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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
This was rich comimhg from the Reverend Tradesecret Brother D.
Tradesecret wrote: No one deserves the ridicule that is so targeted #24
Considering that he has abused me with some of the most vilest uncalled for comments and insults. Not to mention telling me that all the atheist he has met are:
"Drug addled kiddie fiddlers". Fkn disgusting accusation to make of some he doesn't know and has never met. The Polyester Witch was banned for something similar while the Reverend gets a free pass every time.
But the cliff jumping Lemming seems to have ignored this filth from his pin-up boy, Tradesecret.
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@rosends
where in the bible is she suspected of anything?
I said she is un-named in the bible, Rosi. That was not to say the suspicion is raised in the bible.
The extra biblical literature that I have read (Book of Noah if I remember right?) is that Lamec, father of Noah suspected his wife of infidelity because of the strange look of Noah at birth.
Saying to her words to the effect
Then I, went to Bath- Enosh my wife, and I said to here: I want you to make an oath to the Lord Supreme, the king of all worlds that the child is of my seed. Wifey was a bit pissed at this accusation and asked Lamec to "spare her delicate feelings".
I was wondering if she had taken the drinking test - "Sotah" ritual - that you mentioned above?
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@IlDiavolo
The thing that you probably do not realise is that you had won your argument for "ancient alien gods" with probably your fist post. And the bible won your argument for you regardless of what the theist believe. You see if it is as the bible says and the theist believe - that "god" created the Earth thousands of years ago,- then it stands to even their own reasoning and belief that "god" is not of this Earth therefore he is an " ancient alien"... from somewhere else, if the bible is to be believed?Indeed. I've got to recognize that your theory of astrology related to ancient civilizations was a bit odd to me, but as long as I deepened it I ended up realizing it's not an esotheric subject or something of that sorts.
Astronomy is the key to the coming and going of the "gods", D. And to our understanding of them. It is related to everything in their daily lives..... and ours.
I still don’t know how I overlooked it.
Well we all have to start somewhere mate. And you cannot be expected to learn everything in a matter of hours, days or weeks. Although information can be so easily accessed these day and is nothing like my time of libraries and other places of research. You have chosen a deep, sometimes complicated subject. And it is a long hard slog at times. But stick with it, D. Because I found it to be the most fascinating and interesting subject. One that will take you into many other fields.
The "ancient alien gods" of bible use the words - generation and generations a lot. In the case of these "ancient gods" what do you think the may have meant ? D.I don't know. I guess the fathers pass down the knowledge they got from the aliens to their sons until the change of power.
Well again, this involves astronomy. What you have to understand is that the ancient "gods" to begin with, were using their own calendar based on the orbit of their own planet hence the cause of much confusion in their writing when read by our earthly minds.. Another very confusing aspect are the names and titles because they change with time.
Examples: The Anunnaki/Sumerian "god" Marduk became Ra in Egypt also known as "Marduk the invisible". Ningishzidda became Thoth in Egypt that was also known at the other end of the world as Quetzalcoatl.
I mentioned above #97
Jesus said " I am the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end".<<< That also should be significant.
Jesus here is speaking of the celestial "heavenly" House he is claiming to belong to. You may want to keep that in mind.
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@rosends
The mother of Noah. That is un-named in the bible but suspected of infidelity?
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@rosends
the "Sotah" ritual. In this ritual, a woman suspected of adultery, but who swears she hasn't committed it (and whose behavior fits a specific set of requirements) must drink a certain water. If she is innocent, she will become pregnant afterwards, but if she is guilty,אֶת־יְרֵכֵךְ֙ נֹפֶ֔לֶת וְאֶת־בִּטְנֵ֖ךְ צָבָֽה
I wonder, did the un-name wife of Lamech undergo this ritual?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
You thoughts on the never-ending number of people saying shit like.Hes eys went black and it was like he was looking through meAndddd,He looked like the devil.
I don't have any thoughts on that at all, Deb. I do remember a few (nut) cases where the accused were pleading that "the devil made me do it".
No , Deb. of the few NDE episodes that I have read they claim the opposite.
I find that interesting.i think ive witnessed it 3 tims , maybe 2 occasion,AND DEFINITELY on 1 occasion.
Then you are my first.
Also , your eyes dont move in the mirror.Suppression.
They do when you walk away and can't see it happen, Deb.
I intend to contact our subject Psychic/Actor/Grifter to the stupid and author, Mr Wimmer . I shall keep you updated.
Do you think we should have a grifters forum, Deb? I am sure any criminal lawyers here would appreciate it and have would many tales to share with us- even tall ones.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I could do that for like $ 75.00 to $100 bucks.,
Buy his book Deb. One of those on display that appears throughout the video. Of one of those books a reviewer claims;
The Second Eternity $18.95
"the author was elated by what he experienced and the real treasures he brought back and wants to share wit you".
That must be the treasured ability to converse with car keys, that the Psychic Mr Wimmer speaks of.
Or in cases of despair and desperation you can contact Mr Wimmer Psychic/Actor/Grifter to the stupid and author of just 2 book over a period of 47 years for an emergency psychic reading, Here [email protected]
I don't doubt for a second that the Psychic Mr Wimmer will greet you with reply along the lines of:
"Hello Deb. I have been expecting you. I knew you when you was jumping from one ball to the other in your father's scrotum.
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@Lemming
I would like to say of Mr.BrotherD.Thomas though,The Moderators seem to take reports from the targets of harassment more seriously than bystander reports of harassment.I would also like to argue that it is better for the community if individuals who break the DART Code of Conduct are held responsible,
Incitement.
Just can't help yourself , can you Lemming?
I am still waiting for the evidence for the " threats" that you have alleged that I made against you.
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@Path2Paradise
Anyone got any good debates on the topic of the existence of God?
Which one.P2P?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Wholy fuck stephen.You set that mutha fucking scene.
Thank you for the thumbs up, Deb.
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@IlDiavolo
I asked you what the Sign was, not what is believed to occur at the crossing over of the ages/houses.The sign of Pisces is "the fish", for Aquarium it's "the water carrier", but I can't think of any group with the sign of "the water carrier".
Its a man pouring water over the Earth. Given recent times, I'll leave you to realise the significance . But I did mention there are many fields of investigation to your "ancient alien god" theory.
Who has all the power and the knowledge.On the other hand, the Vatican/Rome has been two millenia, that's why I think it's the Vatican/Rome.
On Earth, Corporations are the new "gods" and the Governments are the new Priests of the new Millennia.
I did mention here on page 1 of this thread, > Whichever rout you take, you should eventually come to realise that what went on in the times of the ancients is still going on to this very day, and in every sense you can think of..#11
,That depends on what you believe Jesus meant when he replied "My kingdom is not of this world".I guess he's part of this group that requested the power. All the same, he should be inmortal or live long to still be alive, unless he is an alien.
The sign of the Jesus/ Christianity is the fish the sign of Pisces. In Revelation Jesus said " I am the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end".<<< That also should be significant.
Quietening the theists.
The thing that you probably do not realise is that you had won your argument for "ancient alien gods" with probably your fist post. And the bible won your argument for you regardless of what the theist believe. You see if it is as the bible says and the theist believe - that "god" created the Earth thousands of years ago,- then it stands to even their own reasoning and belief that "god" is not of this Earth therefore he is an " ancient alien"... from somewhere else, if the bible is to be believed?
The "ancient alien gods" of bible use the words - generation and generations a lot. In the case of these "ancient gods" what do you think the may have meant ? D.
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@zedvictor4
Part 1
The patient that identifies himself as Gary L Wimmer Psychic pre-accident . The patient had been in a 70's rock band and his beautiful prophetic visions began when he was 29 years of age 1977, where he says he, "realised that was able to pre-empt his friends and room mates questions" and "see newspaper headlines" through they eyes of others. And that he could "read the minds of strangers on the sidewalk and know what they were thinking," and always had the feeling "something was watching over him" that he believed to be " guardian angels" called "the Monitors". Who he would eventually get to meet.
Diagnosis: Paranoid Schizophrenia.
Part 2
Just before impact with a moving vehicle the patent tells us that while walking to the store that he suddenly felt a warmth and saw what he describes as a "huge bright light shining down on him". The patient relays that he could have reached the source of the light " if only he had a ladder".
Diagnosis: Jacobs [ Ladder] Syndrome.
Part 3
The patient tells us of his meeting with "the Monitors".
" Do you trust us" the "white robed non -binary, faceless monitors". ? beings asked. The patient says he answered " of course, I know you, you the guys I have been feeling with". The patient at this juncture is keen to emphasis that those around him couldn't see who it was that he was conversing with.
Diagnosis: Severe Cognitive Disruption.
Part 4
The patient says that on impact with the "speeding" vehicle that sent him flying through the air that caused him to "expand across to the edge of the universe" breaching its perimeter where he experienced all sorts of wonders that he called "the colours". The colours he also described as a "blue infinite void" gave him the ability to use all his natural human senses while witnessing " the creation and the feeling of free will" and it was at this point the patient says , " I just got it".
Part 5
The patient then tells us that the was "pulled back to Earth through a tunnel of light". It was while on his return journey that he experienced his prophetic visions appearing as a series of "flash cards with newspaper headlines" . S1, he saw 9/11. Covid 19. Global Warming and much more. S2 a thousand years of peace. Exploring space chaos . And much chaos. S3 concerned the patient himself where he discovered that he "knew everything" because he'd "been to heaven and back". Witnesses say he got up immediately after hitting the ground.
Diagnosis: Narcissistic God Complex.
Part 6
The patient returns "home" that is to say , he jumped back into his body. He felt great, no pain and didn't have a mark on him He insisted on walking home but was convinced to stay at the scene and wait for the emergency services. On arrival at the hospital the patient was examined for injuries, there none "at all" no damage "at all". The patient went on to say "there was a "guy" that walked in from the emergency room that he knew because of premonitions that he had about him. he knew his name , where he went to school, he was a psychiatrist".. They got chatting with the "guy" and he told him things that he shouldn't have known; how his son and he had rearranged the home furniture to his wife's displeasure etc where the patient was asked; "how do you know that? t to which the patient replied, "I know everything" ? The patient describes himself to the guy as being able to "tap into anything".
Diagnosis: Severe Narcissistic God Complex.
The "Guy" (Psychiatric Dr) explains to the patient that he needs to be "committed to a psychiatric hospital". He spent some time there in the happiest sate of his life and was offered another ten days.
Diagnosis: The "guy" knew his profession.
For those that have further interest in this thrilling ride into the great beyond, I seriously recommend that they watch it from start to finish.
For those that don't after reading the above I do sincerely recommend that you watch from 10:40 to the end to listen to the tale of the lost talking keys.
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@zedvictor4
Well. I will sum up in brief, Viv. I will be honest, Vic. It reduced me to tears.
Dr askes, how do you know that!? Our subject, Gary L Wimmer says ' I know everything'. The doctor says 'I am sorry but we are going to have to commit you to a psychiatric hospital'.
And at the very end the sycophantic interviewer says, ' where can my viewers contact you for a reading'.
I had tears rolling down my face and my ribs were killing me when he recalled a story about his lost keys.
Can I suggest that yourself and Mrs Vic have a few glasses of your best and settle down for a side-splitting giggle.
I intend to write and submit my full report and present it to the board of DebateArt members in due course for their personal perusal.
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@IlDiavolo
Did you watch the 20 minute video, to the end, D.?
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@IlDiavolo
Luke 21:25-26 "And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken", <<, this is caused by the close proximity other "heavenly bodies" are to the Earth. Similar can be read in Matthew 24:29 ESV "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken".Well, I guess this is what Sitchens referred to as the 12th planet that will come sooner or later to hit the earth. Am I right?
No. I am referring to a combination of planets moving into close proximity to the earth. The gravitational pull can be anything from 3 to ten fold. Simply imagine the effect this has on the Earth. The earth being pulled one way and another, stretched and and caused to move deeper on it axsis. This is the what the ancients called "war in heaven". Sitchin's 12th planet is a bit of a misnomer. This is because the ancients collectively called the planets , sun and moon "heavenly bodies" which total twelve. He actually makes the point of explaining this to his readers. The planet of the "Gods" he refers to as planet X i.e. the tenth planet.... Nibiru.
Did you read this link I posted in my last post above?
But going by your ancient alien/"god" theory , IlDiavolo it is this that should interest you most. Jesus is asked by Pilate, " are you a king"? and Jesus replies: "My kingdom is not of this world". John 18:33-36.Jesus makes clear distinction between the kingdom of heaven (Jerusalem) and the kingdom of "god" in the "heavens".What do you mean? Jesus is already dead, isn't he?
That depends on what you believe Jesus meant when he replied "My kingdom is not of this world".
Pieces/Fish to Aquarius. Look at the sign for Aquarius what do you see?You mean the wars, economic crisis, pests, and so on that are taking place nowadays?
I asked you what the Sign was, not what is believed to occur at the crossing over of the ages/houses.
I have already alluded to this when I said to you, remember what your teacher taught you; knowledge is power. So he, or they, that have all the knowledge have all the power and always will have.. Ordinary people are only given the illusion that we have any power. Ask yourself, who is it that has all the power today?To me there is no institution with more power than the Vatican, the catholic church. They have all the ancient knowledge of this world if you refer to it.
They do wield a lot of power I agree. But they do not have all the power and certainly do not posses all the knowledge.
This is a different story entirely and has to do with "gods" anger at the behaviour of his "son's" coming to earth and raping "the daughters of men" and inso doing defiled themselves. I can suppose that he considered "gods" having intercourse with human women as some sort of bestiality.. But it is nothing to do with the wars of "gods" for control of Earth and its people.Sure. I was just pointing out that aliens have battles, like us.
They created wars, yes . Wars fought by men on behalf of their respective "gods". I have already said, the OT is a book of war and conquest that is only concerned with the health and prosperity of one blood line.
I don't know too much about the bible
Well you are going to have to have one handy if not read it in its entirety. How are you going to cross check what anyone has to say? That's research., D,
But you have to be careful not to present your theories as fact, as Pastors and Priests do, and all the fkn time.Of course not, but I have to say there are coincidences with the information I have, especially the one about the 12th planet.
That depends on what you mean by coincidences. If you mean that many of the stories appear to run parallel with many of the OT Bible stories, you'd be correct.
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@n8nrgim
But the problem you have is "near" death and not death. Sleep paralysis as explained above #157 has the same effect. The sufferer sometimes believes they have left their body. Near death is the same as nearly asleep but not fully asleep when the paralysis kicks in. Instead of kicking in when the sufferer is fast asleep. When I suffered these episodes at a young age I was convinced that I had gone to my brothers room for help shaking him and shouting at him, while my body was laying paralysed stiff in my bed. . When the experiences passed I would get up and go to my brothers room and roust him for not helping me, only to be told I was dreaming and hadn't gone to his room at all. There was no bright light, no floating around the universe and no meeting and conversing with strange shining beings in white hooded cloaks, and neither did I see the future..... just terror and fear.
I just found this;
Sleep Paralysis
ya'll aren't giving reasons why it's not true.
That will be because these experiences are only "witnessed" by those that have experience. And I have agreed above that I don't doubt for a second that your subject/s experienced something unusual.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
n8nrgim..............
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Try beating ◇◇◇◇ 3 mins 25 sec. ◇◇◇◇
FAIL! Deb.
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After reading all of this thread> Author:n8nrgim - it is irrational to argue that there's no evidence for the afterlife
I went to YouTube and typed in - NDE and put it on auto scroll. I stopped it at random and watched then watched this.
I don't want to spoil the ending so take just 20 min to watch it until then end.
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@IlDiavolo
Try reading Divine Encounters Zecharia Sitchen. I believe it is right up your street and you'll enjoy it.There is a lot to go over, but what drew my attention the most is what you already presented about the twelve signs of the Zodiac. I've seen we're in the Piscis Era, which started around the times of Jesus and will end supposedly around our times.
There are no short answers to the things you are asking but I will try to keep them brief. But read this post first. I hate covering ground already trodden. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/10145-neither-angels-nor-gods-but-an-alien-team-the-preface-to-an-awaited-fall-of-religions?page=3&post_number=64
And from what I have to say, I would rather you work some of this out for yourself rather than me put words and thoughts into your mouth and mind. I am only writing what I believe as I understand it. I will never claim to have proof. I am not that "stupid or dumb as fuck" as one absolute arrogant wanker here believes me to be.
I will, as best I can, offer you what I believe is BIBLICAL evidence that may well support your theory.
When looking at this from the religio/biblical side of the argument there is multiple biblical evidence for what I am suggesting. So I'll cover just few of them from the NT.
The wise men are said to have "seen HIS star". Matthew 2:2 " We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.” To me clearly indicates that they were astronomers /priests and had been searching or waiting for this sign in the sky "heavens" . What's more, they knew what it meant.
Jesus calls out the puppet priests for their lack of knowledge concerning the " heavens".
Matthew 16:1-4 "You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times". Adding: An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah. This is a clear reference to the Fish; Pieces. See Jonah 1:17
The Priests, if they had been legitimate, would have known these rules and although the signs were all around them in the Temple, they didn't seem to know what they signified. It was a Zodiac of the twelve constellation and adorned with emblems and depictions resembling all things celestial. The bible, Old or New Testaments gives no mention of what the inside of the Temple looked like it only refers to it structure, size and materials used.. So your question here is, how did Jesus appear to know all about these things but not the priest of his time?
Jesus himself speaks of the signs of the "end of the age". Matthew 24:3-14 ESV and refers to them as the "birth pains". i.e. the beginning of the end times, as a women in labour and due to give birth. Revelation goes a little further and speaks of what happens during and what follows any war and natural disaster in those times. Going so far as to talk the black market caused by starvation and inflation, disease and pest infestation and inflation of the price of food. Try to imagine what is must have been like 2000 years ago; no sanitation, no medicine, no doctors, hospitals or emergency services and all the while the earth is literally crumbling around you.
Luke 21:25-26 "And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken", <<, this is caused by the close proximity other "heavenly bodies" are to the Earth. Similar can be read in Matthew 24:29 ESV "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken".
But going by your ancient alien/"god" theory , IlDiavolo it is this that should interest you most. Jesus is asked by Pilate, " are you a king"? and Jesus replies: "My kingdom is not of this world". John 18:33-36.
Jesus makes clear distinction between the kingdom of heaven (Jerusalem) and the kingdom of "god" in the "heavens".
So for me, there is no getting away from the fact that astronomy/astrology is the key, the sole KEY to what these ancient priests and kings were ruled by and these were "the mysteries of heaven" that Jesus taught to the very few of his followers. Thy "WILL" be done on earth as it is in the heavens. Who was offered the key? And to what was the key to, according to the biblical authors.
Pieces/Fish to Aquarius. Look at the sign for Aquarius what do you see?
From what I understand, the power is handed over each time there is a change of an era. What kind of power is it?
The "god" of "gods" has the overall power.
And yes, those were the rules agreed upon by the council of the "gods". Psalm 82 The Sumerians tell us that the sky, Earth and the nations was divided by the "gods" into twelve houses/tribes with the son's of "god" to rule over each house, the bible supports this I believe in; Deuteronomy 32.8-9 But it has to be kept in mind that the "gods" went by a different measurement of time. With us, time as you know is measured by the movement/ orbit of the earth around the sun. it is clear from many statements made in the scriptures that the "gods" measured time (to begin with) by the orbit of their own heavenly body around the Sun. And it is maybe for this reason that the bible says: " A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day".
Who holds the power right now?
I have already alluded to this when I said to you, remember what your teacher taught you; knowledge is power. So he, or they, that have all the knowledge have all the power and always will have.. Ordinary people are only given the illusion that we have any power. Ask yourself, who is it that has all the power today?
Sitchen talks about Marduk who was a babylonian "God" of the last era and fighted with other "Gods" for the power.
And as I have already mentioned, when ever these cross- overs happen, the outgoing house doesn't simply surrender power without a fight. In the case of the son of a "god" Marduk the Sumerians tell us in the Enuma Elish that he called time far too early and this caused a great war that ended in the fall and destruction of many cities in Mesopotamia...... including Babylon. Not all of these houses /ages are the same length. So in other words, Marduk couldn't tell the time.
And Marduk (who is mentioned in the bible) was sent into exile and became known as the "invisible god"<<< does that ring any bells?
These battles are also mentioned in the bible, Lucifer for example is one of the "fallen angels" defeated during those battles.
This is a different story entirely and has to do with "gods" anger at the behaviour of his "son's" coming to earth and raping "the daughters of men" and inso doing defiled themselves. I can suppose that he considered "gods" having intercourse with human women as some sort of bestiality.. But it is nothing to do with the wars of "gods" for control of Earth and its people.
It can be related to our times
I agree it certainly can. The Old Testaments records a few of the cross overs. Prediluvian and Antediluvian.
But you have to be careful not to present your theories as fact, as Pastors and Priests do, and all the fkn time.
I personally believe that you are on the right track and shouldn't give up your research, ideas or studies just because some thick, prick Pastor attempts to debunk you..... and in my case failed all of the time, every time.
I think I have covered what you have asked me about. If I haven't then simply ask again. D.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Youve said some pretty harsh stuff about , downunder.
England's biggest open prison.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I wouldn't eat a whole baby jesus.I only really wanted like a couple of slices of him.A taste you know.
So a couple of holy wafers washed down with a little wine wouldn't suffice then, Deb?
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@n8nrgim
if people are accurately describing what happens outside of their body... this has meaning and significance, scientifically.
That still leaves the point that only the "person" himself is witness to his experience. Have you witnessed anyone having out of body experience?
if out of body experiences are literally being indicated,
Indicated by whom? The one that is claiming to have had the experience, or an independent witness.
that gives weight to the idea that there's an afterlife,
It does nothing of the sort unless it has been independently witnessed.
given these concepts are almost always intricately related.
"concept" that being '- of the mind' ?
ya'll are not arguing coherently or rationally.
Well that may be because that you have not offered anything other than someone's description of an experience that they had.
I don't doubt for a second that your subject/s experienced something unusual.
I have suffered from sleep paralysis since my early teens. At that age it is extremely frightening. But, it turns out that it is a safety mechanism that stops someone physically acting out their dreams or nightmares which kicks in once you are asleep. Only with some people the paralysis kicks in before one is sound asleep and the paralysis can be experienced while awake. I don't joke when I say that it is terrifying. It feels like you have been buried alive is the only way I can explain it.
Thankfully these experiences become few and far between with age.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Stephen doesn't knows that Zeds extremely knowledgeable.
I have no reason to believe he is not and many reasons to believe he is, Deb.
Stephen and Brother D are current , jahova witnesesesees.
Well I can't say I witnessed anything Deb. The accident must have happened before I come across the scene.
The Reverend got the attention he so craved , Deb. Only, it wasn't the kind of attention he carved.
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@IlDiavolo
So you can see what it is you are up against when conversing with such a contradictory clown in denial of the BIBLICAL facts, IlDiavoloI understand now why you and BrotherD keep bashing this little man
I don't speak for the Brother D. He is clever enough to argue his own corner.
The reason I posted #82 wash simply to show you what a contradictory clown he is when the situation suites him.
His claims of how flawless, perfect, clear , unambiguous and understandable the BIBLE is in English on the one hand, while warning the BIBLE is not to be taken literally and is "not an easy book but a hard book to read".
But states to you: I take the Hebrew view of heaven, not the Greek Version.#63 <<<<<<<<<< this is a perfect example of a pseudo intellectual, that is to say a person who wants to be thought of as having a lot of intelligence and knowledge but who is not really intelligent or knowledgeable at all.
Yet here he is claiming that beings that the BIBLE clearly described as men, literally have wings. Here's a simply question that you should have asked the clown:
Why would god need his feet washing? Genesis 18:4
And the reason I - to use your word - "bash" the Reverend Tradesecret is because he made the silly and haughty schoolboy error of calling me, someone that he had never met, among many other nasty things " stupid and dumb as Fuck". #161 and a complete "idiot" #186 . So I simply set out to prove which of us was the real
" complete idiot" and who it really is that is "dumb as fuck".
And I only "bash" the Reverend Tradesecret if and when I have good reason to do so and when he himself presents the opportunity... which, to my amusement, is quite often.
It's really annoying to read stubborn people like him, it's like dealing with a flat earther. Lol.
I don't find it annoying in the slightest. He has made many statements on your thread that I could have easily dismissed him for. Such as this shite:
Tradesecret wrote: I probably engage in pagan rituals and beliefs that I don't know arepagan. Most people might. Yet, I am open to changing things ifnecessary. #63
Do you not see what is wrong with that statement? THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ from an ordained minister of the clergy that preaches to "a congregation of over300 worshipers" admitting to not knowing "IF or NOT" he is practicing pagan rituals!!!? You should have asked the clown why he thinks that? And why he doesn't know one way or the other ?
And this:
Tradesecret wrote: God doesn't need to mount a cherub. that would be weird. But sincethe text is not saying any of those things, we don't even need toengage with these things. #71
THIS^^^^ is the bible denying Reverend at his best. The BIBLE text clearly does say those things> "He mounted the cherubim and flew;
he soared on the wings of the wind" Psalm 18:9-10
You see; after all his claims concerning his exemplary theological/biblical training and his status within the clergy of being an ordained "Pastor and a Chaplain to his countries armed forces" and his incredible and amazing ability to be able to "memorise the bible backwards and forwards from very early age" and ability to "translate ancient languages into English", I think that that he is the perfect nomination for anyone that deems themselves to be "dumb as fuck" and a complete "idiot" when it comes to the biblical and theological matters , don't you, IlDiavolo ? After all, this is the man that also claims to " charge universities to train and tutor their students" on such matters...... which brings me to scratch my head and wonder why the hell he blocked me!😂
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Try reading Divine Encounters Zecharia Sitchen. I believe it is right up your street and you'll enjoy it.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Stephen, this could be a great sermon for Miss Tradesecret to bring forth to her congregation next Sunday, yes?
Yes, it would be Brother D. but for 3 issues. (1) he's a liar. (2) he doesn't the first thing about scriptures (3) his " congregation " only exists in his own head.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
- That the Scriptures were fulfilled.
- That Christ will return some day - to judge the world.
Well just randomly picking a couple of his/her bullet points shown above, Brother D. These are contradictory statements for one that claims to be a "half preterist". But s/he's to dumb to realise and remember what s/he has written in the past. Like I keep saying, the believability of the lie is of no consequence to a narcissistic compulsive liar.
And of course , s/he offers no supporting evidence for any of those 24 claims made in the OP.
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Bezalel is said to have made Cherubim as was Solomon.
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@IlDiavolo
Tradesecret wrote:I take the Hebrew view of heaven, not the Greek Version.#63Perhaps what might be helpful if you can show how the Isaiah HebrewText has changed? That might be nice. If they are notwings, then what are they?#50And since there are two aspects here it is important that every modern translation of the bible- uses the same underlying text. It is primarily the KJV which actually uses a different underlying text.#31
This will be the KJV bible that is "unshakeable" where the Reverend Tradesecret says " - the authors are "crystal clear" #55 "aboutwhat they want to communicate". #62
and the same bible that is:
Tradesecret wrote: Themost authoritative source is the Bible. #54
This from the same man that admits that the bible was written, in his "expert" opinion, by
Tradesecret wrote:"Theinfallible God [that]used fallible men to write his word to us - usingtheir fallible tools and minds but nevertheless speaking the mind andword of God". #9
And tells us that;
Tradesecret wrote:TheBible is a primary source for me. In ancient times, God spoke throughthe prophets, in the last days he spoke through his son.#31
Tradesecret wrote: Everyword of God remains flawless.#49
but then also tells us;
I never take the bible literal#50
And adds;
Tradesecret wrote: "Iam comfortable with our English bible translators and their attemptsto convey the right balance as they understand it".#39
You have to ask yourself then why demand proof and evidence in Hebrew or from the Hebrew text, when the bible written in English is so "crystal clear, perfect, flawless, unambiguous, and the most authoritative primary source" that it is able to be the most trusted of all biblical literature ..... although written by "fallible men" but "never taken literal"?
So you can see what it is you are up against when conversing with such a contradictory clown in denial of the BIBLICAL facts, IlDiavolo
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
Bible Stupid Miss Tradesecret truly is with her opinionated propositions in her initial post without any biblical vouchsafing?
Its all very well having an opinion Brother D. But I am struggling to remember a time when the Reverend Tradesecret has ever provided the necessary evidence or justification to be considered valid or reliable for any opinion that s/he always presents as biblical fact. This is not to mention the point of his continued contradictions.
If he was honest, he would at least admit the the virgin birth is a rehashed story no just from other cultures, but from Old Testamant Stories.
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@Mr.BrotherD.Thomas
perhaps God?"
No end, is there Brother D.?
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@IlDiavolo
IlDiavolo wrote @ Tradsecret: #56How do you think the ancient people would describe a pilot that get off an airplane that has just landed? Or even better, a man with a jet suit? Do they have wings?IlDiavolo wrote @ Tradesecret: You did't answer my question. Do pilots have wings?Or else, let's put it simpler. Does a man need wings to fly?#60Tradesecret wrote: And how would they describe a person who looks like a man who has wings and flies? #57
A question answered with a question, Typical.
That's called -procrastination - where I come from. But a man that looks like a man is a MAN (or a robot). If I remember correctly the companion of Gilgamesh was described as a bloodless MAN? I could have him confused with another character from Mesopotamia.
The bible states clearly that "angels" and the "gods" were men.
And a MAN that has "wings" is called a Pilot - which indicates aircraft.
Your reply here #39 explains it all. And if "angels" are spiritual beings, why would they need wings?
There must be baby angels too as some art depicts babies with wings. But without searching the corners of my memory, I don't recall any baby angels mentioned in the scriptures, they are all described as MEN.
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@zedvictor4
Seeding more logical in my opinion. Though perhaps we will be the ones who sow the seeds.
Well that is where the Sumerians agree with you....
They have it that the Earth was already "seeded" when the Elohim / gods "came down". But more interesting to me was that the "gods" go further and were able to explain to the man (that they had engineered? ) how the Earth as we know and understand it came about.
In as few words as possible, and from memory again;
They described it as a "battle of the heavenly bodies". Earth, according to them, was a blue planet that is to say it was a solid mass that water covered. Collision/s with other/s "heavenly bodies" causing the water to be separated . The Marianas Trench leaps to mind.
The Old Testamant states similar. Only it says it was "god" that did it by his own fair hand. Genesis 1:7 .
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Genesis 1:7 .
I think it is the a case of the planets being personified simply for the reason that it was the easiest way of explaining to their brand new creation?
With that said and the personification of a planet in mind, Vic, what if Gen1:7 was written like so?
And [God]: another planet caused the firmament, to be divided from the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament.
There have been quite a few articles publishes over recent years asking and suggesting that Earth was once a water covered planet.
Earth may have been a water world 3 billion years ago.
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@zedvictor4
I did say above I was attempting things from memory and said to you:
" I remember correctly (don't hold me to it) this too takes 72 years to complete one circular "wobble" this give us the "celestial age" the Earth is in.#48
My memory wasn't too bad as it turns out, Vic.
What I was attempting to explain to you was what is known as Procession, that will be the "wobble". As an observer from Earth pinpoints the Sun on a fixed date such as the 1st day of spring against the zodiac constellations that act as a backdrop in space (the heavens). Caused by the fact that the Earths' axis is inclined (tilted) relatively to it plain of around the Sun, this retardation/Procession is as i mentioned relatively small- in terms of human lifespans: in 72 years the shift in the zodiac is only just 1° of the 360° celestial circle.
"Since the zodiac circle surrounding the band in which the Earth and other planets orbit around the Sun was divided into 12 house, each take up one twelfth of the full circle or a celestial space of 30°. So takes Earth years 2,160 - 72x30 - to retard through the of the zodiac house. That is to say, if an astronomer on Earth has been observing (as they do today) the spring day when the Sun began to rise against the constellation/ House of Pisces, his descendants 2,160 later would observe the event with the Sun against the backdrop of the adjacent or incoming constellation, the House of Aquarius". (E. Velikovsky)
" With these numbers I don't doubt that you will say, 'well no man or even no nation could have observed, noted or understood the event of the phenomena:
Yet the evidence is irrefutable; the Sumerians who began their calendar (time counting) with the age of Taurus 4400BC were aware and recorded in their astronomical lists the previous Precessional shifts to Gemini 6500BC. cancer 8700BC, and Leo10,900BC. So as one would expect it was duly recognised 2200BC- the first day of spring New Year to the peoples of Mesopotamia- retarded a full 30° and shifted and had shifted to the constellation or "AGE" or Aries the Ram".(Z. Sitchin). .......
......and the house of the biblical Abram/Abraham of Ur-Uk in Mesopotamia.
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@IlDiavolo
As I said, the human is not adapted to any environment of the earth,
I think that it was me that said that HERE>
Stephen Wrote: Man in my opinion is probably the most ill equipped creature on earth to be able to survive out in the open in its natural state. #43
According to them, the elohim of the bible were the genetic engineers.
Maybe. The Sumarians tell us a lot about doctors, which could cover a very large field. The Lord "Enki/Ea and his wife Ninhursa we are told were "the physicians" and responsible for creating "a primitive worker".
The sumerian mythology says that the ancient gods created the human being to do the hard job while they enjoy a luxury life.
Yes. I told you that above and also told you that this bible also alludes to this. Here #8 and I also said HERE> "I can guarantee you this, if the bible is to be believed even in part, the biblical god gives absolutely no reason whatsoever for creating THE Adam other than to toil & till the land. And ask yourself what does "till" in this BIBLICAL sense mean? You will find a clue here> Genesis 2:11-13.#11
they [the gods]reached a high level of evolution sacrificing the capability of having emotions, they are emotionless.
Not according to the Sumerians or the bible. Some were malevolent and some benevolent. Where-as the OT bible appears, on the surface at least, to concentrate and focus on one war mongering, murdering sadistic and jealous psychopathic "god" that believes human life is cheap and will kill men, women, and children simply on a wager- see the short story of Job where this particular "god" would murder 10 children at the drop of a hat for a bet>> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%201&version=NIV The NT clearly speaks of different entity altogether.
And this is why I will always maintain that if the bible is to be believed at all, then the "god" of the New Testamant that Jesus speaks about simply cannot be the same "god" of the Old Testamant.
As I have explained above, it appears that it was a new "god" for the new age as I explained above.
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@zedvictor4
Interesting stuff Stephen.
I find it all extremally captivating, Vic.
At the moment I'm reading The Body by Bill Bryson.
Just had a quick read of the synopsis. Looks interesting..
The section concerning the brain caught my eye.
Anyway. It looks like a spring morning here , Vic. And its pub for me to day.
Have a nice day my mate.
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@zedvictor4
Sort of always happening.
Very true.
From memory I can say this;
My point is the cause of these natural disasters are caused by other planets in close proximity to Earth. We know for instance that the moon has an effect on earths tides. Gravitational pull. This along with just another one or two planets coming close enough to have the same effect x three stretching and pulling our planet in all directions causes a lot of destruction. These are cyclical events and happen at certain time periods and sometimes ages apart.
On top of this it has to be taken into account Earths own orbit that is also elliptical - nearest to and furthest away.
Our own planet Earth never returns to the same place. It retards 1 arc degree every 72 years. On top of this Earth has a "wobble" on its axis, if you can imagine a spinning top slowing down and if I remember correctly (don't hold me to it) this too takes 72 years to complete one circular "wobble" this give us the "celestial age" the Earth is in.
Take all of the above happening at the same time and we have chaos on Earth with many of the "natural" disaster coming thick and fast as if all at once and on top of one another.
Climate change is caused by the retardation of the Earths orbit, ushering in an ice age at its furthest point away and warmer Earth at its closest point. I could break this down further but I am too idle to go rummaging through my books, Vic. But bare in mind what it must have been like for those in the time of the ancients with no emergency services or aid agencies to rely and fall back on. And all the while not knowing what the fk caused it?
As I mentioned above to IlDiavolo #44 , the study of religion/ the bible and the ancients is no easy subject, it goes very deep and covers many fields. And depends on interest and determination of he that is doing the searching.
If one sets out to prove genetic manipulation by ancient " gods" then the place to start would be to research DNA?, something people of my age had no chance of doing growing up. The chain hadn't even been discovered, but now the sequence has been tracked and mapped.
But as I keep saying, we are in the 21st century now with information at our finger tips. We can access information with a click. And to think the "gods" or one of them at least, didn't want us to partake of the tree of knowledge. There are times I feel I can agree with them because for some , ignorance really is bliss. But for me, I was never the type to settle for the first answer I receive.
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@FLRW
there is no Human life anywhere in the Universe except on Earth.
Correct.
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@zedvictor4
-->@<<<Stephen>>>@IlDiavoloJesus!! HaHa. As you and Stephen point out, and as I never actually disagree with. The Alien intervention hypothesis, is a valid hypothesis.So not so sceptical in that respect.
I have , Vic, reminded IlDiavolo of a comment I made to him over 30 posts ago.
Stephen wrote: Scepticism is an excellent tool for any researcher. You appear to be confusing it with outright dismissal which neither "zed" nor I have done. #11
And given Zed's Law of universal sameness, I'm definitely very sceptical of the "Orbit" excuse Stephen.
And so you should be very sceptical. My explanation would be the actual orbit. For this I would refer to Kepler's First Law: each planet's orbit about the Sun is an ellipse. The Sun's center is always located at one focus of the orbital ellipse. The Sun is at one focus. The planet follows the ellipse in its orbit, meaning that the planet to Sun distance is constantly changing as the planet goes around its orbit.
i.e the planet of origin of the "ancient gods" has is an elliptical orbit (a nearest to and furthest from) . It must have the biggest orbit in our solar system. The Sumerians called it Niberu.
So, seeding is a more likely option, and fits nicely with what we know about species development, species similarities and developmental time scales.
I agree. But as I have suggested, Darwin's theory all seems feasible until we get to Homo sapiens, (Latin: “wise man”) the species to which all modern human beings belong.
Nonetheless still begs the question as to why life developed, wherever it developed.
Yep, one of the unsolved mysteries. Fantastic, isn't it Vic.
Isn't it as likely to develop here as it is anywhere else?
Indeed. As I have always maintained. It would be ignorant not to mention pretty arrogant of us to believe that we were the only species of living organisms in the solar system/universe.
All aspects of evolution are slow, relative to a lifespan.
This is a good point. Evolution aside and as far as the OP is concerned, life span is a bit of a stumbling block for any researcher of the bible and its stories. Humans do not life long enough to witness the actual time that the changes from one house to another occur. But some do.
I will get back to you on that when I have a bit more time, Vic. But for now, from my own research , these changes always seem to happen when the planets are in chaos. That is to say when more than one of the planets in our solar system are close to and/or aligned with our Earth they have a massive and destructive devastating effect on the Earth. I am convinced , Vic that it has everything to do with the "signs of the age".
Jesus said when speaking to the false priests:
"and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.
And Jesus also said when asked what signs to look for:
You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.
On earth as it is in heaven , Vic. Utter chaos.
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@IlDiavolo
Lets clear this up before I go any further.
IlDiavolo wrote @ zedvictor4 : No kidding, Vic, but you're the most skeptic person I've ever seen in my fucking life.Jesus!! ROFL
Well you must have missed this posted back at post 11
Stephen wrote: Scepticism is an excellent tool for any researcher. You appear to be confusing it with outright dismissal which neither "zed" nor I have done. #11
So with that hopefully cleared up:
I can believe the adaptation of species ocurred as Darwin said, but not in the case of the human who is not adapted to any environment in the earth.
And I agreed with you on that point a few times. In fact it was me that said so first on your thread;
So to repeat my self again:
Stephen wrote: I agree in part. Where humans stand, evolution for me only appears to make sense up to a point. And then in my opinion, there seems to be a giant leap. It's as if humans, that is to say" homo sapien sapien or upright thinking man , just seemingly appears out nowhere and living in cities of Mesopotamia including Uruk, Akadia Babylon and others.#8
To further that point we have to first ask - what are to me - some basic questions. Such as; If we are to go with Darwin's theory, why did man have to lose all his body hair only to then be forced to go out and kill another animal for its coast? Why are we the only animal that needs fire to keep our bodies warm? Even the Nomads of the some of the earths hottest places need fire to keep warm at night? Man in my opinion is probably the most ill equipped creature on earth to be able to survive out in the open in its natural state. darwin didn't answer these questions and neither has Sir David Attenborough to my knowledge.
What you do not seem to appreciate is the fact that what you are looking at and aiming to prove is a deep, deep subject with many aspects to it and not just "religion".
For instance have you tried researching the human genome? Because this is integral to what you are claiming and are hoping to prove. And, depending how serious you decide to take your theory/hypothesis, there are these components to consider geography, archelogy, petrology, mineralogy, art, nature, geology, physics, ancient history, astronomy, astrology medicine, the space age, monetary system and many more including the Bible. I would recommend that your starting point would be historian Josephus. Hence my 40+ years of scrutinising and questioning the bible. And these are just a few thing you need to know about when coming to the table with your beliefs, ideas and theories.
Over a week ago when you were contemplating creating this thread I did say to you HERE> Stephen wrote: You obviously have to be prepared for push back and understand your subject yourself. #35
There are UFO paintings in the caves so this says that the aliens were here even before the great ancient civilizations started off.
I have covered this aspect in my own research in threads I have created on this forum.
There are many medieval paintings hanging in galleries around the world that depict what we can only describe as "space ships". The most famous that I can recall is the 18century Aert De Gelder’s ‘Baptism of Christ’, painted in 1710. And if that is not a space craft, then I would like to know what others would call it?
I guess it has something to do with the "blue blood" of the royalty, families that didn't want to mix their blood in order to hold the power.
Something along those lines. But the mixing of the blood / houses came much, much later and usually as part of peace treaty.
There are many thing I would like to know because I don't think it's a concidence that the jews own the global financial system.
Who knows? But that is going far away from the point of your own thread. So lets try to remain on track. For now, You are posing genetic intervention in the creation of human beings by ancient alien gods. From what you believe of your theories so far, what are your conclusions and how and why did you come to them?
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@zedvictor4
Yep. They all saw them flying machines.So we have to give some credence to the hypothesis.
As did the Aztec, Mayan & Inca located at the other end of the Earth.
Though funny how none of them saw the same aliens.
" Alien" . Pretty modern word. As I have said many times, the ancients simply called them Lords. They had always known them . And it would take me a while to explain my own theory as to why the first generations had known them as nothing unusual while later generations were in absolute wonder of them to the point of being frightened of them. But if there be any credence to the theory it may have been the case that they may had been coming and going at specific designated times.
From my understanding of what we get from the Sumerians, these lords/ "aliens" had a "longer count to their orbit" on the planet of their origin than the orbit of Earths count. That is to say, to begin with they went by a different clock to us. Hence the reason they had to keep an watchful eye on the "heavens" and their obsession with the movements of the "heavenly bodies" Astronomy. This celestial clock it seems, dictated just about everything that happened and still happens here earth;
I suppose we could say ; "on earth as it is in heaven". <see what I did there Vic ? 😁
And funny how none of those aliens bothered to come back.
Haven't come back - yet, in our time - as far as we mere working class skivvies know, that is. My theory is as I mentioned above , that it may well be everything to do with the celestial clock. To simplify; they have a longer orbit, they can only come and go when their own position in obit brought them into range. So, if say one orbit to complete last over a thousand years it would be only at this time they could come... and go because they were near enough to make the journey, . And coincidently even the New Testament suggests something along those lines.
Must be better planets elsewhere.
Or worse.
Maybe as I mentioned above, that they has fkd up their own place to a point that they had to find another place to fk up? Which, if I remember correctly the Sumerians seem to suggest was the reason?
Anyway. We got high winds (seem to be dying down though) , it freezing cold and insisting down with rain here, Vic. How about Wales?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Hey Zed.Have you noticed how stephen doesn't get sarcasm. ???Thats suss.hey ?Warning warning. Take note.The other day in one of my post i said.One word( double standards )Stephen fires back with.Thats two words deb.
Yep, its called sarcasm Deb, my mate. And said in jest too.😀
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@IlDiavolo
I can't figure out what you're trying to tell me. I don't know much about the Sumerian civilization.
And the reason for that is that I don't want to make up your mind for you, although you appear to be convinced without any influence from me..
I don't know much about the Sumerian civilization.
That is a pity. It is probably the only way that you can begin to understand what is going on in the Old Testament and the nature of the "gods".
As I have mentioned Mauro Biglino & Paul Willis; a Church Deacon, have come on the shoulders of giants and are quite late to the "ancient alien/gods" party. To their credit they do further the theory and this may well be down to the fact that more and more information has and is still being unearthed and discovered technology and the personal computer since, for instance, Immanuel Velikovsky, Zecharia Sitchin, Von Däniken had first posed the idea of "ancient alien god" theory. We can now reaseach information at the speed of light where as the likes of my self and those authors I mention spent years in libraries and other places of research and our faces stuck between the pages of books.
As I said, I don't claim Darwin's theory is not plausible.
It is very plausible, up to the point. And from what I can make out, the Earth and its living creatures (however it & they came about) was doing quite well on its own before the "gods came down" and appear to have fkd everything up.
What I understand is that these aliens handed over all their knowledge to their enslaved "Adams" before leaving the planet, so as a consequence these "Adams" started to do what their fathers did with them, which is enslave people. I guess this modus operandi has survived ever since.
Well this is where the Sumerian text once again come in handy. They make it categorically clear why they created the Adama. And further reading they explain why they had to ' hand down kingship ', which can be explained in easier terms as - they needed a manager/ go between a King.
It goes something like this. They were beginning to become outnumbered hence losing control. The "gods" in their first attempt at controlling their creation had already divided the Earth into sections of twelve regions/houses where a "god" ruled over a region and one "god" became "god" of the gods. This too is alluded to in the Old Testament. You may well ask at this point, well who chose the "god of gods"? Simply answer is, they took it in turns. When the celestial clock/ Zodiac crossed over from one house to another this was the "signs in the sky" for the "god" of the incoming house to rule. You may well understand by now that this was the reason the people were divided into 12 tribes/ houses. And it was eventually at these crossing over points that the wars of "gods and men" began. And for the reason I have explained many times on this forum the last being here>
But I am running the risk here of causing you information overload, because there is a lot to take in.
But let me go back to what I said here- they needed a manager/ go between/ a King. It is here that causes confusion for many. Priests to begin with were nothing more than gofer's to the "gods". They had nothing much to do with the general population. They were, to put it simply, selected from among men to run "god" a bath, do his washing and cleaning and other household chores.
Those they called prophets selected from among the priests - one from each house were the link between gods and men and came with "words from god" direct. When the population once again grew unmanageable it was at this point a king was selected by "god" and "kingship was handed down". King/s were in direct charge of the people but under the directions and commands of the "god" of his house, the Prophets became the go-betweens between the god and the King. Paul Wallis in your link alludes to exactly this saying of Ezekiel " keep your people in line"; to keep them more manageable, HERE>
38 minutes in.
Yes, I did but I still think it over. It looks like you're an enthusiast of the Zodiac but I can't tell yet.
You'll have noticed then that in my last two paragraphs that I have shown you why Astronomy /astrology were of high importance to the "gods". It marked time, a celestial clock, the zodiac calendar in the sky that only "ancient astronauts" needed to know. Jesus alludes to the " heavenly" clock often.
And now you know why I am "enthusiast of the Zodiac". It because the "gods" were. And they had to be because everything depended on it as far as they were concerned.
I shall leave it there for now.
All good fun, eh
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@zedvictor4
Hinduism has four armed people.
It is symbolic of what we call today "multi tasking". Vic. Something Mrs Stephen says I am hopeless at.
Obviously from another planet.
Have you ever heard the reference to something called 'Vimana' in Indian religion, Vic?
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@IlDiavolo
I will give you my opinion on those later. When and if you can confirm whether or not you have read my last post to you here>#17 ?Yes, I did but I still think it over. It looks like you're an enthusiast of the Zodiac but I can't tell yet.
Only in the sense that it is because the ancients were obsessed with it.
Did you watch those links all the way through yourself?
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@Best.Korea
Tradesecret wrote:@Best.KoreaBoring? Someone has said the word "boring" is a modern word. Before the word became part of our vernacular, the people who were inclined (pardon the pun) towards needing to be excited by something else, were considered to be slothful.Hence to suggest something is boring is a sign of someone being lazy.
The Bible is only boring when it is preached by ignorant, boring, dulcet dunces such as Pastors , Chaplains, Priests that don't have a clue about what they themselves are reading to others. And that have been far too "lazy" and "slothful " to study it themselves.
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@IlDiavolo
I have just revisited some of my posts and noticed that I have covered some of this subject with you on threads that you had already created on this particular subject.
06.06.2023 back in June I wrote:
IlDiavolo wrote: Elijah was taken to heaven by a "chariot of fire",
Stephen wrote: Indeed. There are many refences in the BIBLE to beings coming and going on "clouds" and craft (chariots) that they couldn't explain for lack of understanding .
A bit like this I should imagine:
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On another of your threads .
In July I wrote:
About the creation of Eve and When we read the biblical and even much earlier Sumerian accounts we can read clearly that there was no such thing as religion. These "beings" were simply called "Lords" and priests were raised above the general population to serve only them in simply daily tasks and to serve in their homes/temples, just as the bible says.
The Lords taught these chosen to read and write "spelling" and how to count-arithmetic and became learned "men of old".
Jewish Historian Josephus writes of characters such as those of the bloodline of Adam, Enoch and Seth and other of their offspring being highly educated knowing all about the solar system and the movements of the planets, including the some times devastating effects that these "heavenly bodies" have on the earth. - i.e. the were taught "the mysteries of the heavens" which today we simply call space. Josephus refers to it as a "peculiar science".
Same month same thread I wrote:
The problem that we higher educated, being more intelligent, more advance than those of ancient peoples have, is that we would have to ask , is it one of theirs or one of our own?
Have you read the 1970's Chariots of the Gods? It poses some brilliant questions.
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More recent 11.24.2023 I must have missed this thread of yours although you appear to have addressed your OP of thread to me directly. I gave no replies.
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On this thread that you created 08.10.2023
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This caught my eye.
IlDiavolo wrote; we are sent to this fucking world to accomplish a mission: make the human being evolve.
I was trying to remember where I had read something very similar.
I think it was here;
The “Lost Book of Enki” is written by Zecharia Sitchin who accurately describes the Great Flood that occurred in the age of Leo, some 12,500 years ago when the planet Nibiru neared Earth.
An interesting read whatever one's beliefs.
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You might be asking yourself the reason why I am showing you these threads created by you? The reason is that you have started a few threads on this subject and not once do you appeared to have furthered or followed through... with anything.
Will you also be leaving and allowing this thread to disappear and drop down the pages?.
I have watched your links from YouTube that you have offered
Here at post>#9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kih1mdMhoo8&t=5s - KAVOD is translated as "glory" but it means "heavy object that stands out".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FD_FdZtMWk&t=1121s - RUACH is translated as "spirit" but it means "gust of wind" caused by an object.
I will give you my opinion on those later. When and if you can confirm whether or not you have read my last post to you here>#17 ?
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So yes I suppose one could call it a "fun" read. I would go as so far to say it is a quite a ' rollercoaster' , BKHeh, Christians do quote it a lot, at least the non-bloody parts.
Correct. They give the vileness, ruthlessness and barbarity of god a great big swerve. Reporting only the parts they consider fluffy, cuddly and nice. If they could have gotten away with no mention of the vile execution of Jesus they would have I am sure. But then, they did have to have their dying and rising god as many civilisations had before Jesus.
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Some might say "gospels are fun".
Do they? Which part?
The Old Testament is a book of war and conquest that is only concerned with the welfare and prosperity of one bloodline and the New Testament is a ok story on the surface. That is until you start to scratch it.
And then find that it is a book of about;
conflict among the many Jewish factions.
And one mans bid to unite them.
And become king to rule over Jerusalem.
And free the Jews from the Roman yoke.
And remove the Romans and a Puppet king. With intrigue, assassinations, rebels, infiltration, usurpation, spies, armed rebellions and much plotting.
While all the time pretending all was well and everyone got on swimmingly in first century Judaea and all were happy with their lot. Which they weren't and hadn't been for over 7oo years.
So yes I suppose one could call it a "fun" read. I would go as so far to say it is a quite a ' rollercoaster' , BK.😁
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As then some were, and some are still. Whichever rout you take, you should eventually get to realise that what went on in the times of the ancients is still going on to this very day, and in every sense you can think of..You caught my eye with this and I guess it's the theory you believe in.
I do. Nothing , the system and order of things has not changed.
What started to link it all for me was the obsession that the ancients had with astronomy. It played a massive and extreme serious part in their lives, as it does to this day. In fact I would go as far as to say it was the be all and end all for them.
Ask yourself this, why would for instance the Church of England and the Roman Church have their own observatories costing billions? Why would the English Monarchy have their own personal astronomer and astrologer? Unless you read your bible closely, it easy to miss the many references to astronomy/astrology.
Read this single post that I wrote just two days ago. See what you make of it.
Is it that we're in a sort of human farm?we live in a system intelligently controlled by these visitors. I don’t rule it out.
Indeed, it has to be ruled firmly IN.. To put it simple, we were created as a slave race/species to the Annunnaki/gods. The Annunaki had there own ranking system. There was higher and lower ranking order of "gods".
To simplify this further: The Sumerian epics speak about a "rebellion" , saying that after thousands of years of doing the ( "tilling") mining themselves, the lower order simply refused to do any more: enter stage left; the Adama.
We live in a system intelligently controlled by these visitors.
That is a little more difficult to explain as I understand it.
But indeed as I mentioned above, knowledge is power, those that had and controlled the knowledge, held all the power. But Remember, the "gods" didn't want us - the Adama- to partake of the tree of knowledge, did they?
Lets see how far we get before I expand on that. You may get bored stiff or suffer information overload before then.
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