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@EtrnlVw
But this is clearly you saying that you and your buddy ethang will have to "work on me"Ethang is right bud,
I ain't your buddy and would never want be. So stick your forked tongue somewhere else.
And you have avoided explaining what it is that you mean by, "we will have to work on stevie".
So when you are ready.
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@EtrnlVw
It's not where I come to vent and lash out at others of opposing beliefs like you do.
No. I have never attacked anyone for their beliefs and you cannot show me where I have done that. I will though, admit, with hands held up high, that I have attacked what it is theists believe >>>IN<<<<. You any anyone else can believe what the fk you like. It doesn't concern me one bit and it is of no business of mine.
So stop playing fkn VICTIM!!!! You are not a VICTIM!!!!, you are a devious hypocrite.
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But you seemed to be implying that you'd only be an observer in the new threadWrong.Neither the post nor the comment in it was addressed to you Einstein.
I know it was a bit sharp for you,but I was speaking from my own stand point. Although this interloping never seems to be a problem for you when you decide to interfere and budge in one other peoples conversations. It must be a theist shepherd thing, where one sheep of the flock is looking after another sheep of the same flock.
Anyway, if your would rather me NOT reply to someone's questions please say so.
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@EtrnlVw
Stevie, I certainly don't want you to get banned.
Bullshit!!! You have made it so obviously clear that after your jubilation and excitement of seeing another member banned, your sole intention from that point on was to see the same happen to me.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Has it got to do with?Team ( HOLY GUYS ) thats, THE GREAT LORD, MOSES The Human God and the ever so Priestley Prophet A, Ron. These guys do the turn staffs into snakes trick ummmm, ' Miraculously 'And.Team (☆ Abra▪Kadabra ☆) a Few wise guys , six or so Sorcerers, and some Magyptians.They turn staff into snake via a sleight of hand and a puff of smoke. ' Magically '
Well done that man!
Not too hard was it. And did you notice how the theist avoided these blinding hypocritical double standards altogether? This is because they would have to recognize that either Pharaohs priests (sorcerers ) were just as capable as Aaron's and Moses's god at pulling of this "miraculous" stunt without the assistance of any god or they would have to recognize that there were other gods. it is right there in the scripture, these "sourcerers" proved that one didn't need a god to turn a stick into a serpent.
10 So Moses (god) and Aaron (priest & prophet) went to Pharaoh and did just as the Lord commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake.
11 Pharaoh then summoned wise men and sorcerers, and the Egyptian magicians also did the same things by their secret arts:
12 Each one threw down his staff and it became a snake.
The question is, if it can be these " wise magicians and sorcerers" can pull of this trick with "their secret arts" "Enchantments" (KJV), "occult practices" (CSB) "magic spells".(G's WT) why is it that one side is seen as only performing tricks yet the other is seen as performing miracles?
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@ethang5
Why is it you can use similes but God can't?
I am not. I am stating the words of non other than god himself.
So when you said mopac was a sheep, you meant he was a sheep?
This is the third thread that you have blatantly broken forum rules concerning cross contamination. Let me remind you.
This is the fourth thread that you have blatantly broken forum rules concerning cross contamination. let me remind you.
LOOK>>>
4. Cross-Thread ContaminationCross-thread contamination is when a user brings up disputes elsewhere on the site up in an unrelated thread for the purpose of harassing, mocking, or insulting another member. Treat every new exchange with a member with as much of a "clean slate" as possible.
Now I am asking you to either address the double standards in this silly story or simply leave the thread. It is not a difficult choice.
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@Mopac
He is describing the similarity of the relationship No, Moses is not God.
Well that is debatable considering god himself tells Moses that “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh". Are you suggesting a play on words here?
And what about the double standards? Or are you simply going to ignore them? Or do you need them pointing out to you?
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@ethang5
I may have suggested that you take part in one of my threadsUm hum, you didn't beg, you "suggested". Right.
" MAY HAVE suggested" and you are simply and rudely continuing an argument with me personally on someone else's thread. I am sure that there is a rule concerning this kind of disruption. I'll have to look that up.
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Exodus 7:1 Then the Lord said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.
Moses' brother Aaron is a priest but more than that he is a prophet. And Moses is a god. <<<<< yes! a god<<<<<< We know this because another god said so.
Moses a god!?????
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Stop begging me to post to your other equally lame threads.
I was asking you to address the OP of THIS thread. This is not my thread.
I wouldn't stoop that low as to beg anyone for anything.... at all . No. I may have suggested that you take part in one of my threads and you are more than entitled to decline . BUT NO!, you would rather destroy someone else's thread like a spoiled little child. Now let us see how long it actually is before you do post on one of my threads. 18;56 pm gmt
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@ethang5
...he had surrounded himself with very rich and influential disciples.This of course is untrue.
No it isn't.
The disciples of Jesus were poor men with very little influence.
Just to mention two. The Pharisee Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council. I don't think his position on a ruling council of the Sanhedrin would qualify him as poor. This was a truly a loyal and devout servant of the Christ too, if we are to believe these scriptures So much so that he would have been killed had his fellow Jews knew he was visiting Jesus "in secret".
And of course there was Joseph of Aramathea also rich and influential also a member of the council . He along with Nicodemus took charge of the anointing and burial of Christ. They were extremely trusted and loyal to Jesus anointing Jesus with the most expensive of oils. Who also feared the Jews and was a secret disciple.
And this council wasn't your local busy bodies simply issuing rules and regulations on a local level telling people what kind of waste to put in what coloured trash bin.. No These were high ranking priests of Sanhedrin and presented as a political and judicial council headed by the high priest - they were judges. And that is just to name two. Hardly poor are they?
They were mostly Fishermen.
Indeed their businesses was fishing. They had fishing businesses.
Matthew, comparatively well off, was not rich.
Did he give what he had to the poor?
When Jesus met Peter, Peter alludes to the fact that he (and his fishermen cohorts) are "men of unclean lips". Meaning he spoke like guttersnipe.
What does that prove!?
I have few rich/ well f friends who speak the fkn same . This proves nothing. It Simpy means they spoke crude as I and many of my well off friends do.
The women in his life wer are well to do "women of substance". Those aromatic oils they bandied about like there was no tomorrow were not cheap. But they were managing to get their hands on it by the kilo. You simply do not know your scripture sunshine.
As usual, our genius starts his lame "assessment" off with dishonesty and fakery.
yes you keep saying this but never prove the accusation. how about some fkn evidence.
If his position is so good, why the needless lie?
but I haven't lied. What have I lied about. Evidence for your wild accusations is something you and mopac always fail to produce.
"The myth of Christ has served us well" . said Pope Leo X
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@ethang5
But I still await those "five threads".You will wait as long as I wait for answers to my questions shemp.
You really are spent aren't you?
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@ethang5
You are foolish, Job was not.
So you have no answer there then.
No it is my assessment of the whole saga.Yes, your whole assessment is baseless.
Wrong again. I have and good reason and sound base. The scripture itself supports my assessment. God slaughters Jobs children for a bet. The scripture makes that clear. Are you saying that the scripture is not true?
So you don't know then.Or your learning disability is confusing you. Either or.
That's another no then.
YOU just can't resist being rude can you.I do not use vulgarity shaheeb.
And that is another no then.
Your assessment is stupidity, proof of that is your reluctance to answer questions about it.
You haven' asked me any questions about it. Is all you have managed to do thus far is say I am wrong and make ambiguous testaments, Was that part of your " "professional training" ?
I would have wanted to die with my childrenAs did Job.
Stop lying. And lets see your evidence for that.
God knew all along that Job wouldn't lose faith, but killed his children regardless.
Why?
That is a fact. You asked for facts.
You haven't given me a single fact or factual explanation. Stop lying.
Now, if is all you are going to do, is turn someone else's thread into a personal argument with me, can I suggest you leave the thread and start your own. This is totally unfair to the OP and you haven't even attempted to take on his question. You came right here and attempted to created another argument with me without the slightest interest or consideration for the op.
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@Mopac
Then you will believe anything but the truth. It's simple.
I do marvel at times about you theists.
You appear to feel that you are in the position where you can tell the atheist to prove for you that there is or isn't a god. And that an atheist has to prove for you the bible to be correct or incorrect forgetting all the time that it is YOU the theist and the bible that is making all the claims.
You and your flock are claiming the bible is truth. "What is truth" ? asked Pilate
"The myth of Christ has served us well" . said Pope Leo X
AND you keep missing these questions. Have you been told to avoid them by someone else? See if you can manage the last two at least.
What was wrong with pious rich men entering the kingdom of god?
Why would it be less easier for a rich man than it would for a less well off man to enter the kingdom of god?
And what is actually meant by "the kingdom of God"?
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@ethang5
I would have wanted to die with my childrenAs did Job.
Then why didn't he kill himself? And lets see your evidence for that.
That is simply your opinion. And it is baseless too.So is your "assessment" of Job.
No it is my assessment of the whole saga. In Jobs mind he was more concerned that his god may not trust him to be loyal and faithful through it all, than he ever was about his own flesh and blood. But god knew all along that Job wouldn't lose faith, but killed his children regardless.
Why?
Tell me, what would have happened if job would have blamed and cursed god for his unprovoked actions?Do you have a learning disability?
So you don't know then.
please go read the story.
I have.
Do you have a learning disability?
YOU just can't resist being rude can you. Even when your rudeness is veiled. This is your only defense isn't it. you are just trying to turn yet ANOTHER FKN thread into a slanging match!!! because of your own fkn failure and inability to defend this story. You really cannot help it can you.
You simply cannot explain away the deplorable vicious nature of this god and his maniacal murderous actions towards a servant that HE KNEW WAS TOTALLY LOYAL!!!! and so your only single reply is to say "Do you have a learning disability?" and right on the heels of saying " but I'm patient". Well your patience didn't last too long there did it?
You have spoken of your "professional training" although you don't actually state what that " professional training" is or what it actaully teaches and entails. But does that "professional training" include you being ignorant and rude when you're on the back foot and have painted yourself into a theological corner in trying to explain away this absolutely ridiculous story?
Why doesn't your imagined "professional training" along with your non existent imagined "patience" explain for instance, what the story actually is supposed to mean? You are quick to tell me I don't understand it and that my assessment of the whole story is wrong, So lets have it princess. Let me see you explain away the vicious and vile actions by god towards a loyal servant, but with facts and logic, and not your beliefs presented as facts.
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I have started another new topic in the religious sub forum, YES! ANOTHER ONE!!!!No one's surprised. You're a compulsive anti-theist poster.
Wong AGAIN. I have no problems or concerns about you being a believer. I have stated this many times to you before but it never sinks in because you don't want to believe it. I don't care that you believe it. It is what you believe IN that I am concerned with. You simply want to attack the man and not the ball because you cannot defend this indefeasible bullshite contained in the scriptures.. I am used to fawning sycophantic apologist like you. when you are losing and argument, you cry FK VICTIM EVERY TIME!!!!!!
That you want to spend half your life on your knees submitting to your god is no concern of mine. I sometimes envy those that believe in the after life, especially at times of bereavement. But I have neither seen nor heard a single shred of evidence to prove it, only that which comes spewing out of the mouths of people such as yourself and like the fraud Christian preacher Pete Popoff which is not evidence, it is lies.. But, like I have already pointed out; I notice how shallow and pathetic and tame your replies are becoming with every new post. This is because you are a spent force that is incapable of holding your own.
So. I can't see the point in going around and around with you. If you're reneging on your threat to create " five new threads" of your own and you don't wish to engage me on my brand new biblical topic here https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3581/the-magicians-of-pharaoh
then any further conversation on this thread - that you have absolutely ruined, - and as you set out to do from the off, is, imo, pointless.
But I still await those "five threads".
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@ethang5
Stop with your blather and let's just see those threads. .
Cross thread contamination hypo.
Wrong AGAIN . A link directing you to the appropriate thread where the e-v-i-d-e-n-c-e is clear concerning your little plot is not "thread contamination". And that simply smacks of desperation. You really are desperate now to get me banned aren't you.
If only you put as much energy into generating something more substantial and constructive as you have into your little vindictive childish vendetta you may well have been able to at least construct a reasonable argument in defense of your own beliefs. But, like I have already pointed out; I notice how shallow and pathetic your replies are becoming with every new post. This is because you are a spent force that is incapable of holding your own.
I have started another new topic in the religious sub forum, YES! ANOTHER ONE!!!! Maybe you can start over and explain things with civility, for the first time in your miserable life instead of choosing conflict all of the time.
Here ya go. A brand new start for you.
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The double standards just do end ?
Moses' brother Aaron is a priest but more than that he is a prophet. And Moses is a god. <<<<< yes! a god<<<<<< We know this because another god said so.
Exodus 7:1 Then the Lord said to Moses, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.
Now read this:
Exodus 7:10-20 New International Version (NIV)
Aaron’s Staff Becomes a Snake
8 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 9 “When Pharaoh says to you, ‘Perform a miracle,’ then say to Aaron, ‘Take your staff and throw it down before Pharaoh,’ and it will become a snake.”
10 So Moses (god) and Aaron (priest & prophet) went to Pharaoh and did just as the Lord commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake.
11 Pharaoh then summoned wise men and sorcerers, and the Egyptian magicians also did the same things by their secret arts:
12 Each one threw down his staff and it became a snake. But Aaron’s staff swallowed up their staffs. 13 Yet Pharaoh’s heart became hard and he would not listen to them, just as the Lord had said.
Hands up those who spots the double standards in this story? There's clue is in the title.
double standard
noun
plural noun: double standards
- a rule or principle which is unfairly applied in different ways to different people or groups.
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@ethang5
Perhaps because you know I am aware that you're a fraudThen perhaps for those interested enough, you could produce some evidence of my "fraudulent" behavior?Its there in your every post to me
That is not evidence. So that is a a big fat no then and your accusations are totally baseless. You see, this is all you are good for. Is causing conflict on someone else's thread. You cannot debate using logic and evidence and facts or even highly plausible opinions, so you simply set out to derail and disrupt anything you do not agree with and does not agree with you with ABSOLUTE GARBAGE AND ACCUSATIONS YOU CANNOT SUPPORT!!!!!...
I notice how shallow and pathetic your replies are becoming by the day. This is because you are a spent force that is incapable of holding your own.
SO, instead of whining and accusing me of lying and being a fraud simply start a thread of your own. What are you in fear of?
You have blatantly shown that between yourself and another member here that your only single intention is to "work on " me to shut me up and get me banned.Your paranoia is fooling you
The E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E says different , sunshine.
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@ethang5
Nice to see for once you have no problem with my assessment of this storyAll your "assessments" are laughably funny.
But true. What is "funny" about my assessment is that no one in their right mind in the 21st century can ever believe this story.
I mean, what kind of person would be contented with all of their children - all ten of them! - being murdered for such a egotistical reason. No amount of sheep,oxen and camels, could ever cause me to love anyone who did that to me and my children never mind cause me to excuse them. as you are so, so desperate to do. I would have wanted to die with my children. So go on, tell me who would?
Well let me tell, you; I cannot see anyone else to blame for the loss of life and desolation in the whole of this story.And that's that's why, unlike Job, you're foolish.
That is simply your opinion. And it is baseless too.
Tell me, what would have happened if job would have blamed and cursed god for his unprovoked actions?
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@ethang5
I could make 5 threads out of the questions you've dodged.Then lets have em. Stop bragging .No. I have a rule not to start stupid threads.Why doesn't that surprise me.Perhaps because you know I am aware that you're a fraud.
Then perhaps for those interested enough, you could produce some evidence of my "fraudulent" behavior?
Meanwhile, after all of your shite and crap that you continuously spew all over other peoples threads because of your own theological inability to converse and debate with the slightest bit of civility , you now won't be creating five new threads of your own questions. No one will be surprised about that I am sure.
I understand you cannot cope with these biblical realizations that I am highlighting, that is because no one has ever prepared or readied you to face what these scriptures are all about. And you haven't even tried to study them yourself. You are a true member of the flock; that is to say you are a follower and never could be a leader. Maybe that is your hang up.
Under normal circumstances I would have a bit of sympathy and pity for you. But you are such a backpedaling pig headed lying person of hypocritical double standards and I am not religious in the slightest , I don't have any of either for you.
You have blatantly shown that between yourself and another member here that your only single intention is to "work on " me to shut me up and get me banned.
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@ethang5
The point is that you dodge all questions,
That's simply a lie. I have offered to answer all your questions on a thread of your own creation. You have failed to produce one.
So , after all your shite and crap you continuously spew all over other peoples threads because of your own inability to converse and debate with the slightest bit of civility , you now won't be creating five new threads of your own questions. Why doesn't that surprise me.
I understand you cannot cope with these biblical realizations, that is because no one has ever prepared or readied you to face what these scriptures are all about.
Under normal circumstances I would have a bit of sympathy and pity for you. But you are such a vile pig headed person and I am not religious , so I won't.
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@ethang5
In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.Unlike you. But then foolishness is your forté isn't it?
As I said. In Jobs mind he was more concerned that his god may not trust him to be loyal and faithful through it all, than he ever was about his own flesh and blood. But god knew all along that Job wouldn't lose faith, but killed his children regardless.
And Job received his reward;
12 "fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys".
I suppose in those days it was fair exchange where life was so fkn cheap...... to god.
Nice to see for once you have no problem with my assessment of this story only that I am foolish to shoulder all the blame on god. Well let me tell, you; I cannot see anyone else to blame for the loss of life and desolation in the whole of this story.
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@ethang5
I only said I could make 5 threads out of the questions you've dodged.
Then lets have em. Stop bragging . I'm sick of your trolling, your bluster and absolute bullshit simply to destroy threads that you cannot handle simply because they go against your fkn beliefs and are too tough and theologically deep for you to cope with without lying and deceitful tactics.. .
Try something fkn theologically constructive just for once!!!
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@EtrnlVw
I have no intent on getting anyone banned,
Of course you will say that now.
But this is clearly you saying that you and your buddy ethang will have to "work on me" after your jubilation and excitement at seeing another member banned.
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Or does the "we" in that quote mean someone else entirely? And just explain to those reading here what it is that you actually mean by you and ethang have to "work on me".
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@EtrnlVw
Like I have said, your attention to detail will be your down fall.
You have posted a PRIVATE MAIL on the open forum at post 57 above, it is STRICTLY PROHIBITED!!!!
PM Doxxing
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@EtrnlVw
I agree it was obviously a schoolboy mistake for you to make. But it was clearly your attention span that I had brought into question.So in other words you feel like an idiot because.
Not at all. You see, again you are not paying attention AGAIN, are you? Or didn't I explain clear enough for you?
I'll try once more. Try and stay alert and put away anything shiny in your room that may distract you , it will only take a moment.
AFTER I brought into question your attention span telling you yet again that it has a very very short duration.
You went on to prove me absolutely correct with this silly school boy mistake below which clearly proved my point.
EtrnlVw wrote; Since Jesus WAS baptized by Jesus, my answer is still "Why would they expect others to perform something they had not underwent themselves?"It doesn't matter that John was not baptized, he wanted to be baptized, so my answers are the same.
Now then. I did notice that you did correct dumb schoolboy error some time after, but your correction sadly couldn't correct your original silly schoolboy mistake that showed your attentions span to be extremely poor.
Now then. I have noticed there are far too many questions for you to cope with above, so why don't we try just 2 or 3 at a time and hope you can stay alert long enough to read them.
Why would John “need” to be baptised twice?
Who baptised John in the first place?
Why didn’t Jesus baptise John the Baptist after John had said “I need to be baptized by you”? Matthew 3:14
Take your time, and remember , it may help to remove or cover anything shiny or reflective in your bedroom that will distract you.
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@Pinkfreud08
Yes. And all the arguments that I have heard not to legalize it don't hold up for the best part. IMO.
I am willing to change my mind should someone present a good case.
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@ethang5
In how many threads did you call me poppoff? Hmmm kettle?
Likening you to a world famous fraudulent CHRISTIAN preacher such as Peter Popoff on various topics is a far cry from you inferring a preacher member here 'had caught a sexually transmitted disease from a prostitute' that he was trying to save from the street.
And it isn't chasing someone around the forum continually harassing and badgering someone with the same fkn question that has nothing to do with this thread AT ALL
this is you at Post 64 above isn't it?
-> @ethang5 wrote : By the way, how did your prostitution ministry go? Hope you didn't return with more than you went with.
You won't answer, but expect Christians to answer you.
Why haven't you started just one of those "five different threads" you have been threatening to create. I will gladly answer you questions on your own thread.
I haven't missed the fact that you have only ever created 3 threads in the religious sub forum and two of those are not really religious related. Why is that.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Job died in his early 200s , so something was responsible for his early death.
Depends who you believe -: 16 After this lived Job an hundred and forty years, Job 42:16-17
But indeed , this very loyal servant of the Lord and who had eschewed all evil all of his days lived are extremely short life didn't he? He was here and gone in a flash when compared to Methuselah that lived just 31 years shy of a 1,000 years,
Favoritism , eh, tut
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@ethang5
How did I do?Sorry, but I don't think reading some moron atheist's take on Job can substitute for reading the actual work.
So, as I suspected, I was right on the money them. I though so. Plain as the nose on ya face all along really , wasn't it?
Here you are. A quick lesson in what an absolute bastard god and his friend satan was to a loyal servant Job.
Job 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters.
3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east.
4 And his sons went and feasted in their houses, every one his day; and sent and called for their three sisters to eat and to drink with them.
5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.
13 And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:
14 And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:
15 And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
16 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed them; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
17 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, The Chaldeans made out three bands, and fell upon the camels, and have carried them away, yea, and slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
18 While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house:
19 And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.
20 Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.
22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly.
AT 42 :12 -17 god was, I admit, nice enough to bless Job and restore any loses accrued during this gambling session with Satan. indeed god soothed jobs broken heart and whining and put a stop to his mantle renting and head shaving, by giving him:
12 "fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys".
I suppose in them days it was fair exchange where life was so fkn cheap, to god
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@ethang5
The question really is, have you read the book of Job?
Yes.
God kills Job's children. But that's ok because after gods little joke god gives him more sons and thousands of head of livestock and Job doesn't shed a fucking tear over his murdered children and neither does god or his best buddy betting partner Satan. No, you see, possessions including his own innocent children it seemed, were simply easy come easy go. So we have to wonder what the twat Job was moaning about and renting his mantle, and why shaved his head for in the first place.
No, in Jobs mind he was more concerned that his god may not trust him to be loyal and faithful through it all than he ever was about his own flesh and blood. But god knew all along that Job wouldn't lose faith, but killed his children regardless.
How did I do?
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@ethang5
And then the paranoid genius posts a wall-o-text about, you guessed it, a plot. Lol
You both admit openly what your intentions are . I haven't made it up, you both agree that you are going to "work on me " until I am gone. There is nothing "paranoid " about it. You BOTH show your intent. LOOK>>> post 34 above "we may have to work on Stevie though,". <<<<<that shows your intent and "we" means BOTH of you.
This is nothing short of a combined effort by two members to cause the banning of another.
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You won't answer, but expect Christians to answer you.
Why haven't you started just one of those "five different threads" you have been threatening to create. I will gladly answer you questions on your own thread.
I haven't missed the fact that you have only ever created 3 threads in the religious sub forum and two of those are not really religious related. Why is that.
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@Mopac
If the church's answer is the one you categorically reject, it is because you don't want the truth.
No. Its simply because I don't believe it or the church.
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@SirAnonymous
It took me a few minutes to realize this wasn't satire. Who ever heard of a fat terrorist?
Can you imagine the mess if he ever got the chance to blow himself up, lolololo There would be enough there to feed five thousand. With some left over LOLOOLOL
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@Swagnarok
Allahu snackbar(No offense to practicing Muslims intended)
" BLASPHEMY!!!! Death to where ever it is you come from"
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@bmdrocks21
The way he is posed here; if his head removed, he would look like one of those massive oven ready turkeys at and Christmas time or Thanks Giving.
My eyes are watering , I am finding it hard to see and type and my ribs are hurting. LOLOLOLOLO
“Good luck hanging him Iraq.”
LOLOLOLOL
I am trying to picture the gallows.
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@Mopac
-> @Stephen What is there to answer?
To what? And why are you asking me questions while ignoring completely the questions in the OP?
The answer is always what the church teaches?
Not for me . You can make excuses all day long for these contradictory ambiguous half stories but explain them , you cannot.
Now please, either go to the OP read the questions and if you cannot explain them simply leave the thread. I do not want a religious sermon from you about your church or your fkn "ultimate reality". And I don't want to clutter up my own thread by fkn repeating myself and re posting questions that you intentional keep ignoring.
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@Mopac
To hold God to the same standards as people is not unlike expecting animals to do people stuff.
In his own image leaps to mind.
You talk of God as if he was like people.
In his own image leaps to mind.
God is The Ultimate Reality, not human being or a human like being.
God (if the bible is to be believed) is flesh and blood. He ate, he drank, and cheated to win a wrestling match. His sons raped earthly women. God also, like me, recognized that there were other gods. God, like humans, caused war and murdered thousands. These are biblical facts. This is what you inherited when early Christians adopted another cultures ancient religious beliefs without understanding it.
Your trouble now of course , is that you have to defend this bloodthirsty manic , with absolute bullshit and make things up as you go and when a problematic question is posed to you. Then you attempt to make out that you know and understand perfectly what this being called "god" was thinking why he thought it and why he did such heinous things in ancient times millennia ago.
Judging God is as silly as holding an earthquake morally accountable.
Stop it! FFS!
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@bmdrocks21
Did you see the size of him in the link!!! ?
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Click link below to see the size of him.
He put the fat in fatwa.
A morbidly obese ISIS fanatic dubbed “Jabba the Jihadi” has been captured by Iraqi forces — who loaded him onto a flatbed truck because he couldn’t fit in a police car.
The 560-pound mufti Abu Abdul Bari, also known as Shifa al-Nima, was nabbed Thursday by an elite SWAT team of the Nineveh regiment in the city of Mosul, according to Stars and Stripes.
The jumbo jihadist was known for “provocative speeches against the security forces” and is considered one of the top leaders of “ISIS gangs,” Iraqi security officials said in a statement.
Bari issued religious decrees — or fatwas — ordering the execution of scholars and clerics who refused to pledge allegiance to ISIS when the terror group occupied the city, the statement said.
During the heyday of the group’s self-styled caliphate in 2014, he also ordered the destruction of a mosque built at the site believed to be the burial place of the biblical prophet Jonah, who once had a famous encounter with a whale.
Maajid Nawaz, [ a self confessed terrorist recruiter and ex jailbird rewarded with a top job with a popular Radio Station in England LBC] founder of the London-based anti-extremism think Quilliam, also shared images of the heavyweight’s arrest.
“He was so overweight, maybe from remaining sedentary in his hiding place, that he had to be taken by police in the back of a pick up truck,” he wrote on Facebook.
“Most religious justifications provided to ISIS for enslaving, raping, torturing, ethnic cleansing & massacring Iraqis, Syrians & others are from this paltry beast who can’t even stand on his own two legs,” he wrote.
“Do not underestimate the psychological blow the image of this obese monster being arrested is to ISIS. Gluttony is frowned upon by jihadists. But also, ISIS branded themselves as fighters possessing rare courage & discipline… meanwhile this walrus was their top religious cleric.”
And in an ode to the epic space saga, he added: “Today was a good day for the Force & a bad day for evil.”
Macer Gifford, a British citizen who fought with a US-backed Kurdish militia in Syria, applauded the arrest and compared Bari to the slug-like gang lord of the Star Wars universe who lived on the desert planet Tatooine.
“I’m delighted to say that the Islamic State’s very own Jabba the Hutt has been captured in Mosul,” he said in a tweet.
“As long as the Devil bastes him properly Shifa al Nima should crisp nicely in hell… He literally looks like the world’s biggest chicken,” Gifford said.
Referring to Bari’s heft, he added: “Good luck hanging him Iraq.”
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@ethang5
I read the CoC again and saw this I missed the first time around.Other Prohibited Conduct:Contravening or Disregarding ModerationFailing to obey or adhere to licit orders issued by a mod acting within their authority is prohibited.So I re-read the whole thing. The CoC is much better. It's clearer and has guts.
That is nice to hear. What about this one?
LOOK>>>
4. Cross-Thread ContaminationCross-thread contamination is when a user brings up disputes elsewhere on the site up in an unrelated thread for the purpose of harassing, mocking, or insulting another member. Treat every new exchange with a member with as much of a "clean slate" as possible.
I have TWO extremely good examples of YOU RECENTLY and blatantly breaking that rule 4 with what appears to be impunity.
On this thread Posts9,16,17,18,19,20,23,25,26,30,32,52
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3524/how-much-more-of-this-nonsense-are-we-supposed-to-take?Then you take THE SAME unnecessary argument to this thread
One Of The Most Enigmatic Verse In All Christianity
Posts 94, 96,97,98,99,100
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3347/one-of-the-most-enigmatic-verse-in-all-christianity?page=4
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I will leave the Brother D Thomas to sort out his own case of you cross contaminating a thread with another unnecessary argument here post 65
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3544/when-christian-children-do-not-obey-their-parents?page=3
Where you harass him with the same question over and over from this thread here at posts 20,28,37,41,and 52
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@ethang5
All n8nrgmi is saying is that God should follow his personal moral code, and because he doesn't, God is immoral.
Then he is letting god off externally light , isn't he? You should be pleased and high -fiveing the fellow members of your Christian flock.
Especially when god himself admits to being a jealous warmongering murderer of who won't think twice about killing children and little animals if he doesn't get his own way.
He destroyed a mans whole family, house , servants and livestock once just for a bet and out of sheer boredom. Have you not read the book of Job.
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@ethang5
This thread is to do with - "When Christian children do not obey their parents!"
not
"What is baptism of repentance?"The question is still waiting for you Mr. True Christian.And when you grow a spine and answer it, I will show you how and why you were wrondg to think baptism saves, and how the verses you offered were not referring to the baptism of John, but the baptism of repentance.Till then, you get tossed for lolz.By the way, how did your prostitution ministry go? Hope you didn't return with more than you went with.Lol.
Stop cross threading and contaminating other peoples topics with your uncalled for and unnecessary barbed jibes and mocking AGAIN!!!! You have kept asking this question on another thread and won't let up. You chased me over and over doing the same thing on other threads too, what pleasure do you actaully get from doing this? Seriously, what pleasure do you actually get!? Why are you intentionally and willfully doing this when you know it is strictly against the rules that you signed up for?
LOOK>>> 4. Cross-Thread Contamination
Cross-thread contamination is when a user brings up disputes elsewhere on the site up in an unrelated thread for the purpose of harassing, mocking, or insulting another member. Treat every new exchange with a member with as much of a "clean slate" as possible.
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After all this time you still have no idea about my beliefs lol.
This thread has simply enabled you to talk fluffy about your god. It doesn't challenge your theological beliefs or knowledge in the slightest.
Try these>>>> Post 21
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@EtrnlVw
Just to remind you both, the thread is about abortion, it is not about a plot by two members working together to get another member banned
we may have to work on Stevie though, looks like he's starting to pop.
I haven't been anywhere to "start" popping up. Unlike your tag partner, ethang5 . But like I have mentioned to you before, is all have to do is keep putting in the bullets for him and he will surely fire them. He is so gullible that he will fall for it every time.
Or have you already forgotten what happened to him the last time you goaded and encouraged him to "work on me"?
here ya go
Post 15
EtrnlVw wrote: You have the patience of a Godparent lol, thank God you're here to deal with the troll
To which your partner proudly announced;
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-> @ethang5 Just doing my job Sir. ; )
And the between your goading and encouragement and his own repetitious lies and deception, this happened>>> Post 18
Date: 12/23/2019
Moderator: Joint-moderator decision
ethang5 has been banned for 14-days for a continuous pattern of violations of the personal attacks section of the COC, with hate speech serving as an aggravating factor.
I can only admire the alertness of moderation concerning your joint attempted efforts to "work on me" to cause another member to be banned. Lets hope they are noticing and just as alert to your efforts this time around to "work on me" between you as you mention at post 34 above.
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Don't know why I'm even answering this,
Neither do I . It won't be long before you lose thread caused by something shiny in your bedroom and you will be wondering what you was doing at your PC in the first place.
The Kingdom of God is without the need for clinging to material possessions
And have you given away all of your earthly possessions except for your computer and your phone and TV, to a poor person?
I see, so Job, Joseph of Aramathea and Nicodemus gave way all of their wealth an possessions did they, to poor people, did they?
I bet they felt really good about themselves then. AND I bet that the recipient of all these hard earned over a life time worldly goods was so pleased to have all these worldly possessions earned, bought and paid for by someone else just drop into their laps.
Who do you think Jesus was talking about when he spoke of "the poor" in the New Testament?
And the "kingdom of god" is not a place but simply means going without.
Strange I feel that these promised things i.e. everlasting life , going to heaven, being part of the "kingdom of god" all come after one is DEAD! and has given every penny away, to "the poor".
If you are simply trying to tell me that we can do without our possessions, just say so. But I will tell you this first: It doesn't take a religious fawning sycophant and a belief in a god to realise that there is a difference between need and want.
And as interesting your responses are , you have only quoted more unreliable verses from the same unreliable source.
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@Mopac
Mopac. First of all let ME bring it to YOUR attention, that you have joined this conversation willingly and of your own free will and that you was not dragged here kicking and screaming.
SO do not start calling me names and telling me to leave you alone and stop asking you questions. The thread IS QUESTIONS.
Now , to your comment.
With God, anything is possible.
If you believe that of course. But this still doesn't square Jesus's association with the rich and famous and the possibility of them entering the "kingdom of god" does it Mopac? And you have avoided (though not surprisingly) all the questions.
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your lame paraphrases
So you keep saying . I am still waiting for you to start these threads that you have been threatening to create. Is all we have had is Emperors new clothes, so far.
I could make 5 separate threads on the questions of mine you've dodged.
Please, Please, then do it. I would be very interested.
Meantime try answering these awkward and embarrassing questions.
QUESTIONS GONE UNANSWERED BY THE RESIDENT DEVOUT.
What had caused John the Baptist, the greatest prophet and "more than a prophet" to doubt Jesus in the first place?
Why would John “need” to be baptised twice.
Who baptised John in the first place
What was the reason behind this particular baptism of Jesus?
And why did Jesus come to John for this anointing?
What authority did John have to perform such a ritual?
Where, as was asked in the scripture, did John get such authority?
What qualified John to perform this ritual?
Why didn’t Jesus baptise John the Baptiser after John had said “I need to be baptized by you”? Matthew 3:14
Why did the Baptist say “I NEED to be” Baptised by Jesus?
Why was “the greatest prophet that ever lived” so mistaken and confused as to whom should be baptising whom?
What caused John to believe that Jesus should be baptizing him in the first place?Matthew 3:13
Why John had forbid Jesus to be baptized in the first place?
Why did John ... the baptizer,eventually agree to baptize Jesus after he had “forbade him” to be, - that is to say John the Baptist refused to allow, Jesus to be baptized. So whatever could have caused John to change of mind? Matthew 3:14 King James Version (KJV)
How did John the Baptist recognise Jesus as “the one to come after him”? John’s gospel at first says:
John1 : 29 “The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith,Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world”.
But he doesn’t tell us how he knew it to be him?
John’s gospel later adds this: John 1 : 32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
And at John 1 : 33 John, for some unfathomable reason tells us that he didn’t even know Jesus. This; after pointing him out as the Lamb of God just three verses earlier at verse 29!?
And then at 34 The Baptist spouts this: “I have seen and I testify that this is God’s Chosen One. How did he know”?
What caused John the Baptist to lose his faith and doubt concerning if or not Jesus was indeed the “Chosen one to come”? John was after all, the “greatest prophet to have ever lived”.
Matthew 11:1-3
“Art thou he that should come,or do we look for another”?
They may as well have started looking for another messiah as this particular “Chosen one” was to go on to fail in his mission whatever one chooses believe that mission was. Besides, there were plenty of Messiahs around in Palestine at the time and all vying for a piece of the action, the choice must have been overwhelming for the illiterate gullible masses.
It also appears that "ALL" believed or at least questioned if or not the baptist himself was the Messiah!!!
Luke 3:15 King JamesVersion (KJV)
15 And as the people were in expectation, and all men mused in their hearts of John, whether he were the Christ, or not
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