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@Mall
We're slaves now. That Master is the dollar bill.
Nearly right. The Master is the one with the most dollar bills.
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@IlDiavolo
Indeed. But I don't think Jesus was talking love for anyone else but gods "chosen and treasured people".You've been talking about Jesus in your theory. Who is Jesus for you, Stephen?
Jesus was a man that believed or was led to believe it was his time to rule being of the line of "blue bloods"/ kings that you mention and which Christians have wrapped in a myth.
What does he have to do with the "Gods"?
Well the "gods" handed down kingship to mankind. In the case of the biblical god Yahweh that bloodline was Abram who became Abraham from Mesopotamia, making him part "divine " i.e. in the divine service of god, as in "by the power vested in me" kings and queens rule by divine right. The bible refers to Abraham as being Royal as it does Jacob.
I'm really curious about it because christians take him as God, meaning the only creator of everything that exists, which to me is absurd.
Well Christians are entitled to their beliefs , they just don't like being challenged on them because they always seem to fail to defend them.
Well is it coincidence that many of the Israeli news broadcasts are heading with the title "End of days". There are more countries being dragged into this particular the Near and Middle east are on the brink of a major catastrophe and no one seems to want to stop it quite the opposite, the new gods are almost demanding that it gets bigger.I'd be glad to read more about these new gods. I heard there are several alien races looking over us, but I am not sure what you refer to. I mean if you're talking about aliens, of course.
Well to whom does a corporation belong? And why do they seem to posses all the important knowledge? I asked you some time ago what is being traded for this knowledge? You see, us the little man are only fed information /knowledge on a need to know basis. The story of the tree of knowledge concerns one god wanting to keep us in ignorance while another didn't. Why? because knowledge is power. It seems our "loving god" wished to keep us powerless. And it might be worth you also reading the story of Solomon the Wise.
is it evolution if the new "gods" are causing it, D?Well, it would be a forced evolution. They are turning an evolution that takes millions of year in just some thousands of years.
Like I have suggested above at [A] here> #9. "The gods" have already "forced" a giant leap in the evolutionary chain sequence when they mixed the essences of two species: theirs and an early Earthly humanoid.
Your theory is that these beings want to enslave us if I remember correctly.
Right from day one. I keep saying it, there was no one to "till the land". We were created and still are a slave race of beings.
I mean, we are kind of slaves already because we are an experiment, but from what I know, these ETs are stuck in their evolutionary process so they are experimenting with us in order to fix their problem.
when we become surplus to requirements I am sure they will find a way.
Remember this>>>> Genesis 6:3 tells us that god said “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
It appears then that "god" was getting a bit pissed off with mankind again and we had become surplus to requirements..
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@IlDiavolo
I am not sure what you are asking me there D.I was asking if the theory of the cabal, which is a secret group of rich people that control the world, relates to your theory.
I see. Well as I have already mentioned, the corporations have all the knowledge hence they are the new gods of the new age.
Well, if the ancient alien god theory is correct then we are the hybrids. The Sumerians tell us how we were created using own "essence" of the gods mixed or fused with that of a hominid that already existed on earth.Well, we are hybrids to a certain extent, considering that the adamic race has some alien genetics. What I mean to say is that according to some testimonies, these ETs have being producing purer-blood hybrids so that they can help humanity to build the new system, which means they are smarter and more skillful than the average human. In any case, these ETs will be helping at the beginning as well as they did for the Sumerian civilization, then they will leave the power to these hybrids. After that, humanity will get corrupted as usual, the elite will make up stories about "Gods" and "angels" so to control the gullible people, and... it's a cyclic process.
Well that is the proven cycle.
I want to discuss here too about the origins of humanity because your theory differs from mine. You claim humanity already existed before these ETs came over, which is true, there was already a human civilization.
[A] No. what I have said is that there was HUMANOID already in existence, That is to say creatures similar to the hominid species that, by the "gods" genetic interference leaped the evolutionary process or fast forwarded human evolution. And this may well explain Darwin's Anthropological dilemma of the "missing link".
Well, if the Sumerian accounts are correct then we can safely say that this is not an impossibility. After all, didn't the original Earthly humanoid already have an upgrade?And keep in mind that it appears that they, "the gods", interfered yet again with our genetic make up. After the alleged many years of man living for hundreds of years(Methuselah 969 years) Genesis 6:3 tells us that god said “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”It appears then that "god" was getting a bit pissed off at mankind again.I guess you're getting your theory from Sitchin.
I developed my theory through reading what the Sumerians and the bible have to say. Sitchin and others have simply, in part, confirmed my own theory.
In my case I am consolidating my version from several testimonies of contactees, always considering the ancient scriptures, and all of them point to the existence of a guided evolution of the human species in the earth.
See [A] above. They not only guided ( for many ages) they appear to have genetically created it.
Parravicini, for instance, wrote that "the Darwin theory will cease to be because it will be known that the man came down from the planets". We are a fucking experiment, Stephen.
As I have said many times. Darwin's theory works pretty well but only up to a point. Hence the missing link that even he couldn't explain. But then Darwin didn't have access to the Sumerian cuneiform libraries as we do today.
We're prisoners of this alien project, we're lab rats so to speak. the next stage, then they wipe them out rescueing what they consider is rescuable (remember the deluge story) so to start it over.
Well if that is the case. They left us to get on with it while only imparting to commoners with enough knowledge to survive but to the chosen elites- Kings and High Priests they imparted the so called " sacred knowledge and the mysteries of the heavens". As the Sumerians tell us, "after the great calamity, the gods left like migrating birds". It may be noteworthy here to read what Jesus had to say to the false Priests and Pharisee;
Matthew 16:1-3
The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Jesus and tested him by asking him to show them a sign from heaven.
He replied, “When evening comes, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,’ and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times" . <<< it appears that Jesus knew perfectly well what "the signs of the times" were and those false priests didn't.
We know Jesus was well educated in such matters because as mentioned above at Luke 21:25-27, Matthew 24:3-6
]The book of Revelations HERE>>#7
No wonder the differences between the "God" of the OT and the NT, as you said. The former educates the humans with blood and death (an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth), the last educates with love. If you think about it it makes sense.
Indeed. But I don't think Jesus was talking love for anyone else but gods "chosen and treasured people".
The primitive humans were literally animals so you have to treat them like animals.
Exactly we were just another animal created to do the toil of the gods that had refused to do it any longer. I suppose we could call it the first industrial strike action ever recorded.
In the case of the current civilization, according to several contactees, the transition will be smooth but there will be billions of deaths anyway, though the humanity won't be wiped out this time, which is good because it means we reached a fair level of evolution.
Well is it coincidence that many of the Israeli news broadcasts are heading with the title "End of days". There are more countries being dragged into this particular the Near and Middle east are on the brink of a major catastrophe and no one seems to want to stop it quite the opposite, the new gods are almost demanding that it gets bigger.
It all comes down to evolution, Stephen.
Fair comment. But is it evolution if the new "gods" are causing it, D?
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@IlDiavolo
Everything suggests that the system as we know it will collapse anytime soon, and so will the elites.
Well looking back to the ancients including parts of the bible I believe that this will become a established fact. When the cross over from one house to the new incoming house into a new age, chaos reins supreme. Societies collapse the very Earth we stand on is affected by frequent natural disasters. As documented by the ancients before Jesus time and predicted by in the gospel's themselves.
Signs of the End of the Age
Luke 21:25-27 “And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken".
Matthew 24:3-6
"As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” 4 And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumours of wars.
See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are but the beginning of the birth pains".
The book of Revelations adds more detail to the above predictions. It might be asked , how was Jesus of the gospels able to make these predictions? Well that may well be down to the fact that he really was a "blue blood" and had been fully trained in and equipped with, the knowledge as told by the ancients. Where did he accumulate this knowledge , where was he educated? My guess would be Egypt. We have to consider that after his birth but for the one single occasion Jesus disappears for some thirty + years.
This is obviously possible with the help of these "angels", I think it's the best term for these beings. From what I see, people that are after it call it "the secret cabal". Do you resonate with it, Stephen? Or is your theory different?
I am not sure what you are asking me there D.
As to the new elites that are going to rule this world in the new age, I know little about it.
Well I might have explained, the new age (Aquarius) is upon us and the new gods are the corporations and governments are the new priest. And the media is their pulpit.
The only thing I know is that they will be hybrids, and these "angels" will live with the new humanity for a time before they leave the world alone with these new rulers.
Well, if the ancient alien god theory is correct then we are the hybrids. The Sumerians tell us how we were created using own "essence" of the gods mixed or fused with that of a hominid that already existed on earth.
This is not new, there have already been hybrids ruling this world, the so-called "blue blood".
Blue blood is a designation to noble birth. And goes back to when kingship was handed down to man by the "gods".
According to my sources, the humanity will have a DNA upgrade, that's why I say there will be a new humanity.
Well, if the Sumerian accounts are correct then we can safely say that this is not an impossibility. After all, didn't the original Earthly humanoid already have an upgrade?
And keep in mind that it appears that they, "the gods", interfered yet again with our genetic make up. After the alleged many years of man living for hundreds of years
(Methuselah 969 years) Genesis 6:3 tells us that god said “My Spirit will not contend with humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
It appears then that "god" was getting a bit pissed off at mankind again.
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@IlDiavolo
If it works for your personal growth, great, but I'm really fed up with this religious people that believes everything is a test.
Yep. They will grasp at any straw to justify the actions contrary to their belief in a "loving god".
I have said it many times, this is what comes of Christians adopting a god from a time they could never understand, a culture and society they could never understand and a belief system they don't understand.
I mentioned on your thread D, that these "gods" took it in turns to be overall leader i.e. "god of gods" >>> #35 Christians it seems, have no idea they may have been worshiping the wrong "god" for the last 2000+ years. Yet the bible clearly shows that the god of the OT is of a completely different nature to that of the NT.
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@RoderickSpode
We don't really know what goes on in the mind of a predator (animal)
What causes you to say that?
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@WyIted
#9 So now it went from Trump directing and planning an insurrection to now he merely is guilty of not putting on a police uniform and going down there to stop the riot.
10/10
#6 There is no excuse for this misinformation. Anyone can watch trumps speech where he calls for peaceful protest. If you stopped just blindly listening to what CNN told you trump said and instead just listen for yourself you would see he said to go peacefully. Not only did he say to stay peaceful in his speech he tweeted it out to his supporters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BlXZNL2RoA
10/10
I want a Donald here in the U.K. What we have at the moment is dead duck.
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@Best.Korea
You only become Christian if you have fear of hell.
And god.
Psalms 33:8 Let all the earth fear the Lord; let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him!
Luke: 1-50 And his mercy is for those who fear him from generation to generation.
The pointless and cruel test of Abraham was to see if Abraham feared the Lord.
Genesis 22:12 “Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”
And there was me being told to believe that god knew our every thought.
Omnipotence eh. Just can't believe everything we're told, can we?
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CNN witnesses 9-year-old being sold for marriage to 55-year-old man
Of course CNN put their own bullshit spin on it suggesting this was out of "desperation" as if it wasn't usual the practice for Muslims of Islamic countries to sell their female children but were being "forced" to do this. I wonder then did CNN find any male children that were sold out of "desperation"?
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@Mr.BrotherDThomas
Addressing your revealing post #67, as we have been accustomed too over the years with Miss Tradesecret's blatant BIBLE STUPIDITY, it will never stop, and we can only be amazed that the membership continues to engage her Bible Duncery®️ all the time as if they were getting the truth of Jesus inspired words, NOT!!
Well to be perfectly honest Brother D. if I were the Reverend Tradesecret with the knowledge that s/ he alleges to possess- ie his miraculous capability to be able to "memories the bible from a very early age" and in multiple ancient languages -including ancient Greek and Hebrew and to be able to translate said languages into English, I would be totally embarrassed as to have made those comments concerning the trinity.
I mentioned above that the early church had adopted the idea of the trinity from Platonic and Greek philosophy. It (the trinity) is neither biblical nor Christian.#66
The Reverend Tradesecret must have forgotten that the two kingdoms Judea and Jerusalem/Israel were conquered and ruled by the Greeks for over 500 years and in that time the people of both these kingdoms had become extremally influenced by Greek culture, society, language and GREEK RELIGION and its god/s, I.E. the Israelites had become "lost sheep" <<<< This is a stone cold fact!
And what else that bible cretin Tradesecret with his amazing power to memorize all things biblical, s/he should know that it was these very "lost sheep"/JEWS, that Jesus had come to reunite and turn back to the roots of their original religion and their true god Yahweh.
Tell me Brother D. , what Christian in their right mind and with the highly educated background in all things religious and biblical and with the full knowledge of both Hebrew and Greek languages and their respective religions such as the Reverend Tradesecret alleges to have, would not understand that Jesus in his own words was rejecting everything Greek (and Roman) and trying to tie back these "lost sheep" to their core beliefs? And that the trinity would have been completely alien to Jesus... the JEW.
Simply put; the idea of the trinity is not a Hebrew belief and neither is it a Jewish belief.
Those poor students are being robbed blind, Brother D
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@Mr.BrotherDThomas
Indeed. Ever the clown is Tradesecret, Brother D.
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@DavidAZZ
@Mr.BrotherDThomas
Tradesecret wrote @ DavidAZZThe Trinity is eternal.#57
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For someone that brags that he studies and translates ancient languages -including ancient Greek- into English, the Reverend Tradesecret seems to have forgotten that the early church had adopted the idea of the trinity from Platonic and Greek philosophy. It (the trinity) is neither biblical nor Christian.
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@Mall
Viciously harming ,beating and abusing their / his children.
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@Mall
Baptism..
The subject of baptism deserves a thread of its own.
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@Mr.BrotherDThomas
Mr.BrotherDThomas wrote @Mall: Why do you waste your time with Miss Tradesecret Bible STUPIDITY is beyond reason!?
Best let Mall find out for himself, Brother D.
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@YouFound_Lxam
How do you define "true faith"?Faith that goes beyond a simple statement.Faith that you apply to your life.Faith that produces works.Faith that produces good fruit.Like the fruits of the spirit:LoveJoyPeacePatienceKindnessGoodnessFaithfulnessGentlenessSelf-ControlFaith that creates a relationship with you and God.An intimate spiritual relationship.
So simply converting to Christianity & undergoing the baptism ritual for instance, wouldn't alone make me a Christian in the "true faith" according to your definition, then?
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@Best.Korea
Well its a recorded fact that Pakistan has been committing genocide against Bengalis for some decades.
Maybe they ran out of Bengalis to slaughter, BK
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A report in The News International said, "From January 2017 to April 2018, Edhi foundation and Chhipa Welfare organisation have found 345 such new born babies dumped in garbage in Karachi only and 99 percent of them were girls."
"A few people found a baby at the doorstep of a mosque in Karachi and they handed the baby over to the prayer leader. The cleric decried that this is an 'illegitimate baby' and he should be stoned. Resultantly, the baby was stoned to death,"
Family planning or barbarism?
Life is just cheap to some so called "civilisations".
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@Mr.BrotherDThomas
Stephen wrote:"I wonder what his reply is to Jesus calling out to himself on the cross, "why have you forsaken me dad, me, all three of us"?"Mr.BrotherDThomas wrote: YES, any TRUE Christian should understand your statement above with ease! Mall, on the other hand, seemingly is reading too much "hearsay" that he has ungodly learned into the Trinity Doctrine, where the simple approach as I have shown in my post #48 is to be followed! DUH!
Well as shown above, Brother D. I offered a "one word" answer as Mall had requested HERE> #40. I could have used the word - dimensions.
Did you notice I had no reply to this simply question that I then posed to Mall?
[ 1] The bible says Jesus prayed to the " Father".
[ 2]You (MALL) say the "father" is god;
[ 3]Christians believe Jesus to be god.
[A] Either Jesus is praying to god. [in the garden of Gethsemane]
OR
[B] Jesus was praying to himself. [in the garden of Gethsemane]
Which is it?
And as I raised the above a question it raised another along the same lines.
Who was Jesus addressing when he is said to have cried out on the cross keeping in mind 1,2 &3 the above?
"My god why have you forsaken me"? MATTHEW 27:46
Was Jesus crying out to himself?
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@Mr.BrotherDThomas
Mr.BrotherDThomas wrote @Mall:THE TRINITY DOCTRINE OF JESUS THE CHRIST IN A SIMPLE FORM OF UNDERSTANDING:When Jesus was praying to Himself, a TRUE Christian like myself accepts that the Trinity Doctrine of Jesus is that He is the Father as God, the Son as God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Barring that these three divine persons are distinct from one another: the Father is not the Son, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, and the Son is not the Holy Spirit. However, there is exactly one God (1 Timothy 2:5). Therefore, very simply put, Christ is His own Father and His own Son. The Holy Ghost is neither Father nor Son, but both in spirit. The Son was begotten by the Father, but existed before He was begotten. Christ is just as old as his Father, and the Father is just as young as his Son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but He is of the same age as the Father and Son! To further the Godly Triune premise, the Father is Almighty, the Son is Almighty, and the Holy Ghost is Almighty, but yet there are not three Almighty's but one Almighty. Barring that it is plainly seen that we have three Almighty's, and at the same time, one Almighty! The Triune creed further informs us that the three persons in the Trinity are co-eternal together and coequal. The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal, and the Holy Ghost is eternal, and yet there are not three eternally, but one eternal. The plain English is, that the three persons in the Trinity are three eternally, and individually considered, and yet they are not three eternally, but one eternal!
Eye watering, Brother D.
What the hell is Mall's problem in understanding the Trinity Doctrine as I have personally shown in my post #48 above?! He is embarrassing himself in front of the membership for asking a "plethora" of questions over and over and over and over AGAIN when all he has to do is read my godly definition of the Trinity!
I don't know Brother.
I wonder what his reply is to Jesus calling out to himself on the cross, "why have you forsaken me dad, me, all three of us"?
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@Mall
The bible says Jesus prayed to the " Father".You say the "father" is god;Christians believe Jesus to be god.[A] Either Jesus is praying to god.OR[B] Jesus was praying to himself.Which is it?Either way, he didn't get an answer nor did he get " relieved of his burden" in his terrifying hour of need, did he? Some serious loss of faith from the son of god messiah and saviour, if you ask me. So much for the "mustard seed" size faith.Just my opinion of course.I already gave you scripture that gives you the answers.
Nope.
You gave me none answers and based them on ambiguous biblical verses contradictory to Christian belief of the trinity. Still, have it you way.
Off you go now.
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@Mall
No you said "entities?"Was that a guess or do you know?
See below. A question was posed.
So again. A question was posed.
I suggested a answer with the one word reply as requested #40
So how about you stop running in circles and reply to what I have written?
The bible says Jesus prayed to the " Father".
You say the "father" is god;
Christians believe Jesus to be god.
[A] Either Jesus is praying to god.
OR
[B] Jesus was praying to himself.
Which is it?
Either way, he didn't get an answer nor did he get " relieved of his burden" in his terrifying hour of need, did he? Some serious loss of faith from the son of god messiah and saviour, if you ask me. So much for the "mustard seed" size faith.
Just my opinion of course.
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@Mall
Yes the son prayed to the father.[A] What was your point on mentioning that?And who was "the father" that Jesus was praying to?I'll answer with Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear O Israel , The LORD our God, the LORD is oneSo are you then telling me that "the father" is god? Yes or No ?I could tell you that but I 'll let 1 Corinthians 8:6 tell you, there is but ONE GOD the father.So your answer is then - God.And Christians are of the belief that Jesus is god. Hence Jesus was praying in the garden to himself. That was my point on mentioning that. See your question at [A] above.Was the son praying to himself or the Father?
Well what does your bible say? Lets look.
"After walking a little farther, he quickly bowed with his face to the ground and prayed, “Father, if it’s possible, let this cup ⌞of suffering⌟ be taken away from me. But let your will be done rather than mine!.Matthew 26:39
So above the bible clearly states that Jesus was paring to the father. You tell us that God is the Father. While the Christian belief is that Jesus is god, hence Jesus was praying to himself. If Jesus is not god then this would certainly contradict the Christian belief, wouldn't it?
It appears you're guessing. If you don't know what the three are, just say that.
Wat is it that you believe I am guessing? Either Jesus is praying to god , or he isn't.
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@Mall
Yes the son prayed to the father.[A] What was your point on mentioning that?And who was "the father" that Jesus was praying to?I'll answer with Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear O Israel , The LORD our God, the LORD is oneSo are you then telling me that "the father" is god? Yes or No ?I could tell you that but I 'll let 1 Corinthians 8:6 tell you, there is but ONE GOD the father.
So your answer is then - God.
And Christians are of the belief that Jesus is god. Hence Jesus was praying in the garden to himself. That was my point on mentioning that. See your question at [A] above.
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@Mall
Mall, wrote @ Brother D. Thomas: So I'll ask this time. Three individual what? [................................]Just answer that with one word. Very simple
Entities?
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Tradesecret wrote: “The Trinity - as in the Word Trinity - is not mentioned in the Bible. So what?”Mr.BrotherD.Thomas wrote: Okay, so what if the word "Trinity" is not mentioned within the Bible, where in fact the "concept of the Trinity Doctrine" is mentioned within the Bible as implied in Matthew’s Jesus inspired passage herewith: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” (Matthew 28:19) [...........................]Barring the word “Trinity,” the Trinity Doctrine is mentioned specifically within the scriptures .
Indeed Brother D. There are many verses that indicate this to be so , but I am far too bone idle to highlight them all for the bible dunce the Reverend Tradesecret.
Tradesecret wrote: “The Trinity was around before the Roman Catholic Churches.”Mr.BrotherD.Thomas wrote: WRONG AS USUAL! LOL! Roman Catholicism traces its history to Jesus during the period of Roman occupation in the early 30’s CE! This was a period of years after Jesus' life and death in 34 CE when His followers spread out across the world to form a “universal church" with the bishop of Rome holding primacy (Catholicism).”Therefore, the Trinity Doctrine of Christianity ONLY came about at the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, approximately 300 years subsequent to Catholic Churches came into being where Miss Tradesecret LIED in saying in her quote above that the Triune Doctrine was around before the Roman Catholic Churches! NOT! LOL!
Correct again Brother D.
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@YouFound_Lxam
You must: [.................................................................]Have true Faith in Christ, in order to live the life, you were called to live according to his purpose.
How do you define "true faith"?
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@DavidAZZ
I am not in any circumstance and neither is anybody on this website that we can tell God that he is unjust because we were given no chance to serve him,
Well then you have simply ignored the examples of unjustness and unfairness as set out above by Benjamin and others on this thread. I myself have raised the same examples on this forum many times in threads that I have created in the past.
so for us to complain that God is unjust when we are not even in the predicament of an aboriginal man or an infant or anything else that we can't identify with, is foolish.
But we are human. And we can relate "to unfairness and unjustness". One doesn't need to know the individual to understand that god- according to the bible - will punish " in flaming fire taking vengeance He [god] will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus".
How do you know God doesn't work a way for an infant in death just like an aboriginal man in his isolated state of ignorance?
What evidence do you possess that proves that god makes exceptions when the BIBLICAL evidence proves god to have no time for those -including infants- that do not accept Him as there lord/God?
"Smashing the heads of infants against the rocks" leaps to mind as does the murder "every single first born of Egypt" and not to leave alive " anything that breathes" in another instance. So we see that god isn't fussy at all when it comes to slaughter of those that are ignorant of Him.
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@DavidAZZ
I can't give my opinion about extra biblical questions and have you jump down my throat.
You do understand don't you that the questions being posed on that particular thread are bringing into question the thoughts and nature of god. The same god that you believe in , worship and support?
While I claim a few times within those posts that I don't know and this is speculation, yet you still think I try to pose myself as some sort of know it all.
Not a " know it all" but rather pose yourself knowledgably on the thoughts and nature of god, Reverend. See A below
Okay Stephen, what does happen to babies when they die?
A. You have stated this; " But God can do anything "as for a child who does not have the ability to choose or reject God, I would assume that would put them in a position that they could then choose to reject or accept him". #21 <<<<You should read what you wrote very carefully there, Reverend.
With that said, what knowledge causes you to even "assume" that ^ above, Reverend? And, doesn't the bible say what happens to all humans (including babies) when they die?
This is what I have read, maybe you can interpret it for me without rewriting the actual biblical passage?
In flaming fire taking vengeance He [god] will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
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@DavidAZZ
As for questions unanswered, I do not know everything about God or the Bible
I know you don't. I'd go as far as to say you know absolutely nothing about either.
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@Mall
Yes the son prayed to the father.What was your point on mentioning that?And who was "the father" that Jesus was praying to?I'll answer with Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear O Israel , The LORD our God, the LORD is one
So are you then telling me that "the father" is god? Yes or No ?
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@Mall
Yes the son prayed to the father.What was your point on mentioning that?
And who was "the father" that Jesus was praying to?
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@FLRW
Doesn't the Trinity collapse when Jesus on the cross says, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
And in the Garden when Jesus prays to ..... himself !?
Matthew 26:36-46
36 Then Jesus went with the disciples to a place called Gethsemane. He said to them, “Stay here while I go over there and pray.”
37 He took Peter and Zebedee’s two sons with him. He was beginning to feel deep anguish. 38 Then he said to them, “My anguish is so great that I feel as if I’m dying. Wait here, and stay awake with me.”
39 After walking a little farther, he quickly bowed with his face to the ground and prayed, “Father, if it’s possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. But let your will be done rather than mine.”.......
42 Then he went away a second time and prayed, “Father, if this cup cannot be taken away unless I drink it, let your will be done.”
44 After leaving them again, he went away and prayed the same prayer a third time.
Luke. And being in agony, He prayed more earnestly. Then His sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
Yes, he was so terrified of dying that he sweated blood and his prayer - to himself - went unanswered. Not a word of comfort from himself... to himself.
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@Benjamin
Tradesecret wrote @ Benjamin:God is present everywhere at all times. He is Spirit. He also knows all things.#41
Let us see. to highlight a few;
But the LORD God called to the man, “Where are you?”
God asked Adam “Who told you that you were naked?”
And the LORD asked Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Can I really bear a child when I am old?
And god asked him, why do you complain, Jacob?
It appears that God had a lot learn and know about his creation and was learning on the hoof, but this has to be a blinder;
God aka Jesus on the cross calls out to himself, Why have you forsaken me?
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@DavidAZZ
So are you going to start a another thread telling us how great, good, just, caring and loving god is?I already told you that I just wanted to see your views and others because I have never been told that God was "bad" ........
I know. And you created a thread - just for me - to find out my views. You got my views and the views of others.
HERE >>>>https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/9125-is-the-god-of-the-bible-good-or-wicked then you disappeared when the going got tough.
........and [I] had always been shown as good and just and such.
Ok. So can you show me "the good and just and such", about the biblical god ?
Yes, well, I call bullshite on that.On what? That you remind me of my brother or that I wasn't trying to prove anything?
Stop it!. 😂 You spent 95% of that thread arguing points of god and attempting to prove them to @ludofl3x, who effortlessly ran rings around you, and so you deserted it leaving many questions to go unanswered or addressed on posts to you from ludofl3x,. Here >> #186 & HERE> #187. It must have been killing you to remain somewhat constrained and polite, Reverend.😂
Off you go now.
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@DavidAZZ
So are you going to start a another thread telling us how great, good, just, caring and loving god is?I already told you that I just wanted to see your views and others because I have never been told that God was "bad" and [I] had always been shown as good and just and such.
Ok. So can you show me "the good and just and such", about the biblical god ?
I've had atheists tell me that God doesn't exist but never that the God of the Bible was bad or corrupt.
That is because you haven't read the scriptures for yourself, you have even admitted that you only "know what you have been told" and simply passed it on. The Reverend Tradesecret has admitted the same. But he was stupid enough to deny he ever said that.... but I have the receipts. Funny how you both say the same things.
It was an interesting thread to say the least, but I didn't try to "prove" anything. The thread was only so you could spout your views and I had a few questions regarding it. I said before, you remind me of my brother, so it is interesting to hear your views, whether they are correct or not.
Yes, well, I call bullshite on that.
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@DavidAZZ
So are you going to start a another thread telling us how great, good, just, caring and loving god is?
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@DavidAZZ
Ooh! He comes out swinging!I like your ways Stephen! I do admire your abilities to think critically and I have actually learned a lot from you.
Flattery will get you absolutely nowhere with me. But keep trying.
If it seems that I attack you it is only because you are a prick.
🤣🤣🤣
You never answered the Monica thing.
Its slang and sometimes spelt moniker. name, signature, user name .
Something else you've learned from me.
Off you go now.
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@RoderickSpode
The idea of aliens is big business.
As Is religion. Religious literature is the biggest selling of all time, followed by books for children.
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@DavidAZZ
Where, just like that dulcet dunce the Reverend Tradesecret, you appear to have failed too. You never did finish that conversation but simply deserted it. Would you like to take it up again now you are back and refreshed with your new double Z monica?Ah, the ever so angry Stephen who is mad at God for some reason and will never reveal it. Then goes on to state how the Bible is foolish but will believe silly fables like the alien theory of our origins. LOL!
Nope.
I think tradesecret doesn't really know what the Bible says either.
Yep, and neither do you.
Coming from the way you answer certain posts, I see that you are angry at God
Nope . But you should be. Considering the god that you so adore admits to being a jealous god of war among many other vile things. A god that only has the interest , wealth and prosperity of only one bloodline at heart and would murder and kill children at the drop of a hat..... for a bet.
A god that one minute condemns Satan to" crawl on his belly for the rest oh his days" for deceiving and corrupting mankind only for us to discover that he has been "walking to and fro about the earth" all the time! and torturing Job with gods blessing"! for a bet! And at later time we find him AGAIN testing "gods" son Jesus in the desert and offering Jesus all the kingdoms of the Earth <<<<< Do you see my point you absolute clown!
and want to destroy anything about him [god] in your mind.
I couldn't do that if I wanted to you clown. Your god is an ancient "god " that has had his time to rule. The God of the OT was never the same "god" as the "god" of Jesus' time. But you are an idiot whose mind cannot grasp this fact. Start reading the rules as put down by the Mesopotamian "gods"<<< That's where Abraham came from . In fact, try reading the fkn bible that also attest to this fact.
You don't believe in him and so you try to use any way to discount his existence.
Nope. I believe these ancient lords existed. The bible is definite on the matter. The ancient South Americans literature also attest to the same. As do the ancient cultures and literature of the East and Far East. I have no problem believing anything they say about these Lords. They all point skyward and tell us that they were ruled by them and what they were taught by them.
The difference is, is that regardless of what I believe to be evidence, I wouldn't never be dumb or stupid enough to claim to be able to prove what I only believe..... unlike yourself.
To each his own, I guess.
You said it. Reverend.
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@DavidAZZ
Tradesecret wrote @DavidAZZ:I think there are enough things in the Bible to indicate that God is good and holy. And just. #20
This claim has been made many times by the Reverend Tradesecret and many times he has failed to direct us , when asked to, to where in the bible god is shown to be "good and holy. And just".
IN FACT you had claimed the similar by posing the " goodness of god" as a question to me directly in this thread that you created under your other user name of DavidAZ: <<< one Z as opposed to your new double Z
Where, just like that dulcet dunce the Reverend Tradesecret, you appear to have failed too. You never did finish that conversation but simply deserted it. Would you like to take it up again now you are back and refreshed with your new double Z monica?
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@DavidAZZ
Tradesecret wrote @DavidAZZ:I think there are enough things in the Bible to indicate that God is good and holy. And just. #20
This claim has been made many times by the Reverend Tradesecret and many times he has failed to direct us , when asked to, to where in the bible god is shown to be "good and holy. And just".
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@TheUnderdog
Tradescret wrote: @TheUnderdogAs for God's plan, or his Will, I think those are two completely different things. It may well end up being that you commit suicide. If so, then that was God's plan for your life. But it certainly is not his will. His will is that you turn to Jesus and find redemption so that you can enjoy life in Christ. So your example about the holocaust is correct in that it was God's plan. But it still wasn't his will.
Convoluted BS that makes no sense at all? Let's see.
"they will be done". 🤔
If the the holocaust was gods plan, then he must have "willed" it to be so.
Psalm 33:11
The plans of the LORD stand firm forever, the purposes of His heart through all generations.
So "the plan" is unmoveable and stands firm.
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@DavidAZZ
I shall flag your problem for you concerning your two accounts. I hope it helps.
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@DavidAZZ
He is me. I lost access to that account and I'm trying to get it put together with this one.Then why is this one partially filled out https://www.debateart.com/members/DavidAZ and this one https://www.debateart.com/members/DavidAZZ isn't filled in at all?I wasn't planning on keeping this account, but made it to only get ahold of the moderators. Basically a throw away after I can get back into my original account.BUT, if i can't salvage my old account, then I'll have to keep this one and will fill in my personal info again.
maybe it would be best to contact moderator >>>> whiteflame
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
What bothers me is the fact that Jesus as God commanded that INNOCENT children and BABIES (Sucklings) that knew not of what their parents did to displease Jesus in the first place, where Jesus had to have them murdered! (1 Samuel 15:2-4) How can a "baby suckling" be guilty of their parents misdeeds towards Jesus where they have to be murdered by Jesus' command?Remember how loving Jesus was to children herewith: "But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 19:14)
But it doesn't appear to trouble pseudo Christians at all.
If I was "spoon-fed" my Bible on Sunday mornings ONLY by a church, then I wouldn't come across these disturbing passages about my Jesus murdering innocent children and BABIES when I read the Bible myself!
Very true Brother D. This is probably why when these vile verses spoken by their god Jesus are pointed out to them, they immediately cry "CONTEXT!" and begin to re write the scriptures. That bible dunce the Reverend Tradesecret is famous for it.
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@DavidAZZ
He is me. I lost access to that account and I'm trying to get it put together with this one.
Then why is this one partially filled out https://www.debateart.com/members/DavidAZ and this one https://www.debateart.com/members/DavidAZZ isn't filled in at all?
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He is me. I lost access to that account and I'm trying to get it put together with this one.
Get what put together?
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@Benjamin
@BrotherD.Thomas
Tradesecret wrote @Benjamin:God might be perfect but he is not a perfectionist.
What an absolute DICK!!
Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. Genesis.
It is God that girds me with strength, and he makes my way perfect. Psalms.
The LORD will perfect that which concerns me: your mercy, O LORD, endures for ever: forsake not the works of your own hands. Psalms.
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he. Deuteronomy.
"Congregation of 300! ", my arse!
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