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@DavidAZZ
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
As if my serial killer Jesus doesn't have enough brutal murders under his belt while upon earth, where in one of many instances; Jesus commanded to brutally murder innocent little children and babies herewith: "This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-4)Like I have said many times over, it is truly hard to be a TRUE CHRISTIAN in the 21st century when one reads ALL OF THE BIBLE'S inspired words from Jesus! :(
Indeed, Brother D. God certainly didn't "turn the other cheek" there when it came to the Amalekites, did he?
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@Benjamin
@YouFound_Lxam
YouFound_LxamJeremiah 29:11" For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."BenjaminThis is taken completely out of context. God is not here adressing all humans or even all Christians. This is cherry picking. Find a verse that actually adresses suicide. Also, if this was actually adressed to suicidal people, then it would be a freaking lie. The fact that they take their life is proof that they didn't prosper, but were in fact harmed - if not by God then by the world he created and refused to protect them from because of a vague idea of "free will" or some shit. He didn't even inform them of the ticket straight to hell that suicide suposedly gives you. Does that sound like a God that really cares about people commiting suicide?
I assume YouFound_Lxam has never heard of the mass suicide at Messada where 960 Jews self sacrificed their lives. Jesus after all, came to save only them.
Matthew 15:24 New International Version
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
I just hope that I will be dead before Jesus' 2nd coming under the above biblical FACTS, where I won't have to watch the likes of Miss Tradesecret, n8nrgim, etc., being brutally murdered as shown above because they are pseudo-christians, and not TRUE Christians like my self, praise!
Indeed, Brother D. Jesus as God is well known for mercilessly torturing and murdering his own, and the Reverend Tradesecret was hand picked and " chosen by god" himself.
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@zedvictor4
Let's say six chambers, one live round, one pull of the trigger.Would you take your chances for £1 million? 16.666666666666666666666666666666666.
No. Would you?
Good morning Sunday Steven. Church first, Pub after I suppose.
I usually only go to the pub twice a week, Vic. Tuesday & Friday. Where I have a beer with friends and where on the odd occasion the local Vicar will drop in, much to my amusement and entertainment. He's a nice bloke that can hold a conversation (bible/religion) without getting upset or insulting. He keeps inviting me up there - St Johns - but I am afraid that I will get the - "The Power of Christ Compels You!!" - treatment and that my head may do a 360 swivel .
Enjoy your Sunday dinner, both.
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@Best.Korea
Mores the question, who does Jesus think he is that he can forgive someone else that has raped and murdered someone's daughter?There is even worse.Person cant enter heaven until he forgives the rapist.Then must spend eternity in heaven with that rapist.I mean, forgiveness is nice and everything, but if we are supposed to forgive everyone for everything, thats just difficult.Some crimes are just hard to forgive.And the idea that you must forgive or burn in hell?Thats a bit crazy.
Its crazy because its all bullshit made up by Christians to get around the very questions they are asked about their bullshite.
They are always welcome to come along and defend their beliefs.
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@Best.Korea
I dont understand how someone who repents is just forgiven everything.
Mores the question, who does Jesus think he is that he can forgive someone else that has raped and murdered someone's daughter?
And how it only works before death, but not after death?
[A]
Ah, well that is where it is commanded that you "have to" have faith and believe in Jesus before you meet him.
Like, whats the difference in repenting 5 minutes before death and 5 minutes after death?
See [A] above, BK
Well, its a crazy idea that some sadistic murderer can just repent before death and go to heaven, while atheist who did nothing wrong except being an atheist goes to hell to burn.
Them's the rules, BK. All very fare and above board, don't you thinl?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I still cant fathom one "starting" Beliving in godHaving something to do withJoining a religious group.
One doesn't just start believing Deb.
Tradesecret wrote: Idid not choose my religion. God chose me #48
So You haven't been chosen , I take it Deb?
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@zedvictor4
A bit like shoving a gun up ones arse and playing Russian roulette.
Well if you are playing on your own...... you'd lose, I reckon Vic lad.
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@Mall
And you call me going in circles. You're just repeating your own self after what I said was really nothing to argue back with.
No. I gave my GOOD reasons for what I believe. You offered nothing to support "faith" You then repeated yourself by rephrasing your points and changing your original wording from "faith" by then throwing "hope" into the mix. Which caused me to explain the difference between "hope" and "faith" to. Here #61
And now you have caused me to repeat my questions and I would like you to answer these questions, if you can.
So while I have actaully witnessed and experienced all the above HERE>#65;
HAVE YOU seen god? HAVE YOU drank wine and ate bread with Jesus? DID YOU see Jesus actually walk on water? DID YOU witness the virgin birth? DID YOU witness Jesus die on the cross?
How DO YOU know what was said between Pontius Pilate and Jesus when there were only two people in the room? How DO YOU know what was said between the Devil and Jesus in the desert when there were only the two of them present?
If you cannot answer questions that should be simple for you, then simply go away because you have no argument nor do you have proof.
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@TheUnderdog
This is the difference between being sheep smart
I have yet to meet a smart sheep. But I have met many a extremely smart shepherd.
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@Mall
You say belief, I say faith. You take a position without evidence of it be true.
You are going around in circles.
I have explained the difference to you already: One can have good and logical reason to believe something and I gave you a example HERE> #53
You have since slid in the idea of "hope". I have also explained the difference to you HERE> #61 Hope is not faith. Faith is being fully confident without evidence or proof. Whilst hope is to believe that something is possible but not sure and is nothing more than expectation and optimism.
"But I have very good reason to believe I will."Sure just no evidence. We can feel confident with a good reason sure.
But I do have good evidence as explained to you HERE> #53 I KNOW the pub exists. I HAVE visited said pub. I HAVE spend money in said pub. I HAVE drank beer there. and I HAVE walked home with a wobble as a result of doing all three.<<< That is my evidence and aslo good reason for my belief.
So while I have actaully witnessed and experienced all the above; you do not have the slightest single piece of evidence that supports your faith? HAVE YOU seen god? HAVE YOU drank wine and ate bread with Jesus? DID YOU see Jesus actually walk on water? DID YOU witness the virgin birth. Well of course you haven't have you?
You call it what you will as I will.
No. I call it what it IS.
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@Benjamin
Pascals wager assumes that the OMNIBENEVOLENT GOD is going to torture atheists for all eternity, while givng theists an eternal paradise.
Pascal also seems to have forgotten that his god is omni everything and can tell our thoughts and would know we were faking it..
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@DavidAZZ
Are there some of his books you recommend for a beginner of his writings?
Well that would be his first issue on the subject wouldn't it , surely?
But a starter that I would recommend would be Genius Of The Few and perhaps The shining Ones: Christian and Barbara Joy O'Brien.
Still, lets not derail this thread concerning Pascal and his pointless Wager.
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@DavidAZZ
Have you read the books by Zecharia Sitchin? I'm curious to know what you think of his books.
I have.
His books are extremely interesting and fall in line with many of my own opinions, ideas, theories and thoughts built up over the years. I happen to be re-reading some of his early material at the moment: When Time Began & End Of Days.
But like anything, one either chooses to believe or doesn't.
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@FLRW
Well said. A point that Christians like to avoid.
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@Double_R
Don't forget the "which God?" problem; Even if there's is a god, praying to the wrong one will leave you no better than an atheist.
Do Christians themselves even consider that they may have been praying to the "wrong god" for over 2000 years? Considering that the bible clearly explains that the earth was divided between the gods with each to rule over his/her "portion" and where by they took it in turns to be ruler over the other gods at the end of the "age"?
I explained this in a little more depth here: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10145-neither-angels-nor-gods-but-an-alien-team-the-preface-to-an-awaited-fall-of-religions?page=2&post_number=35
Stephen wrote: The "gods" in their first attempt at controlling their creation had already divided the Earth into sections of twelve regions/houses where a "god" ruled over a region and one "god" became "god" of the gods. This too is alluded to in the Old Testament. You may well ask at this point, well who chose the "god of gods"? Simply answer is, they took it in turns. When the celestial clock/ Zodiac crossed over from one house to another this was the "signs in the sky" for the "god" of the incoming house to rule. You may well understand by now that this was the reason the people were divided into 12 tribes/ houses. And it was eventually at these crossing over points that the wars of "gods and men" began.
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@Mall
You have to have faith that you'll being going anywhere tomorrow. Why?
Nope. I have only a belief based on good reason. It requires no faith in the slightest.
You have absolutely no evidence that you'll even wake up tomorrow.
But I have very good reason to believe I will.. It requires no faith in the slightest.
Now people don't like the idea that somethings you're just going to have to believe in. Just the way it is. Nothing wrong with having hope when it keeps you going on the right path.
Again, it is easier for you to conflate the two in the belief that it offers logical reason for your faith.
Hope is not faith. Faith is being fully confident whilst hope is to believe that something is possible but not sure and is nothing more than expectation and optimism.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Unfortunately, I have a few neighbors that had to go to a psychiatrist for help because they read the above passages, and they fear Jesus as God so bad in being a serial killer of His creation, that it is hard for them to have any peace of mind because everyday they do not know if they did the right thing in the eyes of our God that is watching them! (Hebrews 4:13)Some of these Christians that I know, told their children as well to fear Jesus as God, and therefore they can't sleep at night in case they didn't follow ALL of Jesus' teachings where they may have sinned since these kids did not read the entire Bible to be sure they didn't step over the line! "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
But he loves us.🤔
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@Best.Korea
Pascal must have been of the belief that "god" couldn't tell when someone was faking it.I figured that if fear of punishment is the only reason for obedience, then its not really honest and loving serving to God."I only serve you so I dont get tortured by you" doesnt sound like a loving relationship at all.
Looking at it from the angle of obedience BK you be right.
But it appears that one had to FEAR god too.
When the angle of "god" stops Abraham sacrificing his son Issac he is told this:
Genesis 22: 12 “Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”
So we see that the whole story was a horrible test about obedience AND fear. <<<<THIS of course raises some serious questions does it not?
Such as : If, as the bible says on multiple occasions, that God knows our "EVERY" thought and our hearts, why ever was there any need for such a torturous, sadistic and cruel test?
Another would be; who exactly was conducting this test? was it god, or his representative angel?
Lets hope the Reverend Tradesecret can come along and explain that one for you...... but don't hold your breath, BK, he's far too dumb to even have thought about that questions.
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@Best.Korea
Pascal's wager
Pascal must have been of the belief that "god" couldn't tell when someone was faking it.
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@Mall
I don't believe any other type of belief exists. Meaning you believe in something because of evidence, no. You just know something exists based on it.So belief and faith based without evidence, that's goes without saying.
Yes, you would say that for the simple reason that it is easier for you to conflate the two in the belief that it offers logical reason for your faith.
One can have good reason to believe something . I believe I will be going to the pub tomorrow because I have been there on many occasion, I know it exists. And I know it sells beer because that is what I buy and have bought when I am there and I have wobbled home from drinking beer from the place on may occasion, and are all logical reasons for my belief. It takes no faith whatsoever.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Stephen,[A]Uh, do you think that YouFound_Lxam will be addressing our TRUTHFUL posts about Jesus as listed below?[B]or will he just RUN AWAY from them as usual?
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Lest we forget as well, Jesus became His own Father and a bastard child (manzar) through true Hebrew tradition because Joseph was NOT His paternal father! Furthermore subsequent to Jesus "celestially impregnating" His own Mother Mary through His Spirit as godly incest, He not only became Mary’s son, but like you said, His own Father as as well in being God.
And with Jesus being "born of woman" he too was riddled with sin.
Barring the fact that Joseph tried to hide the fact that his wife Mary was not pregnant by him, he silently wanted to divorce her. (Matthew 1:19) I have had to try and answer these truthful biblical axioms over the years in making others TRUE Christians as well, and when I do, the non-believers of my faith that I am talking to just walk away and shake their heads in laughter in myself being able to accept the foundation of Jesus in the beginning of Christianity! :(
Indeed, Brother D. Joseph wanted to put some distance between the "virgin" and himself. I wonder if he he was punished in anyway for "disbelieving" in the first instance?
It is truly hard to be a TRUE Christian in the 21st Century if ALL of the facts of my faith are brought forth.
And I, being an "hell bound atheist" can only offer you my deepest and sincere sympathies.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
n8nrgim @YouFound_Lxam: that's an excellent analogy.
"the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit" said Rabbi David Kimhi - " therefore, with reference to this god whom you call Father, Son and Holy Spirit, - that part which you call the Father must be prior to that which you call Son, for if they were always coexistent would have to be called twin brothers.
More over, if the Son is the Father what of Mary getting pregnant? Is this not an incestuous congregation? The Father has sex with the mother to conceive the Son who is also the Father.....so technically the Son, who is also the father, had sex with his mother"...
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@YouFound_Lxam
@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Mr.BrotherD.Thomas wrote @ YouFound_Lxam: However, there is exactly one God (1 Timothy 2:5), therefore Christ is His own Father and His own Son. The Holy Ghost is neither Father nor Son, but both in spirit. The Son was begotten by the Father, but existed before He was begotten. Christ is just as old as his Father, and the Father is just as young as his Son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but He is of the same age as the other two!
See! Not that difficult is it, YouFound_Lxam ? 😂
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@IlDiavolo
These contactees you mention. Can you give me any references to them, interviews /reports etc? D
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@Mall
They're not meant to prove God. According to biblical scripture, God in the son said himself blessed are those who believe and have not seen.
Indeed. But "those who believe" is not the same as asking them to prove the existence of the creator that they believe in. Hence their belief is simply faith based.
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@IlDiavolo
I hope IlDiavolo takes up his brilliant thread again once he has time to researched further.Well, there are lot of things to discuss, but most of this information comes from what the ETs communicated to the contactees. I don't know if I have to talk about it because it's really far fetched even to me that I'm really open minded. It's like this ETs are releasing all what they know just in this very moment of shift. Maybe it's a kind of preparation for humanity, or a way to trick us... Lol.
I have addressed your post above here on your other thread where I believe it has more relevance. Please take the time to read it, D
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@IlDiavolo
I hope IlDiavolo takes up his brilliant thread again once he has time to researched further.Well, there are lot of things to discuss, but most of this information comes from what the ETs communicated to the contactees. I don't know if I have to talk about it because it's really far fetched even to me that I'm really open minded. It's like this ETs are releasing all what they know just in this very moment of shift. Maybe it's a kind of preparation for humanity, or a way to trick us... Lol.
Well if we take that particular feature of your ET god theory, then the contactee aspect of the theory may not be as "far fetched" as you think in the sense that the bible , Old Testamant in particular features multiple contacts with humans.
It's like this ETs are releasing all what they know just in this very moment of shift.
It is, but look back and ask yourself, what were they trading for this knowledge ?
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@Best.Korea
There is more evidence for aliens that there ever is or will be for a "god" that is claimed to be Omnipresence refers who exists everywhere all at once. Omnipotence describes an all-powerful god, and omniscience referring to an all-knowing god.Well, I agree, and many will probably lose faith if aliens are detected.But some will find a way to explain how God created aliens, just forgot to mention it in the Bible.
Well, I understand your point entirely. But to do that they have a lot more of explaining to do and more questions to answer. Example; why does the god of their bible leave out this part of his creation when they cannot even prove the existence of the god that they worship.
Why does the bible not even mention "others" from another world? <<< This question, interestingly, may be already answered when we take the biblical stories of the "gods" descending and ascending on clouds of " smoke and fire"?..... as covered by this interesting thread created by IlDiavolo and discussed by he and myself.- see link.
I hope IlDiavolo takes up his brilliant thread again once he has time to researched further.
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@FLRW
Colorado pastor accused of pocketing $1.3M in crypto scheme says 'Lord told us to'A Colorado-based pastor for an online church accused of pocketing $1.3 million through a cryptocurrency fraud scheme told followers in a video statement that the Lord told him to do it.
And does the trusted Pastor explain why god wanted him to steal the money from his devout following and what the stolen money was to be used for?
As it appears that god rewarded the Pastor handsomely:
Pastor Eli Regalado and his wife Kaitlyn it says " spent the money was allegedly spent on a Range Rover, luxury handbags, jewellery, an au pair, boat rentals and snowmobile adventures."
Nice work if you can get it.
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@Best.Korea
Is absence of proof, proof of absence? Do religious people have an advantage in terms of proof?
No, they have no advantage at all..
There is more evidence for aliens that there ever is or will be for a "god" that is claimed to be Omnipresence refers who exists everywhere all at once. Omnipotence describes an all-powerful god, and omniscience referring to an all-knowing god.
The religious people are more than welcome to try and convince me otherwise.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
If kihayi doesn't continually RUN AWAY from my post #220, and your post #214,
Well at #214 I asked for clarity on one issue and sources for claims. I don't expect either to be forthcoming Brother D. Yet he claims to wish to discuss and debate? Thereby displaying all the traits of the Reverend.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Brother D. You know that your are simply going to receive the usual apologetics from kihayi.
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@Mall
Stephen wrote: And I am still waiting for the "transsexual community" to explain to me what "rights" they believe they are missing out on?Perhaps using the facilities of choice in spite of how they physically appear.
That makes them fkn perverts in my opinion. Do these bastards not take into the consideration of mothers with children into their selfish accounts. Do they not have a right to privacy?
Just to be even suggesting these things is fkn sick never mind discussing it.
I will end my involvement with this thread right here.
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@Mall
Do you agree that all gays are heterophobes?
I have seen no evidence that suggests this.
And I am still waiting for the "transsexual community" to explain to me what "rights" they believe they are missing out on?
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@sadolite
A woman has [.................................................... one more rib than a man ...
That's news to me. This seems to have sprang from the creation story of the biblical Eve . There is absolutely no evidence that a Woman(those ones with wombs, vaginas and fallopian tubes) has one extra rib to a man....There is of course always the possibility of a deformity. But then this may apply to both Men and Women, those ones with wombs, vaginas and fallopian tubes.
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@Mall
What is your definition of homophobia?
"homophobia" another word created by the left wing nutjobs to play the victim at every chance.
As has already been pointed out above at #15. A phobia is an "irrational fear" of something or someone. Emphasis on - irrational.
irrational
/ɪˈraʃən(ə)l/
adjective
- 1.not logical or reasonable: "irrational feelings of hostility".
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@TheUnderdog
What is a woman?
Seriously! Do you have to ask? Imho anyone that even has to ask such a question needs some serious brain work.
Are you a transgender?
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@zedvictor4
It's more a case of who wrote which book and when, and therefore which one is inevitably going to contain the more up to data info.
I couldn't agree more, Vic. With new discoveries and information being made almost on a daily basis in the age of 21 century technology and since the day the Rosetta Stone was translated.
Though interpretation and re-interpretation is also very giving...Both books alike.
Which was and is always going to be a bone of contention especially where the bible and Christianity is concerned.
Even so, it's now 2024, and we're all rapidly becoming slaves to technology.
That is a deeper point than many may realise. If it is as I only have reason to believe that humans were created as a slave race and one of servitude to do the bidding of those 'above us' , then humans are becoming or have now become a burden to those 'above us' and we are simply expendable (which the bible attests to) and to use an exaggerated idiom; we have now become ' ten thousand a penny' to those 'above us' and are ready to replace the human model.
So some might argue that now is a perfect moment for a GOD, to make contact... But I doubt that it will.
"Be careful what you wish for" , leaps to mind, there Vic, lad. If you , like I, have lost your worth to the "gods" they may well rush to give mother nature a hand in disposing of us.
😒
So as Harry Hill would say:There's only one way to find out who's GOD is best.FIGHT!
Indeed, that is one of the many options the "gods" have to reduce the surplus.
Have a good day Vic.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Regarding your once again revealing post #122 relative to Miss Tradesecret pretending to be what she is NOT, what did we expect from her?
What NOT to expect from the "chosen by god" Reverend Tradesecret is honesty and truthfulness. What we CAN expect is entertainment with every post s/he decides to write.🤣
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@kihayi
All the above, with the exception of Muhammad, were either Hebrew or Jew.Well, as you are claiming this, you have to prove it first.
No I don't. I am simply asking if you agree that those 10 "self sacrificing prophet's" in YOUR LINK, that YOU offered are ; with the exception of Muhammad, ARE, Hebrews or Jews? Its not a difficult question, kihayi.
Here you say: #200 " They sacrificed themselves for higher purpose".
Then here you say: #206 they sacrificed themselves, "in a way",
And now you are stating
#212 the prophets risked/ sacrificed their lives.
Which is it?
Ok, So before I attempt to address what you have called the "self sacrifices" of these prophets one at a time, could you for instance tell me which of the above prophets gave/ sacrificed their lives and for what reason?Well, I have told you in the previous response about what I meant by "self sacrifices". However, here is a brief list about how the above mentioned prophets risked/ sacrificed their lives to deliver God's message to people-Prophet Hud: Faced with rejection and threats of violence from his people, he tirelessly preached against idol worship and injustice. They made fun of him and even attacked him, which left him partially blind. But he did not give up. He continued to offer guidance to his people until they faced the consequences of their disobedience.Prophet Ibrahim: He was asked to kill his son Ismail as a test of his faith. Even though it was very painful, he obeyed God without hesitation. He was ready to do it till the end. This showed that he had complete faith in God.Prophet Ismail: At young age, Ismail demonstrated remarkable courage and faith when he readily agreed to his father's sacrifice.Prophet Shu'aib: The people of Midian did not accept his message of justice and fairness. They made fun of him, threatened him, and even threw stones at him. But he did not give up. He continued to remind them of their moral duties and the risks of disobeying them.Prophet Musa: Firon chased Prophet Musa and his compenions with his entire force to kill them. Fled persecution in Egypt after standing up for the oppressed Israelite slaves, risking his own safety for justice. Led the Israelites through the harsh wilderness for 40 years, enduring their doubts and complaints while providing guidance and hope.Prophet Zakariya: Despite facing persecution for his teachings, he continued to spread God's message with unwavering faith. He was even martyred for his beliefs.Prophet Yahya: He spoke out against injustice, which led to his imprisonment and eventual execution. He never gave up on his commitment to truth and justice, even when he was in danger.Prophet Isa: Despite his message of love, kindness, and belief in one God, he faced opposition from some groups among the Israelites. His teachings and miracles were met with doubt, and a plot to crucify him was hatched. However, Allah saved him from crucifixion and raised him to the heavens.Prophet Muhammad: A lot can be said about him. He faced many challenges throughout his life, including persecution, rejection, and even attempts on his life. However, he persevered through it all and established a thriving community based on faith and justice.(I recommend studying at least about this person's life if not all.)Thank you for reading till the end!
And your sources for all the above claims, please, kihayi.
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@kihayi
What the Quran and the Hadith mentioned 1400 years ago, does stand up to 21st century scrutiny. And, that's why we believe in Islam. The Holy Quran contains many scientific verses and prophecies, some of them have been proved very recently. If you want me to point them, let me know. I will try to do that!
I would like you to address those two questions that I have asked above concerning those 10 prophets that are highlighted in your own link, please, kihayi.
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@kihayi
Which prophets?There are many prophets in Islam, but 25 are mentioned in the Quran. All of them have their own great stories which helps us to know them better. You can check out this link:
I see so you are referencing Old Testamant / New Testamant / Quran prophets as follows in your link above which list just 10:
Hud (Heber) Eber
Ibrahim (Abraham)
Ismail (Ishmael)
Ishaq (Isaac)
Yaqub (Jacob)
Shu’aib (Jethro)
Musa (Moses)
Harun (Aaron)
Dawud (David)
Ilias (Elias)
Zakariya (Zachariah)
Yahya (John the Baptist)
Isa (Jesus)
Muhammad.
All the above, with the exception of Muhammad, were either Hebrew or Jew. Do you agree?
How did they "sacrifice themselves"?Well, they could have fooled people, live a luxurious life; but instead, they chose to spread the message of God to the people. People thought they were crazy person or maybe thought they were fake prophets and did not believe them. Moreover, they tortured them, tried to kill them. Many of prophets were actually killed by people of that time. So, in a way, they "sacrificed themselves".
Ok, So before I attempt to address what you have called the "self sacrifices" of these prophets one at a time, could you for instance tell me which of the above prophets gave/ sacrificed their lives and for what reason?
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@kihayi
If we look at the life of the prophets, you can clearly understand that they were not fake.
Which prophets?
They sacrificed themselves for higher purpose, they faced many trouble, they endured torture from people around them.
How did they "sacrifice themselves"?
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
I apologise Brother D. I have to repost here for the reasons that I forgot to add, but have now added in the post script.
I am sure you've noticed that the "Long-Winded Clap Trap Word Salad" of Miss Tradesecrets post #115 WAS NOT SUPPORTED WITH BIBLICAL PASSAGES, but only her ever so wanting and ungodly OPINIONS!
I have indeed brother D. And, as I have had to remind the Reverend Tradesecret on many occasions, that this wonderful forum is a religion forum and not a religious forum for him/her to use as a pulpit and not expect to go unchallenged.
Such as this absolute contradictory CRAP!
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Tradesecret wrote: After all, whatever the majority think is right - is right and whatever the majority thinks is wrong is wrong. (I don't subscribe to that view - but those who believe in the will of the people must). #115
Notice the bold underlined there Brother D.? You wouldn't believe that , that came from a member of the Criminal Bar Association that practices criminal law as a defence lawyer, would you?🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Has this clown Tradesecret, a member of the Criminal Bar Association (Australia) that practices criminal law as a defence lawyer forgotten that "the majority" choose those that make the laws that the Lawyer & Reverend Tradesecret MUST adhere to?
Has s/he also forgotten that he has, and has had, defendants that totally rely on " the majority" of the jury of 12 to clear his client of all and any charges?
Has this clown member of the Criminal Bar Association (Australia) that practices criminal law also forgotten that s/he also relies on said "majority" of the Jury of 12 members to judge and deliver a favourable verdict on who they believe is "wrong who is right" and "who is wrong"?
But tell us at [A] above that s/he "I don't subscribe" to what "the majority thinks" or believes! 🤣🤣🤣
This reminds me that other complete bullshit he once spouted concerning words; saying "words are just words and don't mean anything". << HERE, (believe it or not) the Reverend Tradesecret was talking about "words" in the BIBLE!!!!!
The Reverend must have also forgot that Jesus tells up how important "words" are.
All the from a man/woman that has to deal in "words" for a living as a lawyer. And has to use "words" as Pastor to a congregation of 300 and Chaplain to Australian Defence Forces!!!!!!
The greatest novelist couldn't make this shite up!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good Night Brother D. Its late here and I have had a drink today and need my bed. And I am retiring happy. 😊
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
I am sure you've noticed that the "Long-Winded Clap Trap Word Salad" of Miss Tradesecrets post #115 WAS NOT SUPPORTED WITH BIBLICAL PASSAGES, but only her ever so wanting and ungodly OPINIONS!
I have indeed brother D. And, as I have had to remind the Reverend Tradesecret on many occasions, that this wonderful forum is a religion forum and not a religious forum for him/her to use as a pulpit and not expect to go unchallenged.
Such as this absolute contradictory CRAP!
Tradesecret wrote: After all, whatever the majority think is right - is right and whatever the majority thinks is wrong is wrong. (I don't subscribe to that view - but those who believe in the will of the people must). #115
Notice the bold underlined there Brother D.? You wouldn't believe that , that came from a member of the Criminal Bar Association that practices criminal law as a defence lawyer, would you?🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Do you want to split up her totally dumb ass statements that goes against the written word of Jesus in the Bible between us so
This has to be one of the most funniest things the Reverend Tradesecret has managed to say of late Brother D. and one for my cut-out-and- keep.
Tradesecret wrote: #115. I hope that makes sense. And if it doesn't then, I apologise. Please ask further questions and I will attempt to explain.
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@zedvictor4
Nana Mouskouri
Indeed. The White Rose of Athens. Had I lived in Greece the lovely Nana would have been among my Polyamory.
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