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@ Witch
Yeap I didn't know of any church you have to pay to go in and sit down for service. Jewish Temple didn't either.
wrong again.
2 Kings 12:16
Verse Concepts
The money from the guilt offerings and the money from the sin offerings was not brought into the house of the Lord; it was for the priests.
That will be the guilt trip Pastors and priest put onto its worshipers that I mentioned earlier at #80 where I wrote:
These 7 reasons do not stop the pastors and priests from putting worshipers on a giant guilt trip with a tinge of fear thrown in and a promise of a ticket to heaven and everlasting life.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
From jesus crucifixion to a full Christian holy book?
It varies, but the commonly accepted one is the Vulgate AD 400 which included the OT.
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@ the Witch
There's nothing saying you have to give 10% in the New Testament.
I have shown you a perfect example of the result of NOT giving to the church from THE NEW TESTAMENT and you choose to ignore it . Ananias and his wife Sapphira offered only a portion of what they had but the church demanded it all or die!
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@3RU7AL
not every person here is ready to have their thoughts engraved in stone
But we are speaking of the written word, 3RU7AL . If one decides to put their thoughts down in writing on a public forum on the WWW then it is they that engrave their own thoughts and words in stone.
What you appear to be advocating is for those that block other members should be allowed to put in print anything about anyone they don't agree with or simply outright hate and make unsupported claims about anything while displaying out-right double standards and allowing intentional misquotation and misrepresentation while not allowing the blocked member any sort of response.
As I have said, those that decide to block other members because of something they have "written in stone" and disagree with should be the very same people that have no direct contact with those they have decided to block. After all, they are the ones that have taken offence and offence has to be taken doesn't it?: there is a choice involved.
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@3RU7AL
That would be unfair imo.here's the thingeach author owns their wordsif i don't want a particular person reading my wordsi should be able to block that specific person from reading my wordsnobody has "a right" to read every single one of my words
I think you are wrong.
The author posted what s/he posts on the WWW therefore it is in the public domain. The author has a right to delete or withdraw after a reasonable amount of time.
This forum is not for invited guests only. It is to my knowledge a public forum. It is not even a Limited Public Forum to my knowledge.
And the idea of "owning" your words that you voluntarily and without provocation and or persuasion decided to put on a public forum for everyone to read but decide at a later date that you want only the few to read is, in reality preposterous.
Still. I am sure the mods and the owners of the forum will iron it out one way or another.
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@ the Witch.
These 7 reasons do not stop the pastors and priests from putting worshipers on a giant guilt trip with a tinge of fear thrown in and a promise of a ticket to heaven and everlasting life.
You see your link, it seems to have failed to mention what happened to Ananias and Sapphira when they failed to hand over all of what they got to the church from selling a bit of their own property. Yes they "died", if the bible is to be believed.
Learn your BIBLE facts Witch. Start by reading the BIBLE.
Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God.” (Acts 5:3-4, NIV)
Ananias, on hearing this, immediately fell down dead. Everyone in the church was filled with fear. Young men wrapped up Ananias' body, carried it away and buried it.
Three hours later, Ananias' wife Sapphira came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her if the amount they donated was the full price of the land.
"Yes, that is the price," she lied.
Peter said to her, “How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.” (Acts 5:9, NIV)
Just like her husband, she instantly fell down dead. Again, the young men took her body away and buried it.
With this show of God's anger, great fear seized everyone in the young church.
See that Witch fkn FEAR!!!!!
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@3RU7AL
@FLRW
(AND) (the blocked person also can't see your posts)Poly has blocked me and I can see all her posts.
Yes silly isn't it. She is the one to complains about just about everyone so she shouldn't be allowed to see your posts while you should be allowed to see hers considering that you haven't blocked her, imo.
Like I have said. I don't agree with blind posts but if someone has you on block it should mean that they want nothing to do with you, but oddly it doesn't stop them responding to your posts although they block you and want nothing to do with you!?
@ 3RU7AL
MUTUAL MUTE = (when you block someone, you AND ONLY YOU can't see that persons posts) (AND) (the blocked person also can't see your posts)
That would be unfair imo. I don't have the Witch on block so should be allowed to see her posts. I have nothing against her while she seems to have a gripe against almost everyone that refuses to agree with her and accept her double standards. She is the one doing all the complaining simply because she wants to hide her posts from scrutiny and questioning.
It is quite simple. S/he that blocks cannot see the blocked persons posts thereby having absolutely nothing to complain about, ever. There are a few here that have me on block only to unblock me when they want to reply to my comments and then block me again immediately after. It is a cowardly practice that would be immediately solved if my idea was to be put into practice.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
The great lord asks for a measly 10% pa from each christian.Thats reasonable right ?
No. It is not reasonable at all, Deb. Nothing is beyond the lord and he should have no need for money. He can just pull a church out of thin air like he did with the creation of the universe and all that it holds.
"Look at the birds they neither reap nor sow or store away in barns" Matthew 6:26 . Isn't god much more than his own creation?
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@3RU7AL
@Double_R
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Indeed and this would suite the likes of the Witch down to the ground. She could never be called out for her double standards and hypocrisy if the banned member is unable to see her comments. She wants free rein to say what she wants, claim what she wants without challenge.
Example on request.
@3RU7AL
PS I don't agree with blind posts, But;
If you are contemplating going down the blind post solution rout , it would be a better imo to hide the posts of the person that is blocked from the person that has blocked them, so she that has blocked a member cannot see the posts of the person that they have chosen to block.
Thereby having nothing to complain about.... ever!
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@Deb-8-a-bull
☆< IMPORTANT REMINDER > ☆ For those attending church today.BRING CASHHHHHHHHHHHH.......$$$Jesus Lovessssssssssssssssss cash.
We know the church the Pastors and the priest love your hard earned take- home, Deb.
Those High Advanced Technology Telescope Observatories don't come cheap.
We do have to wonder why the church feels the need be snooping into god's living room?
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Why should a lying church get a tax break, for just being a place where lies and fictions are taught as fact?Why should liars get away with their religious lies and get tax dollars back for being liars?
Legalised fraud?
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@FLRW
Best known as 'The Jim and Tammy show' the 1974 TV show 'The P.T.L. Club' was a Christian program hosted by a religious couple; its name stood for "Praise the Lord." Luckily, viewers quickly discovered this show had nothing to do with God and everything to do with scams and money.
You must understand, FLRW, they were taking care of "gods money". As that disciple of Jesus Judas did. John 12:5–6 that Judas spoke fine words about giving money to the poor, but the reality was "not that he cared for the poor, but [that] he was a thief, and had the money box; and he used to take what was put in it."
Marvelous I think that these modern day Pastors and Priests seem to have taken a very large page from Judas' book.
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@ Polystyrene
Polytheist-Witch, wrote: There is no priest rules in the Bible. #1463
Then you haven't read the BIBLE have you? Just like all other bible dunces here, you make claims about what is and isn't written in the BIBLE without reading it for yourself and cannot ever produce a single piece of evidence or support to support your unfounded claims.... and neither can the dickhead that voted up your claim in said post.#1463
Here, I will go out of my way for you:
Rules for Priests
Leviticus 21
The Lord said to Moses, “Speak to the priests, the sons of Aaron, and say to them: ‘A priest must not make himself ceremonially unclean for any of his people who die, 2 except for a close relative, such as his mother or father, his son or daughter, his brother, 3 or an unmarried sister who is dependent on him since she has no husband—for her he may make himself unclean. 4 He must not make himself unclean for people related to him by marriage, and so defile himself.
5 “‘Priests must not shave their heads or shave off the edges of their beards or cut their bodies. 6 They must be holy to their God and must not profane the name of their God. Because they present the food offerings to the Lord, the food of their God, they are to be holy.
7 “‘They must not marry women defiled by prostitution or divorced from their husbands, because priests are holy to their God. 8 Regard them as holy, because they offer up the food of your God. Consider them holy, because I the Lord am holy—I who make you holy.
9 “‘If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.
10 “‘The high priest, the one among his brothers who has had the anointing oil poured on his head and who has been ordained to wear the priestly garments, must not let his hair become unkempt or tear his clothes. 11 He must not enter a place where there is a dead body. He must not make himself unclean, even for his father or mother, 12 nor leave the sanctuary of his God or desecrate it, because he has been dedicated by the anointing oil of his God. I am the Lord.
13 “‘The woman he marries must be a virgin. 14 He must not marry a widow, a divorced woman, or a woman defiled by prostitution, but only a virgin from his own people, 15 so that he will not defile his offspring among his people. I am the Lord, who makes him holy.’”
16 The Lord said to Moses, 17 “Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. 18 No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20 or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. 21 No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the food offerings to the Lord. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God. 22 He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; 23 yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the Lord, who makes them holy.’”
24 So Moses told this to Aaron and his sons and to all the Israelites.
Exodus 19:22Even the priests, who approach the LORD, must consecrate themselves, or the LORD will break out against them.”
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@oromagi
oromagi, wrote: By lack of response, you seem to have conceded
In your dreams , sunshine. I concede nothing. The BIBLE makes it clear that Jesus had RICH friends in high places ....and low ones. The BIBLE doesn't once mention of Jesus telling his RICH Jew friends and confidantes that they should shed their worldly goods , wealth and power as you claim he did.
oromagi, wrote: They left their jobs, their purses and all their money, all their food at Jesus's specific request, Jesus specifically demanded that they stop being businessmen to follow him, for fuck's sake, how could you possibly have missed this?So you will be showing us this "specific" evidence then?oromagi, wrote: You quoted the relevant passages yourself, although apparently without comprehension.
You cannot tell us where in scripture Jesus "specifically " told anyone to leave their homes, wives, children, nets, boats and businesses. That will be because he doesn't. He simply say, "follow me".
You missed this>>
oromagi, wrote: but the Gospels say over and over that Jesus did just that.
Ok, then show me where in the gospels it is that Jesus told Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus that they should give up their worldly goods, the jobs and their wealth? "specifically".
oromagi, wrote: They left their jobs, their purses and all their money, all their food at Jesus's specific request, Jesus specifically demanded that they stop being businessmen to follow him, for fuck's sake, how could you possibly have missed this?
You this also>>
Tell me thicko, if they were not buddies why would both Nicodemus and J of A risk the wrath of the Jews and their life to meet Jesus in secrete?
And this>>
Why would a man not even mentioned in the scriptures just appear seemingly out of nowhere to approach Pilate and ask for the body of Jesus? Palestine at the time of Christ was an extremely dangerous place for any follower of Jesus. Why not Jesus' own Mother, or his absentee father. Or any of brothers or sister or anyone of the 70+ disciples Jesus was said to have had?
Off you go.
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@oromagi
Nicodemus was a ruler and member of the Sanhedrin and a secret disciple of Jesus that Jesus taught the mysteries of the meaning of being reborn and all in secret under the cover of darkness. John 7:48 And a rich man.You should also concede your claim that Nicodemus and Jesus were not buddies.
No I won't concede because they were friends. Tell me thicko, if they were not buddies why would both Nicodemus and J of A risk the wrath of the Jews and their life to meet Jesus in secrete? Read your bible you clown.
Joseph of Arimathea is not a buddy of Jesus.Jesus was said to have been put into the private tomb in the private grounds of Joseph of Arimathea whom had asked Pilate for the body of Jesus.Joseph put Jesus in his own personal tomb, in fact.
That is what I have said. The tomb and the grounds were the property of J of A. Read your bible thicko.
But you claimed that Joseph of Arimathea and Jesus were friends
I do. And stand by it. And have explained why above. The accounts consistently describe how Christ was buried in a rock-cut tomb belonging to Joseph of Arimathea, a wealthy Jewish follower of Jesus. Here's just one of many examples for a lazy twat that won't do his own research and simply prefers take the word of some fly by night Pastor:
AND Click on the link and try this little theological test;
Who owned the tomb where Jesus was buried?
- Joseph of Arimathea
- Mary Magdalene
- Nicodemus
- Simon the Cyrenian
Read your bible thicko.
when no gospel suggests that they ever met.
That's correct, such is the ambiguity of half told stories in scripture. But tell me again thicko, why would a man not even mentioned in the scriptures just appear seemingly out of nowhere to approach Pilate and ask for the body of Jesus. Palestine at the time of Christ was an extremely dangerous place for any follower of Jesus. Why not Jesus' own Mother, or his absentee father. Or any of brothers or sister or anyone of the 70+ disciples Jesus was said to have had?
And both were friends and supporters of Jesus in high powerful positionsThis is false.
FFS! Stop it! The evidence in the BIBLE is more than clear.
as was Gamaliel Zacchaeus,No gospel makes any mention of him.
Then you need to read you Gospels very closely don't you, you thick bell end.
Levi, and "certain" unnamed Pharisees along with Chuza, Herod’s business manager.Since Levi gave up tax collecting and followed Jesus, this disproves your claim that Jesus did not counsel Levi on the perils of wealth
It proves nothing of the sort.
Chuza was Herod's epitropos, in Koine Greek a household stewart but business manager is entirely possible. Traditionally, this was the job of a trusted slave. Chuza did not follow Jesus but his wife, Joanna did after Jesus healed her.
So tell me thicko, did Joanna keep it secret from her husband Chuza, a steward to Herod in the palace of Herod that she had been "healed" of her infirmities and evils spirits by Jesus?
Luke’s Gospel especially highlights Jesus’ enjoyment of food, his acceptance of costly gifts and his keeping company with the wealthy. Are you saying they weren't well paid for their services. Then there was the wealthy women that Jesus sponged off "of their substance". FFS wake up you clown. Jesus had surrounded himself with the rich and powerful while commanding others to give away everything they owned.Your claim was, "I don't remember reading anywhere he told these particular buddies to give away all of there worldly possessions,"
That's correct. And you haven't shown me anywhere that Jesus told these particular buddies to give away their wealth and worldly goods, have you, although YOU appear to be claiming he had .
but the Gospels say over and over that Jesus did just that.
Ok, then show me where in the gospels it is that Jesus told Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus that they should give up their worldly goods, the jobs and their wealth? "specifically".
If you are saying that Jesus hypocritically lived the high life at his rich friends expense while chastising others, I would say that the Gospels support no such claim.
That's will be because you too are a bible dunce.
They left their jobs, their purses and all their money, all their food at Jesus's specific request, Jesus specifically demanded that they stop being businessmen to follow him, for fuck's sake, how could you possibly have missed this?So you will be showing us this "specific" evidence then?You quoted the relevant passages yourself, although apparently without comprehension.
So that is a NO then. You cannot tell us where in scripture Jesus "specifically " told anyone to leave their homes, wives, children, nets, boats and businesses. That will be because he doesn't. He simply say, "follow me".
Off you go.
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@oromagi
Nicodemus is not a buddy of Jesus. ...He was Pharisee
Nicodemus was a ruler and member of the Sanhedrin and a secret disciple of Jesus that Jesus taught the mysteries of the meaning of being reborn and all in secret under the cover of darkness. John 7:48 And a rich man.
Joseph of Arimathea is not a buddy of Jesus.
Jesus was said to have been put into the private tomb in the private grounds of Joseph of Arimathea whom had asked Pilate for the body of Jesus.
And both were friends and supporters of Jesus in high powerful positions as was Gamaliel Zacchaeus, Levi, and "certain" unnamed Pharisees along with Chuza, Herod’s business manager. Luke’s Gospel especially highlights Jesus’ enjoyment of food, his acceptance of costly gifts and his keeping company with the wealthy. Are you saying they weren't well paid for their services. Then there was the wealthy women that Jesus sponged off "of their substance". FFS wake up you clown. Jesus had surrounded himself with the rich and powerful while commanding others to give away everything they owned.
Read your bible .
They did own boats and nets and fished for a living.
Make your mind up ffs! You categorically state above that the didn't have a boat or net between them. HERE>>
oromagi, wrote: Jesus famously surrounded himself with 12 fisherman who hadn't a single boat or net between them.#67
You cannot be rich and expect to go to heaven.
Yes I mentioned that Jesus said this but does this exclude his rich and powerful JEW friends?
They left their jobs, their purses and all their money, all their food at Jesus's specific request, Jesus specifically demanded that they stop being businessmen to follow him, for fuck's sake, how could you possibly have missed this?
So you will be showing us this "specific" evidence then?
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@oromagi
[Jesus] surrounded himself with rich and influential people in high placesI think you are thinking of the Art of the Deal. The most rich and influential man Jesus ever met Pontius Pilate, who promptly put Jesus to death.
Well you obviously missed the part where I distinctly say Jesus' buddies; for instance Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea. I didn't mention his enemies.
.... And I don't remember reading anywhere he told these particular buddies to give away all of there worldly possessions.You don't? That's on you, buddy. Jesus famously surrounded himself with 12 fisherman who hadn't a single boat or net between them and a prostitute.
Fishermen that never owned a boat. Well that is novel. They were fishermen. Tell me what were they doing with all the fish they caught? Selling it or giving it away free to the poor? They were businessmen in the fishing industry. FFS!
fisherman who hadn't a single boat or net between them [.............................]I don't know how you could have missed it
I don't think I missed anything , but you certainly missed this>>>
Matthew 4:21-22New King James Version
21 Going on from there, He saw two other brothers, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in the boat with Zebedee their father, mending their nets. He called them, 22 and immediately they left the boat and their father, and followed Him.
Jesus is vague on many points
I agree. He is and often. But some here will have that Jesus and the scripture are unambiguous, pretty clear and that the gospel writers knew exactly what exactly they were conveying to the reader.
but on one point he is very clear- you cannot be rich and Christian. You cannot be Christian and rich.
Nope. Jesus was a Jew. Jesus never once mentions the word Christian or Christianity in the whole of his life time. The four gospels never mention the words either.
It is my own opinion that Jesus would have been appalled that a whole new religion had sprung up in his name.
Come back when you have read and know the bible.
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@oromagi
Churches love cash. Jesus never did.
Although telling others that a rich man won't enter heaven-Matthew 19:23- he surrounded himself with rich and influential people in high places.... And I don't remember reading anywhere he told these particular buddies to give away all of there worldly possessions.
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@Dr.Franklin
This type of religious debate bores me.
What "type" of religious debate doesn't bore you , Doc?
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@Double_R
Polystyrene wrote:
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Indeed and this would suite the likes of the Witch down to the ground. She could never be called out for her double standards and hypocrisy if the banned member is unable to see her comments. She wants free rein to say what she wants, claim what she wants without challenge.
Example on request.
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@Tradesecret
I don't find atheists so much into exploring ideas as they are in destroying ideas.
If the idea contains flaws, mistakes and contradictions in the first place then the idea can be "destroyed" by it's own content, as does the bible on a regular basis.. You are just too thick to understand never mind accept this fact.
And ridiculing people along the way. If they had something better to offer it might assist.
Well this certainly goes some way in "assisting" any debate an conversation, doesn't it you fkn hypocrite??? Here are some of your own "better offerings" >>
Tradesecret wrote: the serpent, satan, whatever - he is the accuser and you follow after him. you are his disciple. From my point of view - he is slime. You know like the stuff we find after a snail has passed by. creepy. disgusting. Ugly. \ #24
Tradsecret wrote: After all, you are the swine and the dogs that trample over the pearls.#36
Tradsecret wrote: Stupid man. Dumb as fuck. Just continue to repeat your ignorance. #161
Tradsecret wrote: Obviously you are an idiot. #186
If you wanted any sort of serious debate you would have taken up at least one of the many offers that have been made to you to do just that, but bottled every time at every given opportunity offered. And you have the brass balls to call atheist " cowards". You'r a two bit fly by night holy roller that doesn't even know - never mind understand - his own scriptures.
You , Reverend Munchausen, made the mistake of joining religion forum that you took to be a religious forum that you believed could be used as your pulpit and as often as you are, you were wrong ...AGAIN.
Tradesecret wrote: " I have memorised the bible from a very young age, I know it backwards and in many languages.", my arse!😂#52
Tradsecret wrote: They get to prove how cool they are in the world of philosophy.
For a alleged "defence lawyer", you just love opening that gate for the prosecution, don't you, Reverend Munchausen? Would you like me to explain?
Tradesecret wrote: I am a lawyer. I often want judgment that says my client is innocent. #231
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Tradesecret wrote: I don't care what others think of me".
We know!
And it is as I have always said of the pathological lying narcissists such as you Reverend Munchausen. People - such as you -with narcissistic personality disorders often do not care who they manipulate and lie to or how much harm it may cause by lying. The believability of the lie is of no concern or importance to the pathological lying narcissist. Of prime importance to NPD sufferers is their self aggrandizement and the propping up of their fragile egos, not the well being of their fellow men and women ,even if those men and women are upright, law abiding and that are peaceful.
Also the illusion of victimhood is well buried in the Christian that has been caught on the backfoot hence s/he will try to create a few tall tales about him/herself and people with narcissistic personality disorders don't take well to being corrected by people they see as their inferiors.
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@Tradesecret
Is the bible evidence on its own enough to prove the resurrection actually happened? Yes or no?
Jesus said; But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.
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@Tradesecret
There is an answer. You know it is there.
Then answer it.
I gave you my answer and so have others on this thread. And it is the only answer that anyone can give. You are just swerving it because its a simple question that has you on the back foot.. keep wriggling Reverend Munchausen:
Is the bible evidence on its own to prove the resurrection actually happened?
Off you go now.
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@Tradesecret
A lot of words to spend on a none answer,Reverend Munchausen. But it is the norm and is always expected of you.
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@zedvictor4
Sent him a message,Don't know if he will get it.
If you mean a PM I haven't got it Vic lad.
And who teaches them that "western" girls are easy.Why! "Western" girls of course, cheesy sleazy.
Could you expand on that?
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@Tradesecret
Is the bible evidence on its own to prove the resurrection actually happened?That is a question that requires a simple yes or no answer.Perhaps for simpletons.
So after repeatedly asking you , in your capacity as a practicing Pastor & Chaplain to a congregation of 300 and that ministers to your countries defence forces and as a lecturer and tutor to students at Universities on all things biblical and theological and that was chosen by god to spread HIS word you just cannot answer.
Well I have had my answer and you have had ours.😂😂😂😂
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@Tradesecret
Ironic how you AWAYS fail to respond to my comments to you.
But I do. You just insist on members changing the question buy asking a billion questions of your own in reply to a simple question that should be simple enough for someone of your alleged qualifications and alleged theological status to answer.
I am just content in you showing yourself to be the swerving bible dunce that you are every single time you fail to reply to such simple genuine theological questions.
Here it is again.
Is the bible evidence on its own to prove the resurrection actually happened?
That is a question that requires a simple yes or no answer.
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Today:
Scotland Yard arrests 13-year-old for Islamist terror offence in Britain
A 13-year-old boy has been arrested in Britain for a terrorism offence as part of an ongoing investigation related to the alleged sharing of extreme Islamist material online, Scotland Yard said.
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Syrian Migrant Suspected of Raping 15-Year-Old Ukrainian Refugee Girl
Afghans Accused of Murdering Teen Had Years-Old Deportation Orders
Amesbauer went on to state that foreigners were suspects in around 43 per cent of rape cases in the past year and recalled the case of 13-year-old Leonie, who was sexually abused, raped and killed in Vienna after being given drugs by Afghan migrants who dumped her body next to a tree.
On Monday, the Austrian newspaper Kleine Zeitung reported that the prosecutor’s office in Steyr refused to keep the Syrian in custody following his arrest last week after claiming two friends of the alleged victim described the sexual incident as being consensual.
Earlier this year in March, another teenage girl, a 16-year-old German, was allegedly raped by a group of four asylum seekers near the main train station of the city of Linz.
Three of the alleged attackers, two 15-year-old Afghans and a 14-year-old Iranian were arrested by police following the alleged rape attack and another asylum seeker, a 14-year-old Afghan, turned himself in several days later.
Maybe they should have "kept their heads down".
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@zedvictor4
And there's also lot to be said for the burqa's capacity to quell the flow of testosterone.
So because some young buck cannot resist or control his own sexual impulses the young western girl has to cover herself from head to toe...... or run the risk of being gang raped? I see.
Send your father my sincere regards, Vic lad.
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Afghan asylum seeker who sexually assaulted two women and battered three with a hammer in terrifying West End rampage begins 18 years behind bars
- Morteza Ahmadi, 39, went on a crime spree in London's West End in October
- He attacked five people and sexually assaulted two of them near Regent Street
- The Afghan had been deported from the UK twice before, the court heard
- He was sentenced to more than 18 years behind bars for the attacks
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@Tradesecret
Your question was NOT straightforward so I asked you for clarification.
It is . The bible is either enough on its own to convince you the resurrection of a dead man happened or it isn't.
But you have no answer although you often cry loudly that you are more than happy to answer real theological questions. You are just too frightened to commit yourself for risk of showing yourself to be the absolute bible dunce that you are...... Again
Let it be noted that this bible dunce the Reverend Tradesecret after many requests refused answer a simple straightforward question about the very subject in which he claims to be extremely knowledgeable in and highly qualified to preach to others.🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@Tradesecret
I am asking YOU in your capacity as a practicing Pastor & Chaplain to a congregation of 300 and that ministers to your countries defence forces and that was chosen by god to spread HIS word.what sort of answer you are looking for?
What is the matter with you man!!? I have asked you a straightforward question. I am not looking for a "SORT" of an answer, I am asking you in your opinion if or not the bible on its own is good enough evidence for the resurrection. It either is or isn't. I have made my opinion clear many times. I personally do not believe the bible is evidence enough to prove a dead man came back to life. Do you?
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@zedvictor4
Up and at it with the Larks Stephen.
Blackbirds as it happens Vic lad. They start at 3 in the morning where I live and don't stop until I or Mrs Stephen opens the blinds.
Is the bible on it's own not good enough proof of the resurrection.In short....NO.
Correct. But I am looking for a response to my question from a man that claims to have been "chosen by god".#48
Wouldn't it be great if you three could meet up for a beer and a chat?
Not really, Vic lad. We are talking about a person that won't even take up the many offers of a debate made by various members on a - this forum.
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@Tradesecret
Is the bible on its own not good enough proof of the resurrection?So just to make sure we both understand what you are attempting to find out.Are you asking me - personally whether I think it is good enough. Are you seeking a subjective answer from me personally?
I am asking YOU in your capacity as a practicing Pastor & Chaplain to a congregation of 300 and that ministers to your countries defence forces and that was chosen by god to spread HIS word.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
As if the membership didn’t see YOU continuing to change your “Genders" and "your Ages" in your ever so weak profile page in recent time.
You forget nationality too, Brother D. Is it NEW ZEALAND?, AUSTRALIA? "OTHER"? And that also claims that his/her "native language is Greek"? And didn't the Reverend Munchausen once claim to be "Indian"?
I have to ask myself , why would a man of god, "chosen by god>>#48" himself, have to tell lies in the first place over such a trivial thing as signing up to a forum of the WWW?
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@ebuc
In Islam, Christianity is an important but incomplete expression of Islam.
Is it!?
Quran 51 - You,
who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies.
They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to
them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah
guides not the wrongdoing people.
Quran
9:30 - The
Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians
say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their
statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who
disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they
deluded?
"Religion of peace and tolerance" my arse!
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@Tradesecret
you can say whatever you want Stephen. No one really cares what you think.Probably not. But I know my opinions, ideas and thoughts concerning these ambiguous unreliable scriptures get right up your pompous pastors hooter.No. Not at all.
Good to know. then stop your whining about your past comments being brought to the for every time you give me cause to.
If I said Jesus is God, you would do everything to try and prove me wrong.
Nope. I would ask you to prove yourself right.
the Brother is an idiot. For you to support him shows you are an even BIGGER idiot.
I agree with him on many things this is not the same as supporting him/ or his beliefs. I like the way you have attempted to shift focus from yourself to the Brother.
Why else would you respond on his behalf on many occasions?
I responded to a question you asked about me. HERE>>> #408 " I wonder whether Stephen agrees with you in respect that Jesus is God?" You see thicko. I responded to your wonderment about myself.
As for being stalked. both you and Brother are sad and pathetic. I do hope your grandkids are safe from you.
More whining and whinging and victimhood.🤣🤣🤣
Now then, back to my point in question:
Is the bible on its own not good enough proof of the resurrection?
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@zedvictor4
People have always had twisted ideology.It's a people thing.
And you can name an ideology that is worse than one that threatens death for building snowmen, can you Vic lad?
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@RMI will never ever in my entire life understand how anybody can find that religion/ideology beautiful. Can You Make Snowmen ❄️? #LetTheSunnahGoForth - YouTube
So you and the kids won't be building snowmen in the coming winter. This is the twisted ideology that is being welcomed to my country without the public even being consulted. The lovers of the "religion of peace" are set on the demise of the indigenous people and whites in particular in my opinion.
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Watch;
"The people who will receive the severest punishment from Allah will be the picture makers.'" (Al Bukhari)
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Sooooooo, could gods or a god or the god do a book today.
No Deb, they couldn't.
And this is why the likes of the Reverend Tradesecret and the ex forum sex pest ethang 5 among others are always attempting to re-write what the scriptures actually state .
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@Barney
@BrotherD.Thomas
Brother D. Thomas wrote: Do you think that it's about time that this forum’s "Code of Conduct" is expanded too in relation to pseudo-christians as Bible dumbfounded as Miss Tradesecret? Where when shown to be so Bible stupid, that they are banned for a certain time period, and when allowed to return to this esteemed Religion Forum, if they continue to show their Bible stupidity, then they are banned for a longer time period. Then, when returning the third time, and if shown they are still Bible stupid to no end, they are banned forever!Barney wrote: At a casual glance, this doesn't look like anything for which you'd actually want moderator intervention.
I quite enjoy it when the Reverend Munchausen Tradesecret displays his repeated bible duncery and ignorance and continually adds to his loooooooooooooooooooooong list o alleged accolades, qualifications and achievements with every post. Here are just a few:
Being a lecturer that teaches the scripture at universities. " No, I don't charge students, I charge universities when they request me to lecture to them". #20.
Along with "But in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation. #20
Along with being a Chaplain to his countries' defences; "I am qualified by certified colleges with proper accreditation". #20
Along with telling us; I am also a chaplain to our Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper qualifications. #20
Along with telling us; " I studied and was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church". #91
Along with telling us; " I study the original languages, translate them to English, #25
Along with his criminal lawyering that can take 100's of hours of a lawyers time reading briefs and just as many in the court room defending criminal criminals!
Along with his anti abortion work; "I devote a significant amount of my resources in trying to prevent abortions from happening".#64.....
and......... has a Orthodox mentor in Moscow, a Hebrew teacher, being a lawyer to the court in Bangladesh. and Australia / New Zealand<<<< ALL THIS on top of his large family family life and running farm!
That said, this wasn't at all becoming of a man of the church that claims to have been " chosen by the lamb god" himself.;
Tradesecret wrote: "Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian". #33
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Afghan British army interpreter who drugged and raped 14-year-old girl months after being allowed to live in UK is jailed for more than seven years
- Asadullah Najibullah plied victim and her two friends with alcohol and drugs
- He then phoned a taxi for her friends, leaving the 28-year-old alone with the girl
- Najibullah then took off her clothes and raped her while she lay unconscious
- He was jailed for seven-and-a-half years and ordered to register as a sex offender
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@TheUnderdog
Two brothers slashed police officers during a crazed knife attack at a shopping centre have been jailed for a total of 18 years.
Maninder Hunjan, 26, and Parminder Hunjan, 37, launched the terrifying assault during a routine stop and search in West Bromwich in the Midlands.
Body-cam footage and CCTV captured the duo carrying out the attack while other shoppers fled on July 21 last year.
The brothers, who were both high on cannabis, pulled knives from a rucksack which contained an ‘armoury’ of weapons.
The pair’s bag was later found to contain a BB gun, a revolver, a machete, a serrated blade, a hammer, balaclavas, hammers, a smoke grenade and a Bushman’s knife
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@Tradesecret
@amandragon01
Tradesecret wrote: I'm not sure what you are saying about religious conviction. In my view EVERYONE is religious. I say religion is inescapable. Humans are religious beings.
But haven't you also said that you don't believe in religion and that all religion should be banned?
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@zedvictor4
And the biblical hypothesis was a perfect example of how intellectually limited we once were.And the fact that so many people still look to an archaic hypothesis for answers, is a perfect example of how slow intellectual progress actually is....Despite what we may have achieved technologically.
10/10
As I pointed out to the resident bible dunce , the Reverend Munchausen Tradesecret:
Stephen wrote: Bible dunces such as yourself, Reverend Munchausen, like to forget that we now live in the 21st century. We are far more educated than those living at the time of Jesus. Even people the lowest of classes in the western world know the alphabet " forward and backward" because they are taught to do so " from a very early age" and can also count past the number two. We now are allowed, and what's more , able to think for ourselves without the control or fear of the local clergy ready to condemn us all to hell for "thinking outside the box" .#410
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@Tradesecret
The OT God however is mostly recognized, as the Trinity, within Christian circles. We don't generally refer to Jesus in the OT, since Jesus was not born until the NT.Well of course you don't. It is an embarrassment to you to have to explain away the actions of a vile, murderous self confessed jealous god of war that will kill women and children at the drop of an hat on the one hand, while claiming Jesus to be the only one true god from the beginning and prince of peace on the other..I have said many times before, this is what comes of Christians adopting an ancient god that you/they neither understood from an ancient time that you don't understand and from ancient culture that you also don't understand. And by doing so have created a rod for your own back.You can say whatever you want Stephen. No one really cares what you think.
Probably not. But I know my opinions, ideas and thoughts concerning these ambiguous unreliable scriptures get right up your pompous pastors hooter.
I wonder whether Stephen agrees with you in respect that Jesus is God?Then wonder no more. I have explained my position hundreds of times to bible dunces such as yourself Reverend Munchausen.Not that it matters either way, but the answer is no. I don't believe Jesus was a god or even half a god. [A] Jesus was a man with only the title "son of god" as other Israelite kings were. Kings David and Solomon were not " immaculately conceived" but their titles were "sons of god". Jesus only allows himself to be called "son of god" by the voices others (including one from the clouds), although, I will admit, the scriptures do not tell of Jesus objecting to the title. But then again, he wouldn't object considering he believed himself to be the true king of Israel. See[A] above.I guess you find it difficult to recognize sarcasm or a rhetorical question then.
And you got your answer from the horses mouth , Reverend Munchausen.
What Brother D. makes of my " blasphemy" is of no concern to me. I only ever scrutinize, question and criticise these ancient scripture for the unreliable, enigmatic and ambiguous half stories that Christians such as yourself like to preach, teach and "pass on" to further the Christian narrative. If you want that in plain English - Christian preachers and teachers Pastors and Priests such as you Reverend Munchausen have been "passing on" lies and have been deceiving hundreds of generations from the day Christianity was conceived.No, stop lying to yourself. You don't have the capacity to scrutinize. or question or criticize. You just pour over someone else's work - believe it - and cut and paste.
I know that after all of your alleged supernatural ability to " memorise the bible"#52 and claims to know it backwards and frontwards" and to know it in multiple languages#191 that you don't know these scriptures at all . I only ever cut and paste from the bible itself you bible dunce. Very rarely will you see me even quote outside sources such as Historian Josephus or the Gnostic Gospels. BOTH of which tell a different story to the one that the likes you have been force feeding mankind for over 2000 years.
I am still waiting for you to produce EVEN ONE original thought.
I have produced over a hundred threads on this forum that contain my original thoughts. Even you recently plagiarised a thread of my own starting a thread that began with exactly the same question.. And this will be because for all of your alleged theological education under all of these scholars that included a Hebrew teacher not to mention your " mentor in Moscow", you haven't a clue as to what is going on in these scriptures.
You insist on facts but cannot face facts even from your own scriptures.. Jesus was a man that Christians have wrapped in an ancient myth.Not according to the Brother.
The Brother tells it as it is. He agrees that CHRISTIANS have wrapped Jesus in myth. He's admitted it many times, you bible dunce.
So do you give him ticks because you agree with him.
I agree on many things the Brother has to say concerning these contradictory ambiguous half stories in the scriptures. But you wouldn't know either way, because you are an inept bible dunce that has to rewrite scripture and put words into the mouths of the characters and authors of the bible. Something the Brother never does himself.
or because you have no other friends?
I have plenty of friends Reverend Munchausen. And unlike yourself, I don't have to invent wild exaggerated stories about myself to make or impress my friends either. would you like reminding of all your will exaggerated cliams you make about yourself?
Jesus himself admits to being only the Messiah and what Christians cannot admit is that Jesus as messiah failed in his mission. He was cut down before his mission had even got off the ground.Again not according to the Brother. Are you calling him out for his errors?
If I believe he is in error and mistaken and making claims he cannot support, JUST LIKE I DO YOU, I will call him on it. The difference is he doesn't lie about what is written in scripture as you intentionally and purposefully and repeatedly do. And he doesn't make claims of being "bullied" or "harassed" as you also repeatedly do when challenged.
Or do you just have an agenda against the real Christians?
Nope, not Christians, only these ambiguous unreliable half stories in the scriptures.... as I have said many times
Why is it that you don't EVER call out the Brother? Hmmm.
Give me an example of something I should call him out on?
You really a fkn bible dunce aren't you Reverend Munchausen. You see the Brother admits repeatedly that all his beliefs are faith based and can only submit the bible as his proof of god and Jesus.. Where as you on the other hand continually tell lies and contradict what the scriptures actually say. Continually lie about your theological credentials in a poor and vain attempt at claiming to be of some authority on all things biblical and theological and go as far as to tell us tell that
"god chose you" >>> #48
Here are just a few reminders of your past claims about yourself:
Being a
lecturer that teaches the scripture at universities. " No,
I don't charge students, I charge universities when they
request me to lecture to them". #20.
Along
with "But
in my role as a pastor - which I also do, I counsel in pastoral
care. And yes, I am qualified by certified colleges with proper
accreditation. #20
Along
with being a Chaplain to his countries' defences;
"I am qualified by certified colleges with
proper accreditation". #20
Along
with telling us; I am also a chaplain to our
Countries Defence forces, a position I could not have without proper
qualifications. #20
Along
with telling us; " I studied and was
tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the
Orthodox Church". #91
Along
with telling us; " I study the original
languages, translate them to English, #25
Along
with his criminal lawyering that can take 100's of
hours of a lawyers time reading briefs and just as many in the court
room defending criminal criminals!
Along
with his anti abortion work; "I devote a
significant amount of my resources in trying to prevent abortions
from happening".#64.....
.........A Orthodox mentor in Moscow, a Hebrew teacher, being a lawyer to the court in Bangladesh. <<<< ALL THIS on top of a your family
life and running farm!
And for all of your alleged charity towards your fellow man, you have this to say about atheists:
Tradesecret wrote: "Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian". #33
So let us go back to your most recent and blinding contradiction:
Read this carefully you absolute bible dunce:
Tradesecret wrote: We don't generally refer to Jesus in the OT, since Jesus was not born until the NT. .........Christians have not adopted any God.
And also tell us.
Tradesecrete wrote: I don't see personally any difference between the God of the OT and the NT. #52
You are not only a bible dunce but also and a gasconading pathological liar that insists on exhibiting a narcissistic self-importance in a vain attempt to impress and to elevate yourself above others. It might have worked for some of the other bible dunces here but not on myself Reverend Munchausen.
"memorised the bible#52", my arse!🤣🤣🤣
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