brash criticism and strong beliefs. His contributions to the site have mainly been through his insightful commentary and debates. I think the current state of DART would grow even more dull and tedious, if it weren't for people like oromagi challenging people's opinions and holding them accountable. It was oromagi who made me want to be better at debating.
People seem to forget that the mods are unpaid volunteers who participate in the site because they actually care about the community. I think this goes overlooked way too often. If it weren't for either of these three, DART would be fucked.
Other leaders include: Savant, WeaverofFate, and AustinL.
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@badger
Congrats on the promotion, President Bootlicker!
Must be painful to have no more superiors or higher-ups to suck up to and worship.
Before we get down to MEEPs or however we're going to do this, I think this post warrants an immediate ban: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8938-floyd-and-the-fatal-effects-of-fentanyl-when-mixed-with-other-illegal-substances?page=2&post_number=59 We can decide on if we'll let him back or whatever, but that post is vile. Dunno how he got away with that in the first place.
Your first move in Office is to declare an executive order for an immediate ban based on a drama that already played out a few months ago?
Do you have any actual priorities or plans for DART or is it to remove every person for making an ignorant post?
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@Savant
There's already been exceptions to the qualifications.
Wylted was supposed to be ineligible because he was previously banned before his election campaign.
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@PREZ-HILTON
How true is #10?
That you leaving means that RM returns?
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@Savant
Savant would make a great president tbh.
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@Lemming
@Best.Korea
@Savant
Wylted already secretly passed his email/password to badger, before his most recent thread where he makes his account info publicly known.
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@Savant
Yea does anyone know if this decision is actually binding? Assuming whoever is using that account is actually being serious.
Most likely.
Not that it’ll have any consequence however.
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There is a huge gap between Savant and badger.
Savant has the intelligence and competence to debate topics like race-relation without getting triggered. (His debates on police brutality & debate with me on immigration.)
VP Bootlicker, on the other hand, is just a Walking Echo Chamber who mimics whatever ideas/views sound cool.
badger has no personality and is practically non-existent to those that matter.
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@badger
@ADreamOfLiberty
@TWS1405_2
Badger hates people with autism, despite being on the spectrum.
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@badger
Good luck with that. Any sensible person clicks the "x" on the Dart tab.
Any sensible person reading this is laughing at you for assuming you’re someone important.
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@badger
Why would you comment your opinion like it means anything?
Before this encounter, you were just a random nobody.
My nickname for you gave your life meaning.
Now go clean those shoes, VP Bootlicker.
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