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@Yassine
As you may all have heard, an Aussie terrorist by the name of Brenton Tarrant was charged with shooting up two mosques at Christchurch town in New Zealand killing 50 worshippers.
As you may or may not ( more likely the latter) have heard Muslims butchered the whole communities of villages.
"A DOZEN CHRISTIAN VILLAGES IN NIGERIA WIPED OUT IN FOUR-DAY KILLING SPREE"
"Most of the victims were in their homes sleeping when the attacks began … when Muslim Fulani militant herdsmen began their killing spree in Nigeria that lasted four days, Thursday through Sunday evening and into Monday.
In only days, a dozen villages in Nigeria Plateau state were wiped out. The affected communities surround the city of Jos—known as the epicenter of Christianity in northern Nigeria’s MiddleBelt."
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Just days before the vile, horrific and senseless attack of New Zealand muslim worshipers, this happened:
Radical Muslims Murder 32 Nigerian Christians, Torch Church in Brutal Attack (the body count is now over 120)
Not a single word about this butchery from the Western mainstream media. Where is the media Coverage!? NO ONE CARES!
In only days, a dozen villages in Nigeria’s Plateau state were wiped out. The affected communities surround the city of Jos—known as the epicenter of Christianity in northern Nigeria’s Middle Belt."
27 Jan On the Philippine Island of Jolo two Muslims exploded two bombs in the Christian Cathedral killing over 20 Christian and injuring over 100. No one cares
Where is the Western media Coverage!? Where is the Western mourning? Where is the outrage and condemnation of Islam. No one cares!
Christians world wide are the most persecuted, killed and ethnically cleansed religious group on the planet. So far in 2019 there have been 453 terror attacks BY MUSLIMS in which 1,956 people have been murdered.
4,305 Christians were murdered by muslims BECAUSE OF THEIR FAITH in 2018 alone!
WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE? WHERE IS THE OUTCRY FROM THE WESTERN MEDIA.
NO ONE CARES! And the reason no one cares is because these poor victims were Christians and not muslims.
Lets keep this outpouring of sadness of these poor innocent victims in Christchurch New Zealand in perspective and proportion and most of all, balanced.
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"NEW ZEALAND PASTOR ARRESTED IN AUSTRALIA FOR EXPOSING ISLAM"
"Hate speech at Auckland Mosque by Hormoz Ghahremani of Iranian Embassy"
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@Outplayz
The point of paradise is to live and die.. [etc etc].
This is still failing to explain what happens when the faithful actually get to paradise, what then? is the question.
Take Islam. Islam for instance doesn't disguise it goals and what it will do and how far it will go to achieve its aims, it also actually explains to their martyrs ( those that die killing infidels for Allah) that they will have seventy billion virgin women to abuse. Strangely though, it doesn't' mention what the martyred women will receive.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Atheists should rejoice at the death of theists. If you're not you are doing it wrong.
What an utter vile thing to say. On any other forum you would be reported to the police for hate speech. You really are a demented disgusting human being.
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@Polytheist-Witch
How the fuck would anyone know what anything in the Bible is like unless it's explained in detail or they have died.
Unless they have died? What do you mean?
If you atheists are so smart tell the monotheists all about it.
Ask your own questions on your own thread. .
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@disgusted
The shooter is a combination of small man's syndrome and no brain syndrome.
Most likely correct again. 10/10 You are so good at stating the FKN obvious but never the facts or the truth.
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No world wide condemnation by the mainstream media here either.
Dec 17 2018 Two white female tourists, killed, one beheaded, muslim attackers said "their actions were Allah's will. Egypt Nov 9 Muslims ambush buses carrying Christians. 7 killed 19 wounded. Jan 27 Muslims blown up Christians in church 22 dead & 100's injured.
I am sure there are literally hundreds of the stories of violence and the murder of Christians committed by muslims from around the world that have gone unreported by the Western media. But as our London Muslim mayor Sadiq Khan said after the two London bridges attacks and the Manchester bombing of little girls and mothers by Muslims:
"It's all“part and parcel of living in a big city” .
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@disgusted
if you're waiting for a godist to reply, you'll have a long wait.
Best response so far. 10/10.
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I didn't want you to feel that your post was being ignored Keith.
Just 10 days before the vile, horrific and senseless attack of New Zealand muslim worshipers, this happened:
Radical Muslims Murder 32 Nigerian Christians, Torch Church in Brutal Attack
Not a single peep about this butchery from the Western mainstream media.
But as our London Muslim mayor Sadiq Khan said after the London bridges attacks by Muslims:
"It's all“part and parcel of living in a big city” .
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@secularmerlin
I have no reason to believe amyone does get to paradise.
Neither have I. That is why I am asking the question of the Christian faithful. I think I know why Christians believe in paradise, I just want to know What happens for those that manage to get to Paradise? ,
You don't know because for you it doesn't exist. This is why you, responding with your opinions are irrelevant as are prosser's and disgusted's.
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It pacifies their ridiculous fear of death and supports the hubris of being the most special thing in the universe.
I agree, but this doesn't answer the question:
So for those that manage to get to Paradise, then what? What happens then?
The silence here from the Christian faithful is quite deafening. This is exactly the same response I got from them when I questioned "heaven": a grand total of zero answers. This is quite extraordinary seeing that "heaven" is mentioned 582 times in the KJ Bible..
When researching the word paradise, one will discover it simply means "garden" a "walled garden" to be precise.. This is interesting because when one reads the story of the crucifixion - of which there appears to be two versions in the NT - one version has the women peering over a wall into a private garden owned by a secret rich disciple and watching it all play out.
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@secularmerlin
The point of paradise is to act as the carrot and eternal torment is the stick .
No, what you say appears to be the promised reward and/or consequences. You must have misunderstood the question.
This is what I asked: So for those that manage to get to Paradise, then what? What happens then? What's the point of paradise?
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@keithprosser
According to Church Father Tertullian you can pass time enjoying watching sinners suffering in the flames of hell.
Yes, well, the thread is about the biblical "P_A_R_A_D_I_S_E". I don't think just simply staring down from "paradise" at suffeing sinners for the rest of eternity is what Jesus had in mind when he said to his fellow rebel, "Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise".
Funny how you accept these ancient words of Turtillian but not a single word from the ancient scriptures.
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The Word - Paradise appears in the New Testament surprisingly only three times. Nothing in the New Testament explains what it is and the only thing we can say about " Paradise" is that it is somewhere one can exist after death so it is synonymous with that other unexplainable 'place' called heaven and yet again,not a single Christian on this forum has been able to explain what "heaven" is, yet this word appears in the the King James version of the Bible 327 times in the Old Testament and 255 times in the New Testament.
So , the question then is then: for those that manage to get to Paradise, then what? What happens then? What's the point of paradise?
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@ludofl3x
You can always use the private message feature if it's only one person's opinion you're interested in. Email him. You're posting out here in the forum, so I'll comment where I please, thanks.
I didn't say you couldn't post A COMMENT ON THIS THREAD, NOW DID I, that is a STUPID thing to even suggest? And I didn't say that you couldn't speak on his behalf when he appears to be on the back foot and has painted himself into a corner; something he does often or hasn't made himself clear - which is usually an excuse he uses when it is pointed out to him how silly his replies are and his own statements are when broken down, examined, scrutinised and challenged. And yes, it is an open forum (by all accounts). BUT in case you misunderstood what I have wrote, what I said was ; THAT he - Prosser - can speak for himself and that I WASN'T INTERESTED IN how "SURE" YOU think HE is.
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@Yassine
Bore , bore, yawn, yawn, bore, bore, bore, yawn fkn YAWWWWWWWNYes, I wonder...? His home & people were not invaded, pillaged, bombed & humiliated, nor massacred or displaced by the millions... To turn to the ultimate violence & shoot innocent people, men & women & children, in cold blood in their place of worship just because of their ethnicity is indeed something to wonder about. I also wonder how will these kind of western people turn if their homes were actually invaded & pillaged...! History has already shown us the answer, the ultimate vengeance.
- It does indeed: skin color. Indeed, Medieval European savagery.
It says nothing of the sort you lying FKR. here see for yourself
- They didn't have to force anyone, since they went ahead & ended their lives. Not much choice left after that...
So that's a no then. Stop lying .
Or the Christian fanatics actively doing so.
So that's another no then.
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@ludofl3x
I am pretty sure its clear he thinks they're forgeries.
He can speak for himself. I am not interested in how "sure" YOU think HE is.
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@janesix
How did the universe come into existence?
A great question that no one ever has been able to explain.
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Yes here we are. Took some time, but worth it .
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@keithprosser
don't think anybody bar you would be in any doubt where I stand.
Ok, so make your mind up. Are these particular scriptures that you have highlighted up, forgeries or not.
I don't do frothing-at-the-mouth polemic - I leave that to WisdomOfAges!
Neither do I., i am just wanting you to explain your hypocrisy of denying these scriptures to be true in one instance, then quoting them as if they are while at the same time casting doubt on their authenticity.
When you are called on certain statements you make , you simply switch to part believing and or part disbelieving although you have on many occasions told us of your stance as an full blown atheist.
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@keithprosser
The 'prophecies' in daniel are accurate upto about 200bc, which is understandable if they aren't genuine prophecies but forgeries wriiten after the events.
So here once again and as per usual your sitting on the fence. Are they genuine or forgeries? Although you do not believe the scriptures.
IMO Daniel was written to bolster Jewish nationalism during a period when they were heavily oppressed by the Seleucids
So they are forgeries then?
Daniel purported to say this dip in Jewish fortunes was long foretold, so the imminent restoration of Israels greatness it also foretold would be believed.
But you cannot say if or not these are forgeries, can you? But here again you are again, telling us what a biblical character has said or purported to have said, when you do not believe in these ancient scriptures and are and out and out atheist.
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@keithprosser
The Book of Daniel purports itself to have been written by a Jew living in 6th century BC Persia
I accept a date between c. 200 to 150 BC or Daniel,
And you accept this, why?
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@keithprosser
I can recall at least one poster on DDO that seemed to get the wrong end of the stick. I can't be bothered to find the post now.
So that will be one single poster, and we have to simply take your word for it.
Remind me again, how many usernames were you exposed to having on that other forum?
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@Mopac
You don't understand. The Ultimate Reality is God.
So what normal people call reality, you simply call god. Nothing wrong with that , but it simply doesn't work in the real world.
reality
/rɪˈalɪti/
noun
noun: reality
- 1.the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them."he refuses to face reality"synonyms:the real world, real life, actuality;Moreantonyms:
fantasy- a thing that is actually experienced or seen, especially when this is unpleasant.plural noun: realities"the harsh realities of life in a farming community"synonyms:fact, actuality, truth, verity"the harsh realities of life"
- a thing that exists in fact, having previously only existed in one's mind."we want to make the dream a reality"
- the quality of being lifelike."the reality of Marryat's detail"synonyms:verisimilitude, authenticity, realism, fidelity, faithfulness"the reality of Marryat's detail"antonyms:
idealism - relating to reality TV.modifier noun: reality"a reality show"
- 2.the state or quality of having existence or substance."youth, when death has no reality"
- PHILOSOPHYexistence that is absolute, self-sufficient, or objective, and not subject to human decisions or conventions.
God
/ɡɒd/
noun
noun: God; noun: god; plural noun: gods; plural noun: the gods
- 1.(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
- 2.(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshipped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity."a moon god"synonyms:deity, goddess, divine being, celestial being, supreme being, divinity, immortal;Morean image, animal, or other object worshipped as divine or symbolizing a god.
- "wooden gods from the Congo"synonyms:idol, graven image, icon, golden calf, totem, talisman, fetish, mascot, juju"wooden gods"
- used as a conventional personification of fate."he dialled the number and, the gods relenting, got through at once"
- 3.a greatly admired or influential person."he has little time for the fashion victims for whom he is a god"
- a thing accorded the supreme importance appropriate to a god."don't make money your god"
- 4.INFORMALthe gallery in a theatre."they sat in the gods"
exclamation
exclamation: God
- 1.used for emphasis or to express emotions such a
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@keithprosser
I accept a date between c. 200 to 150 BC or Daniel,
There you go again. One day you insist we know that you are an complete and utter , out and out atheist, then next you're telling us all what you accept about a biblical character that you don't even believe in. FFS make your mind up!
You are always doing this. telling us what someone in the bible "means" we a certain verse is quoted yet vehemently state at times, that your an atheist and don't believe a word of these scriptures.
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@keithprosser
I am a 'humanist', but I wish they'd think of a better word for it, because humanists also care about animals, the planet etc.
And who denies this? Who is it that says they don't care?
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@WisdomofAges
CHURCH ? = Brainwash and Hypnotize weak minded humans...into slavery
It certainly did, and this is the crying shame about the whole subject of Christian "religion". It is false, untrue and deceitful.
Unlike Islam that doesn't hide the fact of its existence, its intentions and purposes and what it will do and how far it will go to achieve them.
If I had to choose between which is the most honest and truthful of any of these two so called "religions" I would have no hesitation in choosing Islam to be the most honest and truthful.
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@keithprosser
So i'm as certain no gods exists as i am certain of anything.
Well if you understood and knew anything at all, these ancient so called "gods" - according to those that were there - were flesh and blood beings just like you and me. The difference seems to be that they were superior in knowledge to those ancient peoples of the time. But weren't of course superior, to a jumped up narcissistic, egotistical superior know it all, such as yourself.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
The biblical version of this story is the one we will be reading today, starting with Genesis 6 and 7.
This story is older than the bible itself by thousands of years. the strange thing is that, there was no way the "gods" could prevent this natural disaster as they could say the destruction of the Babylon Tower, or the desolation of Sodom and Gomorrah.
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@Mopac
Sin is a defilement of the image of God that we were made in.
But god created everything didn't? And if he was incapable of making mistakes, then why create homosexuals and then condemn them?
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@keithprosser
I am, apparently, 100% humanist.
That's today. What about tomorrow? You never seem to be able to make your mind up. One minute you tell us that your an out and out atheist, next your translating what it is some biblical character means.
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@disgusted
I'm after a godly explanation.
Doubt you'll get one. it is an evolutionary question.
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@keithprosser
Yes absolutely terrible and terrifying, Keith. I wonder what drove these once normal everyday people to suddenly turn so vile and violent? Does it say anything in the story that you are following as to the cause of such vile medieval savagery? Was they doing it on the instructions of a god? Were they trying to overthrow democracy, and force anyone to submit to their own barbaric ideology? They are no better than the muslim fanatic trying to impose Islam on the whole world. Absolutely disgraceful.
"NEW ZEALAND PASTOR ARRESTED IN AUSTRALIA FOR EXPOSING ISLAM"
"Hate speech at Auckland Mosque by Hormoz Ghahremani of Iranian Embassy"
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@keithprosser
Pretty much what i feel when i see your stuff.
Indeed I believe it does. The facts repeated about islam are hard to swallow for a muslim apologist such as yourself.
"Hate speech at Auckland Mosque by Hormoz Ghahremani of Iranian Embassy"
I hope you choke on it.
So much for free speech on the delicate subject of this vile ideology that is Islam
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@Yassine
YAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN
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@Mopac
Pharaoh liked to make this pretense of being a god.
You obviously know absolutely FK ALL about the ancient Egyptians.
These gods come and go, they are born and they die.
They did come, go and die. Just as the ancient Mesopotamians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Akkadians and the Sumerians say they did. These so called gods were flesh and blood beings and it is only clowns such as yourself who deemed them to be omnipotent, all singing all dancing supernatural entities.
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@disgusted
If any of you godists were born in NK you would worship Kim Jon Un as your god, really sad just how important your god is, isn't it?
It is an excellent point. Kim, a very human being, is worshipped as a god, The dynasty believes itself to be of the gods and the people believe it.
Her majesty Queen Elizabeth II believes her ' right to rule' comes from god i.e. 'god given'. Do you see the difference between the ancient so called gods and Kim Jon un and the difference between Kim Jon Un and the British monarchy?
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@Tradesecret
Evil exists and is therefore evidence for the existence of an all powerful and all good God.
Absolute cobblers!
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@Mopac
Do you believe that The Truth exists?Do you believe The Ultimate Reality exists?
FFS! change the damn record!
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This is a clip from a documentary made by a British muslim and televised 2 nights ago.
The Author still has a price on his head. Fatwa : an irrevocable sentence -in this case a death sentence - and eternal after his death.
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@Castin
But it's worth noting that Genesis was not written by Christians. It was written by ancient Hebrews
It was written by Mesopotamians thousands of years before the bible was even thought of. They also tell us quite clearly the the "serpent" is in fact the creator of the Adama the serpent Lord, Lord Enki.
Genesis 5:1-2
"This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created".
"Their name Adam", so this explains perfectly that Adam wasn't the name of a single person, it was the name of a species/ a type of being.
You need to go back to where this story actually originated, Mesopotamia,and you will read this creation epic in its original form. The two brothers involved are named Enlil and his half brother Enki the serpent lord<<<< see that serpent Lord.
The struggle was between two FLESH AND BLOOD lords , half brothers to be precise.It is a much detailed than the half story given in the bible that was written thousands of years after the alleged event , and incidentally this half brother story is a continuous theme throughout the whole of the bible Old and New Testaments.
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@Mopac
I am but confused.
Just extremely ill.
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@disgusted
Superman came from Krypton.
And then got crapton.
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@Mopac
Falsehood melts away in the presence of The Truth.
It does indeed. So are you saying the New Testament is full of lies ?
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@Mopac
Not according to the scriptures, you clown.
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@Mopac
Yes, you know the new testament even better than The Orthodox Church,
And you!
Tell me, where is the "heaven" that Jesus speaks about and what is it?
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@Wylted
Rape can be beneficial to the victim. For examplr they may learn from the experience. Maybe they stop dressing like a slut or perhaps they even enjoy rhe experience of being raped a pleasure that would ve denied to them if they had consented or avoided the rapist to begin with. I hat how people only look at the negatives of rape and never the positives.
Are you ill ?
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@keithprosser
that is we agree that things like matter and energy, elephants, televisions, chairs, stars etc etc. all 'exist'; they are 'real'.
There are two odd ones out there. They "exist" but they are certainly not "real".
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