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@RoderickSpode
Do Christians hear voices in the head? ...........The answer is no. That is, hearing God's voice, being lead by the spirit is not hearing voices in our head.
In the case of "hearing god" I agree.
Other than that, I think the answer is yes. But like all things one doesn't have to be christian to "hear voices" or to read and understand the bible.
I think we all hear voices" in our head". It is usually ones own voice asking, deducting & fathoming. 'What will happen if I say or do this'? is probably the most common question I hear myself asking myself.
And sometimes we hear the words of others coming back to us. Advice, a quote or even a line from a movie. Comedians will no doubt hear his own voice creating jokes and gags before the words come from his lips, then we repeat those jokes and gags because we can hear those words of the comedian in our heads.. Scriptwriters often speak of hearing the voices of the characters that "they have created " and how they would like them sound on screen. Songwriters here voices in their heads all of the time when composing lyrics, and music composers tell us that they even hear the notes they want to arrange into a musical composition.
In truth we all hear voices in our own heads before we speak, it just happens so fast that we sometimes have to ask ourselves , `where did that come from'?
The better question from my stand point is, where does an actual original thought actually come from.
Then there is the schizophrenic that hears the voices of others in his head or in the case of serial killer David Berkovitz ; it was a dog called Harvey. Funny that, now I think of it, god couldn't stop killing people either. I wonder who's voice he was hearing?
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@HistoryBuff
Could you show us the time line where it is that this black man actually says "you should lay down and die because it's better for other people!!!!" ?i'm recaping his point. I[................] So basically, do not protest, do not fight back, because people who much better off than you might lose some of their stuff.
So that will be no then you cannot show us.
Maybe you can tell us what has been accomplished by the death of this black Ex police officer that someone - a black man - took the time to video instead of attempting to save his life?nothing. [..................]
And that is exactly the point being made in the video that you want to purposefully alter to suit your own beliefs and narrative.
So tell us , what has been accomplished by the rioting and burning down buildings to the ground?nothing. [.......................]
And that is exactly the point being made in the video that you want to purposefully alter to suit your own beliefs and narrative.
Interesting this black man pointed out that blacks are quick to riot and vandelise and loot and murder when a white kills a black - "BUT when a brother kill a brother, you don't care". He was talking about YOU, to YOU . You fell silent and skipped over my comment on just that point hereno, it is just a really irrelevant point in the terms of protest.
No. It proves that thee people are not there to protest about a black man - one of their own- being unlawfully killed. They are there to rob , destroy , vandalize , maim and murder if needs be... and to film their dying brother take their last breath on this planet.
You are no better than the animal videoing this brave black mans last gasps of life on the earth; a disgrace to humanity.so wanting a corrupt, abusive system to be reformed is "a disgrace to humanity"?
And again you want to rewrite what I have actually written.
you don't understand my point,
I think I do. So let me take a leaf out of your book; You are saying even when a "brother murders and other brother" it is insignificant and no one can gain from it. Where as, when a white man murderers a black brother then there are legitimate excuses and reasons to riot, rob , murder, maim and burn buildings and black, hard - worked for businesses to the ground.
you don't understand the issue,
No. You are ignoring the issue
you are really racist.
"racist" . A word that has been so used and abused by black and white that it lost all true sense of meaning and definition, by libtards.
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@RoderickSpode
Why have you abandoned yet another one of your own threads?
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@Imabench
Short Version: Im like 80% sure Chauvin is going to get off and be found not guilty of the main charge against him for killing Floyd
Then the good people of the USA are in for more of the shite that is being thrown at them at this moment in time. And that will include more dead black people killed by other black people. But I am sure CNN will cover those future riots fairly and balanced just as they have the riots and murders of present.
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@HistoryBuff
@HistoryBuff
lol what a joke. basically, what have you accomplished by fighting for your rights?!?!?! you should lay down and die because it's better for other people!!!!
You certainly are a bit of a snide creep when it comes to misrepresenting what it is that people have actually said or asked, arn't you?
Could you show us the time line where it is that this black man actually says "you should lay down and die because it's better for other people!!!!" ?
Of course you can't. You are just doing what you did with me and always do. You are adding shite to the commentary and THEN commenting and making an argument around what no one has said, ONLY YOU!
Maybe you can tell us what has been accomplished by the death of this black Ex police officer that someone - a black man - took the time to video instead of attempting to save his life?
So tell us , what has been accomplished by the rioting and burning down buildings to the ground?
What has been accomplished by the looting and destroying of "multiple black businesses" by other black people ?
What has been accomplished by the death of this black father and grandfather who turned up to help his friend from having his business and livelihood stolen and decimated by other black people?
Interesting this black man pointed out that blacks are quick to riot and vandelise and loot and murder when a white kills a black - "BUT when a brother kill a brother, you don't care". He was talking about YOU, to YOU . You fell silent and skipped over my comment on just that point here>>#99. You are no better than the animal videoing this brave black mans last gasps of life on the earth; a disgrace to humanity.
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@EtrnlVw
What if we associated our conscious activity with radio wave frequencies that occur at varying levels (physical sense perception level/channel and up...)What if we associated ourselves as actual radio receptors capable of receiving various frequenciesWhat if spiritual communication/encounters were simply taking place at another range of frequencyWhat if we were capable of adjusting our receptors channels to pick up on different ranges of communicational frequenciesWhat if prayer, spiritual practices and or meditation was a form of adjusting one's channel of receiving various ranges of frequencies
What if every word of every story in the bible was true and provable, with factual , real hard immovable and indisputable evidence? What if?
But it isn't and can be proven to be unreliable and easily disproved with fact and real hard immovable and indisputable evidence?
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@BrotherDThomas
Oh my, if there ever was a thread that pseudo-christians will RUN AWAY from, your thread is it!
And it is as I have guessed Brother.
Christians, imo, simply cannot justify these anomalous contradictory half stories and claims made in the biblical scriptures. They prefer it appears to "interview " one another or share fawning sycophantic stories of imagined experiences that they have had with Jesus their god, ( that includes you Brother). A god that cannot make up his mind from one verse to the next and can never get his story straight.
And how for instance can this be justified not to mention explained?
To a baying mob - "I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish" Genesis 19:8
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@ILikePie5
I feel for America. I really do.
I am hopeful for America that The Donald will be overwhelmingly re-elected.
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@HistoryBuff
what would they protest?That Islam is not compatible with western society for a start.so you are arguing that people should protest based on bigotry that isn't true?
No. I did say people should protest that Islam is not compatible with western society for a start.
I agree. And in this case the message should have been that mass illegal immigration and Islam is not compatible with western society.i see. so you want mass racism. gotcha. well, no thanks.
No. And I don't understand how you can actually read what I wrote and then rewrite what I have clearly wrote to able you to respond to something that I haven't wrote.
No. Islam.well that would be wildly illegal. you want to ban religions? you want government to decide what religious beliefs are good and bad? That is a horrible idea.
No. I want it banned publicly and all mosques shut down and all known radicals expelled to their country of origin where they can hate the west from a distance and preach and pray about what they like and to whom they like. But I know that won't happen. I would also like Islam to reform but I know that cannot ever happen.
I notice you left out the Black on Black murders happening ever day in Sadiq Khan's London.why would I include something that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic?
Black on Black murders are just as unjust and illegal as a white man murdering a black man. Or do you know something that I do not. Is a black man killing a black man some how less unlawful and the effects less devastating for the relatives of said dead black man killed by another black man?
We are talking about systemic racism and the fight against it.
I thought we were talking about the riots that some are calling peaceful protests caused by an incident where a black man was murdered by a white man and the chaos that has followed.
why don't we bring up public drunkenness too
Was the Black Man who was murdered by the white man murdered for being drunk?
since you want to talk about irrelevant other forms of crime.
No. I was talking about unlawful killings where in one case the result is country and world wide riots, protests and demonstrations, where property is vandalised or burned to the ground, wide spread looting and people harmed, and the other there is total silence as was in the case of Lee Rigby & little Emily Jones murdered in broad daylight by people NOT WHITE!
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@ RationalMadman
Apply to be interviewed on your philosophical and/or religious outlook.A genuinely interesting theme for a thread. Well done .Is this a new & original idea or where you "inspired" to start this particular type of thread?If you read the first words of what I wrote, you'd have the answer.
So its not an original idea and was inspired by someone else >> Open Invitation: Street Epistemology
That is a shame. And I thought that it was such a novel idea for a out of the ordinary topic , too.
This is not just because Jeff made his interviews,this is actually something I have always wanted to do.
Looks like you were just piped at the post . Maybe you can take some comfort from the point that you may have thought about it first before someone else acted on your original thought.
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@ RationalMadman
Apply to be interviewed on your philosophical and/or religious outlook.
A genuinely interesting theme for a thread. Well done .
Is this a new & original idea or where you "inspired" to start this particular type of thread?
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Since I came to this forum it has dawned on me that those that `believe ` and are devoted to Christianity only seem to want to discuss the "qualities " of god and or Jesus; how "god loves us" and cares for us and how "Jesus died for us". How Jesus literally "healed the sick and the blind". How he was "taken up to heaven" literally. And of course, discuss the lovely beautiful place called paradise we are said to go to when we are dead- if we have been good .
Christians never seem to be able to or really want to discuss the actual content of biblical scriptures themselves. These scriptures that are supposed to be the inspired words of their god Jesus are full of unexplainable, ambiguous, contradictory half stories and verses that Christians just don't seem to want to face and fail to explain when they try.
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[A] Matthew 10:34 "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword".
[B] Luke 22:36 "He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one [a sword]".
[C] Matthew 26:52 "Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword".
So, the intention is clear at [A] and [B] seems to support the intentions of [A] that is until we get to [C] which contradicts both [A] & [B]. Not to mention that Christians call their God Jesus "the Prince of Peace", while Exodus tells us that their God Jesus is a man of war and a Jealous god. while Job 5:2 informs us that; "Surely resentment destroys the fool, and jealousy kills the simple.
A Christian will try to explain this away by informing you, that it is you that is at fault and not the scripture, with various reasons including that "you cannot read" or worse.
Christians want the educated 21st century person just to accept everything that is said about god and Jesus without question as was the case hundreds of thousands of years BC & early AD. Christians appear to have ignored that fact that the human race has educated itself since the days of Noah & Moses and all those other biblical patriarchs and that superstition hardly plays no part in 21st century man's thinking.
Aaron's staff turned into a serpent, it was a miracle performed by god. The Egyptian priests staffs were also turned into serpents, but by black magic.
Christians, ALWAYS take it as a direct insult to themselves and their faith when approached with these anomalous biblical contradictory half stories. And to point out the hundreds of biblical contradictions to Christians it is taken that the questioner as being audacious and insulting. Do they not realise that by taking this attitude and stance against those that question these unreliable scriptures that they themselves are contradicting the instructions their own scriptures!?
I take it as a direct insult when I am told that I "cannot read". That "I am taking thing out of context". That "I will never be able to understand - unless I believe". any many of the hundreds of insults and excuses they will throw at anyone simply that simply question what is there to be questioned. Christians simply forget that the questioner has absolutely nothing to defend when discussing and disputing claims made in the biblical scriptures.
Christians need to understand that today, in the 21st century, one doesn't have to have faith and believe in their god Jesus, before they can read the bible for themselves and on their own.
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@HistoryBuff
I didn't see a single protest or demonstration when Lee Rigby had his head removed in broad daylight on the afternoon of 22 May 2013 by two black Muslims.what would they protest?
That Islam is not compatible with western society for a start.
Protests are intended to send a message to governemnt.
I agree. And in this case the message should have been that mass illegal immigration and Islam is not compatible with western society. And that the libtard Labour Government's experiment of enforced "multiculturalism" hasn't worked and has been a detriment to western society and has failed catastrophically.
Would that message be to crack down on muslims?
No. Islam.
Emily Jones, a seven-year-old girl stabbed to death in front of her mother - on mothers day- by a woman of "ethnic minority" origin. No a single demonstration or protest.again, what would the protest be for? To crack down on minorities? To punish murderers? They are already doing that.
No . Crack down the immigration of people to the west who simply hate whites and the west. I am still puzzled over the fact that these people hate our country and the west in general so much but still want to come here and change it to the shit hole that they apparently " escaped " from.
I notice you left out the Black on Black murders happening ever day in Sadiq Khan's London. he has turned London into a shithole. These black on black murders it turns out are indigenous black Britons defending themselves against black African immigrants. Any comments on that? You missed it first time around here #99
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@RoderickSpode
Would you consider this evidence of a higher intelligence (God, a god/deity, extraterrestrials)?
No.
If not why?
No evidence.
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They held some kind of sympathy protest in London over George Floyd's killing by a white cop and they plan more.
I didn't see a single protest or demonstration when Lee Rigby had his head removed in broad daylight on the afternoon of 22 May 2013 by two black Muslims.
Emily Jones, a seven-year-old girl stabbed to death in front of her mother - on mothers day- by a woman of "ethnic minority" origin. No a single demonstration or protest.
Then there is also the fact that Muslim Mayor Sadiq Khan's London has turned into a murderers paradise where of Black on Black murders are happening ever day of every year.
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@RoderickSpode
Romans 10:14-15 New International Version (NIV)
14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?
who are the "they"?
15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent?
That makes absolutely no sense on its own. Anyone can and does preach about anything. Why do you believe one has to be sent, and sent by whom?
Sometimes these verses are used to suggest that there are and have been remote peoples who never heard of Jesus and the Bible, and thus had no chance of being saved.
And are you suggesting that too? If so - saved from what? Why do they need saving. Who is going to save them? How do you know they need saving. What do you believe will happen to these people if they are not "saved"?
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@ fauxlaw,
There have always been chickens.
Wrong again. And this is why you cannot work out the chicken and the egg enigma
You may have read Darwin's On the Origin of Species, but if you read his follow-up, The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex,
Well we know you haven't read either. If you had, you would know which came first. And one doesn't have to have read neither of these books either. My 12 year old granddaughter didn't have to. She worked it out all on here own..... at the age of only 7 years old.
I keep telling you. It was the egg that came before the Chicken. Just let that sink in slowly.
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@ fauxlaw,
You wonder why your blocked.
No I don't wonder at all.
. You seemed more bothered that you have blocked me, than I do. I don't care. It interesting to watch you come groveling to my own threads and respond to me on others although you have me on block. It clearly shows your hypocrisy and double standards.
Do you not realize how silly that looks.
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@ fauxlaw,
it was the egg.Explain your logic.
Hahhahahahhaha. You have me on block yet ask me to explain myself to you. What a fkn piss taking liberty.
Explain your logic.
My 12 year old granddaughter worked that one out....... when she was 7 years old.
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@RoderickSpode
I'm just not going to respond to your posts.
Well that lasted all of how long?
I'm not going to go back to other threads to collect examples of what I consider uncivilized comments.
Would persisting in accusing someone you don't even know of "stealing" and of being a plagiarizing thief, be considered "uncivilized" by you? Stop playing victim just because your OP has been shown to be at fault from the start.
When I say misuse of the word religion, I don't necessarily mean misinterpretation (although it can be that). An example of what I mean would be where someone might address a specific negative belief or action of a specific religion, denomination, faction, group, or individual; and then refer to religion as a whole being the problem. In other words, claiming that religion itself is responsible for Muslim terrorist attacks, Westboro Baptist Church bigotry, etc.
And here is my point, AGAIN. You were "specific" in what you claimed. You claimed Dawkins had "lumped all Abraham religions together" when it came to those horrific acts of terrorism of 9/11. And then claimed that Dawkins was "specific" about which religion was responsible for 9/11. But then insisted further still that he was limping all "Abrahamic religions together" he did no such thing. I have said at #19
"Dawkins is an open atheist and believes that all religions are a detriment to the human race. He makes no secret of it. Now if you want to take that as "lumping ALL religions" together then you may have a point. But I am sure that Dawkins is pretty sure of which of these "Abrahamic" religions are the most detrimental to the human race and it cannot reform either. And I am just as sure that Dawkins knows exactly which religion IS responsible for 9/11. "
Someone gives accurate detail on what happened on 9/11, but then adds something like this is what religion does to people.
Are you saying that Islam did not cause the actions of these Islamic fanatics. Because Dawkins claimed it did and I agree with him.. Are you making yet another unsubstantiated claim. Are you saying that Islam was not the cause of this horrific attack by people of the Islamic faith? Because this IS what religion can and does and do to people.
Did not god/s cause people to got to war? Islam teaches war against the unbeliever. The Old Testament is a book of war it starts after the creation epic and it doesn't stop. It is death and destruction all the way. And all on the instruction of a god a "Abrahamic god" . The god that you have adopted as your own god, the same god as Jews and Muslims. You did it to yourselves. You did all the "lumping together". Not Dawkins.
I used the example of Dawkins' reference to Abrahamic religion in conjunction with the 9/11 attack. Again, not at all an issue of interpretation.
You put up link believing they somehow supported your case. They didn't and you know it. That is why you couldn't point to something specific in one of those links . You probably didn't realize that for most of one of those links Dawkins was quoting others. The war criminal British PM Tony Blair, for one.
Dawkins knows exactly what Abrahamic religion means.
He does. And he used it appropriately.
The misuse is really the idea of relating it to the attacks at all.
Why not? It was not misuse if it was true. which it was. It was a terrorist attack in the name of Islam as commanded by the Muslim god. World leaders tried to say this "has nothing to do with Islam" when everyone with the slightest bit common sense knows it was. and the west hasn't seen the last of Islamic terrorism either,IMO.
You really should stop treating the Brother as some kind of lunatic and read what he wrote. Dawkins made sure he didn't include and "lump all Abraham religions together when it came to terrorism of 9/11, but he should have, because as the Brother clearly pointed out:
BrotherDThomas wrote: "TRUE Muslim has to follow ALL of the inspired and literal words of Allah within the Qu’ran. Both contradicting faiths have no choice in the matter if we are going to follow our specific religions, period! [................] when “W” attacked the Muslims and their God Allah, whereas Allah is the same God as Jesus in being from the Abrahamic linage, he attacked Jesus as well! See the ramifications of these Biblical axioms? ". #6
You should take that^^^ above, on board and into consideration.
[A] As I have have already mentioned ; this is the rod that Christians made for their own back and has come about because Christians decided to adopt an ancient god that they knew nothing or understood anything about, and from a time and culture over hundreds of thousands of years ago that they knew absolutely nothing about .
If you don't like all Abrahamic religions being "lumped together" then you should have chosen another god. As Christians Muslims and Jews all appear to share the same god as the Brother made perfectly clear to you.
The promises made to Islamic soldiers committing suicide is not a religious issue.
Then you don't know a thing about the Islamic faith. Holy jihad is not a request it is a religious command.
an Islamic issue, or an issue promoted by specific Muslims. It's got nothing to do with Judaism or Christianity.
See [A] above. This is the dilemma you have found yourself in now ,isn't it. You share the same god. Your god , like it or not has you in checkmate. Just as the Brother (in his own fashion) tried to explain to you.
Is Richard Dawkins brain dead? No.
That's correct, And did he lump all Abraham religions together concerning those horrific attack as you claim.? No.
I would go as far to say that it would have been inappropriate to lump all Muslims in a terrorist category. #1
Did he say all Muslims were terrorist as you appeared to claim? No
Not everyone is going to properly scrutinize/analyze what RD or any atheist or humanist activist has to say.
Well we know you didn't, don't we. Because if anything, those links that you posted support my case far more than they do yours.
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@RationalMadman
I am talking about god of reality, not that fictional character but the actual god.
And where did you come across this particular god?
If God created evil first, it means that God didn't know how to undo evil without ruining what we are.
If this god was able to create us, then he could just simply scrap his first model and recreate us all over again , perfect like the biblical god is said to have done. Or is this god not as clever as the biblical god.
And you mentioned nothing about this particular god at all in your OP. Was that so you could just state anything in your defense concerning your thoughts, opinions or theory about this god that only you seem to know; there by leaving you holding all the cards , so to speak.
It is very difficult to create beings with individuality and not creating the evil ones among them. The idea being that God ensured there'd be heroes to balance out the villains with a hindsight aspect.
Can you offer any evidence for those claims? Such as what material caused you to have this opinion about a god that only you seem to know.
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@ fauxlaw,
This argument seems a bit like the chicken and egg question,
It is nothing like it and there is a perfectly good answer to the Chicken & Egg question; it was the egg.
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@RationalMadman
You haven't addressed the questions I asked you.
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I am talking about god of reality, not that fictional character but the actual god.
And where did you come across this particular god?
If God created evil first, it means that God didn't know how to undo evil without ruining what we are.
If this god was able to create us, then he could just simply scrap his first model and recreate us all over again , perfect like the biblical god is said to have done. Or is this god not as clever as the biblical god.
And you mentioned nothing about this particular god at all in your OP. Was that so you could just state anything in your defense concerning your thoughts, opinions or theory about this god that only you seem to know there by leaving you holding all the cards , so to speak.
It is very difficult to create beings with individuality
I think you'll find society, surroundings and upbringing create individuality.....
.......and not creating the evil ones among them. The idea being that God ensured there'd be heroes to balance out the villains with a hindsight aspect.
Can you offer any evidence for those claims? Such as what material caused you to have this opinion about a god that only you seem to know.
P>S> It is so rude to have members on block when you can respond to their comments but they are unable to reply to your own, RationalMadman
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@RationalMadman
God created evil first.
Not that I agree with a single thing that you have wrote on this matter, but what difference does it make? 1st or 2nd?
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@RationalMadman
If everyone gives as good as they get and acts reasonable,
The Law of the Prophets Matthew 7:12.
.....and one evil person shows up, it then means that there is a victim or two
"But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also". Matthew 5:39
God must have first created us selfish and brutal, not the other way around, and what happened was that he/she/it discovered the true beauty lies in having good people to prevent the evil.
Why did god seem to have terminated Satan's punishment of crawling on his belly & eating dirt for the rest of his days?
"You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life". Genesis 3:14
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@BrotherDThomas
Stephen, do you think that the pseudo-christian EtrnlVw is afraid of the "believing" part of Matthew 21:22
Greetings Brother.
EtrnlVw has trouble doing anything on his own and without his "posse". So I think that answers your question.
I would love to believe that this babe's limbs would miraculously grow - at the cost of a simply prayer- but I don't see that happening anytime soon. https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.images.express.co.uk%2Fimg%2Fdynamic%2F78%2F590x%2Fsecondary%2Fbaby-born-no-arms-legs-limbs-india-903939.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.express.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld%2F793271%2Fbaby-born-no-arms-legs-india-doing-well&tbnid=mAM4du5GsEH_cM&vet=12ahUKEwiFtdGQ593pAhUw1eAKHeBlCsUQMygDegUIARCEAg..i&docid=FTAA7eSjSMW4uM&w=590&h=332&q=baby%20born%20with%20no%20arms%20or%20legs&ved=2ahUKEwiFtdGQ593pAhUw1eAKHeBlCsUQMygDegUIARCEAg
Maybe if EtrnlVw did believe in his own bullshit it may just happen. One never knows.
I wonder after seeing that picture EtrnlVw just might spare a prayer for this poor innocent baby that god loves so dearly and pray this babe's limbs into existence?
Further , I wonder if the next time EtrnlVw decides to speak to his Creator through prayer, would he ask him why did his creator even bother to create such and inflicted being such as this poor baby?
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@crossed
"did God put medicen in plants for all disease".
No he didn't. A real clever god who so much loves you and the world would have made damn sure that diseases didn't come into being in the first place.
It was god that created all things including of these deadly plagues and diseases that wreak havoc across the faulty planet that he also created, although he thought " all was good".Genesis 1:31
He sent his only son to cure only a chosen few infected with said diseases such as leprosy and blindness. One does have to ask, why didn't his only son - who also loves us- simply eradicate all leprosy and all blindness , while he was here.
I am sure that medicine is in a plant for the benefit of the plant, and we , have had to discover - on our own - that many plants also have a benefit to mankind's health and are able to cure gods cock ups, faults and deadly mistakes.
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@RoderickSpode
If you're genuinely interested in the topic, I would suggest just follow along the conversation with Ludo and I.
Why? Why should I just follow along with someone else's conversation and not scrutinize & question what you have alleged? Why won't you address the points raised by YOUR OWN comments & statements made on YOUR OWN thread?
I have other points to make,
It would be nice for you to clear up and address a few of those points that you have already made. That is the done thing as a rule. You cannot just pretend you haven't been asked something and them move quickly onto another point.
The difference is he can make them in a civilized fashion.
What is uncivilized about my responses to your op? I have addressed what you have claimed and then asked questions on what you have claimed. CAN YOU actually point to where I have been uncivilized?
[A]
The problem with the constant accusations,
This is usually the result of what comes of unsubstantiated claims.
and the whole "You Christians this, and you Christians that" really doesn't do you any good. It's just a defense mechanism.
What have I to defend here.
It distracts from the topic at hand, and simply moves into the arena of drama.
I have addressed the whole of your OP. I can promise you that nothing you have claimed has been a distraction to me.
But you seem reluctant to address anything I have said. It is you that is making all the unsubstantiated "accusations" that you have mentioned at [A] above. This is what is distracting, YOU not addressing my responses and questions raised by your own allegations.
I'm just not going to respond to your posts. At least not at this point.
So now that I have corrected you on the allegations that YOU have made and on YOUR OWN thread , you want to take your ball back and go home.
This is why many threads die a death so, so quickly.
But you might want to ask yourself why people at times have blocked you.
I don't care that people "block me". I know people block me as an excuse not to answer my questions , because they can't! It is the same as simply not responding. But they do respond don't they, they just cannot keep away. And it is a cowards way of arguing.
I notice AGAIN you have failed to answer my questions or even address my points or opinions. But you post links containing the opinions of others that you suggest I should read and take note of in defense of your own arguments and claims. This will be the DOUBLE STANDARDS I spoke of in the last two lines of this post here>> #19
Why can you not just admit that you may have been a little hasty in your judgment or opinion or accusations.? Or are those words not in your tool box of real honest-to - god excuses?
You missed this, AGAIN!>>
Misuse of the word "religion"
And how was pointing to a religion in the case 9/11 a "misuse of the word religion"?
I would go as far to say that it would have been inappropriate to lump all Muslims in a terrorist category.
Dawkins hasn't done that. He is not that stupid or brain dead to do so.
it was inappropriate to lump all Abrahamic religions into one terrorist group
It would. But did he say followers of all these religions are terrorists?
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@RoderickSpode
What in particular are you trying to point out in that ( your link) link, above?
What specifically is it in that link that you are claiming supports your OP?
And the link above simply states the obvious: One can be duped & brainwashed & indoctrinated into doing almost anything especially killing in the name of R_E_L_I_G_I_O_N. In this case young uneducated Muslim men were duped into "flying these planes into buildings" by ISLAM. This is not "lumping" all religions together, Abrahamic or otherwise.
"Could we get some otherwise normal humans and somehow persuade them that they are not going to die as a consequence of flying a plane smack into a skyscraper? If only! Nobody is that stupid, but how about this - it's a long shot, but it just might work. Given that they are certainly going to die, couldn't we sucker them into believing that they are going to come to life again afterwards? Don't be daft! No, listen, it might work. Offer them a fast track to a Great Oasis in the Sky, cooled by everlasting fountains. Harps and wings wouldn't appeal to the sort of young men we need, so tell them there's a special martyr's reward of 72 virgin brides, guaranteed eager and exclusive." <<<<<< <<<<<this is not "lumping" all religions together. It is more than clear that Dawkins has singled out Islam of the "Abrahamic religions" .
Dawkins is an open atheist and believes that all religions are a detriment to the human race. He makes no secret of it. Now if you want to take that as "lumping ALL religions" together then you may have a point. But I am sure that Dawkins is pretty sure of which of these "Abrahamic" religions are the most detrimental to the human race and it cannot reform either. And I am just as sure that Dawkins knows exactly which religion IS responsible for 9/11.
I have said many times on this forum - to use your on term of phrase - that this "lumping together" as you put it, has come about because Christians decided to adopt an ancient god that they knew nothing or understood anything about, and from a time and culture over hundreds of thousands of years ago that they knew absolutely nothing about . You have made a rod for your own back and are left in a place where you have to continually defend the indefensible; which in turn causes you to lie, back-peddle, rewrite the scriptures and even contradict your own scriptures and often use double standard when your back is against the wall. You just cannot let go of the CLEAR FACT, that Jesus was Jew and not a Christian.
You missed this>>
Misuse of the word "religion"
And how was pointing to a religion in the case 9/11 a "misuse of the word religion"?
I would go as far to say that it would have been inappropriate to lump all Muslims in a terrorist category.
Dawkins hasn't done that. He is not that stupid or brain dead to do so.
it was inappropriate to lump all Abrahamic religions into one terrorist group
It would. But did he say followers of all these religions are terrorists?
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@BrotherDThomas
Deduced down to its irreducible primary, the only difference between the Jihadist Muslim terrorist and the regular Muslim, is that the terrorist Muslim actually follows what their Allah's Qur’an tells them to do in the killing of all non-believers of their faith, especially if their country was attacked by the infidels of the United States!
Spot on Brother! "There is no such thing as a moderate Islam " Recep Tayyip Erdoğan
"“Islam cannot be either ‘moderate’ or ‘not moderate.’ Islam can only be one thing,” Erdoğan said in a speech at a program hosted in Ankara by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) on women’s entrepreneurship on Nov. 9.
“Recently the concept of ‘moderate Islam’ has received attention. But the patent of this concept originated in the West,” Erdoğan said.
“Perhaps the person voicing this concept thinks it belongs to him. No, it does not belong to you,” he added, noting that he was “asked about ‘moderate Islam’ at meetings in the European Parliament many years ago.” Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan
The Muslim president of Turkey should know what he is talking about, I'm sure. He is the proud descendant of at least 5!!!!! Islamic Empires. These Islamic Empires just didn't come about by the Muslims strolling into a country and asking politely if they could take it over and would it all of its citizens mind very much submitting to Allah and converting to the Islamic faith, of that I am also sure.
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@ludofl3x
His point was that Christianity and Islam both have mandates in their holy texts to convert non-believers
With a slight difference. Islam says submit or die. Christianity has managed to reform and drag itself into the 21 st century, whereas Islam hasn't and cannot do that. And you won't find a single instruction from the Christ instructing his followers to convert non believers to Christianity by the sword for his names sake. Unlike the god of Quran - 8:39
"fight them until there is no fitnah and[until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. ".
The Christ of the NT teaches "love they neighbour" and "turn the other cheek" and tolerance, while the god of the Quran says 51- You, who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact]allies of one another. You can just see and feel the tolerance dripping from that verse , can't you?
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@RoderickSpode
Well you asked if I thought you stole something from me, and I basically answered your question by saying no.
Stop telling lies. You went further and continued the false claim and then crept away when it was shown the ridiculous accusation was false.
"So, how did it [stealing] all start? Did you start by stealing your classmate's show and tell ideas in the second grade? "#10
Are you aware that it's been thus locked?
Of course I am, it was at my suggestion that RationalMadman requested it to be locked. Go read it #42
Anyway. I suggest you continue to address the Brothers thread, ?
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@RoderickSpode
Misuse of the word "religion"
And how was pointing to a religion in the case 9/11 a "misuse of the word religion"?
Although he was specific in terms of what group he felt responsible,
He was and I think you mean "which group" he felt "was" responsible. It was Islam. At least have the balls to say so.
made a public statement chastening the general public for not condemning Abrahamic religion
Did he? Did he actually use those words "Abrahamic religion"?
Although he was specific in terms of what group he felt responsible,
That's right he didn't used the words " a Abrahamic religion was responsible for this horrific attack", at all did he? He pointed to Islam . Yes, Islam where in the Quran you will find strict instructions to "kill Christians" where ever you can find them.
it was inappropriate to lump all Abrahamic religions into one terrorist group involving an attack made by terrorists from a specific Islamic sect.
He didn't "lump" anything together at all though did he. Why are you making shite up? You have admitted YOURSELF that he was "SPECIFIC" in who was responsible for this horrific attack.
I would go as far to say that it would have been inappropriate to lump all Muslims in a terrorist category.
So would anyone with a single celled brain. What is you point? If you happen to have one? Did Dawkins "lump all Muslims" in a terrorist category? Muslims themselves are the greatest victims of Islam.
This is obvious because most Muslims, at least certainly in the western world were appalled.
And what was the reaction to the vile savage attack in the Middle East, where most Muslims just happen to live?
Often times the word religion is used when identifying a negative situation involving a specific religion.
Well religion ( Islam in this SPECIFIC CASE in question) does that itself. The Quran instructs is adherents do wage "holy Jihad " against the unbeliever until all "religion" is for Allah.
I am failing to see the point of this thread that you have created based on lies and misrepresentations of Dawkins opinions and statements .
So let us see some evidence that Dawkins "lumped all Muslims into the category as terrorists".
Let us see some evidence that Dawkins accused all "Abraham religions" as being responsible for the attacks on 9/11.
If you fail to do so, then this fraudulent thread based on lies should be locked and binned.
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@RoderickSpode
What would you have us debate?"us" ! ?Hahahhahahhahahhahahahhahhahahhahahhahhaha . Why don't you start an "interesting " thread of your own?I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
And I am not surprised. It takes only seconds to lose you in any topic that happens to be biblical. #42
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@RoderickSpode
What would you have us debate?
"us" ! ?
Hahahhahahhahahhahahahhahhahahhahahhahhaha . Why don't you start an "interesting " thread of your own?
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@RationalMadman
You both have concluded a link between Jesus and Lucifer
The bible did that all on it's own. I simply asked "Could it really be that Lucifer is just another name for Jesus of which he had many.?"? #1
as well as even to Allah
No, I had nothing to do with that. That was the Brothers own hard work and research that caused him to come to that conclusion and well before you.
Still, I appreciate your apology. It's more than many of the Christian cowards here can force themselves to do even when caught out in blatant lies or contradictions.
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@RoderickSpode
RoderickSpode then wrote how did it allstart? Did you start by stealing your classmate's showand tell ideas in the second grade? What? #10Stephen wrote: And are you suggesting that I have stolen something from yourself or RationalMadman? If so ,what was it that I stole from you or s/he? #23
SPODE then decided to back-peddle on his blatant lies and deny that he was accusing me of stealing someone else’s work, and “ idea”
Do any of these theist ever keep up with their own comments, lies , contradictions and double standards?
AND To the embarrassment of SPODE, RationalMadman made an apology for his accusation against me. To which I gave him credit with a thumbs up.
RationalMadman wrote: Stephen, I take back that you copied me, you came to the conclusion yourself most likely. or
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Melcharaz, wrote> he is refrenced as son of the morning.Well I just referenced again and BIBLICALLY it states this>>>Revelation 22: 16 kjv . I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.Isaiah 14:12 Niv12 How you have fallen from heaven,morning star, son of the dawn!You have been cast down to the earth,you who once laid low the nations!So either the scriptures are at fault, or you are. which is it?Melcharaz, wrote> niv is not very good. You didnt even try to look at the hebrew. I guess the truth doesnt matter to you.
So then the bible is wrong. Which in turn throws more heavy doubt onto the whole of the English version of the scriptures. Bringing them into serious question and dispute
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@RationalMadman
I take back that you copied me, you came to the conclusion yourself most likely.
I have accepted you apology here >>> #42 Please read it carefully.
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@RationalMadman
I take back that you copied me,
I accept your apology. Thank you.
Now do yourself a big favor RationalMadman and ask moderation to close and lock this thread as you have now apologized for making a false allegation against me. Causing others to consider me a plagiarizing "thief" and post derogatory comments about me.
you came to the conclusion yourself most likely
You really have not understood at all what I wrote have you? I didn't come to any conclusion. I only asked a question and made not a single claim. I posted two biblical verses side by side where one appears to confirm the "Lucifer is Jesus" theory, biblically.
I am still patiently waiting a response from the Christian community here. I have to say, they seem very reluctant to explain away the conclusion that many scholars and theologians - before you - have come to concerning the " Lucifer is Jesus" theory.
just to remind you, this is what I actually wrote:
" Could it really be that Lucifer is just another name for Jesus of which he had many.? We are never allowed to forget that Jesus was with god from the beginning, as was Lucifer Satan /devil serpent, where he was also known as the Word. John 1"
Here is the link to the thread in question, https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4216-lucifer-and-jesus?page=1
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I had just taken a large swig at the same time I clicked on it Brother. I don't have to explain what happened next. I think may need a new keyboard.
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@BrotherDThomas
Stephen,As you can see, RATIONALMADMAN stole my concept of Jesus is Allah! I have touted that concept for over 30 years, and he must have seen one of my dissertations upon this topic on the internet! How dare he steal from me, and not give me credit, or at least tell where he got this inspiration from, which was me, in the same vein as he is accusing you regarding Jesus and Lucifer!Rationalmadman is a "copy-cat" poster!
First of all Brother I will correct that for you , if I may.
Rational madman is a Plagiarizing "copy-cat" poster!
I have read all 4 of those links provided by the great Plagiarizing "copy-cat" poster RationalMadman and the odd thing is, is that they do not prove his own claim that his work is original or that he was first to suggest the Jesus is Lucifer theory!
What one of those links - His links - does prove is that he has clearly plagiarized your own work Brother and attempted to pass it off as his own hard work and years of research. And the best part about it all for me, is that the gullible RoderickSpodes of the forum have fallen for it and attempted to make use of it in attacking me as some type of thief! You couldn't make it up.
Topic's author#1 "The following works are not open source, they are property of Rational Madman and posted here copying from his Google Docs. If you copy paste this as your own work, you are using original ideas that time-stamps WILL disprove in the long-run as you won't have the Google doc created before RM.Through his connections, the ghost of Jesus got hold of a guy/girl warlock/witch-type spirit who could enable him to project his voice and even to completely possess, at times, the man named Muhammad (selected carefully as he was already prone by brain chemistry to instability, which like Jedi Mind Trick makes him a very easy target as he's weak-minded in the first place). This led to what we now know as Islam.
I notice not single one of the gullible RoderickSpodes of the forum has even taken up the challenge to counter and debunk Rational Madman on his thread that makes these sacrilegious claims here >>https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1420-rms-story-of-lucifer
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@RoderickSpode
And are you suggesting that I have stolen something from yourself or RationalMadman? If so , what was it that I stole from you or s/he?I hadn't given any thought to that. Why? Do you feel guilty about something?
You have hit the buffers haven't you. Both massive feet in your gummy mouth.
You suggested I may steal something from you yet offer absolutely no reason why you should even think this about me. This is you're pathetic comment , isn't it? >>>>>> " If I say something interesting, you might steal it."#8 <<<<<<<<< What ever have I said or done to have caused you to believe that I might or would "steal from you"?
Are you agreeing with accusation in the title of this thread? Did you even read the accusation, that was so easily debunked by your own scripture . Not to mention that the forum coward fauxlaw blew this very silly and wild accusation clean out of the water with his first post on the matter.#24 <<<<< try reading it.
If I say something interesting, .
There is absolutely no danger of you doing that,is there. There have been clowns in their embryonic stages of development that can and have produced two word sentences that are more captivating and interesting than anything that you will ever live to produce. You are no good on your own are you? Not now you are dealing now with person, indeed persons, who can think for themselves for a change and not the fawning sycophants that you are used to preaching and lying to.
You keep missing this petal, In Bold, just for you.
" Could it really be that Lucifer is just another name for Jesus of which he had many.? We are never allowed to forget that Jesus was with god from the beginning, as was Lucifer Satan /devil serpent, where he was also known as the Word. John 1"Here is the link to the thread in question, https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4216-lucifer-and-jesus?page=1 go read the question I posed
And thank you for plugging my thread, again.
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@RationalMadman
At least admit I inspired you on that theory..........Stephen has stolen my idea that Lucifer is Jesus.
Well the forum coward fauxlaw has demolished that bullshit for me when he quite rightly said :
Unfortunately, your earliest post of Feb 2019 follows, at least, by 27 years, or 2,000 years, the first century Gnosticism, some of whom alleged that Lucifer is Jesus. An Encyclopaedia of Occultism: A Compendium of Information on the Occult Sciences, Occult Personalities, Psychic Science, Magic, Demonology, Spiritism, Mysticism, and Metaphysics, Lewis Spence, 1993. #24
But I have pointed out , Jesus (if the bible and Christian theologians are to be believed) , himself said it . So that would be at least 2,000 years before your "idea"?
See for yourself>>>
OT :Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!
Jesus calls himself;
" the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.” (Revelation 22:16)…
I personally don't know what to make of it all and the Christians have given it a wide birth as far as any discussion goes. I suppose it is a bit embarrassing for them to discuss or even too difficult for them to explain away and play down, which is their usual modus operandi when it comes to prickly awkward questions concerning such highlighted ambiguous biblical verses.
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@RationalMadman
In my theory Satan isn't Lucifer and Jesus isn't God.
Your theory is that Lucifer is Jesus is (voice of) Muhammad, inventor of Islam, whose god is Allah
RationalMadman wrote: "Through his connections, the ghost of Jesus got hold of a guy/girl warlock/witch-type spirit who could enable him to project his voice and even to completely possess, at times, the man named Muhammad (selected carefully as he was already prone by brain chemistry to instability, which like Jedi Mind Trick makes him a very easy target as he's weak-minded in the first place). This led to what we now know as Islam".https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1420-rms-story-of-lucifer
I am sure that went down well with the Christian community here? You must have sent them into a tail spin. I bet there was a frenzy of complaints and objections, to your claim, wasn't there? I bet they didn't let up on you did they? I bet they soon put you right and shot fkn great holes in your theory that Jesus the Jew, born of the Royal house of King David spoke through Muhammad the great prophet of the Islamic god Allah.
I bet they bombarded your thread with hateful derogatory comments and simply for having a different opinion to them. Shame on them , eh. Lets read some of those hateful and derogatory comments shall we>>>>> #1
Where as I didn't even pose a theory or even make a claim unless of course, you consider asking a question to be the same as making a claim. This is what I wrote:
OT. Isaiah 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!Jesus (their god) also says of himself;"I am the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.” (Revelation 22:16)…Could it really be that Lucifer is just another name for Jesus of which he had many.? We are never allowed to forget that Jesus was with god from the beginning, as was Lucifer Satan /devil serpent, where he was also known as the Word. John 1
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@BrotherDThomas
The Jehovah Witness religion is proof that Satan does exist!!!
I would be tempted to throw in with you on that score Brother had I been a believer.
Satan/Lucifer/Jesus /Jehovah/ Allah //////, has had is name bandied around quite lot on the forum in your absence Brother, so I must say again, your return is timely.
I was of age to be in the Air Force as a “Wild Weasel” driver where I flew with the 67th Fighter Squadron in the Bull Sh*t Nam war. We had a "draft" at the time, where if we had one now, you'd pee in your pants! If you didn't have an iron-clad excuse to get out of the Nam experience, you were to essentially be "cannon fodder" in a needless war, or you left the USA altogether. Therefore I picked the Air Force and was able to return, where 3 of my friends weren't that lucky, and all for nothing!
And I salute you for that Brother.
I Remember thousands of American teenagers " Draft dodgers" all of a sudden claiming duel nationality or a British nationality because they somehow had ties here in Britain. Or did have a genuine British family relation with which they could harbor throughout that vile wasteful conflict.
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@RoderickSpode
you might steal it.
And are you suggesting that I have stolen something from yourself or RationalMadman? If so , what was it that I stole from you or s/he?
And for the life of me I just don't see how you manage to keep missing this princess.>>>>
" Could it really be that Lucifer is just another name for Jesus of which he had many.? We are never allowed to forget that Jesus was with god from the beginning, as was Lucifer Satan /devil serpent, where he was also known as the Word. John 1"
Here is the link to the thread in question, https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4216-lucifer-and-jesus?page=1 go read the question I posed
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