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Liberal hate filled snowflakes.
And anyone who believes that there is no room for 'paganism' in today's ' multicultural' society those that pander to them.
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Actually the government did look into it lying piece of shit cheese.
Yes I have read one report but it fails to mention which group or groups are on the receiving end of this alleged "racism" by these so called "far right" groups. It doesn't mention how the runes are actually used by the groups , it doesn't mention how they amount to "hatred" and it doesn't mention any 'victims' that these runes are supposed to have claimed. I mean, who is actually 'offended' by these ancient Swedish symbols?
I think it is absolutely diabolical that something that has been a part of a nation's history for thousands of years can all of a sudden become so distasteful or abhorrent that someone wants to eradicate and wipe them from it's own history and memory completely as if they never existed? I mean, what group would demand that?
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@keithprosser
I am surprised that people are - apparently -willing accept nonsense at face value.
I am not surprised that you start threads and then abandon them as soon as you are challenged on your own statements in the very threads that you have started.
OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THESE?
Why Is Islam Backwards?
Alabama - Where Sharia Is not harsh enough.
You have many unanswered questions on both these threads that you started but have simply deserted them. Why?
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@disgusted
I don't know was it him?
Well we all know that you know absolutely fuckall . And It was a question I asked because I don't fkn know either you buffoon.
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Qaisar Mahmood he of the National Heritage Board of Sweden,wasn't it he who spread the fake news that the word "Allah" appeared on a viking burial cloth but was quickly debunked by a professor of medieval art and archeology in Texas ?
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Do you feel the government has a legitimate stance on the issue?
No they don't. They wouldn't dare ban Islamic ideology or even parts of it. Imagine if the Swedish government tried to ban the Islamic symbolism or the verse on the islamic flag that isis parade at every turn which is most certainly a symbol of hate to many including apostate muslims.
Should all members of a religion be forbidden to engage in parts of their faith being exploited by hate groups?
No. It is up to government to outlaw the so called " hate groups" but with legitimate & legal reasons and not because someone or another ' grouop' is ' offended' by what they preach.
I find it amusing that these people such as the Social Democratic Minister of Justice Morgan Johansson who is behind the initiative actually believe that by doing away with these ancient and historical runes that is will somehow be the end of so called hate groups that allegedly preach hate. This all smells to me of appeasement. Who for instance does the report state who are the people on the end of this alleged "hate". It seems to me that someone is working on dismantling Swedish heritage and culture as is happening here in the UK and across Europe.
Is it any coincidence that Sweden has appointed a Pakistani Muslim Head of the National Heritage Board?
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@disgusted
You have no idea what morality is, do you?
Pot kettle . You have no idea about a lot of things . You just spout shite claims and then fail to support your shite claims when repeatedly asked to do so, yet, insist on others supporting the claims they make.
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@WisdomofAges
SAVE ? no...the word is USED as a clever TOOL
Absolutely correct, in my opinion, WOA. We was created as a slave race of beings - to till the earth - do the bidding of the lords as the theory goes and I have no trouble believing it.
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@keithprosser
My ideal is close to a 'tame' form of Islam everywhere, as I see no prospect of eradicating religion in the foreseeable future.
So Islam isn't "tame" then? So are you now suggesting it is wild and untamed or even barbaric?
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@disgusted
Saved from what numpty? See if you can buy a thought.
Look at the definition you buffoon. Couldn't you see it or couldn't you read it. So when you read the D-E-FI-N-I-T-I-O-N it clear states saved or delivered from harm,ruin or loss. So now you know this, you can go onto answering my questions.
Don't think these wild claims of YOURS! are going to fade away anytime soon.
"we have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
Prove it.
We all exist in the same reality
Prove it.
the word god did not even exist before the middle ages?
Prove it.
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@disgusted
What do Christians need saving from?
Salvation, means preservation or deliverance from harm, ruin, or loss. Did you not "google the word" first to get some comprehension as to what the word actually meant? If you had there wouldn't have been any need for your now, redundant question.
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@disgusted
You said that these so called gods are " Ignorant, primitive, superstitious savages...Citation needed.
Ignorant, primitive, superstitious savages
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You said that these so called gods are " Ignorant, primitive, superstitious savages...Citation needed
This title of your thread states clearly that you have wrote the words "ignorant , primitive, superstitious savages". Or did someone else write them for you?
Can anyone be so backward than to ask for a citation for something they themselves have said. The title of your own thread confirms what you have said in your own words and print. Or are you going to tell those of us reading here that you didn't write any of the words I say you have wrote?
And don't think these wild claims are going to fade away anytime soon.
"we have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
Prove it.
We all exist in the same reality
Prove it.
the word god did not even exist before the middle ages?
Prove it.
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@secularmerlin
you are clearly far to upset at this time.
Annoyed, is what I am. I can assure you this bully boy doesn't upset me in the slightest. I am annoyed that this bully has gotten away with his bullying double standards and hypocrisy for so long .
I wanted to have a duscusdion with you....
You could always start a thread and invite the resident bully boy hypocrite with double standards to a discussion on why he believes that
"we [humans] have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
Or why he believes a Hollywood star or a multi millionaire lawyer share the same reality as a bushman in Papua New Guinea?
Or to produced his evidence for the word god not even existing before the middle ages?
But you will have to get used to him not accepting facts that fly in the face of his statements and claims.
If for instance if you mention early the 19th century Jean-Baptiste Lamarck who proposed his theory of the transmutation of species, the first fully formed theory of evolution. He will deny your evidence and tell you to "go read a book". or to "google" something
If of course you mention Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace's publication of their evolutionary theory which is explained in detail in Darwin's On the Origin of Species he will tell you
A person, you, who doesn't understand the word theory is in no position to discuss the ToE but especially a person who thinks that Darwin proposed the ToE is just too ignorant to discuss anything.
So you see,this is what you will be up against, this bullying buffoon who doesn't believe Darwin even proposed a theory on evolution! So you cannot say you haven't been warned.
Good luck.
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@Snoopy
You missed the point : "Not one of them, Deb, have enough care for children"
No I didn't miss anything. But you appear to have cut of the end of his pathetic statement which ends _ " to ask for a cure for childhood cancer".
And I have said I am sure many christians have prayed for many things including caring enough for children to ask for a cure for cancer.
Here is his pathetic post # 3 above;
Not one of them, Deb, have enough care for children to ask for a cure for childhood cancer. Surely their omniscient god knows the answer and caresas little as his supplicants do.
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@secularmerlin
I doubt disgusted meant that people are alligators or trees.
That's right, people are people and not alligators or trees,even our resident bone head knows that .....doesn't he.... surely?
I just want his to support his claims that:
"we have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
Or why he believes a Hollywood star or a multi millionaire lawyer share the same reality as a bushman in Papua New Guinea?
Or produced his evidence for the word god not even existing before the middle ages?
He's so fucking quick to bully others for proof, supporting evidence , citations, yet runs a fkn mile when challenged to do the same.
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@disgusted
Yes the people who wrote their holy books in which they invented their god ..blah blah blah
You said that these so called gods are " Ignorant, primitive, superstitious savages... " I have simply said "Not to the the faithful "god believers" they are not, or can you prove otherwise? Can't you read!?? And you haven't shown me otherwise. Because it is an impossibility for you to show me a faithful follower of Christ who believes he or his god to be any of those thing you have proposed.
Well it's obvious that god's can't think because they don't exist,
But that hasn't stopped you suggesting that - " their omniscient god knows the answer" . Why have you even suggested this god cares and "knows answers" while you have also said in the same sentence that he doesn't exist. Do you not see your contradiction or are you just babbling for the sake of it?
There is no conclusive evidence that a bible Jesus ever existed,
Then how come you can tell us, and the world,that he preached communism? That's a bit silly isn't it, telling us what someone preached when
"there is no conclusive evidence for his existence"?
How do you know that "not one of them" doesn't ask in prayer for cures for many things including cancer. You have absolutely no evidence for that wild throwaway claim , do you?Your right I don't,
That's correct, You don't know do you? You have just made a silly claim that you cannot support AGAIN!!!!!
but they either haven't been given an answer implying that none of their gods care about children
Yes so, what's new. My children and now grandchildren make these very obvious observations. your not the first. Do you believe you are asking questions or informing us of something we haven't asked ourself or considered ourselves? Do you believe that you are revealing to us something never before considered or pondered or discussed in our whole lives!? My, you really are up yourself aren't you? Besides , the faithful may well believe their prayers have been answered if their sick child has indeed recovered from some terrible disease or pulled through what should have been a fatal accident.
because they haven't passed on that information to the people who could do something with it.
There you go again, "THEY" haven't passed on something. You don't even believe in these gods do you so what are you expecting from these non existing gods?
Your MASSIVE problem is that you attack the faithful and not what the faithful actually have faith in. You do this because they are the easier target. It is bullying. Why do you not simply dissect their scriptures instead of calling their ("non existent") gods, names, and regurgitating questions and thoughts that children have been asking for millenia? Or is that far too academic for you to consider?
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@disgusted
Not one of them, Deb, have enough care for children to ask for a cure for childhood cancer.
How do you know that "not one of them" doesn't ask in prayer for cures for many things including cancer. You have absolutely no evidence for that wild throwaway claim , do you?
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@secularmerlin
I do not speak for disgusted and rarely engage him for pretty much the reasons you have pointed out.
That is perfectly understandable.
And I apologise if I came over abrupt. I am annoyed that this vile bastard has been allowed to get away with his badgering and bullying for so long. He knows christians cannot prove anything faith based, but it doesn't stop the coward heckling and bullying. But maybe I will discuss some issues with you some other time when disgusted has educated us all with his wisdom and knowledge on how and why he believes that
"we have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
Or why he believes a Hollywood star or a multi millionaire lawyer share the same reality as a bushman in Papua New Guinea?
Or produced his evidence for the word god not even existing before the middle ages?
He's so fucking quick to bully others for proof, supporting evidence , citations, yet runs a fkn mile when challenged to do the same.
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@secularmerlin
I only asked if there was any reason to believe something
That and " before "WE move on" is what you have said. Who the FK are you to tell anyone before "we move on" that I should answer your FKN questions. If you want to discuss natural selection start a thread and invite the forum philosopher, physicist,scientist,naturalist, geologist, archaeologist, theologist and all round egghead, to join you. It shouldn't take more than a couple of posts to run rings around him. Meanwhile I am still waiting for the doughnut to support his claims as he persistently demands of others.
So, you move on and let the forum bully boy speak for himself.
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@disgusted
Ignorant, primitive, superstitious savages........ .. Are the rulers of every god believer on the planet
Not to the the faithful "god believers" they are not, or can you prove otherwise?
How can anybody be gullible enough to believe what those ignorant savages thought?
How do you know what these ancient gods thought? Considering you don't even believe in their existence.
Your not even sure if Jesus existed or not but tell us that he preached communism. You really are a confused little bully boy aren't you? Ok time for some answers to your own statements above.
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@disgusted
Can you just stop demonstrating your pig ignorance
I want you to explain your claims. Simply defaulting to , "read a book" every time you are challenged on your stupid and ill thought out claims is not you answering questions on your claims, I want you to prove it, you silly boy. You wouldn't accept that response to your questions from others , would you, bully boy?
Shouting "the theory of evolution" is not you proving your claim that we all evolved exactly the same way. I want you to prove it.
Telling me to "google" something is not you proving your claim that "the word god did not exist before the middle ages". I want you to prove it.
Telling me to "read a book" is not you proving how a Bushman from Papua lives in the "same reality" as a hollywood movie star or a high flying multi millionaire lawyer, I want you to prove it.
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@secularmerlin
Before we move on .....
Before "we" move anywhere it about time this vile bully boy stopped demanding things of others that he is not prepared to do himself, the coward.
Lets have proof of his claims.
is there some reason to suspect that humans did not evolve through a process of adaptation determined by natural selection?
What I believe on the matter is irrelevant. I didn't make the fkn claim or any cliam regarding how homosapiens got here. But the resident anthropologist has done so and I want the resident egghead bully boy to explain to us all how he comes to the conclusion that
"we have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
Telling me to "read a book" does not go anywhere in explaining his claim. So let the bully boy speak for himself he doesn't need you to bail him out of the fkn great holes he repeatedly digs for himself.
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@disgusted
> @disgusted Everyone lives in the same reality,You were born on a planet spinning at ~1000 mph and hurtling through space at ~ 63,000 mph and you will die and no longer exist, that's reality.Another Profound statement from our resident philosopher, physicist,scientist,naturalist, geologist, archaeologist, theologist and all round egghead. Now is all he has to do is produce the evidence to support his claim.Done above, you can read it but you aren't capable of understanding it.For instance:how does the reality of a bushman from Papua New Guinea compare to the reality of Hollywood star multi millionaire George Clooney and his multimillionaire wife Amal Clooney the British barrister who specialising in international law and human rights and who jointly own over 30 properties worth billions?Read what reality is.
I want you to explain your claims. Simply defaulting to , "read a book" every time you are challenged on your stupid and ill thought out claims is not you answering questions on your claims, I want you to prove it, you silly boy. You wouldn't accept that response to your questions from others , would you, bully boy?
Shouting "the theory of evolution" is not you proving that we all evolve exactly the same way. I want you to prove it.
Telling me to google something is not you proving your claim that "the word god did not exist before the middle ages". I want you to prove it.
OR SIMPLY STOP DEMANDING EVIDENCE OF OTHERS THAT YOU KNOW ONLY EXISTS IN THE MINDS OF THE FAITHFUL! You fkn vile bullying coward!
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@disgusted
We have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
And you still haven't proved it, you buffoon.
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@secularmerlin
He never ever supports any of his ill thought out claims, ever, but demands supporting evidence of others. He will bully and badger and harass with the same old childish questions. I believe he is very sick and lonely. This is probably why he is the most vile person I have ever come across in a forum.
Arguing Christianity and questioning the bible is one thing. But hammering and pressuring people simply because they have a faith, is sick. He gets a kick from it. He never comes up with anything original or even debatable. My grandchildren are more creative in their questions on the subject than he could ever wish to be.
He is a vile individual who picks on the weak and defenceless and this makes him a fkn bullyboy.
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@secularmerlin
This feud you two have been having on so many threads of late.
I am sick of this bully demanding proof and evidence and citations of others to support their claims when this FKN out right bully never ever supports his claims while demanding others do.
It seems like disgusted once said humans evolved just like everything else did
That's right. The buffoon made an outrageous claim that I know he cannot back up, but, like he insists of others, I want him to prove his fKN claim . This was his ill thought out claim as ALL of his FKN claims are:
--> @disgusted We have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
This simply isn't true as you have so rightly shown. For instance an alligator one of the oldest creatures living - is still an alligator, it has not "evolved" into anything like a human or a fKN monkey for that matter. But the resident bullying buffoon will have us believe - without evidence - that " We have evolved exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"? I want the clown to prove it.
We didn't evolve into trees or frogs or emus all of which have their own evolutionary line!
Which is not then, " exactly by the same evolutionary process" as the resident bonehead buffon claims. I want him to support his claims.
Such as this stupid statement:
--> @disgusted Everyone lives in the same reality,
Another Profound statement from our resident philosopher, physicist,scientist,naturalist, geologist, archaeologist, theologist and all round egghead. Now is all he has to do is produce the evidence to support his claim.
For instance:how does the reality of a bushman from Papua New Guinea compare to the reality of Hollywood star multi millionaire George Clooney and his multimillionaire wife Amal Clooney the British barrister who specialising in international law and human rights and who jointly own over 30 properties worth billions?
I am still waiting, for a answer . But he just ignores and runs away crying to mods that I am picking on him while he is forever bullying Christians who simply cannot answer faith based questions on their beliefs. He goes for the easy target because he's a fucking bully and a coward who should be banned.
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@disgusted
Christians shouldn't be challenged on their nonsense because they have no way to defend their nonsense, what sort of fool proposes such an ignorant idea?
What are you on about you clown? I didn't say that Christians shouldn't be challenged. What I am saying to YOU is that CONTINUOUSLY and REPEATEDLY asking for proof that YOU KNOW damn well isn't coming makes you sound like the petulant child that keeps asking mommy for sweets when she's has said NO a billion times.. You are a FKN bully and a braggart who knows absolutely FK ALL!
Get an education
Why don't you explain it all to us. You said that you "always support your claims " and have failed on the last three claims that you have made. But insist and demand others support their own claims.
google the ToE
I don't have to. I read it DARWIN'S theory of Evolution over 40 years ago. I have read a few other theories about evolution too. The latest (but not new) is that we come from water mammals, one which Attenborough is now said to subscribe to.
We have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
"YOU PROVE IT"! Simply back it up.
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@disgusted
We all see who the ignorant buffoon is.
Yes "we do" it is YOU!
So that is another failure to backup your stupid claims.
Keep em coming. I love showing you up for what you are. An empty headed bully braggart , who always goes for the low hanging fruit.
My grandchildren ask better informed and educated questions of Christians than you ever do or could. You know Christians cannot prove there is a god but you still ask questions about their god that YOU don't even believe in yourself. Your buffoonery knows no bounds.
You know it impossible for Christians to prove a negative and that all of their beliefs are TOTALLY faith based, but still you bang out the same old claptrap questions asking for proof that YOU KNOW is never going to come. You are a bully and a coward who runs away when challenged on your own fkn claims. You should be banned.
Come on , "WE" are still waiting for you to support this bullshit claim;
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"we have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
"YOU PROVE IT"! Simply back it up. You have claimed something that even Darwin and Wallace couldn't explain. Explain to us all with supporting evidence the appearance of humans
WHAT ABOUT THIS that you have left unsupported also;
--> @ disgusted prior to the middle ages the word god didn't exist,
And you can show us all your evidence for that claim can you? Let's seeit then.
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I know what we can all agree on and that is that you have never read a word written about the ToE, or if you have you lack the intellectual capacity to understand what you've read.
Says the man who canot explain the appearance of homsapians even though he repeatedly spouts the phrase - "theory of evolution"
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"we have evolved by exactly thesame process as every other animal that has ever existed on thisplanet"?
"YOU PROVE IT"! Simply back it up. You have claimed something that even Darwin and Wallace couldn'texplain. Explain to us all with supporting evidence the appearance ofhumans. Just saying the words;"the theory of evolution" doesn't support what you claim. It is justa title of the proposed theory and nothing else.
Explain to us all what Darwin's Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection failed to explain. Or more precise:
Come on you buffoon and hurry up about it!
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@disgusted
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Prove it. All you do is regurgitate unsupportable claims, you have fantasies not facts.
Here he is once more, demanding evidence for claims made by others but never ever produces evidence for his own outrageous and preposterous claims.
Failures to produce. Cut out and keep failures by >>>>@ disgusted
@>>>>disgusted; prior to middle ages the word god didn't exist
And you can show us all your evidence for that claim can you? Let's see it then.
@>>>>disgusted; "we have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
"YOU PROVEIT"! Simply back it up. You have claimed something that even Darwin and Wallace couldn't explain. Explain To us all with supporting evidence the appearance of humans. Just saying the words; "the theory of evolution" doesn't support what you claim. It's just a title of the proposed theory and nothing else.
@>>>>disgusted;Everyone lives in the same reality,
Another profound statement from our resident philosopher, physicist, scientist,naturalist, geologist,archaeologist, theologist and all round egghead. Now is all he has to do is produce the evidence to support his claim. This should be extremely interesting.
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@disgusted
--> @disgustedprior to the middle ages the word god didn't exist,And you can show us all your evidence for that claim can you? Let's see it then.Get an education....
So , not surprisingly, that's another No, and failure to produce then. What a buffoon you are.
You continually demand evidence of others but alway fail to back up your own claims when called upon to do so.
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@disgusted
Prove it. All you do is regurgitate unsupportable claims, you have fantasies not facts.
Here he is once more, demanding evidence for claims made by others but never ever produces evidence for his own outrageous and preposterous claims.
Failures to produce. Cut out and keep failures by >>>>@ disgusted
@>>>>disgusted; prior to middle ages the word god didn't exist
And you can show us all your evidence for that claim can you? Let's see it then.
@>>>>disgusted; "we have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
"YOU PROVEIT"! Simply back it up. You have claimed something that even Darwin and Wallace couldn't explain. Explain To us all with supporting evidence the appearance of humans. Just saying the words; "the theory of evolution" doesn't support what you claim. It's just a title of the proposed theory and nothing else.
@>>>>disgusted;Everyone lives in the same reality,
Another profound statement from our resident philosopher, physicist, scientist,naturalist, geologist,archaeologist, theologist and all round egghead. Now is all he has to do is produce the evidence to support his claim. This should be extremely interesting.
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@disgusted
prior to the middle ages the word god didn't exist,
And you can show us all your evidence for that claim can you? Let's see it then.
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@disgusted
BTW neither Darwin nor Wallace had any knowledge of the ToE, but keep displaying your ignorance.PROVE IT!that's displaying it.
So that is another failure to support your FKN claims.
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@disgusted
BTW neither Darwin nor Wallace had any knowledge of the ToE, but keep displaying your ignorance.
PROVE IT!
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@disgusted
You never were worth talking to so just fuck off.
I see. You can't prove your claim after claiming that you always prove your claims. That's yet another claim you have made that from your response above has also gone unsupported and proven. That really does show your ignorance . So you have exactly NOTHING to support your bone headed claim that;
"we have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
But you sit there regularly demanding evidence of others to prove their claims. What double standards, what a hypocrite.
Would you like another go? Lets us recap:
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"we have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
"YOU PROVE IT"! Simply back it up. Explain to us all with supporting evidence the appearance of humans. Just saying the words; "the theory of evolution" doesn't support what you claim. It is just a title of the proposed theory and nothing else.
You have claimed something that even Darwin and Wallace couldn't explain.
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@Stronn
“Learning about evolution when I went away to college”“Religion is the opiate of the people”“Rational thought makes religion go out the window”“Lack of any sort of scientific or specific evidence of a creator”“I just realized somewhere along the line that I didn’t really believe it”“I’m doing a lot more learning, studying and kind of making decisions myself rather than listening to someone else.”
Exactly. It is just a crying shame the mopacs of the world can't force themselves to do the same.
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@disgusted
Humans didn't suddenly "spring".
Then is all you have to do is simply explain where it is you believe humans came from? According to both Darwin and Wallace there is no explanation as to how we "suddenly" appeared.
Humans evolved just as every life form to have ever existed on this planet.............see ToE.
OK now prove it. Show us all what Darwin and Wallace failed to do. Show us where in this theory it actually explains how through ToE that homesapiens came into being. Show us the proof that all Anthropologists have failed to show us. Come on, and FK hurry up about it.
There is no such thing as Darwin's theory of evolution,
There is; it is called Darwinism. try reading a book. Stop being so FKN silly you absolute buffoon. How many Theories of Evolution do you think there are FFS . If anyone is ignorant here it is YOU! Darwinism is a theory of biological evolution developed by the English naturalist Charles Darwin(1809–1882) and others, stating that all species of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations that increase the individual's ability to compete, survive, and reproduce.
The ToE is simply a THEORY that is based on the observations of the fact that organisms evolve from a common ancestor. The Theory of Evolution essentially states that genetic characteristics of a population of organisms change over time as a result of natural selection or genetic drift. In other words, the scientific theory describes an observable fact, the change of genome, and describes the predictive mechanisms that cause that change, natural selection and genetic drift. BUT IT STOPS WHEN IT COMES to explaining how homosapiens "suddenly" <<<< according to Darwin and Wallace...... came into being. Wallace has even suggested " intervention".
I have supported every claim I've ever made,
Oh FFS stop with your blatant lies and lets have some evidence for your claim.
"we have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
PROVE IT! You have claimed something that even Darwin and Wallace couldn't explain. For instance; The theory states that " -organisms evolve from a common ancestor". So let's hear it then, what is mankind's "common ancestor"? HURRY UP, YOU BUFFOON!!!!
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@disgusted
I have no intention of explaining the ToE to an ignoramus
Then simply explain why it is you believe humans "suddenly" sprang from?
refers to Darwin as the ToE expert.
No I have never referred to Darwin as an "expert" on the matter. It was you who done that. It was you who brought Darwin's "theory of evolution" into the mix you LIAR!!!.
And now you cannot even FKN explain it. But ask other to provide proof for their cliams where you fail EVERY fkn TIME!!!!!
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Oh no, Jesus is very much alive.Prove it.
Demands the man who simply never produces the proofs for his own claims when called upon to do so. what a FKN hypocrite.
Yes, there you go again. demanding proof, evidence and "citations" but fail miserably to do the same when called upon to prove your outrageous claims.
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"we have evolved by exactly the same process as every other animal that has ever existed on this planet"?
"YOU PROVE IT"! Simply back it up. Explain to us all with supporting evidence the appearance of humans. Just saying the words; "the theory of evolution" doesn't support what you claim. It is just a title of the proposed theory and nothing else.
You have claimed something that even Darwin and Wallace couldn't explain.
Darwin doesn't actually explain the "sudden" appearance of humans, does he? In fact Darwin admitted some difficulty in explaining highly sophisticated organs such as the human eye. And neither does his co discoverer Alfred Wallace.In fact Wallace clearly suspected an "intervention of some kind". And, over 160 years later science has failed, just like you have, to prove Wallace wrong. Anthropologists Have failed miserably to produce fossil evidence for the " missing link" with apes, and there has been a growing recognition of the complexity of organs such as the human brain.
Explain the complete balls up YOUR "evolution theory" caused for humans by causing him to lose all his hairy coat only to have to chase down and kill other animals for their coats.
We await your informed and educated explanations to these simple flaws in YOUR "theory of evolution". Hurry up about it too. I haven't got all day to read your drivel even when 99.9% of your replies are one word sentences.
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@keithprosser
The religious of which religion?
Any
My point is not to defend Islam or sharia - which I detest.
To "detest" expresses an intense dislike and is an extremely strong word. Why do you detest Islam and Shariah its Islamic canonical law based on the teachings of the Koran ?
I detest systems based on theistic myths and nonsense.
Yes I got that, but in this particular instance YOU have singled out Islam AND Shariah its Islamic canonical law . So why do you "detest" Islam so intensely?
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@n8nrgmi
you must have missed the point.[.......] it's whether the NDEs show distinctly non chrisitan elements, like visiting Muhammed or something like that.
This is what you asked for in your OP
where are all the examples of non christian NDEs?
I gave you some examples because you were just too lazy to look for yourself. Now you are appending your question 17 posts later to stop yourself looking silly.
Maybe you should have structured your question more clearly and asked for examples of peoples of religions other than Christianity who have come back from a NDE and tell of seeing their god, such as a muslim seeing Allah. see the difference?
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@Mopac
Central then is the question... who is Jesus Christ?
You really are full of it Mopac. You state the words Jesus Christ as if is was his name. It wasn't. But at least you make him sound very human when you put it to your gullible audience in this way.
Also central to Christology is The Trinity.
More crap presented as fact. The "trinity" was a Roman creation. Not a Jewish creation which Jesus the Anointed was.They did this simply to put an end to the sectarian conflicts between the JEWISH diaspora and keep the ROMAN population onside who wouldn't recognise Yoshua Ben Yousouf Jesus son of Joseph <<< A JEW, as one of the gods of their already large pantheon of gods. Grow up and start learning for yourself other than what crap your teachers have drove into you.
This is the gospel. The good news.
The word "gospel" may well mean "good news" but one is hard pushed to find any "good news" in the New Testament. Particularly when one reads the very unfairy tale - like ending. In fact Jesus never, ever, ever mentions "good fkn news" does he? No. A, angel - messenger - brings "good news" to some absolutely dozy illiterate shepherds watching their flocks in the dark of night and freezing do death in the freezing cold valleys of the time.
Who do you say Jesus Christ is?
He was a rightful and legitimate heir to the throne of David believed to be the messiah come to claim his rightful position as king of the JEWS of Jerusalem <<<<<< NOT king of the CHRISTIANS or the world.
Grow UP!!!
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@Snoopy
This law is literally designed as a political stunt. This isn't a religious topic
I am glad it was you that raised that point. I was going to get around to asking prosser for evidence that this was a law based on religion or just simple politics pandering to the religious.
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@n8nrgmi
did you even watch a little bit of htose youtube videos? they are about a muslim who had a NDE and converted to christianity.
Yes and what ? He had a NDE and he wasn't christian at the fkn time he had it, He was Muslim. And I notice you still, that you haven't even tried researching for cases of NDE in other religions for yourself.
How about this that you didn't bother yourself to search for!
Abstract: Among other authors, Joel Ibrahim Kreps (2009) has recently published accounts of Muslim near-death experiences (NDEs). With the present paper, we aim to contribute to the growing number of non-Western NDE reports by providing summaries of eight additional Muslim NDEs, seven translated from the original Italian source (Giovetta, 2007) and one from an English source (Lerma, 2009), and to provide references for further reading. In addition, we highlighted noteworthy features of these eight summarized NDE accounts. Although the documentation standard of the available cases is generally low, these accounts indicate that the structure and contents of NDEs from many ... continued below in link below.
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@n8nrgmi
where are all the examples of non christian NDEs?
I suppose the Muslims had to get in on the act.
Muslim man has amazing near death experience Part 1
Muslim amazing near death experience - Part 2.
Near-Death Experiences and Islam
There are hundreds of muslim NDE's but like you I am far too lazy to look them all up.
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@keithprosser
It seems we have some common ground - neither of want to see the west dominated by theocratic Islam!
I don't deny it. But why don't you want to see the west dominated by Islam.
Where we differ - correct me if i am wrong - is that you want to see no Islam in the west and whatever they like in Arabia.
That's correct. why would I want to invite or even entertain (1) a religion that is simply not compatible with the west?
(2) Invite any "type" of Islam into my country where my Queen is the head of a Christian country and head of the Church of England ?
(3) Why should I even consider accepting and or "promoting" a barbaric religion such as islam in my country where my Queen has swore an oath to defend the Christian faith?
My ideal is close to a 'tame' form of Islam everywhere, as I see no prospect of eradicating religion in the foreseeable future.
You haven't explained what "tame " islam is? And I agree religion cannot be eradicated but it can be denied if one isn't Muslim.
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@keithprosser
You will just have to keep wondering.
I haven't said anything about me wondering. I have asked you a legitimate question. Why are you running from it ?
Saying you "detest islam" and telling me that you detest systems based myths and nonsense , is not telling me why? Do you detest stories of all myths and fables just because they are myth and are fables? What harm for instance does the fable of Icarus who's father Daedalus made wings for the god Apollo cause you? I see no reason to fear or detest such a fable. Yet here you are just 8 posts in and your falling apart on one simple question concerning your own fkn statement.
Will this be another thread that you start and then abandon simply because you have from the off, painted yourself right into a corner with your opening statement or have you simply forgotten this thread that you began and left questions unanswered because it became too difficult for you? https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1707
My point is not to defend Islam or sharia - which I detest.
Why do you detest Islam and Shariah its Islamic canonical law based on the teachings of the Koran ?
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@keithprosser
I detest systems based on theistic myths and nonsense.
But I have asked you WHY? I want to know WHY such detestation? WHY the intense dislike of Islam and Shariah, its Islamic canonical law based on the teachings of the Koran ?
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