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@RoderickSpode
For crying out loud. I said you do have to look at original language and translation, historical back ground, cultural context, etc.
Go and see for YOURSELF what YOU wrote originally!!!
RoderickSpode, wrote: You seem to have this idea that if something appears contradictory there's no further examination needed. There's no need to look at original language and translation, historical back ground, cultural context, etc. #27
If that was a grammatical mistake, simply say so.
That said, if you now have changed your mind OR you are saying it was a grammatical mistake let me tell you something about using "original Hebrew language" as some kind of supporting evidence for your claptrap.
On linguistic grounds, many of the Old Testament text show evidence of being composed long after the events that they portray. Mishnaic Hebrew , in which most of the OT text were written didn't evolve until the eighth century BC. And is believed that these may have been translations of even older text, written mnemonic forms occur in the narrative. Now some scholars agree, that various books of the Old Testament would make no sense if written in the form of Hebrew language that existed prior to the Assyrian occupation of Palestine around 725 BC.
Elements of the OT narrative, such as the early Genesis story were almost certainly added during an even later period following the Babylon occupation. I .e the Eden story and the flood story.
There was no mention of harm and no mention of "baldy" being harmed by these CHILDREN. there is ONLY name calling as CHILDREN DO!.A Freudian slip perhaps?
who's????
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@CaptainSceptic
I will give you an interpretation. Calling someone ignorant who asks a genuine question is pretty fucking rude.
I refer you to post#3 above.
"When all the above fails to convince then its down to the age old veiled insults of one "not being able to read" and "understand". And being Ignorant.
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@Singularity
Did I prove God hates homos?
The bible does that for you my friend.
Leviticus 20: 13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
So there is it. An "abomination" to god and worthy of death.
Of course Israelis don't sling homosexuals off of buildings as they do on the orders of their god in other parts of the world. No. the Jews have dragged themselves and their ideology into the 21st century and reformed. This is not to say that Homosexuality is not abhorrent to god any more in that part of the world and to Jews in general, but it is simply not punishable by death and is tolerated.
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- 1.allow the existence, occurrence, or practice of (something that one dislikes or disagrees with) without interference.
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@Tradesecret
Such a laughable dynamic. Of course you have to see it as vague. Otherwise you could not peddle your mis- information.
Do you actually understand the word "ambiguous"? I ask questions and scrutinse these ambiguous half stories in the scriptures. I don't believe I spread "mis-information.
People such as you require the bible to be vague.
I don't agree. This is why I highlight these ambiguous, hypocritical, biblical half told stories. I do so to watch you explain them. But you never can, without rewriting scripture and putting words into the mouths of the biblical authors and characters and certainly not without introducing the supernatural.
But the fact is most of it is pretty easy to understand and interpret.
Nope.
There are a few vagaries - there you go - I have admitted there are some.
these will not be the ones that you say :
"Well, I for one, do not believe that the bible is ambiguous at all".
And that are :
Crystal clear in fact.
This is not the issue. The issue comes to down to people such as yourself - who clearly have an agenda.
I do. I want to discuss the scriptures. I want to find out what lies beneath the fluffy stories of dead for four days stinking corpses coming back to life? I want to know why Jesus only cured a leper but not eradicate leprosy? I want to know what those who managed to get to "heaven" actually do when they get there? I want to know why Jesus wasted a perfectly good so called miracle on making water turn into wine because the wedding party was running dry, when there must have been more deserving and pressing needs to show how miraculous he was. <<<Not to mention that this is said to have been his very first miracle! I want to know hundreds of things about the bible. You just don't like it that I refuse to accept your ridiculous answers and that I refuse to accept what you say on faith alone. You keep ignoring that of what YOU believe is only faith based without a single piece of evidence to support what is only your faith and what you have faith in.<<<<< and that is something you find hard to admit .
And when someone disagrees with your agenda - you howl them down.
What you mean is that I disagree, AND say why I disagree AND offer evidence supporting my disagreement. Something apologist like yourself always fail to do without rewriting scripture and putting words into the mouths of the biblical authors and characters and presenting opinions as biblical fact AND certainly not without introducing the supernatural.
Or you make some pathetic excuse as to their character.
I think that is your forte.
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@RoderickSpode
Genesis 19:20-30 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt. 27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the Lord. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19%3A20-30&version=NIVWhere does it say she looked back out of curiosity?
Play semantics all day. But tell me did she look back out of sheer and intentional defiance?
So stop lying and making things up. Why are you attempting to add to and rewrite the scriptures AGAIN!!!? And where is the mercy shown here from "the father"?The Hebrew word for looked in this verse is nabat.to scan, i.e. look intently at; by implication to look at with pleasure, favor or care: - behold, cause to behold, consider, look, look down, regard, have respect.
You are asking me above where in the verse does it mention "curiosity". And now you want to introduce other words into the text such as - scan -look intently at - look at with pleasure, favor or care !!! It mentions none of these things at all does it. And on another thread you go to pains to tell me that " "There's no need to look at original language and translation, historical back ground,cultural context, etc." but here you are , grasping for the ancient texts like a drowning man in an attempt to excuse and explain away the total lack of mercy shown by "the father".
Do these definitions sound like someone who just got curious
No because it simply says in clear unambiguous language that she "looked back", which from a human standard would simple be out of curiosity. It wouldn't necessarily mean to "look at with pleasure, favor" or defiance. Besides she wouldn't have had time to "scan" and take in the panorama with "with pleasure and favor or to "consider anything at all". You are rewriting scripture AGAIN!
And stop telling me I'm lying and making things up.
I will when you cease putting words into the mouths of the biblical authors or presenting your biblical opinions as biblical fact.
Again, you are contradicting what the scripture actually says. There was no mention of harm and no mention of "baldy" being harmed by these CHILDREN. there is ONLY name calling as CHILDREN DO!. And young men, or children, it is all besides the point , where was the mercy shown by "the father"..Give me one good reason why this verse (amongst other verses about killing prophets) shouldn't be considered in light of the text in question?
This is exactly what I mean by YOU making things up and introducing things into these stories/scriptures that are not even there!!!!! You are an hopeless fraud.
Did "baldy"aka Elisha die? Did these "children" kill this prophet? No, he didn't and these "CHILDREN" didn't kill him either. He may have had his feeling hurt by "CHILDREN", but it didn't stop him going on his merry way even after seeing these children torn to pieces , no he didn't bat an eyelid. And "the father" showed no mercy to these little children either for doing what children do.
Go away. You are desperate to explain the unexplainable callousness of "the father" that is supposed to be "merciful".
I notice you are responding on behalf of the addressee. I don't mind but don't ever complain again whenever I do the same.
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@RoderickSpode
You don't want an explanation.
I do. So you are wrong again. Are you not sick of your opinions forever being wrong?
You want us to look at your supposed contradictions, and agree with you.
Wrong again. I want you to prove I am wrong and show that the anomalies and contradictions that I highlight are complete;y wrong, with good solid factual evidence, but again, you have failed miserably to do so.
You're questions are not questions, but statements.
You are king of the pointless and irrelevant statements that simply attack the questioner instead of addressing the question. . With that said, there are many many questions that come with my statements, that you fail EVERY TIME to address and answer.
"There's no need to look at original language and translation, historical back ground,cultural context, etc."
But it is something that YOU and other APOLOGIST do often when you have painted yourself into a corner. You reach for some ancient translation in the hope that it will some how bail you out of the tight corner you have painted yourself into. You are simply a fraud.
I asked who was going to kill Cain when according to the bible at that time-"this day" -, there were only three people on the planet? If there were others tell us who they were, where did they come from? And supply the evidence that supports your claim.I don't need to prove anything to you.
Then don't bother addressing anything I write, at all.. IT IS THAT SIMPLE!!!!! But remember all the things that I highlight come from YOUR own scripture. They are all claims made in your scripture, by Jew and supposedly early Christians. I am addressing and scrutinizing and questioning BIBLICAL claims that YOU and other apologists agree with AND support and preach to others about. SO YOU DO HAVE TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS AND YOU DO HAVE TO PROVE YOUR CLAIMS!!! Or stop preaching them and defending them
It is funny . Given that on one hand your op bangs on about life in imprisonment and death for murderers in the 21st century and the we have first murderer on the planet get the rest of the planet to roam around on, raise a family and live to over 700 years. It is ridiculously "funny".It doesn't matter what you think of Cain's punishment.
To me it does. And if it doesn't matter, why are you attempting to make up shite and invent explanations for it.
Deary me, there there , poor sole and never mind. He had just murdered his brother out of what appears to be jealousy - a trait inherited from god himself when he created us in his image - no doubt. But was granted his life to roam the world, settle down, build a family and live to over 700 year sold. Yes, far "too much to bare" for anyone I should imagine.Sentenced to 700 years on planet death row! WOW! It must have all been pure torture for the lad. Certainly no mercy shown there was there. Yes it is hilariously funny when read slowly,isn't it.“The LordGod, merciful and gracious, long suffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin …” Exodus 34:6-7.Some of your arguments come across as personal issues as opposed to logical arguments.
More opinion.
I know I asked you before, and I have no reason to think you'll answer this time, but here goes.When you're addressing God, are you addressing him as a real person, or a fictional one?
I have never addressed or spoken to god personally. I have and am though addressing someone - YOU - who believes and hangs on every word these scriptures claim and say. And then goes and preaches those same words to others as gospel truth and the word of your god. But can never ever support or back up the claims made in these scriptures.
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@Tradesecret
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->@zedvictor4 wrote; Notwithstanding the fact that scripture is notoriously ambiguous anyway.Tradesecret, wrote: Says who?Stephen wrote: I do. And this is why we have the many different Christian denominations; because they interpret the scriptures differently. They cannot all be right. Or are you going to offer your own hermetical definition as to what the word "ambiguous" means to god and Christians.?Tradesecret, wrote: Well, I for one, do not believe that the bible is ambiguous at all.
Of course you don't. That is because you interpret it to your own level of "understanding" and to fit your agenda. And continually move the goalposts when caught on the back foot or have painted yourself into a tight biblical corner. The scriptures themselves disagree on many issues causing ambiguity.
It is clear. Crystal clear in fact.
In your opinion and your own understanding and of course, your own "interpretation"..
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@BrotherDThomas
which therefore shakes my faith to the core. :(
That is sad Brother. And I feel genuinely sorry for you.
I sometimes envy those with faith, especially at times of sorrow and mourning, when the lord has decided it is time to take an only child from its mother and they can simply think and believe that their innocent child didn't suffer for months on end for nothing and will be rewarded in a much better place that the mother could ever hope offer her only child.
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@Tradesecret
Notwithstanding the fact that scripture is notoriously ambiguous anyway.Says who?
I do. And this is why we have the many different Christian denominations; because they interpret the scriptures differently. They cannot all be right. Or are you going to offer your own hermetical definition as to what the word "ambiguous" means to god and Christians.?
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@CaptainSceptic
A "believer" can move the goalposts and justify whatever is said based on either side.
"Can " and does so often. In fact they do this every time they are posed a prickly awkward question. I could offer many examples from this forum alone.
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@Tradesecret
For Christian apologists to explain something hermetically , means - to make it up as you go when caught on the back foot in an awkward embarrassing biblical dilemma. It also mean to redirect ones attention away with biblical verses that go actually nowhere in explaining away said awkward embarrassing biblical dilemma. But I have found the most favored tactic of apologetic Christians is to simply present one's own theories or even opinions as fact without supporting evidence. When all the above fails to convince then its down to the age old veiled insults of one "not being able to read" and "understand".Just make up stuff as you go along.
Got it in one. That's exactly what I have said. See bold underlined in the above quote.
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Is it possible that the gospels writer lifted this story from the historian Josephus?
"And when I was sent by Titus Caesar with Cerealins, and a thousand horsemen, to a certain village called Thecoa, in order to know whether it were a place fit for a camp, as I came back, I saw many captives crucified, and remembered three of them as my former acquaintance. I was very sorry at this in my mind, and went with tears in my eyes to Titus, and told him of them; so he immediately commanded them to be taken down, and to have the greatest care taken of them, in order to their recovery; yet two of them died under the physician’s hands, while the third recovered".
Two died and one survived!
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@Barney
Gnostic Gospel of Thomas, Peter says to Jesus: "Tell Mary to leave us, "for women are not worthy of life." 114.1
This from the man of whom it is said that Jesus' church will be built on. This is the Catholic church is it not?
Then Jesus says something strange in the extreme:
I myself shall lead her in order to make her male so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you men.114.2
Jesus then follows this up with :
For every woman that will make herself male, will enter the kingdom of heaven. 114.3
All a bit esoteric, for "those who have ears", just like the Sermon on the Mount.
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@zedvictor4
Malcharaz is intolerant of alternative opinion, seemingly misogynistic and has a propensity to block rather than to discuss rationally and in an adult fashion.
Indeed and all rather cowardly to leave a response without leaving the recipient an opportunity to respond himself.
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The New Testament version of the Christs death by crucifixion has always been a prickly subject for the theist. Was it him/Jesus on the cross? Did he really die did? Was it all staged and faked?
Islam has it that while they believe Jesus existed, that he was only a prophet and not gods son, and that his believed death on the cross was all faked:
ﭰ ﭱ ﭲ ﭳ ﭴ ﭵ ﭶ ﭷ ﭸ ﭹ ﭺ ﭻ ﭼ ﭽ ﭾ ﭿ ﮀﮁ ﮂ ﮃ ﮄ ﮅ ﮆ ﮇ ﮈﮉ ﮊ ﮋ ﮌ ﮍ ﮎ ﮏ ﮐ ﮑﮒ ﮓ ﮔ ﮕ
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And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. 4:157
https://quran.com/4/157-158Who was this other?
The Christian take on this subject is well known and believed by millions : Jesus was sentenced to death, another carried his cross, he was nailed up, didn't have his legs broken as did the two hanging with him and to the surprise of Pilate, he died unusually quickly. Then he came back from the dead three days later. As can be read here>> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+27%3A32-56&version=NIV
Interesting that Islam has it that "another" took the place of the Christ while the bible has it that "another" carried the cross of Jesus, Simon of Cyrene. Matthew 27:32
It is also interesting that the Nag Hammadi library also known as the "Gnostic Gospels" a collection of early Christian and Gnostic texts discovered near the Upper Egyptian town after which these scrolls are named in 1945, also appear to agree with the Islamic account of the Christ's supposed crucifixion. 56.6 - 19 NHL 332. It has the Christ himself saying "it was not I".
And then there was the late 2nd-century Christian writer Irenaeus who wrote about the teachings of a Gnostic leader named Basilides, who claimed:
"He did not himself suffer death, but Simon, a certain man of Cyrene, being compelled, bore the cross in his stead; so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, was crucified, through ignorance and error, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, standing by, laughed at them. For since he was an incorporeal power, and the Nous (mind) of the unborn father, he transfigured himself as he pleased, and thus ascended to him who had sent him, deriding them, inasmuch as he could not be laid hold of, and was invisible to all," (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book I, Chapter 24, Section 4).
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@ , MELCHARAZ
ALL RATHER COWARDLY TO RESPOND TO A POST IN A THREAD AND THEN BLOCK THE RECIPIENT FROM RESPONDING.
ALL THE SAME>>>
Alrighty, now lets look at Gods mercy logically. Using the definition you posted.
Ok.
Its irrefutable that God shows mercy, as he could destroy all of creation and sends everyone to hell.......
Indeed he destroyed the whole earth and everything on it once and showed not one iota of mercy for the innocent. This is not no mention the populations of towns and cities he destroyed once the earth was re- populated.
........So thats not the problem.
It is if he , like he has done so in the past, shown absolutely no mercy for the innocent.
[A] The problem im seeing is the "freedom" of mercy being contested.
No. It is lack of mercy, period, that is being contested. Particularly in the light that Christian apologists will have us believe that "the father " is merciful. And gods "freedom" to slaughter the innocent at the drop of an hat cannot be contested. he does kill on a whim and for absolutely no or trivial reasons.
Thank you for reading, im not intrested in arguements, semantics or strawmen
Nor am I, yet here you are creating a strawman argument. I mentioned nothing of "the fathers" freedom. See [A] above.
So why don't we stick to the topic of the thread and not what you claim the topic to be about. You could start for instance by explaining the lack of gods mercy in the examples I provided in the OP and at post #4.
Thank you for reading too.
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"I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments." (Ex. 20:5-6)
Where is "the fathers mercy" shown towards these innocent children?
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@Tradesecret
Most Christians use a hermeneutic to understand how to interpret the bible.
For Christian apologists to explain something hermetically , means - to make it up as you go when caught on the back foot in an awkward embarrassing biblical dilemma. It also mean to redirect ones attention away with biblical verses that go actually nowhere in explaining away said awkward embarrassing biblical dilemma. But I have found the most favored tactic of apologetic Christians is to simply present one's own theories or even opinions as fact without supporting evidence. When all the above fails to convince then its down to the age old veiled insults of one "not being able to read" and "understand".
hermeneutic
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- concerning interpretation, especially of the Bible or literary texts.
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@RoderickSpode
And god killed her for her simple human curiosity. Again your trying to explain away this unnecessary and pointless murder that deprived two children of their mother and a man of his wife. There is absolutely nothing written before or after her death concerning Lot's wife lingering and rubbernecking at the utter disaster behind her. And certainly not a single mention of her"staying behind" to watch the fire works. Look!>>.
Genesis 19:20-30 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt. 27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the Lord. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+19%3A20-30&version=NIV
So stop lying and making things up. Why are you attempting to add to and rewrite the scriptures AGAIN!!!? And where is the mercy shown here from "the father"?
Children mauled to death for name calling!2 Kings 2:23-24 "And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them".And " baldy" aka Elisha, didn't bat an eyelid, he simply went on his way. Not a single bit of mercy was shown towards these children by "the father".These were not little children. The Hebrew word used in this text includes young men. It was typical at that time in the Northern Kingdom for men to harass prophets. This was a mob. Not a group of little children. They probably meant physical harm to Elisha (common with mobs).
Again, you are contradicting what the scripture actually says. There was no mention of harm and no mention of "baldy" being harmed by these CHILDREN. there is ONLY name calling as CHILDREN DO!. And young men, or children, it is all besides the point , where was the mercy shown by "the father"..
No mercy was shown to Job's children when "the father " sanctioned the murder of all of them for no reason at all. Job 1:13-22There are many of these verses where god, "the Father" who loves us shows that he has not a single merciful bone in his body.One can only suppose that to god, "the father who is full of mercy"..... and to Christian apologists, mercy must mean something different to what any level - headed human being understands mercy to mean.We all die.
We do, but we don't all get murdered for nothing or on a whim by a supernatural being that is supposed to be a "merciful father" . Where is the mercy?
The question is what happens afterwards.
No, the question - that you have totally avoided on all three occasions above - IS, where is the mercy of "the father".
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@RoderickSpode
You tend to come across in your posts like someone mumbling because they don't really want you to hear what they're saying. So I usually don't try to understand what you're saying.
One cannot "mumble" the written word. Jesus!! , you really say some of the dumbest things.
You seem to have this idea that if something appears contradictory there's no further examination needed.
Another ignorant and stupid statement. I highlight these ambiguous biblical contradictory anomalies in the hope that YOU & other apologist will examine them and offer an explanation. But YOU never can> Not without rewriting the scriptures and putting words into the mouths of bible authors. You are, for some reason , of the belief that presetting your own thoughts and beliefs as fact should somehow suffice. It doesn't. And neither does YOU trying to explain these biblical contradictory anomalies away by talking about things that don't even appear in the scripture to explain them away either.
There's no need to look at original language and translation, historical back ground,cultural context, etc.
But that is exactly what YOU and your fellow apologist often do. You say words such as"kill" does not mean kill when it is spoken by god and you introduce ancient translations into the argument when it suites you to do so, as some kind of evidence to support your ridiculous claims.. You did this also with the words "all" and " everything". You have denied that in the case of god creating"everything", or "all" things it doesn't actually mean everything or all things.
The Pharaoh's hardened heart would be a great example.
Don't cross thread an old argument. It is strictly against forum rules to do so. You lost that argument once, so save it for that particular thread or start a thread of your own on the matter.
I gave you verses that at first glance appear contradictory to the one's you provided.
Because they ARE!
FOR THOSE INTERESTED. THESE PARTICULAR BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS AND DENIED BY RoderickSpode CAN BE READ HERE>>https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4120-more-biblical-nonsense-out-of-egypt.
Why would they mess up so badly by adding in their story line the fear of one of the 2 of being killed by non-existent humans?
I asked who was going to kill Cain when according to the bible at that time-"this day" -, there were only three people on the planet? If there were others tell us who they were, where did they come from? And supply the evidence that supports your claim.
Speaking of rewriting, I'll post that verse you wanted us to slowly read, but adding the first part.3But Cain said to the LORD, “My punishment is greater than I can bear. 14 Behold, this day You have driven me from the face of the earth, and from Your face I will be hidden; I will be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”…Your response is actually quite funny."The very same. the worlds first murderer. I would hardly call giving someone the whole of the earth to roam about and build a new life on with a wife and living to well over 700 years an "unbearable punishment".It is not hanging, or life in a 6 x 8 cell is it"?
It is funny . Given that on one hand your op bangs on about life in imprisonment and death for murderers in the 21st century and the we have first murderer on the planet get the rest of the planet to roam around on, raise a family and live to over 700 years. It is ridiculously "funny".
We have, when reading it very carefully, a text that clearly exhibits the anguish of a man who just had his punishment explained to him, stating that it's greater than he can bear.
Deary me, there there , poor sole and never mind. He had just murdered his brother out of what appears to be jealousy - a trait inherited from god himself when he created us in his image - no doubt. But was granted his life to roam the world, settle down, build a family and live to over 700 year sold. Yes, far "too much to bare" for anyone I should imagine.
Sentenced to 700 years on planet death row! WOW! It must have all been pure torture for the lad. Certainly no mercy shown there was there. Yes it is hilariously funny when read slowly,isn't it.
“The LordGod, merciful and gracious, long suffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin …” Exodus 34:6-7.
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mercy
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- compassion or forgiveness shown towards someone whom it is within one's power to punish or harm."the boy was screaming and begging for mercy"Similar:leniency, lenience, clemency, compassion, grace, pityThere are many verses in the bible that just cannot be misinterpreted , misread or misunderstood, as much as the apologist will have us believe that they can.
For instance Luke 6:36 "Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful". So here "the father" - I am going to assume means god, -is merciful.
And there can be no mistaking what is meant by this verse either:
Ephesians 2:4 "But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy".
So what happened to for example, Lot's wife?
"But Lot's wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt". Genesis 19:26 Murdered just for looking in the wrong direction at the wrong time. Fair enough, they were all given a warning but to be sentenced to death for simple human curiosity is not showing mercy is it? she wasn't even given a chance to "repent" either! Where was god's mercy?
Children mauled to death for name calling!
2 Kings 2:23-24 "And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them".
And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them".
And " baldy" aka Elisha, didn't bat an eyelid, he simply went on his way. Not a single bit of mercy was shown towards these children by "the father".
No mercy was shown to Job's children when "the father " sanctioned the murder of all of them for no reason at all. Job 1:13-22
There are many of these verses where god, "the Father" who loves us shows that he has not a single merciful bone in his body.
One can only suppose that to god, "the father who is full of mercy"..... and to Christian apologists, mercy must mean something different to what any level - headed human being understands mercy to mean.
Lets have another look at the meaning of mercy.
mercy
/ˈməːsi/
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noun
- compassion or forgiveness shown towards someone whom it is within one's power to punish or harm."the boy was screaming and begging for mercy"Similar:leniency, lenience, clemency, compassion, grace, pity
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@Singularity
The bad thing us that the ridiculously low number of deaths will be touted as a success by them, and they will never admit the projections were just wrong .
Exactly. They will come up smelling of roses and they will see to it that they do. Once these figures look like the justify their ridiculous action then maybe we will all be set free to pick up the pieces of our lives,incomes and jobs.
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@RoderickSpode
The accounts in Genesis were not written by people trying to cover all bases because someone in the 21st Century named Stephen.
That's correct. In fact they didn't reckon on anyone at all in the future, having the mind to actaully be able sit down and read, study, scrutinize and question these ambiguous biblical half stories in the scriptures for themselves, did they?
What they did do was arrange it so that these scriptures would be interpreted and read out by a Priest or Elder who had the mind to steer the likes of the Roderick Spode's of the future away from the problematic verses that are rife throughout these scriptures.
14Behold, this day You have driven me from the face of the earth, and from Your face I will be hidden; I will be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”…Now slowly take in what is being said and when it is being said. Let me know when the penny drops..... if it ever does.There's no reason to read anything here slowly. We know what you're getting at.
Good, then you'll have realised that there were only three people on the planet - "this day" - according to the scripture and at the time of Cain's exile, yet our first murderer Cain seemed to be afraid of someone killing him, why? There was no one else on the planet "this day".
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@Tyron_Orrex
What you believe about me is irrelevant.
I have also consistently exposed those who push an agenda of bigotry and incitement of hatred towards others and your case is no exception.
Well if your looking for agendas that promote and incite "bigotry" and "hatred" not to mention intolerance then you need look no further than these verse from the Koran and start there. I have many more threads scrutinising and questioning the bible and Christianity than I have Islam. by about 9 to I.
Anyway, here ya go. I won't be responding to your clap trap any longer.
PEACEFUL MY ARSE!
APOSTASY: Bukhari : 9.84.57. - ISLAMAND APOSTASY" Prophet Muhammad said: Whoever changed his Islamic religion,then kill him."
Quran 3:56 - "As to those who reject faith,I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran 3:151 - We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire,and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.
Quran 4:89 - They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike.So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause ofAllah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
Quran 5:33 – unless, those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption/mischief is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.
Quran 51 - You, who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – thenindeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.
Quran 8:12 - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them".
Quran8:39
And fight them until there is no fitnah and[until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed,Allah is Seeing of what they do.
Quran 8:60 - And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds ofwar by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.
Quran 8:67 - It is not for a prophet to have captives [of war] until he inflicts a massacre [upon Allah 's enemies] in the land.
Surah 9:5 - "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush".
Quran 9:29 - Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah (jizyah = tax levied by Muslim on non- - believers or be killed on refusal to pay) willingly while they are humbled.
Quran 9:30 - The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths;they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?
Quran 9:123 - You who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.
Now, 🎼 🎵 🎶 ♯ go tell it on the mountain,♫ ♬ over the hills and far away .♩ ♪ ♭ ♮ Off you go.
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@Greyparrot
Social media still has yet to ban the tweets from CNN and the WHO claiming Covid was not transmissible person to person, so the argument that social media gives a fuck about saving lives instead of blindly being invested in an agenda is pure bullshit.
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@oromagi
Why were they banned?They weren't. No actions have been taken by YouTube vs either doctor.
Wasn't it google who took down the video?
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@BrotherDThomas
What he doesn't seem to realise Brother is that blocking someone doesn't stop them posting their opinions on these scriptures.
It only gives them an faux excuse not to respond to you or answer your questions. Its like they can pretend they never seen the question, because it wasn't addressed to them personally.
Let us wait and see how long it is before he responds to a new topic of mine while still having me on block. This is a cowardly tactic many apologist use. They believe that you have no right to reply, even on one's own thread. It is deceitful and cowardly and it should be against the rules.
That said, I take it all in my stride and take it as having silenced someone who believes they have all the answers but simply doesn't have the answers.... Non.
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@Vader
I was simply making a point of once an inch is given a whole mile is taken.
I don't care what two homosexuals wish to do behind closed curtains in the privacy of their own homes.
A gay person is not doomed to hell once they are gay. [ .................................] and they can repent [.......................................]
" not doomed" ! I should think not. Homosexuals where created by god too just like anyone else who isn't homosexual. So I am not sure why they should "repent" either.
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@Vader
The women are in charge of managing the church programs and activities outside the church. They are a guide for the priest. They do not need to become clergy in order to be divine. They can still be saints.
Give a woman and inch , eh.
We have the same problem when we cave in to minority groups. Legalise homosexuality , the next thing they want is lawful same sex marriage and allowed to legally adopt little baby boys.
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@Athias
I do. I wouldn't have asked other wise. Any way. I googled this . just tell me if this is what you believe Luciferianism to be. Just a yes or no will do.No, you don't. If you attempt to put a word restriction on someone's response, then you can cite your requests as frequent as you deem necessary--you're not seeking discussion; you're seeking lexical semantic gerrymandering.And I don't "believe" Luciferianism to be anything. Luciferianism is what it is.
Jesus!!!!. You really are a little cry baby tit, aren't you.
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@BrotherDThomas
Blocking others is just another form of RUNNING AWAY from the true words of Jesus,
And mine.
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Elon Musk blasts YouTube for banning Californian doctors' video that claimed physicians are being pressurized into putting Coronavirus on death certificates and urged an end to shutdowns
- Critics have slammed YouTube for saying clip 'violated community guidelines'
- In it, Drs. Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi criticized California's shutdown
- They also claimed that doctors are being pressured into boosting death tolls
- They presented statistics which many claimed were skewed and inaccurate
- But Elon Musk shared their video and said they made 'good points'
- YouTube said their viewpoint disputed 'local health authority' guidance
- But critics blast YouTube for 'censoring' the video after it got 5 million views
- They also claimed it was a sign Big Tech is trying to control information
- YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki said videos against WHO policy will be taken down
- Facebook and Twitter have also been criticized over 'misinformation' policies
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Elon Musk and a host of critics have slammed YouTube for removing a video of two doctors suggesting COVID-19 death tolls are being boosted and urging an end to lockdowns because they do more harm than good.
The site took down the video of news conference featuring Drs. Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi, who run a private urgent-care clinic in Bakersfield, California, on Monday because they claim it violated their user policy by disputing health officials.
But the move has been blasted as censorship and a worrying sign of big tech companies trying to control information during the pandemic and quashing free speech.
Social media giants Facebook and Twitter are also coming under increasing scrutiny for removing posts that they say contain health misinformation or calls to break stay-at-home orders.
The hour-long video with Drs Erickson and Massihi suggesting stay-at-home orders are damaging drew a massive audience, garnering more than five million views before it was removed.
Using testing stats from their urgent care centers, they argue that the mortality rate for coronavirus is minuscule and that lockdowns are disruptive to normal healthcare provision, the functioning of healthy immune systems and are devastating to the economy.
The doctors also share anecdotes, which they say come from colleagues in hospitals, claiming that there is pressure to add COVID-19 as a cause of death to unrelated fatalities to artificially boost the death toll.
'It's time to open back up. The science says it is. The models we've been using from predictions, to predict the amount of disease, are not accurate,' Erikson said in the press conference.
Tesla CEO Musk, an increasingly outspoken critic of lockdowns, shared the video on Twitter before it was taken down, adding the comment, 'Docs make good points.'
California doctors call COVID-19 shutdowns 'disruptive' to healthcare
'This. Is. Censorship. On what is arguably the most important media platform in the United States,' tweeted Alex Berenson, a former New York Times reporter who has emerged as one of the strongest skeptics of the lockdowns.
In a blistering opening monologue on Tuesday night, Fox News host Tucker Carlson also railed against the 'ludicrous' measures by big tech companies to control what they call misinformation during the pandemic.
'When this is all over, it's likely we'll look back on this moment, what YouTube just did, as a turning point in the way we live in this country, a sharp break with 250 years of law and custom,' Carlson said.
'The doctors' video was produced by a local television channel. It was, in fact a mainstream news story,' Carlson continued. 'The only justification for taking it down was that the physicians on-screen had reached different conclusions than the people currently in charge.'
Last week, YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki told CNN that 'anything that would go against World Health Organization recommendations would be a violation of our policy.'
'Consider that for a moment,' Carlson responded. 'As a matter of science, it's ludicrous. Like everyone else involved in global pandemic policy, the WHO has been wrong in its recommendations. In January, WHO told us that coronavirus could not spread from person-to-person. In March, they told us that face masks didn't work. Those are lies and they were welcome on Google's platforms.'
Former CNN producer Steve Krakauer said in his Fourth Watch media newsletter that this was an 'egregious censorship effort on the part of YouTube' that should make all journalists concerned.
He added: 'YouTube can take down this video, of course. But should they? Absolutely not.
'These doctors weren't calling for people to cough on other citizens. They weren't even questioning whether injecting disinfectant might be a good idea.
'They were using data to suggest a Sweden model of eased lockdown may be effective. That's not damaging to the public to watch.'
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@FAUXLAW
What is a Testament, or Covenant?
Don't you know?
here you are.
covenant
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- an agreement."there was a covenant between them that her name was never to be mentioned".
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- 1.a person's will, especially the part relating to personal property."father's will and testament"
- 2.something that serves as a sign or evidence of a specified fact, event, or quality."growing attendance figures are a testament to the event's popularity"
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@Singularity
My wife is part of a facebook group of nurses and they are all reporting less work than normal and being bored.
Same here in the UK. My sons wife has been sent home a few times now. Yet we have Nightingale hospitals sprouting up all over England and Wales where only 46 were admitted to one of these hospitals with half that number being discharged within a week. It is not recorded a single patient (as of yet) being admitted to any other of these throw-up hospitals.
All this of course was caused by the hysterical fear monger in chief Professor Neil Ferguson of Imperial Collage. He advises the government at the moment. Heruns model prediction data that supposedly predict how many deaths there will be caused by Covid 19 & other crisis.
Ferguson has predicted the cost of lifting the lockdown now could "without doubt" cost the lives of 100,000 lives in the UK. A quick search of Fergusons’ accuracy in predictions using his sophisticated model is FKN dismal. Bird flu he predicted 200 million deaths globally, there were just 282. Swine flu he predicted 65,000 death in the UK, there were only 457. And there was Mad Cow disease where Ferguson said - using his so ,so sophisticated model, that there would be over 50,000, the result was just 177. He predicted 500,000 deaths total for Covid. This is the complete buffoon that the UK government are listening to and taking advice from.
They will keep grasping for more deaths now to be added to the death list to justify this house arrest that they have the worlds population under. We have been told today the the UK "may have hit is peak". If this is the case then the figures of around 26,000 deaths - put down to covid 19 are not higher than the deaths from influenza for the 2018-2019 period, and not a single word was ever said about that .
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@RoderickSpode
@ FAUXLAW
There were only Cain, Adam and Eve on the planet. And where did he get his wife? And who was going to kill him?Where do you think. God does not tell us everything God does not tell us everything when the consequences tell us well enough where a wife for Cain came from; like an unmentioned sister, cousin, etc. How many generations of children can be born in 700 years? Two or three that are not mentioned.
So you want to throw into the mix what god or the bible doesn't say.
And you really should read what is actually being said in that verse. TRY AGAIN!
14Behold, this day You have driven me from the face of the earth, and from Your face I will be hidden; I will be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”…
Now slowly take in what is being said and when it is being said. Let me know when the penny drops..... if it ever does.
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@Athias
Explain in as few words as possible what " Luciferianism " is?Then you don't seek my explanation. [................................] then a simple search should suffice.
I do. I wouldn't have asked other wise. Any way. I googled this . just tell me if this is what you believe Luciferianism to be. Just a yes or no will do.
"Luciferianism is a belief system that venerates the essential characteristics that are affixed to Lucifer. The tradition, influenced by Gnosticism, usually reveres Lucifer not as the devil, but as a destroyer, a guardian, light bringer or guiding spirit to darkness, or even the true god as opposed to Jehovah"
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@Barney
1 Timothy 2:12 New International Version (NIV)12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man, she must be quiet.IMO 1 Timothy is a garbage book. About the only good defense of it I've heard, came from a nun teaching at my school. It being a letter responding to questions, to which we don't have the other half of the conversation, and thus are forced to assume context to apologize for it.I firmly believe it is not an inspired book, as chiefly evidenced by the direct harm it causes. Further had Mary Magdalene (a woman) not taught about Jesus' resurrection, we wouldn't even be having this conversation about some upstart the Romans killed.1 Corinthians 14:34 New International Version (NIV)34 Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says.This is again a letter to which we have missing context. This one isn't as bad, because we have other context from the same one, in which the author is fine with women prophesying and praying aloud in church, without any censorship. Which goes hand in hand with what you mentioned from Acts.
One of the best post I have ever read on the whole of the religion forum. Thank you!
I wonder will you be challenged on your opinions such as 1 Timothy being " a garbage book " . or Jesus being simply being yet another pain in the arse "an upstart" agitator and one of many so called Messiahs who failed miserably to deliver "his people" from the Roman yoke.
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@Athias
(Roman) Catholicism is paganism, i.e. Luciferianism.
Explain in as few words as possible what " Luciferianism " is?
Maybe she is a pagan, Ragnar, was a viking who worshiped Thor and Odin. One god is as good as another.
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@RoderickSpode
Jesus actually died that horrible death you referred to for sinners.
yes and sent by his own Father too. And this is why your post makes no sense. You see we are all sinners are we not? We inherited sin, did we not? Or are you also going to deny now millennia of the church doctrine AND the bible:
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—Romans 5:12
Are you referring to this person?3But Cain said to the LORD, “My punishment is greater than I can bear. 14Behold, this day You have driven me from the face of the earth, and from Your face I will be hidden; I will be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”…
The very same. the worlds first murderer. I would hardly call giving someone the whole of the earth to roam about and build a new life on with a wife and living to well over 700 years an "unbearable punishment". It is not hanging, or life in a 6 x 8 cell is it?
And who was going to kill him? There were only Cain, Adam and Eve on the planet. And where did he get his wife?
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@Tyronnne_Rex
I am not an Islam apologist and in fact,
You are.
I have shown consistently that I have no bias whatsoever towards any particular religion as you have done in a veiled way.
There is nothing "veiled " about my opinions. Islam is barbaric teaches intolerance and hatred of other religions and anyone not Muslim and does not disguise any of these facts. I then don't like any religion because I believe it is the scourge of mankind. But that is my opinion. I don't care about your opinion.
The Old Testament is barbaric and Christians will make excuses for its barbarity at every given chance.
The New Testament is neither of the above, there are no instructions to Christians from its Christ for anyone to kill for any reason at all, in fact quite the opposite, it preaches peace & love and giving your clothes and other worldly possessions away, to the so called "poor"
I am sick of repeating myself to you while you offer not a single thing to support your own claims.
You should know very well that by stating "Jesus did not directly...." is a blatantly railroading a biased view.
No it isn't. Is it a fact. And I have shown that Jesus preaches COMPLETELY the opposite to the Koran. UNLIKE the Koran where clear instructions to kill for all sorts of reasons come directly from Allah. You can deny this as much as you like. but I have shown you the evidence that Islam is not a religion of peace.
I have also consistently exposed those who push an agenda of bigotry and incitement of hatred towards others and your case is no exception.
Well if your looking for agendas that promote and incite "bigotry" and "hatred" not to mention intolerance then you need look no further than these verse from the Koran and start there. I have many more threads scrutinising and questioning the bible and Christianity than I have Islam. by about 9 to I.
Anyway, here ya go. I won't be responding to your clap trap any longer.
PEACEFUL MY ARSE!
APOSTASY: Bukhari : 9.84.57. - ISLAMAND APOSTASY" Prophet Muhammad said: Whoever changed his Islamic religion,then kill him."
Quran 3:56 - "As to those who reject faith,I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, norwill they have anyone to help."
Quran 3:151 - We will cast terror intothe hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah ofwhich He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire,and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.
Quran 4:89 - They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike.So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause ofAllah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you findthem and take not from among them any ally or helper.
Quran 5:33 – unless, those who wage war against Allahand His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption/mischief is nonebut that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut offfrom opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them adisgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment.
Quran 51 - You, whohave believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [infact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – thenindeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.
Quran 8:12 - "Iwill cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike offtheir heads and strike off every fingertip of them".
Quran8:39
And fight them until there is no fitnah and[until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed,Allah is Seeing of what they do.
Quran 8:60 - And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds ofwar by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and othersbesides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever youspend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not bewronged.
Quran 8:67 - It isnot for a prophet to have captives [of war] until he inflicts a massacre [uponAllah 's enemies] in the land.
Surah 9:5 - "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush".
Quran 9:29 - Fight those who donot believe in Allah or in the Last Day andwho do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawfuland who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given theScripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah (jizyah = tax levied by Muslim on non- - believers or be killed onrefusal to pay) willingly while they are humbled.
Quran 9:30 - The Jewssay, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "TheMessiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths;they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allahdestroy them; how are they deluded?
Quran 9:123 - You who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of thedisbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is withthe righteous.
Now, 🎼 🎵 🎶 ♯ go tell it on the mountain,♫ ♬ over the hills and far away .♩ ♪ ♭ ♮ Off you go.
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@fauxlaw
Tell me; is the bible wrong when it states that the lord god himself had said something?Which one of these statements FROM THE LORD are not true and why?: keeping in mind that : "Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.Proverbs 30:5“And I will harden Pharaoh's heart,.” Exodus 14:4And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; Genesis 6:7And the Lord said, "Do not parse my words from one verse."So, you have absolutely no comeback to my simple question - in any language. Just a little too inconvenient for you was it?inconvenient? No, just bored by your tone. You hate the Bible. You hate God. That's your schtick. I get it. You're beating a dead horse. Do something else, yeah?
Then simply leave the thread. you have no interest in answering questions created by your own statements, so why do you even bother. simply leave the thread. and it is you who sets the abrupt and rude tone. something all haughty Christians do when confronted with awkward and prickly questions
Do something else, yeah?
No. I like what I do. I like questioning and scrutinising the scriptures. And I like watching people like you trying to defend the indefensible every time I highlight these problematic verses. So YOU go and do something else. I am happy doing what I do, in the knowledge that you are not happy with me doing what I do.
And you must have missed this little prickly puzzle>>>
Tell me; is the bible wrong when it states that the lord god himself had said something?
Which one of these statements FROM THE LORD are not true and why?
“And I will harden Pharaoh's heart,.” Exodus 14:4
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; Genesis 6:7
"Every word of God is flawless" .Proverbs 30:5
Take your time princess.
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@RoderickSpode
Stephen, it's unclear as to your interpretation of the scriptures I gave you in light of the one's you continually post.
And I have already responded to these verses and have said, that they simply confirm what the lord god said he would do and did do. Do I have to repeatedly post what the Lord god has promised he said he would do and did do?
If you do not agree they simply take up the challenge I posed you at post #15 >>> If you can find a extra biblical scripture that contradicts the bible, any bible, then I will gladly take it into consideration. But this will leave you with a MASSIVE problem if you were to discover such a scripture.
At least I know where BDT is coming from. He interprets the combined texts as revelatory evidence that the Bible consists of lies.
If that be the case then YOU agree with him. You have posted the evidence that GOD and the bible tells lies and contradicts himself and itself. You have posted verses definitely proving that the bible seriously contradicts itself and denies your GODS very own words. It is as the Brother states , you, have posted verses that have called the lord your god a liar and I don't think the Brother was over was over exaggerating when he called it "blasphemy", for which I don't doubt there is some kind of punishment for concerning fire and hell torture among demons.
You haven't given your explanation.
For what? I have simply highlighted yet another problematic verse where I wanted to watch you and others just like you defend the indefensible. And predictably, you immediately set about re-writing the scriptures and accusing me of having " a bent to constantly misinterpret scripture".
There is nothing here to misinterpret, these are the words of YOUR GOD and YOUR BIBLE:
“But the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the people of Israel go.” (Exodus 10:20)
“But the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let them go.” (Exodus 10:27)
“And the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued the people of Israel while the people of Israel were going out defiantly.” (Exodus 14:8)
“And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and he will pursue them, and I will get glory over Pharaoh and all his host, and the Egyptians shall know that I am the Lord.” And they did so.” (Exodus 14:4)
“But the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he did not listen to them, as the Lord had spoken to Moses. (Exodus 9:12)
“But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in the land of Egypt,” (Exodus 7:3)
“And the Lord said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt, see that you do before Pharaoh all the miracles that I have put in your power. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go.” (Exodus 4:21)
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@fauxlaw
Tell me; is the bible wrong when it states that the lord god himself had said something?Which one of these statements FROM THE LORD are not true and why?: keeping in mind that : "Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.Proverbs 30:5“And I will harden Pharaoh's heart,.” Exodus 14:4And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; Genesis 6:7And the Lord said, "Do not parse my words from one verse."
So, you have absolutely no comeback to my simple question - in any language. Just a little too inconvenient for you was it?
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@fauxlaw
exactly what the lord god himself predicted and said he would do.Sure. After 3,500 years of transcription, and translation errors, innocent or corrupt, what we have today is "exactly what the lord god himself predicted and said he would do."
We are talking one incidence where ALL the verse relating to it states the same thing and confirm repeatedly what the lord god himself says he "will do" and what he did do. You Christians just hate these verses and stories being highlighted are forever attempting to polish these biblical turds that show your god in his true colours. . Millions of innocent 1st born died, because your god caused it to happen.
Tell me; is the bible wrong when it states that the lord god himself had said something?
Which one of these statements FROM THE LORD are not true and why?: keeping in mind that : "Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.Proverbs 30:5
“And I will harden Pharaoh's heart,.” Exodus 14:4
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; Genesis 6:7
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She is already endowed with the power of God.No she isn't and you cannot prove otherwise.Your mother is sufficient proof. Dolt.
And that is your proof that Ragnar "is already endowed with the power of god", is it. and you call me "stupid" = "dolt"
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- a stupid person.
And stop with the personal insults, they are unprovoked and uncalled for and I'm getting sick of them now. If that is all you have simply do not reply to my posts
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@fauxlaw
Points you continue to make, ad nauseam. Something new?
And points that you continue to avoid. But I don't expect that you would want to tie your fluffy god Jesus to that old ancient god of the Hebrews if it can be avoided.
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@Dr.Franklin
Should we allow men to be nuns.
How would you know these days?
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@fauxlaw
Woman holds that high distinction.
Not according to the few misogynistic verses I have shown above.
A woman does not need the tool of the priesthood.
Is that your opinion presented as fact? It appears that the Catholic Church, don't need women priests , period!
She is already endowed with the power of God.
No she isn't and you cannot prove otherwise.
The best advice you should be offering Ragnar is something positive such as go C of E / Anglican. The church was crying out for them a few years ago. Yes here we are:
Wanted: young women priests
14 OCTOBER 2016
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@fauxlaw
You pick a verse out of context
Please!!!!! not that old chestnut!!! that is simply your opinion. I have simply quoted exactly what the lord god himself predicted and said he would do. There is no confusion as much as you would like thee to be. the lord god and the bible repeatedly states what the lord god will do and did do.
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