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The spirit made Jesus in the flesh
Let us see your evidence.
completely destabilised as being the only way to God
Let us see your evidence
and only true form of what to worship.
Opinion. Show us your evidence
That spirit later becomes Allah.
Let us see your evidence.
Making statements is not evidence of anything, it is just just statements.
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@Mopac
This is not a topic about Roman Catholicism.
But you brought the Roman Church into the thread and made a ridiculous claim suggesting the pope/ bishop of Rome calls himself " king". this is a lie isn't it? This is what you have said:
The Bishop of Rome is not King of Christendom, Christ is.
Simply answer the question that arose from your own comment.
Who says he is "king" ? Because the Catholic Church certainly doesn't claim the Pope to be " king". He is called pope or papa simply meaning father. he is only Bishop for all the Catholics in Rome.
So if you know different, let us see your supporting evidence that the pope claims to be "king".
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@RationalMadman
I couldn't care less what semantic-plays you do here.
You're talking out of your arse. Why don't you simply address the question raised by your own statement.
You have said:
The answer is blatantly because Jesus Christ is called Jesus Christ.
I have replied:
Jesus THE Christ . It simply means Jesus The Anointed. I am then puzzled why Jesus or how Jesus can be The Anti Anointed when he is the Anointed.
And you haven't shown any evidence or given a reason why you believe that " Jesus is the Antichrist".
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@RationalMadman
It doesn't really answer the question. Is all you have done is rearranged a few names and then presented them as both being Lucifer. but you haven't explained this>>
Jesus THE Christ . It simply means Jesus The Anointed. I am then puzzled why Jesus or how Jesus can be The Anti Anointed when he is the Anointed.
And you haven't shown any evidence or given a reason why you believe that " Jesus is the Antichrist".
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@RationalMadman
Jesus is the Antichrist
The answer is blatantly because Jesus Christ is called Jesus Christ.
Well it is actually a title - Jesus THE Christ . It simply means Jesus - The Anointed. I am puzzled then why Jesus or how Jesus can be The Anti Anointed when he is the Anointed.
Can you put me right on that?
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@Mopac
Nearly everything about the Roman church has been corrupted,
Then with nearly "everything" corrupted, you won't have trouble giving us a few examples of what has been corrupted, will you.
So, show us some examples that have been corrupted..
The Bishop of Rome is not King of Christendom, Christ is.
Who says he is "king" ? Because the Catholic Church certainly doesn't claim the Pope to be " king". He is called pope or papa simply meaning father. he is only Bishop for all the Catholics in Rome.
So if you know different, let us see your supporting evidence that the pope claims to be "king".
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@Polytheist-Witch
How many times? I am not an atheist. I believe that there were gods. stop telling me what i believe and or think. The bible is an important history in the development of mankind. It doesn't tell the whole truth although I believe the OT is more truthful than the New Testament. I believe that the gods were once on this earth but left after a major catastrophe probably caused by themselves against mankind.And you are an atheist what you think of Bible means even less.
You have said that the gods never existed on earth, I accept your opinion. so answer theses simply questions concerning your beliefs instead of continuously shooting off that GREEEEEAAAT BIIIIG mouth of yours.
The god Wodan/Odin was the god of Yule
Where does "Wodan/Odin" exist ?
Holle in the German tradition shares the lead of the Hunt and the Yule celebration.
Who is "Holle" and where does Holle exist?
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@Polytheist-Witch
Because you are sinning and the Bible says so. Most Christians are going to Hell..
How would you know. You have made your stance very clear about where you stand concerning the bible.
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@Polytheist-Witch
If you are to retarded to get the point don't post.
I got the initial point. I addressed your initial point. I then asked you a few questions about your own comments.. You must have missed them. Here they are again:
The god Wodan/Odin was the god of Yule
Where does "Wodan/Odin" exist ?
Holle in the German tradition shares the lead of the Hunt and the Yule celebration.
Who is "Holle" and where does Holle exist?
Other than Jesus almost nothing about Christmas traditions is Christian.
So?
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@PGA2.0
because you are so emotional and angry.
Change the record.
This is the response atheist and others get when theist cannot respond to criticism of their scriptures. Everyone else but themselves is "angry and emotional". Theist need to accept that these scriptures are flawed and do not stand up to scrutiny nor criticism
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@Polytheist-Witch
but Christians engaging in pagan ritual is concerning, don't you think?
No, I don't think it "is concerning", Laughable? yes: considering there have been many dying and rising gods , Adonis, Attis, Osiris,Persephone,Lemminkainen and the newest Jesus the Christ just to name a few. The myths and practices and rituals surrounding the Christ come from many sources including Roman. Christianity simply had to incorporate something of the Roman 'religious' beliefs for it be accepted by the Roman population, they did have their own gods after all. i.e. for Christianity to be accepted by Roman citizenry, Jesus had to become yet another god. not necessarily another dying and rising "god".
The god Wodan/Odin was the god of Yule
Where does "Wodan/Odin" exist ?
Holle in the German tradition shares the lead of the Hunt and the Yule celebration.
Who is "Holle" and where does Holle exist?
Other than Jesus almost nothing about Christmas traditions is Christian.
So, what is your point?
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@Polytheist-Witch
you think my gods don't exist.
Where do they exist?
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@keithprosser
Matthew's contribution was to apply Isaiah's Prophecy to Jesus. in short, in Isaiah 7 Isaiah tells the Hebrew king Ahaz that his enemies will soon be laid waste. More precisely, that will occur before the son of an unspecified woman is fully weaned. The Point is that the event will be soon - Isaiah is prophesying about the near-future,not 600 years hence.
Mathew it appears though is showing his ignorance,- no surprises there then -. he couldn’t have understood or even noticed that this prophecy of Isaiah’s was intended to be fulfilled in Isaiah’s lifetime and was never intended as prophecy for the coming future savior of the time of Jesus. King Ahaz is troubled concerning two armies from the north;
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel(God is with us) <<<, Not Jesus!?? . Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, for before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. The Lord shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy father's house, days that have not come, from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria”.Isaiah 7:14-17.KJV
It is made more than clear here that Isaiah was relaying a message concerning the failed siege of Jerusalem by the two northern Kings armies from the north in 735 B.C. And verse 16 makes it impossible to deny who is going to be defeated, in what time period and the child referred to at Verse 15 and 16 above is not on solid food yet and won’t even know right from wrong!
Clearly this boy has not reached maturity and further there are two other Old Testament passages that we will find in 2 Kings 15:29-30 and 2 Kings 16:9 that will indeed confirm that this prophecy was fulfilled 800 years before the birth of Jesus. If the scriptures are to be believed.
“In the days of Pekah king of Israel came Tiglathpileser king of Assyria, and took Ijon, and Abelbethmaacah, and Janoah, and Kedesh, and Hazor, and Gilead, and Galilee, all the land of Naphtali, and carried them captive to Assyria. And Hoshea the son of Elah made a conspiracy against Pekah the son of Remaliah, and smote him, and slew him, and reigned in his stead, in the twentieth year of Jotham the son of Uzziah”. 2 Kings 15:29-30.KJV
“And the king of Assyria hearkened unto him: for the king of Assyria went up against Damascus, and took it, and carried the people of it captive to Kir, and slew Rezin”. 2 Kings 16:9 KJV.
We simply have to ask; what good would this prophecy have been to King Ahaz had it really been about the birth of Jesus, and what good would it have done him in his hour of need?
The belief by Christians that this was a "prophecy" alluding to the birth of Jesus is quite frankly a big pile of steaming BS
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@keithprosser
I would say that anyone who 'hates God' is not an atheist in the usual sense of the word.
I am not an atheist. I have said many times now I believe that these gods existed here once. I have said the OT is a book of violence and ancient historical wars and nothing much else, although I belive it to be more truthful that the NT where , one has to scratch the surface and delve a little deeper to reveal another story altogether,
theophobic.
No. But it is undoubtedly reasonable for anyone to fear these beings, as they did then, if the scriptures are to be believed.
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@Polytheist-Witch
Well apart from the fact that you wouldn't know what I believe in. I have said on many occasions that I do believe that plural gods existed I have said they were here once and left thousands of years ago. you dispute that and say they never existed on earth.Believe in gods.
I have asked you if, as you say, "they never existed on the earth", then where was it they existed. You have failed many times not to answer that question. You have made it quite plain that you know different to me so simply answer the question.
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if theists are getting the impression that we atheists 'hate god' then we are sending the wrong signals.
I do hate some of these gods and with good reason if the scriptures are to be believed. The Old Testament starts almost immediately with conflict between two of these gods and the violence and war doesn't stop. It is these gods that cannot seem to live in peace amongst themselves and have duped mere mortals to take sides and do there bidding and fight their wars.
So what do you mean by " the wrong signals"?
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@Polytheist-Witch
Harry Potter did it. Would be the atheists response. You can't
Opinion. And you should have aimed that opinion at self confessed Atheist keith prosser and not me. You see it is Atheist Keith prosser who thinks he can argue about god but no one else can " argue what you think are fictional characters as real life". . I happen to believe - as you do- in gods, plural. And I am still waiting for you to tell me where,If not on earth,do they or did they exist? Why are you avoiding that question that arose from your own statement?
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It is stated in the Bible that God sent his only son to Earth.it is stated in the Bible that God made promises to Abraham.It is stated in the Bible that God told Moses to return to Egypt.
Exactly Keith. Why do you put yourself in a position to explain and tell and indeed answer the above questions concerning a biblical god and "His holy word" from His Holy Book that you don't believe exists, but tell others - words to the effect - 'that they have no business commenting on and asking about, this biblical god , because they happen to be atheist.
There are hundreds of atheist authors who write absolute brilliant books on religion and god/s telling us what god said and what god did. They do not prefixe every mention of god or his words and works with the words - in the bible it says god did this or god that.
Going by your own standards, we should expect you to prefix all of your comments concerning the bible with the words _ "It is stated in the Bible that".
Do you see how ridiculous your comment is now. Anyone can comment on the bible without the prerequisite of leading every sentence with the words - I don't believe in god - I am an atheist - and - "It is stated in the Bible "
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@keithprosser
It certainly sounds like gussie is blaming God, which is something an atheist cannot do!
Back on the fence then. One minute you are explaining and interpreting "god's holy word" from his Holy Book and then you tell us that atheists cannot blame God for anything because they are atheist.
Ok keeping in mind that you are a confessed atheist try these on.
Who is said to have sent his only son to Earth, Keith?
Who made promises to Abraham Keith?
Who told Moses to return to Egypt and free his people, Keith?
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@ethang5
Words mean only what he/she thinks they mean.
A lot like yourself, then. Someone who completely changes the meaning of a straight forward simple biblical word, and sometimes whole biblical sentences and biblical verses to make it fit your biblical argument or biblical opinion.
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@Mopac
Wordsmean what ever you want them to mean.
They do in your case. Fawning sycophantic christians such as yourself are always trying to interpret words to suit your agenda and further your argument when caught on the backfoot.
There is one clown here who tried to tell me that the word " touch" could actually mean "light".
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So you can't even say that The Ultimate Reality exists.
I think you cannot explain the difference between reality and what only you term "The Ultimate reality". Until you can define the difference you have nowhere to go.
Ultimately, I think you are really very ill, in reality
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@Mopac
The Ultimate Reality.Reality in the truest senseReality as it truly is.
Well that explains absolutely NOTHING!!!!
You can't confess The Ultimate Reality?
Confess? I honestly think you are ill.
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@Mopac
--> @secularmerlin, @StephenNeither of you can comfess The Ultimate Reality, which is very telling.You can't admit That Which Is Ultimately Real exists.
And you don't seem to be able to explain what the difference is between reality and what you call "the Ultimate Reality".
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Stop avoiding the question that arose from your own statement. If as you say the gods that you and I believe in didn't exist on the Earth as you say, then where do they exist or where did they exist?So you have proof they lived on Earth.
Simply question for someone with you knowhow I am sure.
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@ethang5
Hey doofus, I never talked about the poor.
I didn't say you did. I said your brand new best buddy one time nemesis , prosser, did. You said I called it silly. I did. And I showed you why it was silly and stupid and backward. I am waiting for you to tell me why it wasn't silly, or stupid or backward.
Do you need reminding what I said was silly, and stupid and backward? of course you do because you have lost track on who is saying what AGAIN, haven't you.
HERE IT IS AGAIN.
It is prossers interpretation of LUKE 12 that doesn't make sense, you clown. this is what he wrote:
Forum posts: 463012Added: 11.25.18 04:20 AM It is rational advice if this world is about to end and be replaced by a new order. Luke's advice is even stronger:Lk 12:33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.
So tell me you complete illiterate clown, if this be the case as prosser interprets LUKE, what would be the point of giving all your possessions to ANYONE let alone "the poor", if the "world is about to end" as prosser states. This is what is stupid and silly and backward about prossers interpretation of luke 12:33. you clown.
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Do not put you heart into earthly riches, does not mean you can't have earthly riches.
I see yet again that not only do you attempt to rewrite what is not there but deny what actually is there
“Do not accumulate for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal.Matthew 6:19-21
which, without doubt, contradicts god himself when he bestowed all kinds of treasures and gold and many other riches, onto a king simply because he happened to ask for knowledge.
LOOK FOR YOURSELF >>>>>>>>>>>> and I will give thee riches, and wealth, II Chronicles 1:12.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. It couldn't be more clearer, except to a clown in denial.
So, for the BILLIONTH time, the CONTRADICTION is in the So called "son of god" CONTRADICTING the father, his father, god.
I know these blatant contradictions are uncomfortable for you, but they are there, as plain as day. Even you one time nemesis now best buddy, prosser has took the time to attempt an explanation for this CONTRADICTION, where as you have steered well clear of the point.
But no surprises there considering you know absolute sweet FA about the scriptures that you ares o eager and keen to defend.
And you haven't explained what the point would be to give all I own to the so called "poor" if they believed it was the end of the world?
Off you go now, ponder that for two years and rush back with your reply.
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@Mopac
Meaning reality in the absolute truest sense.
But you haven't explained what the difference is between reality and what you call "the Ultimate Reality". Explain the difference and we can take it from there.
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@Mopac
The Ultimate Reality
What do you believe is the difference between reality and what you term "The Ultimate Reality".
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@disgusted
Does Anyone have extra biblical evidence of this?
It is a fair question. But what also has to be noted here is that Solomon’s wealth, it is assumed, came from god after he had asked for knowledge/wisdom and not wealth II Chronicles 1:12. But as per usual, the bible itself contradicts this. For as it clearly states in the verse you have posted ( one I believe I Had posted on another thread) that these riches didn’t come from god at all:they came from everywhere but god when we read 1 Kings 10:1-15.
The bible story has it that the queen of Sheba on hearing of King Solomon’s wisdom and knowledge wanted him to share it with her, she intended to pose him some difficult questions in return for the astronomical price he was charging;
“And she gave the king 120 talents of gold, large quantities of spices, and precious stones. Never again were so many spices brought in as those the Queen of Sheba gave to King Solomon”.(1 Kings 10: 10),- that equates to about 4 1/2 tons or about 4 metric tons.
I would bet my house that not a single fawning Christian here can tell me what "knowledge" it was that the Queen of Sheba was willing to pay such a high price for.
Back to your question:
Does Anyone have extra biblical evidence of this?
It appears historians aren't having any of it.
"His famous mines didn't exist and he was actually a Egyptian Pharaoh".
But there again? talking shit>>
"MANURE PRESERVED FOR millennia by the arid climate of Israel’s Timna Valley is adding fresh fuel to a long-simmering debate about the biblical king Solomon and the source of his legendary wealth.
Archaeologists discovered the 3,000-year-old dung in an ancient mining camp atop a sandstone mesa known as Slaves’ Hill. The area is dotted with copper mines and smelting camps—sites where the ore was heated and turned into metal".
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@Mopac
You don't believe in Reality as it truly is? Reality in the truest sense of what it is to be real?
I honestly do not believe, that you, would know reality, if it slapped you around the head with a barrow full of very heavy bibles.
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@EtrnlVw
The Sadducees were spiritual idiots, they had no clue what was going on.
I can go a long way into agreeing with you here.. They, like many thousands christians and ethang5, certainly didn't understand what "signes" Jesus was talking about although he couldn't have given them a better clue than when he said:
“You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times”.Mathew 16:2-3. (KJV).
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@Polytheist-Witch
Quit being an atheist moron.
I am not an atheist , ploy. I believe , just like you, that there was more than one. I believe in gods plural as you do. I am still waiting for you to tell us though, where it is they actually existed or exist, seeing that you informed us all that they never existed on Earth.
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@ethang5
tell us what the contradiction is.Told you that you couldn't show it.
I have more than once you clown You have serious denial problems. prosser can see it. And I am sure he would love nothing more than to disagree with me , just for the sake of it.
Jesus says:
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, Matthew 6:19-21.
But god himself is throwing riches and wealth around by the shed load
and I will give thee riches, and wealth, II Chronicles 1:12
And you haven't explained what the point would be to give all I own to the so called "poor" if they believed it was the end of the world?
Off you go now, ponder that for two years and rush back with your reply.
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There is no contradiction.
You must have gone to the Clowns School of Denial and passed with flying colours.
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@ethang5
Lol. You got it but still thought it made no sense? A five year old would have understood this, but you had a problem.
No. I got it and it made perfect sense and I have agreed. What doesn't make perfect sense is that THIS>>>
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Matthew 6:19-21.
CONTRADICTS THIS, YOU CLOWN.>>
II Chronicles 1:12, God promised Solomon: “Wisdom and knowledge is granted unto thee; and I will give thee riches, and wealth, and honour, such as none of the kings have had that have been before thee, neither shall there any after they have the like.”
As prosser has attempted to explain and you haven't because you can't, because you know not your scriptures.
It is prossers interpretation of LUKE 12 that doesn't make sense, you clown. this is what he wrote:
Added: 11.25.18 04:20 AM It is rational advice if this world is about to end and be replaced by a new order. Luke's advice is even stronger:Lk 12:33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.
So tell me you complete illiterate clown, if this be the case as prosser interprets LUKE, what would be the point of giving all your possessions to ANYONE let alone "the poor", if the "world is about to end" as prosser states. This is what is stupid and silly and backward about prossers interpretation of luke 12:33. you clown.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I am not a Christian. I give two shits about the bible.
Then stop commenting on what the bible says. you fool
Saving for a rainy day and being Steve Jobs or Donald Trump are not the same.
Like this you mean 1 Kings 10: 14.
The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents not including the revenues from merchants and traders and from all the Arabian kings and the governors of the territories. That is about 30 tons or about 23 metric tons.= $250 million today.
Yes, he loved his shiny things did Solomon, poly
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@EtrnlVw
--> @StephenI've written to you the angles of that passage which are more than one obviously. In one part of that passage This is all Jesus really meant, you can't take with you …..Is that better for ya? are you paying attention to what I'm writing? it's all in my responses. There is more than a single layer within the same passage....1 Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal,2 , but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal3 For Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.See that? don't put emphasis on material possessions because they do not go with you, and, "Jesus also wanted to get the point across to be mindful of what you put your desires in and what are priorities."
Is that better for ya?
I got it first time around. I told you i got it first time around. Thank you.
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@keithprosser
Ethang wrote:The NT is saying do not make earthly wealth your hearts desire, not that wealth is badI think the NT does go further than saying 'do not make earthly wealth your hearts desire' and does imply 'wealth is bad'.Perhaps the most explicit passage is"I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:23-26There are other verses that express similar ideas, and I don't know of anything that can be construed as otherwise.
As you well know. I have raised a similar issue. but on that occasion you say ;
keithprosser wrote: I Think he's terrible at making what ever point he is trying to make but very good at blaming other people for his problem in expressing himself.
It will be interesting to hear from Ethang now you have highlighted his contradiction particularly when, and if, you introduce those "other verses that express similar ideas" that also contradict his interpretation that Matthew 6:19-21 "does imply that 'wealth is bad'."
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Lie. Your English is just too bad. If you are British, you are either naturalized, or didn't go to school. You may live in England now, but you certainly aren't English.
I was born in what is called the centre of England - Meriden- my father was Italian and my mother was Welsh. I grew up in Sheldon Birmingham. My first job was at Birmingham market at the age of 8, from 4 am - 8 am then off to school. I went to collage and then university where I ran rings around clowns like you who thought it would be a good idea to pump my head full of the joys and rewards of loving Jesus and god.. I know these scriptures inside out which is more than anyone can say for you, you clown.
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What “interpretation”?
The loony one you always introduce that isn't in the text.
Ok, so let us see my interpretations.
One contradicts the other. it is there there to see
Yet no one sees it but you. Not even other atheists see it. Can the class say delusion?
Prosser does. He has even given an explanation for this contradictory anomaly. Did you miss it? of course you did, just like everything else you don't want to see
This is why you won't answer questions.
what questions?
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@keithprosser
very good at blaming other people for his problem in expressing himself.
Example please.
And I am still waiting for you support this claim below,
You seem to believe one verse but not another on no consistent basis
Ok. give me an example, right now. I have asked you twice now to support that ridiculous claim.
The solution is that the Hebrew/Jewish religion changed.
It did, But I notice again that you too have clearly recognise the contradiction (otherwise you wouldn't have given an explanation) but chose to ignore it simply to be contrary AGAIN. You knew from the start what it was that I was "EXPRESSING"
I think both have been explained to Stephen but neither shuts him up!
No one has explained the contradiction between this god and his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
One the one hand there is a god bestowing riches and treasures by the truck load to someone very much on this Earth and on the other his son telling everyone not to bother gathering said riches and treasures.
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@EtrnlVw
Stephen wrote: So to simplify it simply means “you can’t take it with you”.?
No, Jesus also wanted to get the point across to be mindful of what you put your desires in and what are priorities.
But at post 10 and repeated again at post 40 above you wrote
it's the classic Christmas story analogy really, Scrooge spent his entire life valuing treasures on earth (such as stacking chips) while neglecting the more weightier matters of life. This is all Jesus really meant, you can't take with you
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@ethang5
I think Stephen lives in a non-christian, non-western country.
Nope. I live and was born in England, Droitwich Worcestershire to be exact.
From how he repeatedly posts the same thing over and over, he thinks the verses will be shocking to westerners,
Nope, but they should be to theist who try to ignore them. Theist should be ashamed to even contemplate defending these contradictory verses and trying to explain them away as if they all have a deeper “spiritual meaning” that only they understand.
So he thinks just posting the verse is evidence of his loony interpretation.
What “interpretation”? I haven’t made one. I have simply sat back and watched clowns like yourself try to explain them and “interpret" them. Show me where I have “interpreted” anything on this thread, Your lying again.
Because he doesn't understand the verses,
I do. And I agree with EtrnlVw post 10 and Mopac post 4. But no one yet has tried to explain the glaring contradiction between "father" and "son" - of god. You have ONCE AGAIN left it all up to the ATHEIST, to try explain the contradiction.
, he thinks the problem is the verses.
One contradicts the other. it is there there to see.
He has no clue that the problem is in his ignorance.
OPINION
So anyone from a western country familiar with the christian story, theist or atheist, finds his position ridiculous.
OPINION
He claims to not understand things that a 5 year old child would find easy to understand.
No, I ask for explanations to “THINGS” I find C_O_N_T_R_A_D_I_C_T_O_R_Y, look at the title CLOWN I ask for an E_X_P_L_A_N_A_T_I_O_N
He's perfect for tossing for lolz, sort of like a gift to theists.
Only you can never put up a reasonable answer to my queries, can you clown.
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@keithprosser
What I find difficult is to understand what you believe!
I have made that, my stance , perfectly clear on what must be over a hundred occasions now. You seem to have missed it every single time I have explained it.
You seem to believe one verse but not another on no consistent basis
Ok. give me an example, right now.
- that puts atheists and theists off!
How? But before you answer that, You need to put up an example of my inconsistency.
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@ethang5
And you have jumped to yet another verse. As usual.
Nope Its the same one, the ONLY ONE I have responded to mopac with , so STOP TELLING LIES AGAIN!!!!!
. if you are saying I have used two verses then lets have it up for all to see, you ridiculous clown.
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@ethang5
The verse simply says, store up treasures that will last, not the the kind that will rot, be stolen, or fade away. You are too dumb to understand that simplicity. It's funny
Not quite. This is what it actually says
“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. Matthew 6:19-21.
And the Old Testament contradicts that you ABSOLUTE CLOWN, so we have jesus contradicting his own "father".
LOOK YOU clown>>
II Chronicles 1:12, God promised Solomon: “Wisdom and knowledge is granted unto thee; and I will give thee riches, and wealth, and honour, such as none of the kings have had that have been before thee, neither shall there any after they have the like.”
You just cannot explain this can you. You are in fact incredulous not to mention ignorant.
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The point is that it's not a story about god or god commanding people to do anything so the thread title 'God of Rape' is misleading.
Maybe he should have titled it:
"God Doesn't Condemn Rape - Although His Book His is Riddled With The Vile Practice of Rape , And The Taking Of Virgins For Sex Slaves".
Bit of a long winded title, that, methinks
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@disgusted
For those not convinced that “legitimate rape” had a niche in biblical law, consider Deuteronomy 21:11 OR Numbers 31:18 OR Deuteronomy 22: 23-24
state, after the Israelites slaughtered the adult Midianite males, Moses ordered the soldiers to take all the young girls “who have not known a man by lying with him and keep alive for yourselves”;and makes clear that if a (betrothed) virgin is raped in a city and doesn’t cry for help, she should be stoned to death along with the perpetrator.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 states: “If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.”
And no god around it seems to tell moses to stop this vile practice.
It is just as well that Israelis do not practice these vile actions today as do many Muslims who follow the Quran to the letter.
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