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@n8nrgim
Skeptics have impossible standards.If God punishes sinners, they say God is bad. If God doesn't punish sinners, they say God is bad.
Where in the bible does god or his representatives not punish sinners?
I see these impossible standards all over the place when it comes to religion.
What do you believe causes scepticism when it comes to religion?
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@WyIted
And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead”. <<<<< that should spell it out for you.Isn't this no different than me telling somebody they are dead to me and then mentioning my dad died.
It, I believe, proves the point I have made. "Let the dead bury the dead". This disciple who asked for leave was clearly among and inside the Jesus movement so wasn't "dead". And as I have repeated a few times now that those outside the Jesus movement were considered "dead". Hence, "let the dead bury the dead". Hence the father was physically dead among those considered and called "the dead" by the Jesus movement
If I am wrong , and we have to take this all literal, then simply ask yourself, how can someone that is physically dead and rotting bury anyone?
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@WyIted
So if we are to take this story as an actual literal event, then Jesus, son of god, miracle worker and general know-it - all, who is also believed to be god, got it totally wrong didn't he, Wylted?I am just looking for the intent of the story. Is it intended to be literal or not and if it is supposed to be figurative wouldn't it have more colorful tone?
One could I suppose, assume it is figurative in the use of language and or metaphor. But to those of the time it was probably quite normal and understood the language of the day. As with the example I highlighted concerning the language used by the wayward prodigal son's father. The son wasn't "dead" and rotting, was he?
If they say he got it wrong either they are bad writers or they are honest writers and just aren't realizing this disqualifies Jesus as being omniscient.
Well if you believe the story of Lazarus then Jesus got just about everything wrong, didn't he? First we are told that he was only "sick" and we are told by Jesus that Lazarus wouldn't "die" yet in the next breath Jesus informs those with him that Lazarus is "dead".
Unless of course, it is as I have explained: that is was a ritualistic "raising" from the dead. And the disciples wished to "die" with him so they might be "raised" too.I am just asking you why it doesn't just come out and say it is a ritualistic raising from the dead.
[A]
You have to understand the time and the actual situation Jesus and his followers were in. They were all eventually wanted by the Roman authorities. This is why Jesus (although he denies it) did many thing in secret. How often can we read of Jesus telling someone not to mention what he had said or done. And do not all sects, secret societies and occults use language that is only understood by those "with ears"?
I don't doubt we can pull some sort of allegory from the story.
We can, it was a ritualist raising to a higher degree in the Jesus movement. i.e. having another meaning that transcends the literal sense of a sacred text. Freemasons to this day use identical language and rituals that start with the induction of the Apprentice through Honorary 33rd degree and beyond. Armies uses code, crooks use words known only to their own circle. Here in England the underworld too had their own rhyming slang which is now commonly known throughout the country for "those with ears" and those that take the time to explore it.
Police use a phonetic language of communication i.e. Alfa, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot etc etc.
Just remember this from the mouth of Jesus himself:
"Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them". Matthew 13:10-12.
And there is the biblical story of the "dead" daughter;
When we take closer look at the “dead daughter” story we can see that either Jesus lied or he didn’t perform a miracle or both;
“behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshiped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live. And when Jesus came into the ruler's house, and saw the minstrels and the people making a noise. He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn. But when the people were put forth, he went in, and took her by the hand, and the maid arose”. Mathew 9: 18-25.KJV
So we see, if the “certain” ruler’s daughter is dead has her father believes she is ( he would know wouldn't he?), then Jesus lied exactly as he did to those disciples who were with him in the case of Lazarus where he first told them Lazarus was not dead but asleep. And if she (the daughter) was not dead, then there was no miracle performed but a ritual “raising”.
it is merely Jesus trying to show off his magical powers to prove he is God.
Well, as I have already pointed out to you, if Jesus had "magical powers" then he failed miserably in predicting that Lazarus wouldn't "die". Indeed, his entire mission failed, didn't it?
The biggest takeaway I would like you to help me here with is, maybe answering why an allegory wouldn't be more clearly an allegory or stated to be such?
See [A] above.
Maybe this bible verse will help you understand what I have been telling you.
Matthew 8:21-22.KJV “And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead”. <<<<< that should spell it out for you.
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@WyIted
There is a lot to breakdown there.
I did say to you above it would take pages to explain this story.
I have no time now, it is my day out and wouldn't miss it for rain, heat, sleet or snow.
Have a nice day yourself, Wylted.
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@WyIted
Look at this verse from your link and tell me what you believe Thomas the disciple meant?John 11:16 Then Thomas (also known as Didymus) said to the rest of the disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with him.”I assume it i due protecting jesus from enemies when he plans to head to hostile territory.
Well they were not in "hostile territory" in this instance, were they? They were relaxing by the river and the only mention of "death" is that of Lazarus. And neither were they heading for "hostile territory", they were heading for Bethany because it was now said by Jesus that Lazarus had "died".
Look at the preceding verses:
14 So then he told them plainly, “Lazarus is dead, 15 and for your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.”
This is immediately followed by Verse 16. "“Let us also go, that we may die with him.” so they can only be talking of Lazarus' "death" and not dying with Jesus in the course of "protecting" him as you have assumed..
Jesus was said to have " loved Lazarus" , but on hearing the news that his friend whom he loved was at this point only "sick", what did Jesus do? He didn't rush to his good friend who he loves sickbed, did he? No, what he did instead was to "tarry another for two days days". After saying Lazarus wouldn't "die". Indeed he loved him so much that after hearing the sad news about his friend he took another two days holiday dipping his feet in the cool waters of the Jordan.
>>> "This sickness will not end in death".
So if we are to take this story as an actual literal event, then Jesus, son of god, miracle worker and general know-it - all, who is also believed by some to be god, got it totally wrong didn't he, Wylted?
Unless of course, it is as I have explained: that is was a ritualistic "raising" from the dead. And the disciples wished to "die" with him so they might be "raised" too.
Just so we are clear, I have no reason not to believe that Jesus exist.
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@WyIted
Here is the verses if you don't feel like clicking on the link
I know the verses very well, Wylted. And to explain to you what is going on here would take probably pages. So I will try a short cut.
Look at this verse from your link and tell me what you believe Thomas the disciple meant?
John 11:16 Then Thomas (also known as Didymus) said to the rest of the disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with him.”
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@WyIted
So you are essentially saying these people are speaking in riddles and when physical death is mentioned they mean spiritual death.
Anyone in Jesus' circle were called the living. Anyone not in that circle were referred to as being dead.
What I am saying is that in all these instances of "raising the DEAD" that it is simply a case of being "raised" from outside of the circle and from among those that were referred to or considered as being spiritually dead into the circle of the "living" . . It was a simple case of initiation. From that point on some followers/disciples were then again raised within the circle to higher degrees of initiation as was the case of Lazarus. He was in the process of being "raised" to a higher degree in the Jesus movement but decided against it . It appears then that Jesus was able to convince him to stay.
Its my guess that Lazarus was offered the position of High Priest should the Jesus mission be successful and Jesus became King and so decided to stay.
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@WyIted
Hold on wasn't Lazarus a physical death?
No.
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@WyIted
I will try and explain it to you with this question. If you, I and a few others started a movement and we called it The Movement Of The Living , and anyone outside of our circle we called the "dead ", from where would we raise more new members from amongst?It feels like the answer should be from raising the dead.
It is.
And therein lies your answer. Jesus didn't raise people from a physical death he raised them from among the spiritual "dead".
And, just as someone can be raised from this spiritual death, they can also be thrown back to live among the "dead" , as was the case with Ananias and his wife Sapphira in the bible. "Dead" in these cases is a simple idiom of the time. As in the return of the wayward prodigal son "For this my son was dead, and is alive again. Luke 15:24
If you are going to try and take me down the Richard carrier rabbit hole.
Nope. Just stating biblical facts to you. You are entitled to believe what you will, Wylted. I am not in the business of conversion or convincing.
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@WyIted
then keep a tiny bit for themselves and were essentially struck dead for lying about this sin.
But it wasn't a literal physical "death". It was an excommunication from the movement; a spiritual death if you like
I know I am missing something.
You are.
I will try and explain it to you with this question. If you, I and a few others started a movement and we called it The Movement Of The Living , and anyone outside of our circle we called the "dead ", from where would we raise more new members from amongst?
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@WyIted
its a new testamant bible story. I doubt you'll find anything on youtube? But I could be wrong.
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@WyIted
disfellowship.
Well that would be known as excommunication in the field of religion.
Have you not read of the excommunication of Ananias and his wife Sapphira in the bible?
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@WyIted
Religion hurts people all of the time. Wylted. And in many ways. Jehovah's witnesses' don't agree with higher education for their own children. I am sure you can guess why that is.Norway had a ruling that they cannot recieve state funding due to their shunning practices. The JWs sued and claimed they don't shun and in the second day if court the state showed a video of watchtower own disfellowship videos.
My point had nothing to do with "state funding". My point was that JW's are against further education.
"Jehovah’s Witnesses do not condone obtaining a college education and treat the endeavor as morally wrong and selfish. Jehovah’s Witnesses are instead encouraged to obtain a minimal level of education, only enough to look after their very basic needs".
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@WyIted
Christianity has also hurt me. As a kid I internalized certain concepts like the fact I thought Jesus wanted me to be poor so everytime I would get a high paying job I would immediately quit it out of a sense of guilt.
While Jesus surrounded himself with the rich.
I also believed that Jesus wanted me to turn the other cheek and interpreted that to mean I should be a doormat.
While surrounding himself with cut-throat Galilean Zealots
So Christianity has at one point hurt me significantly.
Religion hurts people all of the time. Wylted. And in many ways. Jehovah's witnesses' don't agree with higher education for their own children. I am sure you can guess why that is.
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@WyIted
I am no theologian , but the Rider Waite deck uses a lot of christian symbolism such as the resurrection of the dead in end times. The fool being hung upside down like Judas
It was Peter not Judas.
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@Best.Korea
I will start divination topic tommorrow where people ask "yes or no" questions.
Should be interesting.
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@Best.Korea
I think divination is real. I think its real, because it often gives me correct answers about my future, so in most cases I know what to expect.
Can you give me the lottery numbers for tomorrow, BK?😊
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@WyIted
but I did want to start an open dialog to answer questions some of you have been wondering. ..................So any questions I can answer about Judaism as th only real Jew on the site, I will be happy to answer
So can you further this claim you made?
When you look pass the lies about humanity,
Which lies and told by who?
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@WyIted
Asking for evidence is bigoted.
I don't understand how you come to such a conclusion considering that it was you that cited "Revelations and Daniel" of the Bible. I simply asked you to show me those particular verses.
Things like evidence and logic are ways for whites to enslave us all over again.
Well you come across to me as someone with biblical knowledge and I expected you to be more than willing- indeed eager to show us those biblical chapters that you yourself referenced.
Science, logic and math as well as standards of evidence are rooted in white patriarchal society.
No. that is simple education and progress through the ages. Are you not able to write, read and do maths. Where did you gain such knowledge and capabilities? For you are not uneducated, are you?
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@WyIted
Africans as the original Israel was in Africa.
Well I don't see any citation for that claim, WyIted but regardless, I would support your claim if you had said Africa was the birthplace of mankind. As for "the original Israel", neither the man (Jacob/Israel) nor the place (Israel) were even thought about for at least another couple of thousand years if we are to take the bible as historically factual.
The creation of the Adam (4000 BC) to the renaming of Jacob to Israel (1906 BC)
The garden of eden was between the Tigris and euphrates River.
Yes. The bible makes it clear for the careful reader that the Adam was created in one place and moved to another. I will assume that this is from Africa ,( the birthplace of mankind that I mention above ) to the land between two rivers; Mesopotamia.
AlsoBoth Revelations and Daniel gives us clear description, hair of wool, eyes flamed red, skin brass, . For you who say he looked like a Jew, original Jews are black, ancient history tells us this. Jews did not become brighter and now white until many years after. When you look pass the lies about humanity, then you will find that Jesus came from the bloodline of Shem, black, the bloodline of a harlots black also.
Can you show me those BIBLICAL passages from Revelations and Daniel , please?
When you look pass the lies about humanity,
Which lies and told by who?
then you will find that Jesus came from the bloodline of Shem, black,
Can you show me the BIBLICAL verse/s that show the bloodline of Jesus reaching into the distant past that shows us the he was of the bloodline of Ham?
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@WyIted
Black Israelite are the real Jews.
What's a "real" Jew, WyIted ?
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@Best.Korea
Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money?
Looks like it, BK.
Laborers in the Vineyard
20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a master of a house who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 After agreeing with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 And going out about the third hour he saw others standing idle in the marketplace, 4 and to them he said, ‘You go into the vineyard too, and whatever is right I will give you.’ 5 So they went. Going out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour, he did the same. 6 And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing. And he said to them, ‘Why do you stand here idle all day?’ 7 They said to him, ‘Because no one has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You go into the vineyard too.’ 8 And when evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last, up to the first.’ 9 And when those hired about the eleventh hour came, each of them received a denarius. 10 Now when those hired first came, they thought they would receive more, but each of them also received a denarius. 11 And on receiving it they grumbled at the master of the house, 12 saying, ‘These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.’ 13 But he replied to one of them, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius? 14 Take what belongs to you and go. I choose to give to this last worker as I give to you. 15 Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?’ 16 So the last will be first, and the first last.”
20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a master of a house who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 After agreeing with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 And going out about the third hour he saw others standing idle in the marketplace, 4 and to them he said, ‘You go into the vineyard too, and whatever is right I will give you.’ 5 So they went. Going out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour, he did the same. 6 And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing. And he said to them, ‘Why do you stand here idle all day?’ 7 They said to him, ‘Because no one has hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You go into the vineyard too.’ 8 And when evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last, up to the first.’ 9 And when those hired about the eleventh hour came, each of them received a denarius. 10 Now when those hired first came, they thought they would receive more, but each of them also received a denarius. 11 And on receiving it they grumbled at the master of the house, 12 saying, ‘These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.’ 13 But he replied to one of them, ‘Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius? 14 Take what belongs to you and go. I choose to give to this last worker as I give to you. 15 Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?’ 16 So the last will be first, and the first last.”
In other words. If you are or agree to be good all of your life your wages/reward is a place in heaven. Buy if you only agree to be good for the latter part of your life, you will still get the same reward.
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@zedvictor4
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@Amber
@<<<Amber>>>Is not Paganism one of those "interests" you wish to engage in?If it were, I would have started a new discussion on it. ....... there are so many others of greater interest.Such as that pseudoscientific form of healing favoured by Pagans known as Reiki ?Troll.
So Reiki "attunement" isn't for you then? Not interested in finding your "ki"?
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@zedvictor4
This one was interesting, Vic.
What's the point of multiaccounting?
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@zedvictor4
Makes light interesting reading when you feel the need to cheer yourself up, Vic.
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@zedvictor4
etc etc
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@Best.Korea
Such as that pseudoscientific form of healing favoured by Pagans known as Reiki ?Reiki sounds interesting after I googled it.
Each to their own BK.
I'd never heard of it myself until one of the rudest members ever entertained by this forum mentioned it. She too was a pagan, a Witch in fact. A disgusting filthy wretch she was, couldn't stop talking about the sex and children and labelling some members here as paedophiles.
Reiki certainly didn't work for her temperament or her anger or her penchant for creating conflict out of nothing as it was supposed to, according to her. I actually thought she was suffering with some serious mental issues. So it had no calming effects on her whatsoever.
But she swore it worked wonders for her and was so happy when she had reached a certain level in the Reiki field.
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@Amber
Is not Paganism one of those "interests" you wish to engage in?If it were, I would have started a new discussion on it. ....... there are so many others of greater interest.
Such as that pseudoscientific form of healing favoured by Pagans known as Reiki ?
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@Amber
-->@<<<Amber>>>What are the gods of you (sic) professed paganism. Amber?Insult me and you might get a lightning bolt up your... *wink*
I believe it was a fair question and have no interest in insulting you or anyone else - as long as they adhere to there own set standards.
You must believe everything you see on the internet.
I don't believe everything I see on the internet. But you have written in your profile :
Religion - Pagan
And I was hoping for one of those "general discussions" that you say is one of the reasons that you joined the forum.
Amber wrote: Wow. I cannot believe I found a pretty decent website that fosters debate, or general discussion with interests. Anyhow, I am a young woman in America who is yearning to get a Bachelors degree in Political Science and I am very curious about broadening my horizons with debate and discussions on same or similar topics. So, I signed up today and thought I could work on that. Any help, advice and direction would be greatly appreciated from the respected members. Thank you, kindly.
Is not Paganism one of those "interests" you wish to engage in?
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@Amber
What are the gods of you professed paganism. Amber?
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@TheUnderdog
Tradesecret wrote: @TheUnderdog
I think people should be allowed to live in any country they want to live. I think we should get rid of passports and visa. But people should be allowed to live anywhere without the fear of getting blown up. In America, you might not get bombed, more likely to get shot. #41
Obviously the Reverend Tradesecret hasn't been keeping his eye on what has happened in the UK and all across Europe because of the very beliefs that he obviously supports and holds so dear.
There are none so blind- etc etc
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@Hero_In_Instatute
@TheBrotherDThomas
Hero_In_Instatute, wrote @TheBrotherDThomas
do u ever say anything new or do u always recite the same lines from the same boring scriptyou're a broken record #46
You have been here ten minutes and have read all of the Brothers posts. Well done!
Even the highly educated and master of ancient languages the Reverend Tradesecret could beat that achievement.
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@TheBrotherDThomas
Good to see you back Brother D. Did you get shadow banned AGAIN!? You should have a word with Whiteflame.
MISS TRADESECRET'S MISGUIDED QUOTE ONCE AGAIN!: "Jesus never condoned slavery."HUH? WTF! MISS TRADESECRET embarrasses herself AGAIN where none other than Jesus as God stated the following relative to SLAVERY where He most certainly condoned it by having SLAVES BEATEN!"And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes." (Luke 12:47-48)
And to think that the Reverend Tradesecret will have us know that he had "been taught to memories the bible since he was a child". And tells us that he is "able to read the scriptures many ancient languages.!"
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@IlDiavolo
What moves people to fight each other is their ego......And this is more evident among people that hold some kind of power.
Ego may well come under the banner of war for overall supremacy as is well documented by the Mesopotamians, Egyptians and Hebrews
But there are other reasons people choose to go to war.
Living space, resources, minerals , food, water.
Consider this one example. Egypt consider the new Ethiopian dam an existential threat to the livelihoods 100 million Egyptians. Sudan are not too happy about it Either.
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@IlDiavolo
I'm not saying it's the truth. I'm just pointing out that all the ancient scriptures tell more or less the same story.
They do indeed. All ancient civilisations from every continent point skyward and tell us the same story, "they came down from up there down to Earth and they taught us everything we know". They made wars amongst themselves, etc etc.
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@zedvictor4
Bhangra show at the Rep.Not my cup of tea.
That 70's band Hot Chocolate was never my cup of tea, Vic.😊
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@IlDiavolo
Buy off failed so:
Stephen Meyer insists his brother was murdered. After all, Meyer’s invention posed an incalculable threat to billions of oil industry dollars and untold fortunes, and he’d successfully resisted succumbing to numerous buyout offers. Additionally, the inventor had warded off pressure from numerous overseas visitors and weathered persistent government spying operations. And, perhaps not so strangely, those investors who dined with the Meyer brothers on that fateful day declined to offer so much as a condolence following Meyer’s demise.
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@IlDiavolo
Can you imagine this fucking world if we had unlimited free energy?
Good point. But to my own knowledge, anyone that creates or discovers "FREE" energy is either paid off or bumped off. The new "gods" simply won't allow it, D.
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@zedvictor4
Nope, it probably did say that in the bible.It's just a matter of finding an appropriate bit and reinterpreting it.
All things came from god, don't ya know, Vic lad? So I am sure that there will be someone come along shortly to reinterpret that "bit" of the bible that "clearly" explains it for you.
Something like this perhaps?:
Hebrews 11: 3By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.
Or this?:
Romans 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Enjoy your Sunday dinner . Vic, lad.
😊
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@IlDiavolo
Many stories of the bible are nonsense, but if you put them in a context of an alien genetic project, all makes sense.
With the ancient alien "god" theory in mind, I have always said that if we were to superimpose many todays sciences over many of the bible stories and miracles some would certainly make sense.
Just pick a story:1. Adam and Eve: the creation of a new human race by genetic engineering.
Genesis 2:20-23
"So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[c] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man".
So, a man is anesthetized. An incision is created. Something is removed from the man. The man is stitched up and a new creation is created from that which was removed from the man to create a woman.
Sounds like genetic engineering?
2. Noah's arc: Scientists confirmed there was a big deluge long time ago and it was very unlikely the existence of survivors, let alone rescuing all the animals and plants we have now with a simple wood ship. So, the most sensical explanation for life continuation in earth is that the Arc was actually a very big alien mothership that rescued the people they wanted to rescue. This story is likewise in other ancient civilizations.
If the bible account is to be taken literally this could be referring to a seed bank of sorts? Other wise the story is a impossibility and didn't happen.
3. Moses' promised land: This is very interesting because the old testament portrays a warrior God that slaughters the enemy so it's the most controversial story of the bible because of the cruelty of a supposed loving God.But if we assume it was a genetic project we can understand that these aliens just wanted this specific Moses' clan to survive and breed. It explains the ethnic cleansing they commited and the health measures "God" ordered them to follow up.
Well the bible makes it clear that the god of the bible OT is only concerned with the welfare and prosperity of one single bloodline; that of Abraham. And Jesus supports this: Matthew 15:24 So he answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
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@YouFound_Lxam
So simply converting to Christianity & undergoing the baptism ritual for instance, wouldn't alone make me a Christian in the "true faith" according to your definition, then?Depends on what you mean by converting to Christianity.
I think it depends on what the church means by converting. Which is more your territory that mine.
So, do you have an answer for me?
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@IlDiavolo
@RoderickSpode
RoderickSpode wrote: I don't know what you consider nonsense in the bible,
Let's see.
Walking on water.
Dead men coming back to life.
Sticks turning into snakes.
Talking donkey.
Immaculate conception.
Feeding 5000 with only 5 loaves and 2 fish.
Etc Etc Etc
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@Best.Korea
By the time she turns 20, that old man will likely die, as life expectancy isnt really high there.
And I am sure he will try to make the most of what he has left, BK.
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@FLRW
In Stephen Hawking's final book, he says:“We are each free to believe what we want, and it's my view that the simplest explanation is that there is no God. No one created the universe and no one directs our fate.”He then goes on to write: “This leads me to a profound realization – there is probably no heaven and afterlife either. I think belief in an afterlife is just wishful thinking. There is no reliable evidence for it, and it flies in the face of everything we know in science.”
And a part of human weakness that has been exploited by Pastors and Priests for millennia.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Hey Henny.You've seen me WARN the chistians of this ummm, ease of becoming one of em hey. ?You've also seen me become a Christian a few times hey ?Mid post .I've gotten real fucking good at it.
Yes Deb. Its that simple. And its not the first time asylum a seeking Muslims has decided it is a good idea to "convert" to Christianity from Islam and has gone on to commit murder or rape or an acid attack. WE had about 3 in England in the first few weeks of this year and we are only half through February.
The lack of wisdom among these church cretins is astounding.
I have to wonder why none of them seemed to have followed the example of their hero King Solomon and asked god for wisdom and the powers to detect a fake?
Jesus endowed all his disciples with super powers to do miracles and they didn't even have to ask, Deb!
NO DEB! Jesus just to said to them;
"here you are men, I give you authority, off you go do some miracles and just mention my name , OH and watch out for them fake Christians, cast them out they are Muslims really".
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Abdul Ezedi, the Clapham chemical [acid] attack suspect, was granted asylum after claiming to have converted to Christianity, despite having two convictions in the UK for sex assault and exposure.
Friends of Ezedi, an illegal migrant, told The Telegraph that he was a “good Muslim” who bought half a halal sheep every fortnight, despite his apparent conversion.
Friends of Ezedi, an illegal migrant, told The Telegraph that he was a “good Muslim” who bought half a halal sheep every fortnight, despite his apparent conversion.
Asked about the role of the Church of England in conversions of asylum seekers, the Rt Revd Francis-Dehqani, an Iranian-born Anglican, said: “We take seriously our responsibilities, but we also know that as Christians, our primary responsibility is one of welcome and hospitality and support and teaching, but we need to do that in a way that is that is wise and, and is aware that occasionally there are people who might try and scam us.”
Abdul Ezedi, the Clapham chemical [acid] attack suspect. Acid attack of woman and two babies. Maybe it the Islamic form of baptism.
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"scammed"? You have got to be kidding me!
"We may have been scammed by asylum seekers, admits Church of England"
"judges have raised concerns that some “unquestioning” church leaders were being “duped” by insincere asylum seekers converting to Christianity to avoid deportation".
YA DON'T SAY, JUDGE!?
"Judicial decisions highlighted examples of clergymen and lay leaders failing to query the motives of purported converts whose asylum applications they had agreed to support".
NEVER!!!! YA DON'T SAY, JUDGE!?
Demands for clampdown as 40 Bibby Stockholm asylum seekers 'converting to Christianity'
"Tory MP Tim Loughton, who is a member of the home affairs committee, raised concerns that Christian conversion had become a scam".
REALLY!! TIM!! REALLY!!?
These fkn Pastors and Priests. So devout, so sincere, so full of shite.
Where was "gods wisdom" in these dunces?
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@Mall
We're slaves now. That Master is the dollar bill.
Nearly right. The Master is the one with the most dollar bills.
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