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@FishChaser
No he's[RationalMadman]not, he's just a pussy when it comes to disrespecting Islam because he's afraid of how extreme and violent Muslims can be.
Who can blame him?
"Can be"!? Followers of Islam have proven themselves to be violent defenders of their violent and vile ideology over and over again.
Write a simple novel and a fatwa is put on your head- Salman Rushdie... Draw a picture of Muhammad and you get riddled with bullets - Charlie Hebdo. Just not believing can get you your throat cut or head totally removed from your neck - Anyone not Muslim.<<< These are facts! So it is very rational to fear Islam.
What I find more "pussyfide" is our own Western Governments caving in to this intolerant vile ideology.
As the late great Christopher Hitchens warned a few decades ago- "resist it while you can before they take away your right to complain about it".
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@WyIted
WyIted wrote: Also why are you doing (PBUH) are you randomly Muslim now?RationalMadman wrote: Because it's what you do.
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So are you a Muslim now? was the question?
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@rosends
The two references you are looking for are not to be found in the written text -- they come from the mind of someone who hasn't heard a new joke in 50 or so years so he is injecting old jokes into his posts.
Yep. I got that, Rosie. Like the Jew that found £500 wage packet full of cash and complained about the tax deductions.< That is as ancient as Noah's dog.
I was wondering how long it would take before he realised he was being led by the snout.
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@FLRW
Well when we look at Luke's comment Luke 1:32-33
" He [Jesus the Jew ] will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
The expectation fits the narrative of Jewish expectation - only the characterisation doesn't fit a "turn the other cheek/render unto Caesar "Jesus at all, but appears to fit the nature of the firebrand John the Baptist who had actually fought wars and battles.... according to historian Flavius Josephus. Who incidentally, dedicates more time & words to the Baptist than the few words he dedicates to a claimed "son of god" Jesus.
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@WyIted
Also explain the following story found I exodus. #14 And God said to Moses. Here is your commandment .Then Moses interrupts God and says"how much does it cost "? God says "it's free Moses, the commandment is free""[A]Could you put up for me the verse from Exodus where we read Moses asking god this question? I need the context.It's part of oral traditiion, similar to the story of how the copper wire was invented by 2 jews fighting over a penny
You have categorically stated that it is to be found I Exodus". HERE> #14
Ok. So what is your source of the "oral tradition" to your claim that Moses asked god "how much does it cost"?
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@Mall
Well when Jesus speaks on divorce, like a well seasoned politician he doesn't actually answer the question direct.
In fact, the Gospels on a few occasions show Jesus to be a master at the non answer.
But generally, it appears that both god and Jesus were against divorce.
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@Mall
@FLRW
What's the point of this in relation to the topic?
Just following on from something that you requoted HERE>#23 . Which explains yet another glaring contradiction in these unreliable, ambiguous and confusing half stories that go to make up the scriptures. Didn't you notice the contradiction in the story?
Here; see if you can spot it yourself, Mall.
"Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, "Greetings, Rabbi!" and kissed him. Jesus replied, "Friend, do what you came for.""#23
Jesus Arrested. Matthew 26: 47-50
47 While he was still speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, arrived. With him was a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the elders of the people. 48 Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: “The one I kiss is the man; arrest him.” 49 Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed him.
50 Jesus replied, “Do what you came for, friend.”
Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him.
BUT there again we see another gospel contradict this and has Jesus identifying himself!?
John 18: 3-8New International Version
3 So Judas came to the garden, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials from the chief priests and the Pharisees. They were carrying torches, lanterns and weapons.
4 Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, “Who is it you want?”
5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied.
“I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.) 6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
7 Again he asked them, “Who is it you want?”
“Jesus of Nazareth,” they said.
8 Jesus answered, “I told you that I am he.”
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@WyIted
If he isn't Jewish explain why he helped muhhamed jew God down to 5 prayers?
I think that was explained to you above by rosends Here> #9 " Moses wasn't "Jewish" because that label didn't exist then".
Also explain the following story found I exodus. And God said to Moses. Here is your commandment .Then Moses interrupts God and says"how much does it cost "? God says "it's free Moses, the commandment is free""
[A]
Could you put up for me the verse from Exodus where we read Moses asking god this question? I need the context.
And then Moses responds"I Will take 10 commandments"Why is a non JEW, jewing God into more commandments?
See [A] above. If you put up the verses you say are from Exodus I may be able to address that for you.
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@Mall
"Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, "Greetings, Rabbi!" and kissed him. Jesus replied, "Friend, do what you came for.""#23
Jesus Arrested. Matthew 26: 47-50
47 While he was still speaking, Judas, one of the Twelve, arrived. With him was a large crowd armed with swords and clubs, sent from the chief priests and the elders of the people. 48 Now the betrayer had arranged a signal with them: “The one I kiss is the man; arrest him.” 49 Going at once to Jesus, Judas said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” and kissed him.
50 Jesus replied, “Do what you came for, friend.”
Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him.
BUT there again we see another gospel contradict this and has Jesus identifying himself!?
John 18: 3-8New International Version
3 So Judas came to the garden, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials from the chief priests and the Pharisees. They were carrying torches, lanterns and weapons.
4 Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, “Who is it you want?”
5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied.
“I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.) 6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
7 Again he asked them, “Who is it you want?”
“Jesus of Nazareth,” they said.
8 Jesus answered, “I told you that I am he.”
4 Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, “Who is it you want?”
5 “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied.
“I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.) 6 When Jesus said, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.
7 Again he asked them, “Who is it you want?”
“Jesus of Nazareth,” they said.
8 Jesus answered, “I told you that I am he.”
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@WyIted
Moses was Jewish
If he actually existed its debateable if Moses was even Israelite.
IMO, Moses was either, (A) Hebrew, (B) half breed Egyptian/Hebrew or (C) Egyptian.
My guess is (B).
But no way was he a Muslim.
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......Something He Must Have Known Was A Failure?
It is Generally accepted that Luke's Gospel was written AD 80–110. But whichever date is acceptable it stands to reason that Luke wrote his account after the crucifixion of Jesus. So why did he leave out the parts where none of the predictions concerning Jesus' came to fruition?
Luke 1:32-33 New International Version
The angel Gabriel appears to Mary telling her:
" He [Jesus the Jew ] will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”
So with this in mind we have here a gospel writer, writing decades after the fact choosing to ignore the fact that non of the above ever came to fruition, why?
It all appears on the face of it that these predictions fit the expectations of a Messiah to the Jews of the time. i.e. A warrior that will reinstate the greatness of Israel. Rule over the "house of Jacob" referring to the 12 tribes that he come to reunite.
But as we see by the time Luke scrambled his gospel together two thing simply leap from it pages. 1st: he completely and utterly failed to fulfil the messianic role as per Gabriel's predictions. 2nd: early Christians such as Paul attempt to redefine the role of and expected messiah.
So it should be obvious to anyone that claims to have studied and had memorised the the gospel that Luke (writing decades after the fact) simply couldn't have invented the words spoken by the angel Gabriel. So why make up a prediction that had already failed!?
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@Mall
I bet you couldn't say anything to convince all bible believers to deconvert from said theism.
I agree.
But the Muslims are giving it a good try. They call it "re-verting". Because they are of the belief that we are all Muslims at birth and many over generations have "gone astray".. This is exactly what Jesus implied concerning the "lost sheep of Israel" that had been Hellenised over generations while under 400 years Greek rule.
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@Best.Korea
anyone who wishes to exterminate you is likely not your friend.
Yep. See #102 above.
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@IlDiavolo
You're [Tradesecret] practically flushing all what you said down the toilet.
As I said. He's far too stupid to remember his own bullshit or recognise contradictions... Even when he has written them in the same sentence.
Such as here>>
Tradesecret wrote; "Stephen is a A class bully but I am not the victim".#35
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@IlDiavolo
Tradsecret wrote @ IlDiavolo, Just like they deny that they have ever said anything unpleasant.
Nope. I can't very well hope to get away with what I have written myself simply by denying it.. But the Reverend Tradesecret is of the belief that he can . Hence his utter stupidity and backward thinking.
I quite liked the idea that the Reverend clown posted my "unpleasant" remarks to certain members along with the links. HERE>>>https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10645-why-did-god-create-homosexuality-and-pedophilia?page=4&post_number=95
Now members, if thy so wish, can go to them and read them in context and maybe learn something more accurate, factual and honest about scripture in the process.
I just started a new topic in response to something the Reverend clown wrote.
Here>>
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10687-jesus-heals-a-daughter-a-response-to-an-earlier-comment-made You may find it interesting, D.
It offers more depth and background to what the actual scripture and that dulcet dunce Reverend will have us believe. I hope you enjoy it.
It's your right to block them but what you're doing is to throw the stone to them while blocking them.
Indeed, hit run and hide. Cowardly in my books.
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@zedvictor4
Reinterpreting history and the thoughts of 50 million anonymous persons is easy.
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First off the BIBLE doesn't say the woman was "a gentile". As claimed by the Reverend. In the link below, it specifically states that she was a Canaanite. There is only one single bible of all the English bibles written that refers to her a gentile. https://biblehub.com/matthew/15-22.htm
Regardless,
This little story lasting only 8 short verses in Matthew 15:22-28 is titled.
The Faith of a Canaanite Woman
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
And here endeth the story.
So what is it about?
Well for those bone idle Christians that can't take the time to research what they preach to others and are oblivious to the tiniest of Jewish history this story needs some background.
Israel had been under the rule of the Greeks for some 400 years before the Romans who then ruled some 100+ years and all before Jesus the JEW had appeared on the scene.
One only has to imagine the change in culture, practices, society and religious beliefs that Israel had undergone during those times . Many Jews over generations by the time of Jesus had simply taken on Greek culture and religious beliefs i.e. they had become what is called - Hellenised. <<<These were the "lost sheep" that Jesus had come to reunite with their original god- Yahweh See Matthew 15:24 above. Some, the devout Israelite/Jews - hadn't forgotten their god and hadn't lost faith and were waiting for the promised "Messiah of the seed of David" to appear and free them from the Roman yoke.
Tyre and Sidon- (see above Matthew 15:2) were Roman port cities located in northern Israel on the Mediterranean and heavily were guarded.
Jesus was a wanted man both by Rome and the Jewish authorities and word had spread throughout Israel that the Messiah had indeed arrived.. some believed it while others didn't, regardless he and his followers were on the hit list as the BIBLE in many places clearly attests to.
So then we have this Canaanite woman appearing out of nowhere making a proper song and dance, begging on her knees and crying out to Jesus- a wanted man -"“Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me!", and all in broad daylight and in earshot of all authorities!
What was the response of Jesus ? It was to try to ignore her. (See Matthew 15:23 above) but she kept "crying out" aloud.
And the disciples that were accompanying him, what was their response?
Well to put this into plain modern English it was, shall we tell her to Fk off before she blows our anonymity and gets us all the fk arrested!
Jesus then spoke these now famous words that are easy for anyone to understand, even dulcet bible dunces such as our resident Pastor and Chaplain, but the never mention it for obvious fkn reasons.
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel". In other words - I am not here for this riff-raff scum, I am here for only gods chosen and treasured people, the lost sheep of ISRAEL!
But of course the riff -raff scum woman wasn't giving up as she persisted in begged the Messiah seed and son of David to do something about her "Demon possessed" daughter. (See Matthew 15:25)
But again, what was the response to the scummy riff-raff woman?
Well it was this lovely compliment;
He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” (See Matthew15:26). And the bread Jesus spoke of was of course was the wisdom of his forgiveness and teaching the so called "bread of life" that he wasn't going to waste on the scummy riff-raff's daughter. But riff-raff scummy woman said it was right to do so> "27 “Yes it is, Lord,” [right] she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
Jesus realised riff-raff scummy Canaanite woman wasn't going anywhere and certainly wasn't going to shut the fk up so given the sticky situation Jesus spoke just 8 magical words and her wish was granted. And the day was saved.... all round.
Demon Possessed.....
....are words often bandied around often in the New Testament. But thicko Pastors and Chaplains that are far too bone idle to research, never mind understand, that this is a coverall term of phrase of that time. In those times one could be sick or mentally ill and be called Demon Possessed. As can anyone deemed to be rebellious or of another faith, go against the status quo, disobedient. And keep this in mind that both John the Baptist (the greatest prophet that ever lived according to Jesus) was said to be "demon possessed" as was Jesus said to be by members of his own fkn family!
The scummy riff-raff Canaanite's daughter was simply Hellenised hence rebellious , hence she was "demon possessed".
Here endeth the lesson.
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@Barney
RationalMadman wrote: . you can reply to people here while blocking them, without unblocking.Stephen wrote: Nope. He @-ed me. To do that the coward has to unblock me. I have raised this cowardly practice with moderation and they confirmed it.RationalMadman wrote: nope he doesn't, if the other person hasn't blocked you and you block them, you can @ them without unblocking them.
Where is the logic in that FFS! This is a discussion forum!
If someone blocks me does it not mean that they want no contact with me? Or is it simply a case of being denied a right reply there by enabling the blocker to say and claim just about anything and go unchallenged?
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@IlDiavolo
Tradesecret wrote @ IlDiavolo, in Matthew 15:24 that he had come for the lost sheep of Israel.,
See what the snide Reverend did with that verse, D. he left out the word "only". Pick a bible , D. Any bible.
NIV
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
NLV
NLV
Then Jesus said to the woman, “I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.”
ESV
ESV
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
KJV
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Keep in mind the times, the situation and where in particular this incident had taken place, He was a wanted man. He had no choice but to "heal" the daughter. He desperately needed to shut her up. Tyre and Sidon were heavily occupied by the Romans. She was shouting his name all over the place in hostile occupied territory. - "My Lord son of David"!
Jesus tried to ignore her at first and the disciples asked him should they get rid of her "send her away". even when the woman made a show by kneeling and begging him, he insulted the woman instead saying "It is not right to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs."
I have explained this story to that bible bashing Pastor /Chaplain cretin a few times.
The Faith of a Canaanite Woman
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
"demon possessed" could mean just about anything in those days. Upsetting the status quo, defying your parents, swearing, being drunk or simply being a "gentile".
John the Baptist who, according to Jesus was the " greatest prophet that ever lived " was said to be demon possessed.
That bible cretin Reverend Tradsecret has never studied the bible. By his own admission he told this forum that is all thathe "doesn't have an agenda" and that all ever does is "take what he's been told and passes it on"<< Those are his own fkn words!!!..
"doesn't have an agenda" he says, he must be the only ordained man of the cloth that forgot what he was commissioned to do by his lord Jesus.
Matthew 28:16-20
The Great Commission
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
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@RationalMadman
you can reply to people here while blocking them, without unblocking.
Nope. He @-ed me. To do that the coward has to unblock me. I have raised this cowardly practice with moderation and they confirmed it.
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@IlDiavolo
Contrary to all what you [Tradesecret] said here, Christianity hasn't been a peaceful religion throughout the history. Just to give an example: the Crusaders or the Inquisition were nothing but violent and deadly zealots.
That wasn't all. Christians slaughtered every living peaceful Cathar that ever existed as they did the peaceful Albigensians .
As I said above. Jesus would say one thing in the earshot of the Roman and Jewish authorities while he was building an army of followers mostly made up of Galilean zealots and preaching something different in secret.
If ever you have the inclination or the time, D. read this thread of mine. It proves what a bible dunce he is - and where he gave up and blocked me shortly after. You only have to read from where he joins the thread and our exchanges from then on Here>>
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8152-the-story-of-the-certain-witnesses?page=2&post_number=45
Or you can skip the parts where I have shown him for the bible dunce he is and start where I asked the clown to name Jesus 12 disciples. HERE>
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/8152-the-story-of-the-certain-witnesses?page=4&post_number=98
And he has the brass neck to tell anyone that will listen that I "don't want to have a serious discussion about the scriptures". He's a natural born idiot, in every sense of the word.
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@IlDiavolo
I guess you have Stephen blocked
Yes he has me on "permanent block" and promised that he wouldn't ever address me direct again and I was so pleased. But being the fkn contradictory hypocrite cowards that he is, he unblocks me now and again to enable himself to respond to something I have posted and then blocks me again so I cannot respond to the fkn clown direct.
I did predict at the time he blocked me that he would use this cowardly practice and it turns out that I was correct on more than one occasion.
Considering Stephen's response, yours [Tradsecret] seems to be utterly misplaced.
Stand by for the BS story of the "new covenant". Which is also another load of bollocks.
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@zedvictor4
Tradesecret wrote: absolute bollocks! here>>.#18
Long story short.
Constantine a ROMAN had a dilemma. He was outnumbered. Then suddenly he found a way out. It was the day before the Battle of the Milvian Bridge that he was inevitably going to lose that he claimed - so the legend goes- to have seen in a dream a magical sign in the sky. It was the sign of the cross emblazoned in GREEK WORDS! It read Εν τούτῳ νίκα (In this sign, conquer, or variations of). Well, that was it wasn't it, Vic.
All the Christians decided to join forces with those that were enemies that had been persecuting and murdering them just the day before.
Constantine, it is said, didn't convert himself until he was on his death bed.
Rome/ Romans had there own gods and the only way that Jesus /Christianity would be accepted into the Roman pantheon was to claim he was also a god.... which he wasn't.
Christians eh, they will scrape any barrel as long as it further their false beliefs about "Jesus son of man born of woman".
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@IlDiavolo
Tradesecret wrote @ IlDiavolo I take the view that this [sermon on the mount] is not talking about any situation but only where it its related to Christians being persecuted for being Christians.
The words of the Reverend Tradesecret above are the words of a deluded Christian Pastor/Chaplain in hopeless denial.
Jesus was a Jew. There were no Christians in Israel/Judaea in Jesus' time. Jesus came "only to the lost sheep of Israel" not non-existent Christians. Jesus believed he was King of the Jews. The wise men came to pay homage to "the king of the Jews". The headboard on the cross read "king of the Jews". Jesus King of the Jews
lived his life as a Jewish man, honouring the Jewish Ten Commandments and teaching that he did not come to abolish Jewish law. The BIBLE tells us that the "treasured and chosen people" of the earth were Jews and as the BIBLE attests to with over 100 verses proclaiming "Israel my treasured and chosen people".
The word Christian appears nowhere in any of the four gospel's.
Jesus would have been appalled that a whole new religion had sprang up in his name.
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@IlDiavolo
if Jesus was to defend himself he could have got away from the roman soldiers, specially when he knew beforehand that he was wanted by the jewish priests. However, he didn't.The only way to solve this stupidity from the bible is that Jesus didn't knew that the roman soldiers were going to arrest him.
I think he must have known he was wanted by the Jewish authorities, D. He'd kept a low profile from the day he came to the Jordan until his so called "triumphant" entry into Jerusalem. His centre of operations was Bethany Galilee aka "the wilderness" from where his inner 12 were recruited. And there is the point that the bible tells us that "the Jews" had tried to kill him a few times for the crime of blasphemy. And also tell us that "the Jews" wanted both he and Lazarus dead.
Then we factor in the point that Jesus had followers/supporters inside the Jewish hierarchy i.e, at least two members of the council that would have tipped him off.
And of course there is the biblical supernatural element of Jesus' power for fkn mind reading telling Judas to " do what he must do"- go give away his location of where he would be later that evening.
But I find it interesting that the bible attempts to make this out as all a sole "Jewish" conspiracy enterprise and that the Romans and the Herodians hadn't ever heard of him until his arrest. But this is simply utter bollocks. We only have to read the story of his arrest.
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@IlDiavolo
So, what do you think a christian should do before an agression? Defend himself or turn the other cheek?
"before"?
Christian or not it would depends on how one conceives a/the imminate the threat to be; immediate serious risk of deathor serious physical harm?
But if we are talking about Roman occupation of Judaea in 1st century AD then the whole context changes dramatically.
When Jesus was speaking to his followers - mostly made up of hot tempered Galilean cut throat Zealots that hated Rome, Romans and anything Roman.
It starts:
Luke 6:20 Looking at his disciples, he said,
[ 8 or 9 "blessed art thou" sermon on the mount],
27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them.
A lot can be drawn from this and of course a lot can be made of it, but one does have to take into account the time and situation of 1st century occupied Judaea.
Even if one of them has received a smack in the mouth, Jesus is hardly going to command them to got out and murder every Roman they can get their hands on in full view of Romans and the Jewish authorities, is he?
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@zedvictor4
Pouring with rain in NW again all good though, thanks Vic.
have a nice day, both.
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@zedvictor4
It's always nice to receive a thumbs up.
Here, have another Vic lad.👍 😊
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@RationalMadman
So what are these "many things" that you have based your opinion that the god of the bible and of Christians, is a false god?The title of the thread is about whether god of this reality rewards devout members of a religion or not.
Ok, then who is "the god of this reality" ?
I didn't know this is about the Christian god only, that's your misinterpretation.
I see, so its not only about the Christian god but other gods too? If that's the case, which one/s?
And I did actually mention the BIBLICAL god in the first instance, HERE> #8 which caused you to reply that "he was a false idol" HERE>#9 . Why didn't you mention at that point that your thread wasn't intended to include the "false" Christian biblical god?
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@FishChaser
Do you have a similar skepticism towards what these millions of retards of believe without any basis?
Well its not so much Christians per se (or as you prefer to call them "retards") although they inevitably will end up in the cross fire at times. Its the unreliable, contradictory, ambiguous half stories that make up gospels themselves that I have a problem with. And I do have a basis for my scepticism. And have shown as much on the many threads that I have created on this religion forum regarding the gospels and the characters therein..
Do you question Christians in a similar way whenever they spew their filthy baseless dog shit beliefs?
As I said. I scrutinize and question the gospels themselves. Lets face it, who would be braindead enough to try to convince a devout believer that they may be wrong concerning Jesus, god and the scriptures? You maybe? I am not interested that a person has a faith, it is what they have a faith in that concerns me.
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@RationalMadman
He is a false idolWho says that?I didWhat is your opinion based on?Many things but the focus in this thread is that if you observe reality.
But you have questioned the belief in what millions believe is, in their "reality" a real god, saying that he is a "false god" thereby making this god the focus of the thread, your thread.
So what are these "many things" that you have based your opinion that the god of the bible and of Christians, is a false god?
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@RationalMadman
He is a false idolWho says that?I did
What is your opinion based on?
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@FishChaser
RM is a smart boi.
Not without your extremely intelligent input, and over 50 very impressive debates under your belt, he's not.
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@FishChaser
RM's opinion is more based than Christianity.So you know him then?Yes, I have known him since before he joined this site. He has a long history on other debate sites.So you know him well enough to know that he is incapable of answering for himself. You must be close.He can answer for himself, but he can also insert a butt plug into your mouth.I would have preferred a genuine answer in his own words, but it appears that once again that you have had to answer for him.I would have preferred if you jumped off a cliff.
Irrelevant .
And neither "a butt plug" nor your preference for me to launch myself from "off cliff top " would gain me an answer to my simple question put to a simpleton that appears to preferer someone else to speak for him.
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@FishChaser
RM's opinion is more based than Christianity.So you know him then?Yes, I have known him since before he joined this site. He has a long history on other debate sites.So you know him well enough to know that he is incapable of answering for himself. You must be close.He can answer for himself, but he can also insert a butt plug into your mouth.
I would have preferred a genuine answer in his own words, but it appears that once again that you have had to answer for him.
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@FishChaser
RM's opinion is more based than Christianity.So you know him then?Yes, I have known him since before he joined this site. He has a long history on other debate sites.
So you know him well enough to know that he is incapable of answering for himself.
You must be close.
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@FishChaser
RM's opinion is more based than Christianity.
So you know him then?
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@Best.Korea
@Best.KoreaYou should hope I am insane. Otherwise there will be blood.And that won't be a pretty site. I can guarantee it.
All very "turn the other cheek", isn't it, BK. Reverend Tradesecret hypocrisy at its best.🤣
I did say he would play victim once he was reminded of his own freely given personal information given to strangers on a forum of the www .
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@Best.Korea
Tradesecret wrote: yes, I am a lawyer. I also teach at universities. I am or rather was a chaplain. I have two degrees in theology. And have studied the original languages. I used to have a farm. And I do work in charity and have a wonderful life.Best.Korea wrote: Lol Are you also an astronaut?
He's not this week BK, but he maybe next week or even tomorrow.😂
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@7000series
@ Tradesecret: I'm tearing up.
So am I....... with laughter. 🤣 🤣🤣
The Reverend Tradsecret is a self confessed "sexual deviant" that has told us in the past that he has "experimented with sex in many ways even with "family members" when in India. I am going to assume that Mrs Traedesecret knows all about his sexual deviant past considering he has confessed freely and willingly on this open forum on the WWW about his sexual shenanigans of days gone by. I have the receipts
Interesting he says this above:
I'm not gay. I'm not bisexual. I choose to love my wife and to honour my God.
While telling us often "I didn't choose god but that god chose me".
The man is a psychopathic compulsive lying clown that just cannot help telling us and the www all about himself but then plays victim when his lies, contradictions and past statements and confessions of the past raise their ugly head.
And lets not forget the Reverend Tradsecret speaks of everything being predestined where he often tell us:
Tradesecret wrote:Predestination I had no choice.
And there is all this other Bullshite that he has entertained us with over the years:
"Being alecturer that teaches the scripture at universities. " No,I don't charge students, I charge universities when theyrequest me to lecture to them". #20.
Alongwith "being a Chaplain to his countries' defences;(Pick a country any country, s/he says s/he's Australian then aNew Zealander and Indian) "I am qualified by certifiedcolleges with proper accreditation". #20
Alongwith telling us; I am also a chaplain to ourCountries Defence forces, a position I could not have without properqualifications". #20
Alongwith telling us; " I studied and wastutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from theOrthodox Church". #91
Alongwith telling us; " I study the originallanguages, translate them to English", #25
Alongwith his criminal lawyering that can take 100's ofhours of a lawyers time reading briefs and just as many in the courtroom defending criminal criminals!
Alongwith his anti abortion work; "I devote asignificant amount of my resources in trying to prevent abortionsfrom happening".#64
Thelist is long and so so varied. Where ever doess/he find the time? <<<< ALL THIS on top of a his familylife and running farm! Yes the farm with its "millions of years old rocks".
Alongwith "being a Chaplain to his countries' defences;(Pick a country any country, s/he says s/he's Australian then aNew Zealander and Indian) "I am qualified by certifiedcolleges with proper accreditation". #20
Alongwith telling us; I am also a chaplain to ourCountries Defence forces, a position I could not have without properqualifications". #20
Alongwith telling us; " I studied and wastutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from theOrthodox Church". #91
Alongwith telling us; " I study the originallanguages, translate them to English", #25
Alongwith his criminal lawyering that can take 100's ofhours of a lawyers time reading briefs and just as many in the courtroom defending criminal criminals!
Alongwith his anti abortion work; "I devote asignificant amount of my resources in trying to prevent abortionsfrom happening".#64
Thelist is long and so so varied. Where ever doess/he find the time? <<<< ALL THIS on top of a his familylife and running farm! Yes the farm with its "millions of years old rocks".
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@7000series
God probably didn't think much about humans when creating the cosmos.
Indeed human life was cheap to this god. Literally 10 a penny.
Read the book of Job . https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%201&version=NIV
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@RationalMadman
He is a false idolWho says that?I did
What is your opinion based on?
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@RationalMadman
He is a false idol
Who says that?
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@RationalMadman
rather than those dedicating a life to 'god'.
Well isn't that what the egomaniac psychopathic, jealous biblical god of war demands? The commandments are nearly all about himself.
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@WyIted
He told Peter not to raise his sword because he has a death wish.
Good advice considering they were outnumbered by about 10 to 1.
Jesus also told his disciples to arm themselves even at the cost of selling their coats.
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@Benjamin
what Jesus said:
- Jesus said
- when Jesus said
- Jesus said
Well Jesus said a lot of things (or the gospel writers put a lot of words in his mouth) that appear to contradict himself or would be outright lies.
Equal then not equal
John 10:30 " I and the Father are one".John 14:28 “ I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I" .
I judge then I don't judge
John 5:22 , 30. " Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son. By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just".John 8:15 " You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.John 12:47 " I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
I am my own witness and it is true. Then It is not true.
John 8:14 “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going".John 5:31 “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true.
Man is not my witness. Man is my witness .
John 33-34 “You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth. 34 Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved.John 15:27 "And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.
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@FishChaser
I have heard some people say that Mary was like 12 when Jesus was conceived, so basically God himself fucked a 12 year old XD
Not impossible given the time and culture.
I too have heard that the wife of Jesus (probably Mary Magdalene the Benjamite) was around that age.
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@WyIted
Have you ever heard of the popular phrases 1. I am dead inside2. You are dead to me.
Exactly. idioms, as in Dead man walking. Dead to the world. And as " he was dead [to me] now he is alive again Luke 15:24
If you say let the dead bury the dead than you would me let the spiritually dead bury the physically dead.
Yep. I think the bible Luke 9:60 itself has proven my point. As did "let us go that we may die with him" John 11:16
We might just have to end this here.
Yep. Nice speaking with you.
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