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@TheUnderdog
Are Christians bootlickers?
Sycophantic sandal lickers, would have been more appropriate for the time.
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@Tradesecret
If I produce any evidence that you told people on this site you were a theist, You are prepared to apologize.....
I am an atheist, you clown. I have nothing to apologise for. I don't believe in god and I don't believe Jesus was a god. But you can make up your own mind. I personally don't care.
Did you miss this?>>#29
Stephen wrote: I was christened as a baby, I had no say in the matter. This would make me a Christian in anyone's terms and language. But I do not have a religious bone in my body I am not what is called a ' practicing Christian '. I am not religious. I believe the Old Testament to be an historic record of sorts of the Israelites. I believe the Old Testamant to be much more honest and truthful than the New Testamant.
The New Testament to my mind is on the surface a collection of ambiguous half stories about a man that believed himself to be the rightful heir to the throne of Jerusalem and had attempted to reunite the" lost" tribes of Israel i.e. those that had fell away and of which many were now Hellenised in attempt to free 'god's chosen people' from the Roman yoke. He failed miserably and was put to death for crimes against Rome.
And all this has been my own personal stance from the day I came to this forum.
I have also said many times, I find it impossible to dismiss the bible and many biblical accounts out outright and out of hand, as I have attempted to put across in many of my of my threads. <<<<< CUT OUT AND KEEP.#29
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@zedvictor4
I'm actually English remember.
I do, Vic lad. You just make sure that you remember that you are.😊
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@Tradesecret
So just to be clear for EVERYONE. You are prepared to apologize for being such a jerk if I produce evidence from your own mouth that you are a theist.
I have said I am an atheist you fkn idiot. I don't believe in god and I don't believe Jesus was a god. But you can make up your own mind. I personally don't care.
Stephen wrote: I was christened as a baby, I had no say in the matter. This would make me a Christian in anyone's terms and language. But I do not have a religious bone in my body I am not what is called a ' practicing Christian '. I am not religious.BTW - despite your so called christening - no one in most Christian circles would admit that makes you a Christian.
Well then you have your answer, don't you, Reverend Munchausen.
Did you cut this out to keep as instructed?>>
>>>>>Lets get this correct for you, you clown, I was christened as a baby, I had no say in the matter. This would make me a Christian in anyone's terms and language. But I do not have a religious bone in my body I am not what is called a ' practicing Christian '. I am not religious. I believe the Old Testament to be an historic record of sorts of the Israelites. I believe the Old Testamant to be much more honest and truthful than the New Testamant.
The New Testament to my mind is on the surface a collection of ambiguous half stories about a man that believed himself to be the rightful heir to the throne of Jerusalem and had attempted to reunite the" lost" tribes of Israel ie those that had fell away and of which many were now Hellenised in attempt to free 'god's chosen people' from the Roman yoke. He failed miserably and was put to death for crimes against Rome.
And all this has been my own personal stance from the day I came to this forum.
I have also said many times, I find it impossible to dismiss the bible and many biblical accounts out outright and out of hand, as I have attempted to put across in many of my of my threads. <<<<< CUT OUT AND KEEP.
Off you trot now.
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@zedvictor4
You know what the say about Welsh farmers?
I do Vic. It has always made me wonder what those shepherds were up to with those sheep when the angel of the lord shone his light on them?
“And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid...."LUKE 2:8-20
Perhaps they were laying down far too close to those underage lambs. And were.... sore.... and startled ....and afraid when the light shone on them out of the darkness?
I suppose it could be said that the Welsh farmer had interpreted the biblical verse literally and "the lord said all was good, don't be afraid, what you do with your spare time is nothing to do with me. But for now get yourselves off to Bethlehem as representatives and envoys for the house of the Ram which be your star sign called Aries in the heavens" ?
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Do you ACTUALLY think that this is going to goad me into responding and answering your question?I make that four times you have ignored a simply question concerning a verse that you chose to somehow prove a point.Which it didn't and doesn't.Let's give this one last try:So tell us; what to your mind does the verse that you have used actually mean if it is not to be taken literal, Reverend Munchausen?"a great and wonderous sign appeared in Heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head". Revelation 12:1I'm trying to figure out which is more amusing.
So that's a NO, then. You cannot explain your own bullshite.
Ok . Off you trot.
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@Tradesecret
So if I can product any post where you admit to being a theist then you will apologize and stop being such a jerk?
>>>>>Lets get this correct for you, you clown, I was christened as a baby, I had no say in the matter. This would make me a Christian in anyone's terms and language. But I do not have a religious bone in my body I am not what is called a ' practicing Christian '. I am not religious. I believe the Old Testament to be an historic record of sorts of the Israelites. I believe the Old Testamant to be much more honest and truthful than the New Testamant.
The New Testament to my mind is on the surface a collection of ambiguous half stories about a man that believed himself to be the rightful heir to the throne of Jerusalem and had attempted to reunite the" lost" tribes of Israel ie those that had fell away and of which many were now Hellenised in attempt to free 'god's chosen people' from the Roman yoke. He failed miserably and was put to death for crimes against Rome.
And all this has been my own personal stance from the day I came to this forum.
I have also said many times, I find it impossible to dismiss the bible and many biblical accounts out outright and out of hand, as I have attempted to put across in many of my of my threads. <<<<< CUT OUT AND KEEP.
So what that makes me in your own eyes is irrelevant. I personally believe that I fall into the family of atheists. So yes, I am an atheist.
You forgot this , Reverend Munchausen:
Stephen and Brother who are the only so called religious folk that call post-op trans self-mutilators on this site.
And I would like to see you pull a post of mine that has ever once mentioned "trans" - anything.
That being said. You are indeed the one to have shown that you have flipped from one gender to another . Each to their own, I say. But your own "sexual deviances" and "sexual experimentations" is something you should keep to yourself and are not really something to be shared freely on a religious forum of the WWW, in my opinion. But you just love sharing such personal information about yourself freely on the WWW that I don't think you would take that advice no matter which quarter it came from.
So when you are ready, lets see you produce that evidence.
Off you go.
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@zedvictor4
who laid down with the lamb?
Have you ever been to Wales? 😊
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@Tradesecret
Stephen and Brother who are the only so called religious folk that call post-op trans self-mutilators on this site.
Wrong! AGAIN. I am not religious in the slightest. Which is something else I have maintained from day one. And I would like to see you pull a post of mine that has ever once mentioned "trans" - anything.
That being said. You are indeed the one to have shown that you have flipped from one gender to another . Each to their own, I say. But your own "sexual deviances" and "sexual experimentations" is something you should keep to yourself and are not really something to be shared freely on a religious forum of the WWW, in my opinion. But you just love sharing such personal information about yourself freely on the WWW that I don't think you would take that advice no matter which quarter it came from.
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@Tradesecret
Do you ACTUALLY think that this is going to goad me into responding and answering your question?
I make that four times you have ignored a simply question concerning a verse that you chose to somehow prove a point.
Which it didn't and doesn't.
Let's give this one last try:
So tell us; what to your mind does the verse that you have used actually mean if it is not to be taken literal, Reverend Munchausen?
"a great and wonderous sign appeared in Heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head". Revelation 12:1
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@Tradesecret
So tell us; what to your mind does the verse that you have used actually mean if it is not to be taken literal, Reverend Munchausen?"a great and wonderous sign appeared in Heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head". Revelation 12:1No. There is no need for me to do it.
So you haven't a clue. And no will be surprised that even with all of your self proclaimed theological education and "scientific methodology" that you claim to apply to scripture, that you fail to answer.
Off you go then.
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@ Witch
Sitting home and poke yourself with needles it's self-harming.
What if you allow someone else to poke you with needles?
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@Tradesecret
Literal or lateral.
Literal.
Typo you idiot. And if that is your only argument. You may as well throw the towel in where this argument is concerned.
I have lifted a verse from the bible - and used it literally like you.
Ok so you take the verse to be literal. When it is clearly not to be taken literally. Which has ALSO been my argument since the day I came to the forum. Examples; "raising the dead" is not to be taken literally as I have explained what I believe it to mean many times. "Making a blind man see" is another example. "Curing a leper" is another as is "water into wine". Bible dunces such as yourself take these verses literally and call them "miracles" performed my a LITERAL "son of god" .
I have maintained all along that these were no such thing and that they are simply initiations into different levels of the Jesus movement that he had learned and copied from the Qumran community.
So tell us; what to your mind does the verse that you have used actually mean if it is not to be taken literal, Reverend Munchausen?
"a great and wonderous sign appeared in Heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head". Revelation 12:1
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@BrotherD.Thomas
The said women that you had shown was a VISION, I repeat, a VISION by John in Revelation 12, and NOT a literal woman, GET IT BIBLE FOOL?! Then you have the audacity to state, Tradesecret wrote: "who cares if it is not a real woman". - is the topic at hand, GET IT?
Well he should "care", shouldn't he, Brother? But is clearly displaying his bible ignorance once again.
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@zedvictor4
And if their is an omni-sensible GOD,They will be laughing their f**king socks off.
Sandals, Vic Lad. Sandals.
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@Tradesecret
Tradesecret wrote: Yet the Bible says in Revelation 12:1."a great and wonderous sign appeared in Heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head".Who should we believe Brother DT who is a fake and a fraud or Jesus? Both can't be right. One must be wrong. Either there are no women in heaven or Revelation 12:1 is incorrectSo this will be a actual woman, with the actual moon at her feet? And twelve stars about her head , will it, bible dunce?So will that be a literal response Stephen or something else?
Of course it is a lateral response you clown.
So you don't have a clue what that verse is even referring to although the clue is in the verse itself..
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@BrotherD.Thomas
At what point does she realize that she has absolutely no place within this prestigious Religion Forum on DEBATEART because of her complete Bible stupidity and ignorance,
As I have already pointed out, Brother. There is no cure for narcissistic stupidity.
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Yet the Bible says in Revelation 12:1."a great and wonderous sign appeared in Heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head".Who should we believe Brother DT who is a fake and a fraud or Jesus? Both can't be right. One must be wrong. Either there are no women in heaven or Revelation 12:1 is incorrect
So this will be a actual woman, with the actual moon at her feet? And twelve stars about her head , will it, bible dunce?
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@Greyparrot
Is anyone really surprised?
Jussie Smollett released from jail as he appeals against his conviction for hoax attack.
Here in the UK appeals can also go against you. If you are found guilty or have an appeal hearing rejected ,you can get more on top of your original sentence. Does the same apply in the US, GP?
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@Tradesecret
Glad you care how I am faring.
I don't.
You reject it is true - because ?????
Nope. You will never find a post of mine saying as such, either.
How many times do I have to repeat myself to bible dunces like you!? I believe all the characters in the scriptures existed. I believe Jesus the Jew believed himself to be the rightful heir to the throne of Jerusalem as did his supporters. I believe the so called "miracles" were initiation rites into his following at different levels into his movement.
Simply put for a dunce such as yourself, I don't accept the scriptures as they have been "passed on" by the likes of bible clowns just like you for millennia. I have also said many times that I cannot prove my theories, ideas or opinions concerning these unreliable ambiguous scriptures as they have come down to us. But no way have I "rejected" the scriptures outright.
Mind how you preach Reverend Munchausen.
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@Tradesecret
No one cares!
Especially yourself. Its like I have written here>
Stephen wrote: People with narcissistic personality problems don't respond well to criticism. The believability of the fantasy seems to be of no consequence. All that seems to count with the narcissist is whether his tall tales about himself helps him rebuild the façade of his greatness while struggling to be relevant. Individuals with narcissistic personality disorders often do not care who they manipulate and lie to or how much harm it may cause by lying, he is always on the lookout for dupes. It is consistent of those with narcissistic personality disorders that they expect everybody bow to their opinions and beliefs and are livid when others don't dance when told to do so.#186
Get well soon, Reverend Munchausen.
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@janesix
who laid down with the lamb? what animal?
Isaiah 11:6-9
The wolf shall live with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the kid, the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them. 7The cow and the bear shall graze, their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8The nursing child shall play over the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put its hand on the adder’s den. 9They will not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain; for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.
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@zedvictor4
We're all bloody German Stephen, even the f**king Queen.
I thought we all originated in Africa, if David Attenborough is to be taken seriously.
My children are 34 and 36 years of age.Not sure they would want to go sight seeing with Mum and Dad.
Maybe the grand children then, if you have any that is? I took all of my children and grandchildren to Big Pit.
Always make it so, that people want what they can never quite afford. Therefore in my opinion, one of the keys to contentment is to not want what is unaffordable.
We are on the same page there, Vic lad. My motto most of my life has been needs are a must and wants you can live without. Although I do like to go for a pint twice a week.
Have nice day, Vic.
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@Tradesecret
Stephen,you do realise that when you or the Brother continue to go down this line of ad hominin argumentation - it is evidence that you don't have anything to add to the discussion of weight?And you do realise that it is ALWAYS you that takes ALL threads that you struggle with off track. Just like your " good friend" Ethang often did after painting himself into a theological corner.Well I disagree. Yes sometimes I throw questions out - that are obviously designed to make you rethink your agenda.
Of course you disagree. And you "throw out questions" in reply to questions. And I don'y have an agenda. I have thoughts , opinions and ideas as to what is really going on in the scriptures.
Tell me Reverent Munchausen, is this your version of "throwing out questions"? Because to me it looks like one of those "Ad Hominems' " that you accuse every one else of spouting..>>>
Tradesecret wrote: The serpent, satan, whatever - he is the accuser and you follow after him. you are his disciple. From my point of view - he is slime. You know like the stuff we find after a snail has passed by. creepy. disgusting. Ugly. \ #24
Ethang might be banned - but as a person and intelligence, he runs rings around both of you.Is that "ad hominin argumentation" , Reverend?Yes.
There you are. And I don't doubt that you will deny that you ever wrote that in a few days.
Me, I am happy to talk about proper matters.Such as religion and the bible, Reverend Munchausen? On a forum to discuss religion and the bible? I have started almost 100 threads wanting to discuss the bible if not more, why do you not check them out and see who it ALWAYS was and still is that disrupted and turned every single one into unnecessary argument with "ad hominin argumentation"?Yes, you start topics but not to discuss religion - just to present your own agenda. Quite a different matter.
OPINION!
I don't have an agenda. readers can take it or leave it. I have nothing to prove and I certainly do not have solid evidence for what I believe or think about the scriptures.
I had only been here a matter of weeks and this is an example of you using "ad hominin argumentation" and your version of discussing "proper matters"Tradesecret wrote: The serpent, satan, whatever - he is the accuser and you follow after him. you are his disciple. From my point of view - he is slime. You know like the stuff we find after a snail has passed by. creepy. disgusting. Ugly. \ #24Would you like more examples of you discussing "proper matters", with me, Reverend Munchausen?We don't need more examples of your ad hominin attacks.
Reminding you of your own past comments and statements is not ad hominem. It is showing you for what a contradictory, hypocritical bible dunce that you are. Or simply showing you to be wrong . This thread alone has many examples of your own contradictions past and present.
At other points on the forum you say on the one hand -" the BIBLE It is a divine book.#40", while at another point you will state that bible is -" just a book full of words that cannot do anything" - while further claiming that - " god uses the bible to speak to us" - and that it is - "your primary source for the existence of god".
And it is these contradictions that I highlight and challenge you on , Reverend. They are by no means "Ad hominem attacks".
I could just as well produce yours.
That is your choice. And you never stay on topic. EVER!
I want to stay on topic.
But never do. You throw out a question or comment and when challenged, you go into divert and evasion mode. It is what you always do. Just like your "good friend" Ethang was very famous for doing.. you are so alike you pair.
And you should take real care about what you preach and who it is that you are preaching to, Reverend, It will always come back to haunt you.Colossians 3:25 "For the wrongdoer will be paid back for the wrong he has done, and there is no partiality".I'm am not in danger dear Stephen.
Well this is where you are so blind, Reverend Munchausen. You are always in danger of descending into your self created very deep dug holes. And I know that you will continue to dig them.
Luke 12:2-3 " whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light". <<<<<<<<<<<< Take good note of that sunshine.You really do need to read your own shite, Reverend.Again - I am transparent.
Nope. You are a narcissistic fantasist.
Rather than continue on your immature agenda of ad hominin highlights.
Listen to yourself. Those "ad hominin highlights" are usually words from your own hand. You just don't like being reminded .
a b c d e f g h. Go back to your abc's please. ..........Get your mum to help. Or your boyfriend. It doesn't matter who - just get some help.You do realize people who dismiss others - are usually making up for the size of their diminutive little weeny
Are those yet more of your "Ad Hominem " attacks Reverend Munchausen? yes I can see clearly wanting to stay on topic with "ad hominems' ".
Not quite on par with this , I agree..
Tradesecret wrote: Stupid man. Dumb as fuck. Just continue to repeat your ignorance. #161
Yes, quite the upright member of the church community, aren't you, Reverend Munchausen.
Why don't you just admit that the original profile that you created showing you to be a woman is false and simply untrue. That will put a immediate stop to all of this to-ing and fro-ing concerning your gender and give the Brother nothing to throw at you but your biblical ineptitude.. Doesn't that make sense to you at all, Reverend Munchausen?
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@zedvictor4
And I and Mrs Zed crossed the imaginary line and invaded Wales about 8 years ago.
I mentioned Big Pit to you earlier, #19. Have you visited it at all, Vic lad? You should take the children down there and show them what white slavery was all about.
It's always a pleasure. Have a good day , Vic lad.
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@Tradesecret
Stephen,you do realise that when you or the Brother continue to go down this line of ad hominin argumentation - it is evidence that you don't have anything to add to the discussion of weight?
And you do realise that it is ALWAYS you that takes ALL threads that you struggle with off track. Just like your " good friend" Ethang often did after painting himself into a theological corner.
Ethang might be banned - but as a person and intelligence, he runs rings around both of you.
Is that "ad hominin argumentation" , Reverend?
Me, I am happy to talk about proper matters.
Such as religion and the bible, Reverend Munchausen? On a forum to discuss religion and the bible? I have started almost 100 threads wanting to discuss the bible if not more, why do you not check them out and see who it ALWAYS was and still is that disrupted and turned every single one into unnecessary argument with "ad hominin argumentation"?
I had only been here a matter of weeks and this is an example of you using "ad hominin argumentation" and your version of discussing "proper matters"
Tradesecret wrote: The serpent, satan, whatever - he is the accuser and you follow after him. you are his disciple. From my point of view - he is slime. You know like the stuff we find after a snail has passed by. creepy. disgusting. Ugly. \ #24
Would you like more examples of you discussing "proper matters", with me, Reverend Munchausen?
And you should take real care about what you preach and who it is that you are preaching to, Reverend, It will always come back to haunt you.
Colossians 3:25 "For the wrongdoer will be paid back for the wrong he has done, and there is no partiality".
Luke 12:2-3 " whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light". <<<<<<<<<<<< Take good note of that sunshine.
You really do need to read your own shite, Reverend.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Jesus H. Christ, don't we miss ol' ethang5 in making an additional pseudo-christian to Miss Tradesecret in "how not to be a Christian and the ramifications thereof?"
Not really , Brother. With that said, I think the Reverend Munchausen is finding it difficult to suppress his inner Ethang. He did once tell us:
Tradescret wrote: "Ethang5 is a good friend of mine......If I could be more like him, I would" . #76
I think he has shown recently that he has reached his aspiration and become exactly like him.
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@zedvictor4
And........Given the nature of migration from the cradle of humanity, I doubt that there is such a thing as a native Brit.
Never the less.
We, that is my mate and other "pea" John, spoke only of England,/English, Vic lad. Although I did include Wales.😊
But I won't split hairs.😊
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Brother, lets be honest. He is far too narcissistic to climb down and throw his hands up and admit it was all bs all along with all of his other tall stories. 'blue in the face' leaps to mind.
He doesn't care if his lies are believable or not. He will just keep spouting his ripping yarns while not realising what an absolute buffoon he is coming across as.
let his keep em coming, I say. The more he reveals about himself the more he will contradict himself and drop himself in the "proverbial poo" as you say. he can't help himself anyway.
have you noticed brother that of late that many of his replies to me in particular are so Ethangesqu that it is difficult at time to distinguish between the two?
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@Tradesecret
@BrotherD.Thomas
First things first, since you are in discussion with men within this forum, therefore you go directly against Jesus' command in Timothy 2:12 since you are explicitly shown to be a woman in this link; https://ibb.co/NFcsLgy and where YOU are therefore NOT to usurp the authority, nor teach, but to remain silent when around men within this forum! Your comical and weak refutations pertaining to the FACT that you are not a woman, fall by the wayside in embarrassment.That link has been changed and denied.
Yes, he knows. We know. The only one that doesn't seem to know is you, Reverend Munchausen. That was your original profile, and now you are denying that it was.
It shows you claiming to be a woman. You are now denying that.
It shows you claiming to be a New Zealander, you now deny this telling us you are in fact Australian. (not to mention that elsewhere you claim to be "Indian")
It shows you claiming to have been born 01 January 1968, though you also tell us that you were born the day of the moon landing the same year.
So you are a liar if you are now trying to deny the above was/is you when it is clearly a profile created by you. No one else could have created it could they?
1 Timothy 2:12 Do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
Is clearly misogynistic in todays language or any modern language, even the Greek that you also say in your original profile as a woman is you native tongue, which in your profile as a man you have contradicted this and told us us that your native tongue is English.
Why don't you just admit that your original profile that you created showing you to be a woman is false and simply untrue. That will put a immediate stop to all of this to-ing and fro-ing concerning your gender. Doesn't that make sense to you at all, Reverend Munchausen?
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Let me know when you want to chat with me, not at me, and when you stop adoring a genocidal prick of a God.
Not to mention, adoring his narcissistic self.
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@zedvictor4
Do you remember when I said this, Vic lad?
Stephen wrote: Besides, how far should this shite go back. Swathes of England/Wales were overran by Vikings if I am to hold any faith in my history teachers. Do I now demand reparations from all Scandinavian countries for their "crimes" of the 9th century committed by king Uthred or Queen Olga against my ancestors? Its a nonsense and any level headed person on the planet knows this.#19
John Cleese.13 March 2022
Comedy legend John Cleese had his microphone confiscated at the South by Southwest festival during a comedic discussion in which he suggested Italy and France owed historic reparations for enslaving Brits.
The Monty Python icon, 82, was riffing with other comics in front of the crowd in Texas when he talked about the 'competition' between cultures over who has been more oppressed by colonisations throughout history.
Pointing to world history being 'a history of crime', he added: 'It's a history of people who were stronger beating up people who were weaker and it's always been that. It's deeply, deeply distasteful.
The Monty Python icon, 82, was riffing with other comics in front of the crowd in Texas when he talked about the 'competition' between cultures over who has been more oppressed by colonisations throughout history.
Pointing to world history being 'a history of crime', he added: 'It's a history of people who were stronger beating up people who were weaker and it's always been that. It's deeply, deeply distasteful.
Cleese explained: '[People] get competitive about this business of being oppressed. We were oppressed, the English, by the Romans from about 0 to 400.'
'I want reparations from Italy', he told the stunned crowd. 'And then the Normans came over in 1066... they were horrible people from France and they colonised us for 30 years and we need reparations there too, I'm afraid'.
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I know that Reverend Munchausen. I am simply saying that for someone that you only claims to be fully trained in the legal field as a DEFENCE layer, you should not ever introduce into your argument something that can and will be used against you. It is you that is the clown. I did say that; "you wouldn't want me to remind you of your own sexual deviance, would you"#73, but what did you do? You not only denied that you were a "sexual deviant" but called me a liar too, thereby leaving the door wide open for me to show you for the liar that you clearly are.I started my reply to you simply because YOU said:You can think whatever you like, entirely up to you. How I respond is up to me. You are the creep who stalks people. I have denied I have ever confessed to any such deviency. How you respond will as always be an attempt to make yourself look good. I personally give you no credit. You are fake and fraud and a liar. Everyone is free to make their own assessments.Tradesecret wrote: I personally experimented with various so called sexual activities when I was younger...... And so I experienced various different manners of sexuality.Stephen will read this and use it against meStephen wrote: And what was my reply to that? Well here is my reply Reverend Munchausen:
This was my reply, you clown:
Stephen wrote: "Only if you give mean genuine cause to do so, which you often do on a regular basis".#73
Hence your digging up of material that is completely immaterial and irrelevent.
It was very relevant. You denied that it was you and accused me of lying about it thereby giving me genuine cause to post you vile post .. get over it . Or would you like reminding what you claim you didn't write?
You are not my prosecutor..Correct, I am not, and only your god knows what a real prosecutor would do with your, denials, contradictions, hypocrisy, double standards, outright lies and the ALL of the many bullshite claims you make about yourself.🤣No prosecutors ACTUALLY attempt to put forward real evidence. something you sadly lack on any front.
It was "REAL" evidence written by your own hand.
LOOK>>
Tradesecret wrote:Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would.We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles.
Filth and perverted "sexual deviance",, those are your own words written by your own hand and right up there with this forums sex pest; Ethang5, the very person that you tell us that you aspire to be like. "If I could be more like him, I would" . #76
Well let me remind you again, that you have clearly archived your aspirations and you are just like him.
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Tradesecret wrote: "Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33MOSTLY of MOST you idiot!I never said MOST atheist's are kiddie criminals.MOSTLY of MOST you idiot!I admit mistakes when I make them. And regret those things as well.
When aren't you mistaken, Reverend Munchausen?
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Like I said above, Reverend Munchausen, - for a lawyer you are and absolute diamond for opening the door for the prosecution. You could have left it there but instead you choose to call me a liar. So here you are. This is you proclaiming your own sexual deviancy:I'm not arguing here as a lawyer
I know that Reverend Munchausen. I am simply saying that for someone that you only claims to be fully trained in the legal field as a DEFENCE layer, you should not ever introduce into your argument something that can and will be used against you. It is you that is the clown. I did say that; "you wouldn't want me to remind you of your own sexual deviance, would you"#73, but what did you do? You not only denied that you were a "sexual deviant" but called me a liar too, thereby leaving the door wide open for me to show you for the liar that you clearly are.
I started my reply to you simply because YOU said:
Tradesecret wrote: I personally experimented with various so called sexual activities when I was younger...... And so I experienced various different manners of sexuality.Stephen will read this and use it against me
And what was my reply to that? Well here is my reply Reverend Munchausen:
Stephen wrote: "Only if you give mean genuine cause to do so, which you often do on a regular basis".#73
Well you went right ahead and gave me "genuine reason", when you called me a liar and denied that you were the author of this quote:
Tradesecret wrote: Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would.We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles.
You didn't take my hint of caution, but in true Ethang5 style, you went at it like a bull at a gate..... just like I expected you to.
Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would.We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles.That ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is you. It has your name on it and your pompous arrogant mug too. It is you, laughing and joking about your deviancy with none other than that good ole' friend of yours Ethang 5, the forum sex pest, he that you told us you aspire to be like. >> "If I could be more like him, I would" . #76Ethang in my view is a decent human being. Perhaps at times he spoke foolishly. Nevertheless you have done the same on many occasions. Some of the things you have said are absolutely crude and disgusting.
So so you keep insisting, but it is no coincidence that he is a sex pest and you are a self confessed sexual deviant is it. YOU REALY NEED TO STOP DIGGING YOUR HOLE, Reverend Munchausen.
Ethang in my view is a decent human being.
Would a decent human being say something as abhorrent as this: "Only
sheep or soldiers get killed by jihadists".#144
I had to remind the forum sex pest that some of the "sheep" were of Jesus' fold.
Nevertheless you have done the same on many occasions.
Ok, now I am going to open the door for you. I deny I have ever been so sick and sexually offensive to any one in my life as Ethang 5, and have never spoken of myself as being any kind of perverted or experiencing and practicing "sexual deviancy" as you freely say you are. So when you are ready I am sure the whole of this forum would just love to see your evidence of that accusation that you have leveled against me.
My response to Bones is only about admitting that I have experimented sexually...None of that is a confession of being a pervert.Nope. What you have said is exactly this>> "I personally experimented with various so called sexual activities....".#66You need to look up sexual deviant: here you go>>"Sexual deviance, and what is defined as sexually deviant, is culturally and historically specific. This concept refers to behaviors where individuals seek erotic gratification through means that are considered odd, different, or unacceptable to either most or influential persons in one's community. <<<<<<That Reverend Munchausen, is perversion. That is the "various sexual activities" that you mention to Bones.And this is also YOU >.Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would.We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles.https://www.debate.org/forums/religion/topic/4341728/1/#7446963Again - you completely just change what I wrote. I never said I experimented in sexual deviancy.
NOPE!!
Define "various" you idiot. Define "sexual deviancy" and then define perverted. And keep digging.... please😂
I have never said that God tolerates homosexuality. I have said that God is not homophobic.And I have said that god is anti homosexual and anti homosexuals which in todays parlance is - homophobic. But you will insist that god as not.Say whatever you want to .
I think you mean what the BIBLE and shows. I didn't write it, Reverend Munchausen. God, is clearly ANTI homosexuality and ANTI homosexual, and in todays language, that make him clearly homophobic.
Does your own church congregation of "300" that you lead know of your sexual deviant past, Reverend Munchausen? I for one am totally baffled why a god would "choose you" to lead his flock? You would have been stoned to death in his ancient time for your self confessed "abominations", wouldn't you, Reverend Munchausen?I have been absolutely up to front with my flock as you call it.I won't take your word for that.Do I look Iike I care.
No you don't. And it appears I had you tagged to a tee, and you have clearly proven my point and opinion. That is why I wrote over page earlier ;
Stephen wrote: "The believability of the fantasy for the narcissist seems to be of no consequence. All that seems to count with the narcissist is whether his tall tales about himself helps him rebuild the façade of his greatness while struggling to be relevant. #77
You are not my prosecutor..
Correct, I am not, and only your god knows what a real prosecutor would do with your, denials, contradictions, hypocrisy, double standards, outright lies and the ALL of the many bullshite claims you make about yourself.🤣
Stephen have a nice day.
I nearly always do.
Mind how you preach Reverend Munchausen.
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In general, i just want this to hurt his life, and that precedent set. I just want it to set a precedent that it destroys "your" life to do this. But i don't think this should be a prison thing
It appears we both got what we believed he deserved. Jail term with a career destroyed.
I couldn't agree more with the Judges summing up:
“You’re not the victim of a racist hate crime, you’re not the victim of a homopobic hate crime, you’re just a charlatan pretending to be the victim of a hate crime and that’s shameful especially,” .....
“You have another side of you that is profoundly arrogant and selfish and narcissistic and that bad side of you came out during the course of this,” the judge continued.
“Your performance on the witness stand, this can only be described as pure perjury. You got on the witness stand … you committed hour upon hour upon hour of pure perjury."...
“Your performance on the witness stand, this can only be described as pure perjury. You got on the witness stand … you committed hour upon hour upon hour of pure perjury."...
“Your very name has become an adverb for lying and I cannot imagine what could be worse than that.” ...........
“Hate crimes are the absolute worst and I believe you did damage to real hate crime victims. There are people who are actual genuine victims of hate crimes that you did damage to,” Linn railed............
“For you now to sit here convicted of hoaxing hate crimes, racial hate crimes, homophobic hate crimes, the hypocrisy is just astounding … you know better than anybody else these are serious matters.”
I think the judge hit the nail on the head when he told Smollett;
“You knew this was a sore spot for everybody in this country and you knew this was a country slowly trying to heal … you took some scabs off some healing wounds and you ripped them apart for one reason: You wanted to make yourself more famous,” Linn seethed.
Linn sentenced Smollett to 30 months of probation, the first five of which he must spend in the Cook County jail, and ordered him to pay the city of Chicago $120,000 in restitution and a $25,000 fine after he was found guilty on five counts of felony disorderly conduct following his eight-day trial late last year.
One doesn't need to be a psychoanalyst to agree with the judge, one simply has to remember that all actors, lie for a living..... that is why they should keep their political views to themselves and to simply vote with their feet....imo.
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I guess his attempt at starting a race war failed.
And I suppose that we should all be thankful. I am baffled at the light sentence. I searched for the Judges comments and of those I have read do not mention at all the possible consequences this fake story could have had for the city of Chicago and the wider America had he pulled it off. Such as those I mentioned at #1.
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@Bones
I personally experimented with various so called sexual activities when I was younger...... And so I experienced various different manners of sexuality. Stephen will read this and use it against meOnly if you give mean genuine cause to do so, which you often do on a regular basis. Your own self confessed sexual deviancy is of no concern to me otherwise. I have told you, for a defence lawyer that you claim to be, you are an absolute diamond at opening the door for the prosecution.And you have spoken of your sexual deviancy and perversion before now. But I am sure you won't want reminding.... will you? Is it any wonder that you recoil at the biblical verse concerning gods "abhorrence" of homosexuality. It is a great dilemma for you I should imagine. I am not surprised you attempt to water it down given that homosexuality according to the bible warrants the death penalty.I have never confessed to being a sexual pervert no matter what lies you like to make. None of those posts from the other forum are a confession of me at all. You know it and I know it, and everyone else does. That you even refer to it is - well shows the size of your character.
Like I said above, Reverend Munchausen, - for a lawyer you are and absolute diamond for opening the door for the prosecution. You could have left it there but instead you choose to call me a liar. So here you are. This is you proclaiming your own sexual deviancy:
Yeah, Us Indians - and I can say I am Indian because I lived there for a while - have a serious problem with sex. We are deviants - but this is ok - because we are just modeling our goddess. She would be proud of us. I am not proud - but she would.We meet lots of other persons who share our sexual deviancies - it is like going home. All of our brothers are there - and dads and uncles.
That ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ is you. It has your name on it and your pompous arrogant mug too. It is you, laughing and joking about your deviancy with none other than that good ole' friend of yours Ethang 5, the forum sex pest, he that you told us you aspire to be like. >> "If I could be more like him, I would" . #76
My response to Bones is only about admitting that I have experimented sexually...None of that is a confession of being a pervert.
Nope. What you have said is exactly this>> "I personally experimented with various so called sexual activities....".#66
You need to look up sexual deviant: here you go>>
"Sexual deviance, and what is defined as sexually deviant, is culturally and historically specific. This concept refers to behaviors where individuals seek erotic gratification through means that are considered odd, different, or unacceptable to either most or influential persons in one's community. <<<<<<That Reverend Munchausen, is perversion. That is the "various sexual activities" that you mention to Bones.
And:
"Perversion is a form of human behavior which deviates from what is considered to be orthodox or normal. Although the term perversion can refer to a variety of forms of deviation, it is most often used to describe sexual behaviors that are considered particularly abnormal, repulsive or obsessive".
And says much, much more about your own "sexual deviant" character than it ever will my own.
So you chew on that before calling me a liar my lawyer friend!
I have never said that God tolerates homosexuality. I have said that God is not homophobic.
And I have said that god is anti homosexual and anti homosexuals which in todays parlance is - homophobic. But you will insist that god as not.
Leviticus 20:13King James Version13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.Do you notice those words "surely be put to death" Go and get your Hebrew bible. "dying you shall die" is the literal wooden translation.
Stop it ffs! PUT to death. That is executed , you absolute backpaddling bible dunce.
Does your own church congregation of "300" that you lead know of your sexual deviant past, Reverend Munchausen? I for one am totally baffled why a god would "choose you" to lead his flock? You would have been stoned to death in his ancient time for your self confessed "abominations", wouldn't you, Reverend Munchausen?I have been absolutely up to front with my flock as you call it.
I won't take your word for that.
Nevertheless, I am not a sexual deviant.
You are a self confessed sexual deviant and I have shown you the evidence from your own hand..
God works in mysterious ways - he calls those who are weak not the strong.
Nope. And for all your other fanciful claims of being able to "memorise the bible backwards and forwards" you have forgotten about what THE BIBLE says the blind leading the blind? Here you are>>.Matthew 15:14 One who is blind is weak of sight. God says nothing about "choosing the weak to lead" you clown.
I am certainly weak and of little understanding.
You are. You are a bible dunce if the truth is know. And with all of the fine theological scholarly education and all those languages under your belt too.
I am lowly and weak of spirit.
You are indeed. But here you are judging other peoples characters while yours couldn't get more deviant than those " ATHEIST, drug addled, homosexuals and lesbian "kiddie fiddlers", that you tell us about...#33
This is why it baffles you.
Nope. It doesn't baffle me. I simply believe that you are a self-delusional pathological lying narcissist. I have said so as recent as yesterday, here>>#186
Stephen wrote:
"The Reverend Munchausen's self centred personality is only overshadowed by his self-delusion which borders pathological. When faced with (biblical) facts that don't suit him he will ignore them and make up alternative ones via new and other personalities such as going from man to woman. This is shedding an old skin for a new one hoping no one will notice.
Of course, the sycophantic fawning s/he used receive from his supporters here did, at a time, go a long way to feed his/her massive. MASSIVE! ego but alas, it has somewhat waned .
I believe I have mentioned it before here that individuals with narcissistic personality problems don't respond well to criticism. S/He believes his own BS. Having seen and read the many haughty self aggrandizing, gasconading but ineffectual jumbled up mind that can’t distinguish fantasy from fact having had his over inflated sense of personal worth and power and his imagined sense of superior authority challenged.
The believability of the fantasy seems to be of no consequence. All that seems to count with the narcissist is whether his/her tall tales about himself helps him rebuild the façade of his/her greatness while struggling to be relevant. Individuals with narcissistic personality disorders often do not care who they manipulate and lie to or how much harm it may cause by lying, s/he is always on the lookout for dupes. It is consistent of those with narcissistic personality disorders that they expect everybody bow to their opinions and beliefs and are livid when others don't dance when told so.
Of prime importance to NPD suffers is their self aggrandizement and the propping up of their fragile egos, not the well being of their fellow men and women". .
Because God has told you why - but there will no need for him to tell you again.
God has told me absolutely nothing. But I do wish he would. The bible on the other hand, tells me much.
Mind how you preach Reverend Munchausen.
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@Bones
I personally experimented with various so called sexual activities when I was younger...... And so I experienced various different manners of sexuality. Stephen will read this and use it against me
Only if you give mean genuine cause to do so, which you often do on a regular basis. Your own self confessed sexual deviancy is of no concern to me otherwise. I have told you, for a defence lawyer that you claim to be, you are an absolute diamond at opening the door for the prosecution.
And you have spoken of your sexual deviancy and perversion before now. But I am sure you won't want reminding.... will you? Is it any wonder that you recoil at the biblical verse concerning gods "abhorrence" of homosexuality. It is a great dilemma for you I should imagine. I am not surprised you attempt to water it down given that homosexuality according to the bible warrants the death penalty.
Leviticus 20:13
King James Version
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Does your own church congregation of "300" that you lead know of your sexual deviant past, Reverend Munchausen? I for one am totally baffled why a god would "choose you" to lead his flock? You would have been stoned to death in his ancient time for your self confessed "abominations", wouldn't you, Reverend Munchausen?
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Are you that dense that you think I was disagreeing with you?
Are you that fkn dense to realise that I was only addressing and agreeing with your own comment. I said, the clue is in the word NEAR.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
We need to talk aboutThings we can be buried with that will help live an eternity in hell
I have every intention of avoiding hell, I am going to be cremated.
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Do you know who doesn't make it to documentaries and headlines? The majority of people who had NDEs that didn't experience an afterlife type thing at all.
SO?
The out of the body is an only illusion. I agree that it certainly appears very real but it isn't. And the clue in your own comment concerning NDE's is the word - NEAR.
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Do you show your moniker and icons, whereas as shown, mine are gone?
Well I do for now, Brother. Who knows what can happen when the Reverend Munchausen gets his drawers in a twist. Yet s/he claims s/he never plays the victim! But we know what a complete load of old bollocks that is.
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If I can't post anymore within this forum, it is not because of me easily not taking reins to quash pseudo-christians,
What reasons if any have been given for these inabilities for you to use the forum functions, Brother? You haven't broken any rules as I can see.
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THE NEXT BIBLE WOMAN THAT IS UNDER TIMOTHY 2:12 , AND PSYCHOTICALLY DENIES THEY ARE A WOMAN LIKE MISS TRADESECRET IS DOING AT THIS TIME WILL BE ...?
Brother, the Reverend Munchausen's self centred personality is only overshadowed by his self-delusion which borders pathological. When faced with (biblical) facts that don't suit him he will ignore them and make up alternative ones via new and other personalities such as going from man to woman. This is shedding an old skin for a new one hoping no one will notice.
Of course, the sycophantic fawning s/he used receive from his supporters here did, at a time, go a long way to feed his/her massive. MASSIVE! ego but alas, it has somewhat waned .
I believe I have mentioned it before here that individuals with narcissistic personality problems don't respond well to criticism. S/He believes his own BS. Having seen and read the many haughty self aggrandizing, gasconading but ineffectual jumbled up mind that can’t distinguish fantasy from fact having had his over inflated sense of personal worth and power and his imagined sense of superior authority challenged.
The believability of the fantasy seems to be of no consequence. All that seems to count with the narcissist is whether his/her tall tales about himself helps him rebuild the façade of his/her greatness while struggling to be relevant. Individuals with narcissistic personality disorders often do not care who they manipulate and lie to or how much harm it may cause by lying, s/he is always on the lookout for dupes. It is consistent of those with narcissistic personality disorders that they expect everybody bow to their opinions and beliefs and are livid when others don't dance when told so.
Of prime importance to NPD suffers is their self aggrandizement and the propping up of their fragile egos, not the well being of their fellow men and women. .
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