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@RationalMadman
Well what does it mean?Taking a stand can be very violent.
Well did you listen to the video? Of course you haven't. You are just jumping the gun, AGAIN!!!
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Police and mental health worker visit orthodox Christian for saying to his priest " Christians must take a stand".
England has gone down the shit pan.
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@Best.Korea
Well, I hate Christians more than muslims, its just that the muslims are winning the psychological war where Christianity is not even a working religion anymore.
I didn't expect such a statement from you BK, to be honest. Hate; is a very strong word my friend and shouldn't be used lightly. But I stand by your right to express your thoughts and opinions.
Have you read about the genocide of Christians going on in as we speak being committed by Azerbaijani Muslims? And not a single mention from Western MSM. Maybe those Christians should complain that the Muslims were dressed as the Grinch and upsetting their feeling and causing them distress which just may cause the West to take notice.
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Salah Toughfar said he was "upset and distressed" to have been compared to the Dr Seuss character - despite not knowing anything about the mean-tempered creature until a colleague showed him an internet description.
The learning support assistant, who still works at The Grove School in north London, later complained about the audience laughing at him as he collected his trophy.
It was only a few years ago that is was fkn snow that "offended" Allah
"The people who will receive the severest punishment from Allah will be the picture makers.'" (Al Bukhari)
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@Bones
Muhammad Ali is next.
I though it was Rocky Balboa next. Or did he lose to Godzilla?
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@RationalMadman
Stephen wrote: There is a simple reason that the Sun did this as do all media outlets. It was because this vile vicious attempted murder came on the heels of a similar attack that happened only 48 hours before. A knife was used, people got killed and injured and both happened in Sydney.Many outlets don't do that.
And most do. And for obvious reasons. Except obvious to you .
This should be the end of our exchanged.
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@Hero_In_Instatute
you've never read the bible before, have you.
Well, I will assume that you have. So can you explain to me what is going on here at Matthew 15: 21 -28?
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@zedvictor4
As luck would have it, I fall into the perfect earthling one.
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@zedvictor4
Too many categories to list, in fact. Which one do you fall into?As luck would have it, I fall into the perfect earthling one.
Is there a common sense category, Vic? ie, the capability to form an opinion based on a simple perception of the situation or facts. I think that would be me.
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@Double_R
Double_R wrote @n8nrgim A definition of "flesh robots" would be a nice start.
Nice.😊
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@RationalMadman
I didn't realise The Sun puts new articles literally seamlessly after the previous articles.
There is a simple reason that the Sun did this as do all media outlets. It was because this vile vicious attempted murder came on the heels of a similar attack that happened only 48 hours before. A knife was used, people got killed and injured and both happened in Sydney.
And it clearly distinguishes between the two with a BOLD headline. I.E
"Sydney mall rampage
It comes after rampaging knifeman Joel Cauchi murdered six people at a mall in Bondi on Saturday."
It comes after rampaging knifeman Joel Cauchi murdered six people at a mall in Bondi on Saturday."
And be it for me to be a rumour monger but it is now being alleged (on line) that the first attack by a "mentally ill person" (that will be the prostitute you mentioned) at the shopping Mall was a recent convert to the " religion of peace " commonly known to right thinking people as a vile ideology called Islam. But I don't know the truth of it and also why I didn't comment about it the day it happened. But there again it wouldn't be the first time a convert to Islam has committed such atrocities, would it?
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@RationalMadman
RationalMadman wrote: The killer was a male escort and had a white father so I'm unsure what you're implying.Stephen wrote: What killer? has Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel Died then? Or is it a case that you haven't even read my post in full or even opened the link, or BOTH!!!!? WANKER!By a miracle he survived several stabs then.
So the link doesn't say the Bishop had died , does it? But YOU announced the attacker as a killer.
Your article makes it clear this is a male prositute whose father is named Andrew.
Then you have simply glided over the intention of THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC and moved to the earlier attack that happened two days previous.
Try to reply to what I say this time.
I have, see above. ALSO see below for the full transcript CONCERNING THE ATTACK ON THE BISHOP from the link that I posted, which my thread is concerned with. OR did you miss the part where I named the victim as Bishop Emmanuel!?
A BISHOP has been stabbed in Sydney just days after six shoppers were knifed to death in a horror mall rampage in the city.
Shocking live stream footage showed Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel being attacked while delivering a sermon at a church in Wakeley.
A live stream appeared to show the terrifying moment Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel was stabbed.
Bishop Emmanuel was reportedly stabbed multiple times.
Bizarre footage showed the attacker smiling as he was pinned to the floor.
A crowd of more than 5,000 people gathered outside the church after the attack.
New South Wales cops guard the entrance to the church while the suspect was kept inside.
At least four people were stabbed just after 7pm on Monday night at Wakeley's Christ The Good Shepherd Church.
Bishop Emmanuel - who has a huge following on social media - was reportedly stabbed multiple times and rushed to hospital.
The attacker was said to have been detained by churchgoers before cops swooped and arrested a suspect.
A chilling photo later emerged of what appeared to be the attacker smiling at a camera while pinned down on the floor of the Assyrian church.
And furious crowds swarmed the streets outside the church after the attack - reportedly calling to "cut off the fingers" of the suspect.
Footage appeared to show bricks and bottles being hurled at riot cops as tensions explode over the latest stabbing to rock the city in just two days.
YouTube live stream footage showed Bishop Emmanuel speaking at an altar as a man calmly walked up to him and lunged at his face and neck with a weapon.
The church leader fell to the ground and screams could be heard from the congregation as several churchgoers rushed forward to help.
Footage showed him being rushed to an ambulance on a stretcher in front of a growing crowd outside.
Two police officers were reportedly injured in the swarm of over 5,000 people outside of the church.
One report said angry bystanders were shouting for the suspect's surrender as he was locked inside the building for his safety.
New South Wales cops have since confirmed he has been "removed from the church and taken to an undisclosed location".
They said "police continue to work on restoring order" in Wakeley following reports that "a number of people were stabbed" at the church.
Footage showed him being rushed to an ambulance on a stretcher in front of a growing crowd outside.
Two police officers were reportedly injured in the swarm of over 5,000 people outside of the church.
One report said angry bystanders were shouting for the suspect's surrender as he was locked inside the building for his safety.
New South Wales cops have since confirmed he has been "removed from the church and taken to an undisclosed location".
They said "police continue to work on restoring order" in Wakeley following reports that "a number of people were stabbed" at the church.
ONLY THEN DOES IT GO ON TO REFLECT ON THE EARLIER ATTACK THAT TOOK PLACE TWO DAYS EARLIER WHERE PEOPLE DID DIE.
This thread was concerned with the vile attempted murder of a Christian Bishop. by a MUSLIM .<<< That is what is being IMPLIED!!!
YOU ABSOLUTE DRONGO.
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@FishChaser
It is protected by stupidity. People can be indoctrinated with stupid shit and that's why Islam is so popular.
Yep. I just read that:
2014
"MORE THAN100 PEOPLE - MOST OF THEM WOMEN - ARE CONVERTING TO ISLAM IN SYDNEY EACH YEAR, AND EXPERTS WARN SOME NEW CONVERTS ARE MORE LIKELY TO ADOPT EXTREMIST ELEMENTS OF THE RELIGION".
I wonder how many it is now, ten years on?
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@Mall
@ADreamOfLiberty
I don't doubt for a second that we'll see the usual suspects of local dignitaries along with the local Imam lined up on the town hall steps talking of " ONLY a tiny minority, Islam is a religion of peace", now lets all sing "Give Peace A Chance, Kumbaya, and Don't look Back In Anger" at a candle - lit vigil in the very near future.
I can promise you this, we haven't seen nothing yet.
It's been reported that the attacker was grinning when he was floored and captured and has been moved to a "secret location".... but he did lose two fingers during his vile, vicious and unprovoked attack on the Bishop that just happened to be giving a sermon of Jesus' message of peace. You really couldn't make this shit up.
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@Best.Korea
Islam is too strong to be defeated, since it is protected by Allah.
Muslims and Islam don't need Allah, BK. Our own Western leaders are helping Islam along just swimmingly in the take over of the West. . This isn't the first Priest to be butchered in a Western speaking country and won't be the last.
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@RationalMadman
What killer? has Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel Died then?
Or is it a case that you haven't even read my post in full or even opened the link, or BOTH!!!!? WANKER!
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A BISHOP has been stabbed in Sydney just days after six shoppers were knifed to death in a horror mall rampage in the city.
Shocking live stream footage showed Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel being attacked while delivering a sermon at a church in Wakeley.
At least four people were stabbed just after 7pm on Monday night at Wakeley's Christ The Good Shepherd Church.
Bishop Emmanuel - who has a huge following on social media - was reportedly stabbed multiple times and rushed to hospital.
The attacker was said to have been detained by churchgoers before cops swooped and arrested a suspect.
A chilling photo later emerged of what appeared to be the attacker smiling at a camera while pinned down on the floor of the Assyrian church.
And it seems, that the Aussie Christians are not prepared to "turn the other cheek". gud on ya cobbers.
AND no doubt it will be broadcast by all MSM world wide that the Bishop's attacker will be "suffering from mental issues" <<< this being the new apologetics coming from all Western leaders. Why can they not just face the facts, that Islam is a thread to all Western societies and has been since the day Salman Rushdie wrote a novel.?
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@WyIted
So much sexual deviance among the clergy, yet they have the brass balls to call all atheists "drug addled kiddie fiddlers".... well, I know at least one of them does.At least they have the decent y to hide that they are sick fucks instead of flaunting it.
They must have been "flaunting it" somewhere and to someone, It was a an orgy, ffs! held my men chosen by god!
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@zedvictor4
The urge to procreate is an inherent base drive.
Yep. We were told to do much go forth-ing and multiplying, even ye old'e god knew that.
Celibacy my arse.Well, not mine vicar.
And certainly not mine, Reverend.😑
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@Best.Korea
Apparently, religion has little to no effect on preventing crime or preventing nonsense.
When it should, BK.
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The only thing that shocks me these days is that nothing else shocks me.
Priest refused to open the door to emergency services that were interrupting his homosexual orgy.
"The priest was sentenced for sexual offences, the supply of drugs and failing to provide assistance to a person in danger of loss of life or serious bodily harm".
So much sexual deviance among the clergy, yet they have the brass balls to call all atheists "drug addled kiddie fiddlers".... well, I know at least one of them does.
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@n8nrgim
It's also kinda stupid to think humans r nothing other than elaborate flesh robots
Wouldn't go as far as to say "robots" in the true sense of the word. But we were certainly created as a slave species if the bible is to be believed. You want to try reading it for yourself.... one day.
Start here>> "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground". Genesis 2:5 and then read what comes before up to the creation of the Adam.
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@Mall
But when you can't answer a question, just be forthright with that. No pretenses.
He was forthright, Mall. HERE>> #70
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@zedvictor4
Not so good looking (Sort of a clone of the archetypal 60's American housewife)
That will be the one's with wombs I take it, Vic?😁
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@Shila
Jesus is a true historical figure. Read my post on “The case for the historical Jesus.”
The link, please shila.
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@zedvictor4
Though they hadn't invented hot cross buns yet.
Can't say that anymore: "hot cross", its "micro aggression". I believe it is "very upset buns" now Vic. Or is it "jolly batey buns"? I am getting really confused with all this new PC correct language to be honest, Vic.
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@Mall
Tradesecret wrote @Mall: If I showed you a spot in the Bible where God HIMSELF divorced Israel, doesn't that demonstrate that it is a valid end to a marriage covenant? #60
I will assume the Reverend Tradesecret is referring to Jeremiah 3 I believe, Mall?
While ignoring the actual question all together; and conflating the spiritual with the material or physical the Reverend Tradesecret believes he has his "gotcha" moment Mall. He just thinks that you are far too stupid to realise it.
And he has the brass neck to accuse everyone else of "cherry picking and taking verses out of context" ! 🤣
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@Barney
I’m curious what other peoples immediate reactions are, so please assist me.
Good looking, a reasonably good singer. Her political views only tell me she's simply going along with "the thing" / zeit·geist. Other than that, I am indifferent.
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@Mall
Tradesecret @Mall: I could quote verses from Adam, from Noah, from Abraham who all understood and practiced covenant theology.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^from the man that tells us that he:
"doesn't even believe in religion and that it should be banned" and that "words are just words" and "the (words of the} BIBLE can't do anything".
The man is a fkn joke! and very entertaining,😂
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@Deb-8-a-bull
The bible dudes that did the bible could of like ummm, put words in gods mouth. .And Words that not even really come from the god.They could of liked made stuff up.
Absolutely correct, Deb. As do the Pastors, Priests and Chaplains. Any explanations for those awkward, embarrassing, ambiguous and contradictory verses are all made up on the hoof and trying to come across to the reader as intelligent and knowledgeable, at which the Pastors and Chaplains fail miserably.
Hence the total lack of BIBLICAL support for said explanations..
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@Mall
Mall, wrote @TradesecretYou're saying all these statements but you have no scripture that states divorce is justified. You're just giving commentary of an idea.
Opinion based on nothing at all biblical is The Reverend Tradesecret's usual mo.
Notice that. I'm giving all this scripture that denies divorce. Just straight from the words of the book, not my own.
Indeed. In fact the Reverend Tradesecret will always insist on members providing "biblical evidence/ proof" for their comments, statements, theories, ideas and opinions while affording himself guess-work, conjecture, opinion. speculation and his beliefs and presenting them as fact. While not affording you the same curtesy. He's a proven compulsive liar and a fkn fraud that makes it all up on the hoof.
You'll get used to in if you stick around long enough, Mall. He's frightened to death to discuss any of the gospels or the bible in general even though he tells us that he has;
"been taught to memorise the bible from and early age in ancient Greek and Hebrew languages" too.
It's his "definitions" default when he's in one of the many tight corners that he often paints himself into that makes me laugh out loud. He tells us that he doesn't accept definitions from "some dictionary". 😒
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@rosends
If you want to say that some sort of worship of a "Satan" character is anything then just call it Christian. Don't drag Judaism into this. In Judaism, Satan is an angel who works for God. There is no notion of Satan's being some opposing force worthy of separate worship.
Spot on , Rosie, The bible confirms what A Satan is. But Christians are far too ignorant or stupid to work that out for themselves.
I put this down to Pastors and Chaplains and Priests that promote and have promoted the BS story about "satan".
If we are to go by the Christian belief, then is all those believers have to ask themselves is: who the fk was satan that he believed himself to be in the position to test the character of the "son of God"?
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@IlDiavolo
Well, at least you're realizing that the biblical content is not reliable AT ALL because the scientific research you're mentioning is at odds over it.And I encourage you to keep questioning its content, this is the only way you can reach THE TRUTH.
Spot on. 10/10
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@Mall
Making a claim and preaching are two different things.#34
You are talking absolute bollocks if you actually believe there is a difference.
Nope. They claim there is a god. They preach about what they claim. They preach what god and his son and his son's disciples have to tell us. They also preach from a book that was allegedly "inspired" by their god. I.E. the very word of their god. And didn't Jesus say " I was sent to preach the the good news"? And didn't Jesus commanded his disciples to preach the gospels?
A theist can preach about God but necessarily make a matter of fact claim.
That makes no sense. Theist always present their god to us as a matter of fact. Because gods existence IS a matter of fact in their minds.
Unless you know of a Pastor, or a Chaplain that doesn't actually believe what he spews from his high and mighty pulpit at every given chance.
Why have you posted this in the Science and Nature sub forum?
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@n8nrgim
n8nrgim wrote @ Tradesecret; Yea but do u agree that literally the bible says we no longer have a legal relationship with God?
And the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh. Genesis 6:3
Looks like god told us we are on our own.
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@n8nrgim
There's often people who come back from the dead.... they're dead or hours or days, as far as we know anyway, and still come back despite that it's inexplicable. Often there r stories of those in a morgue waking up. Or someone under water for half an hour. Granted it's very rare for a Christian to pray and bring someone back or at least the stories that we know of, and the stories r usually nde related... but it's not unheard of for extended dead to come back to life
And you have good reliable sources for those claims do you, n8nrgim?
Someone I don't doubt may be considered or assumed "dead" but they simply couldn't have been if they regain consciousness.
Dead means no longer alive.
Maybe we should leave the praying to those who just love that sound of their own voice and pray for the simple things in life such as:
Dear god, in the name of your Lord son Jesus please fix the church bells so my brother and his bride can have a lovely memorable day. Or just send us a free cherry picker so we can fix ourselves. You did it for this couple, Lord>>> https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10756-evidence-god-christianity-miracles-ndes-the-afterlife?page=1&post_number=12
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@IlDiavolo
Read this D. I suggest you hold your ribs whilst doing so.
The Revered just can't keep away from me even though he blocked me "permanently" .🤣
"Mock me if you will" - he says, He fkn needs mocking for all the bullshite he expects anyone here to swallow.
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@n8nrgim
Tradsecret wrote @n8nrgimSo here is the interesting thing. As we were closing the Board meeting, one of the local girls, prayed. And she asked God, to provide a miracle, to fix the bell, before the wedding. And I recall chuckling to myself. But I added at the end, that it's a good thing to ask God for such things. #12
🤣FFS!
No mention of world peace? Or feeding the starving? Housing the homeless? Dads operation to be successful? 😂
December 14 2019.
Church attempts resurrection of a dead two year old child, through Prayer
“We have a precedent” said Pastor Bill, “Jesus raised the dead”.
He said “there was no time limit on how much longer the prayers and singing would continue, but added that the child remained at the county coroner's office”.
Interesting that Jesus also commanded any one that followed him to:
“Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give”. Matthew 10:7-8 .
They appear to have done everything by the book too:
“'Since that night, and at the continued request of the Heiligenthal family, Bethel Church has hosted prayer and worship gatherings which consist of singing and prayer,' the church said in a statement”.
Interesting it is that the bible informs its adherents to continue praying! And to “never give up”. Luke 18.
The baby’s funeral was eventually held December22.
What happened here ? “Ye of little faith” or the wrong faith?
It appears that the only thing “raised” during this whole sad sorry saga was $62,000 (“unforeseen expenses” don’t you know) via a GoFundMe page. I can hear Pastor Bill sermonising Acts 2:45 as I write.
It isn't hard at all to find hundreds of cases where every single devout religious grieving parent was denied what they asked for in their payers.
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Tradsecret wrote @n8nrgimSo here is the interesting thing. As we were closing the Board meeting, one of the local girls, prayed. And she asked God, to provide a miracle, to fix the bell, before the wedding. And I recall chuckling to myself. But I added at the end, that it's a good thing to ask God for such things. #12
🤣FFS!
No mention of world peace? Or feeding the starving? Housing the homeless? Dads operation to be successful? 😂
Tradsecret wrote @n8nrgim. My son's best man's old man died in a tractor accident - a tree fell on him #12
FFS! Not even a request for a raising from the dead?😂
Tradsecret wrote @n8nrgim. It was God saying, "I like to please my people when I can". #12
"when I can". FFS! Mr Omni himself, doubting his own abilities!😂
Tradsecret wrote @n8nrgim. Mock me if you will.#12
Sounds like someone praying for victimhood?😒
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@zedvictor4
Good morning , Vic.
Hope you and yours are all well. Here its a lovely day for the pub me thinks.
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@Mall
Tradesecret wrote:@MallAdultery is a legitimate reason to divorce your spouse.
While King David (Son of God) had multiple wives and concubines.
Matthew 5:28 - "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
Hebrews 13:4 - "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."
Matthew 5:27-28 - "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery."
Luke 16:18 - "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery."
Matthew 19:9 - "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."
Seems to be a case of - do as I say not what I do.😂
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@Mall
Does said theist(s) have a burden of proof for the God they believe in
Of course they do. It is they that make the claim and have been preaching about him, his creations, his existence, his laws, his miracles, his wars, his jealousy, his anger gone to war on his behalf and command and all in all, his psychotic nature.
Why have you posted this in the Science and Nature sub forum?
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@n8nrgim
i dont like that the point is to satisfy God's wrath and blood lust.
Having been beaten to near death, nailed to a cross and speared between the ribs, doesn't seem to have "washed away the sins of the world", does it? So gods wrath wasn't satisfied by any means was it? Or was this waste of life only temporary?
And nothing you have posted so far goes anywhere near in explaining why any type of sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins was needed. Why couldn't your ever so loving god simply say - from this day on all sins are forgiven?
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@TheUnderdog
Well I know which I would prefer between a coal mine in Wales 300 ft below ground in cold, dank, worse than piss poor conditions the 1800's and the free country air in the sunshine in the southern states in the same period.
White privilege my arse! WHITE Children as young as five were working in these deadly mines and many WHITES died.
I encourage any black person to go visit Big Pit in Wales , its now a museum.. Its a frightening, eye opening, soul destroying reminder of our WHITE privilege.
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Stephen wrote: What is it with god and his BLOOD lust ?How does this appease and satisfy him?It ain't so much that blood lust satisfies God. It's that sin and death, took down Jesus, as Jesus chose not to fight back, and divine love brought him back to life.
It still doesn't explain why something or someone has to die in a blood sacrifice. Why not simply state and admit ones wrong doing and your loving god forgive the wrong doer?
You didn't address this below
n8nrgim wrote: The bible said Jesus nailed any legal requirements to the cross.
Where in the bible does it say this?
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@n8nrgim
i use two unconventional proofs for god. one is healing miracles, i dont see the kinds of miracles that happen to theists happen to atheists, or even non christians honestly, despite looking for that evidence and asking around.
First_ Define the word Miracle, and then give me your eyewitness account of such happening to theists?
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@n8nrgim
What is it with god and his BLOOD lust ?
How does this appease and satisfy him?
The bible said Jesus nailed any legal requirements to the cross.
Where in the bible does it say this?
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@RationalMadman
@WyIted
RationalMadman wrote: Show me these atheist people that beat up homosexuals, I'm not saying they don't exist I'm asking you to show me examples.
Silly request considering you don't deny "they exist". So why don't you show us your own examples of these atheist that beat up homosexuals?
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@FishChaser
such is the nature of the stupid.
Yep, there's just no cure for stupid, FC.😒
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@FishChaser
Just make religion punishable by death imo.
But you are clever enough to know it's not that simple.... aren't you?
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