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@Deb-8-a-bull
Brainwashed and indoctrinated, Deb.
And the only single thing that shocks me these days is that nothing else shocks me.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
JESUS FUCKlNG LOVES CASH.
He certainly does , Deb.
"Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”Matthew 19:21
I wonder, what good would be giving to" the poor " serve, if the end of the world is coming to an end? What will "the poor "do with all of that hard earned cash and hard earned life times belongings of others that has just landed on their laps?
The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so that you may pray.1 Peter 4:7
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@Tradesecret
wow! you do have the temerity to acknowledge your mistakes. Way to go.
What mistake?
Tradesecret wrote: "Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33I never said MOST atheist's are kiddie criminals.
MOSTLY of MOST you idiot!
And you are a barefaced backpedalling liar aren't you!?
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@Tradesecret
Nonsense. God is all powerful - but you in your puny human way do not get to determine what that is.#66"All powerful" ? I seeTradesecret wrote: Who is pretending? I reject that God is omni- everything. There is no evidence to suggest anywhere in the bible that the God portrayed there is omni-everything. #121So which is it, you contradictory bible dunce ?Are you denying that god has all of the attributes of someone Omni?Omniscience means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future. Nothing takes him by surprise. His knowledge is total. He knows all that there is to know and all that can be known.1 John3: 20 For whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.Omnipresence means all-present. This term means that God is capable of being everywhere at the same time. It means his divine presence encompasses the whole of the universe. There is no location where he does not inhabit. This should not be confused with pantheism, which suggests that God is synonymous with the universe itself; instead, omnipresence indicates that God is distinct from the universe, but inhabits the entirety of it. He is everywhere at once.Jeremiah 23:23-33 "I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only. 24 No one can hide where I cannot see them.Omnipotence means all-powerful. Monotheistic theologians regard God as having supreme power. This means God can do what he wants. It means he is not subject to physical limitations like man is. Being omnipotent, God has power over wind, water, gravity, physics, etc. God's power is infinite, or limitless.Psalm 147:5. Great is our Lord, and abundant in power; his understanding is beyond measure.Mathew 19:26. But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”Luke 1: 37. For nothing will be impossible with God.”Mark 10:27. For all things are possible with God.”I have no issue with God having omnis. Yet to say he is omni everything goes beyond what the bible says.
What a fkn clown you are. All the above omni's are confirmed by the BIBLE itself, you idiot. Tell me are those omni's not enough for an "ALL POWERFUL GOD"?
I prefer to stick with what we know - not speculate about what we don't know
That is all you ever do is speculate and put words into the mouths of Jesus and the biblical authors. Would you like some examples of you speculating OFTEN!
To say God is omni-everything and then to push against that is weak and clearly straw.
THE BIBLE clearly shows GOD to be all omni. You just couldn't work that out for yourself you bible dunce.
"memorised the bible "my arse🤣🤣
I am not contradicting myself,
You are and you do and have been caught contradicting yourself often from the day you came here. Which always leaves having to do some serious backpedalling, lying and denying.
Here is your latest blinding contradiction:
Nonsense. God is all powerful - but you in your puny human way do not get to determine what that is.#66
"All powerful" ? I see
Tradesecret wrote: Who is pretending? I reject that God is omni- everything. There is no evidence to suggest anywhere in the bible that the God portrayed there is omni-everything. #121
So which is it, you contradictory bible dunce ?
Mind how you preach, Reverend Munchausen.😂
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@Tradesecret
Stephen, the bible is clear.
Then why would anyone need to take a "scientific approach" using "scientific methods" to understand something that you clearly have stated often is "crystal clear" and add that the gospel writers are "extremely clear on what it is they are conveying to its readers"? You are simply far too dense to realise your GLARING contradiction/s.
Yes, let's say that again. It is not a mystical book.
I have said that the bible and the New Testamant in particular is ambiguous, enigmatic and contradictory I do not recall ever saying it is a "mysterious book". this is where you, being the bone head that you are, are putting words into my mouth.
Yes, it a book that needs to be properly read. I think it is to be read literally as against a mystical understanding.
Which you have never taken the time to do for all of your claims of being able "to memorise" it and to " know it back to front in many languages". would you like the evidence?
But its not relevant to those who see through your charades and smoke and mirrors.
Can you give us a few examples of me applying "smoke and mirrors" to these ancient scriptures?
You keep forgetting Reverend Munchausen, that I have nothing to lie about or defend when it comes to these ancient writings, but you do don't you?
reading your responses - it seems you really do have a problem understanding what you are reading.
That kind of slight doesn't work on me Reverend Munchausen.
You are not a free thinker.
But I am. You are the one that is tied Reverend Munchausen. As you have told us, you are the one that has been force fed the bible and taught "to memorise the bible from a very early age". So much so that you claim to " know it backwards and in many languages including Aramaic and Hebrew" You are the one that tells us that you "simply pass on what you have been taught to "pass on" by all of those " Orthodox Priests and biblical scholars ". And you are the one that appears to have wasted all that fine education on learning the total amount of completely fk all.
You have a copy of the Secret book of Mark and its special mysteries. LOL @ you for thinking you are a free thinker.
I have read Josephus, I have read the Gnostic Gospels, I have read the Rise and Fall of Summer. I have read all the works of Budge and many other books concerning the ancients and their god/s. But any book I have read is irrelevant to my opinion, ideas and theories concerning the bible.
For instance I believe John the Baptist and Jesus were deadly rivals. I believe Jesus and or his disciples had a hand in his demise. I don't believe Jesus performed a single so called "miracle". I believe Jesus survived the cross and was nursed back to health by his "secret disciples" . I believe that Jesus and others believed he was the rightful heir to the throne of Jerusalem, and I also admit that I cannot prove any of what I believe. But let me tell you something thicko, that it is the bible itself only that gave me cause to believe what it is I believe, Reverend Munchausen.
You want to add to the words in the Bible with your secret mysticism. I think it is to be read literally as against a mystical understanding.
Nope. The only people on this whole forum that put words into the mouths of the biblical authors and biblical characters is the likes of you when completely stumped for straightforward explanations for its ambiguity, anomalies, contradictions and outright lies.
The bible itself speaks of "the mysteries" and who it is that the "mysteries " are privy to. It is not MY "mysticism" you outright clown. Yet here you are AGAIN, denying the words of the bible itself.<<< this is nothing but sheer desperation.
Tell me Reverend Munchausen, why have you spent 40 years studying and "memorising" the bible , if it as "crystal clear and unambiguous" as you claim it to be?
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@Greyparrot
Thanks'. Well if that is not a nod and a wink, I don't know what is. I have just done a quick google and it appears that many have/did taken that to be a clear "green light". So, like I have said. I am not surprised.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
"The woman Folly is loud; she is seductive and knows nothing." (Proverbs 9:13)". Truer words were never spoken relative to Miss Tradesecret being a woman as "she knows nothing!" LOL
Well I can honestly say, woman or man, male or female, a bit of both, that verse certainly applies in the case of the self professed Reverend Munchausen, Brother. And deserves a thumbs up.
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@Greyparrot
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if in the future we learn that Biden had given Putin the nod and wink to invade the Ukraine while telling President Zelenskiy that the US would support him militarily.He told him he could have a minor incursion on live TV.
Don't surprise me. Do you have a clip, GP?
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@Greyparrot
Biden is Putin's best buddy.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if in the future we learn that Biden had given Putin the nod and wink to invade the Ukraine while telling President Zelenskiy that the US would support him militarily.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
OMG, again you show Miss Tradesecrets hypocritical stance upon the JUDEO-Christian Bible to no end relating her contradicting stance upon taking the Bible literally or not!
Lets be honest, it is not too difficult to do ,Brother. And neither is it difficult to highlight his/her contradictions.
See here for his/her very latest numbskullery and bible ignorance. #70
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@n8nrgim
u guys are missing the point. it might be possible to have an artificial out of body experience,
And you are grasping at straws.
"In a little over 40 percent of my surveys, NDE"rs observed things that were geographically far from their physical body,
That will be - N - for near but not dead.
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@Tradesecret
Nonsense. God is all powerful - but you in your puny human way do not get to determine what that is.#66
"All powerful" ? I see
Tradesecret wrote: Who is pretending? I reject that God is omni- everything. There is no evidence to suggest anywhere in the bible that the God portrayed there is omni-everything. #121
So which is it, you contradictory bible dunce ?
Are you denying that god has all of the attributes of someone Omni?
Omniscience means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future. Nothing takes him by surprise. His knowledge is total. He knows all that there is to know and all that can be known.
1 John3: 20 For whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.
Omnipresence means all-present. This term means that God is capable of being everywhere at the same time. It means his divine presence encompasses the whole of the universe. There is no location where he does not inhabit. This should not be confused with pantheism, which suggests that God is synonymous with the universe itself; instead, omnipresence indicates that God is distinct from the universe, but inhabits the entirety of it. He is everywhere at once.
Jeremiah 23:23-33 "I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only. 24 No one can hide where I cannot see them.
Omnipotence means all-powerful. Monotheistic theologians regard God as having supreme power. This means God can do what he wants. It means he is not subject to physical limitations like man is. Being omnipotent, God has power over wind, water, gravity, physics, etc. God's power is infinite, or limitless.
Psalm 147:5. Great is our Lord, and abundant in power; his understanding is beyond measure.
Mathew 19:26. But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Luke 1: 37. For nothing will be impossible with God.”
Mark 10:27. For all things are possible with God.”
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@Tradesecret
the Bible is from God and worthy of being read by itself without the distortion of othersSo can it be taken literally then?Are you asking me to explain this again?
Not that you have explained this to me before but yes, I am asking you a simple yes or no question.
If we are using the word "literal" it is used in contrast to the allegorical or mystical point of view. In other words, do we take the words that are written at face value - v a mystical understanding of them.
Ok so that will be no then ? "Allegorical or mystical " Although you are quick to tell us that:
Tradescret wrote: Well, I for one, do not believe that the bible is ambiguous at all. It is clear. Crystal clear in fact.The authors in the bible are pretty clear about what they want to communicate.
Do you not see what a complete and utter contradictory clown you are Reverend Munchausen?
Face Value does not mean without context, understanding who the author is, who he is writing to, the purpose or occasion of why they are writing, the type of genre being used.
So then the answer again is no, the bible is not to be taken literally. Something I have been saying since the day I came to the forum.
so the Bible is written clearly ( for the most part). It is not a mystical book per se.
You just want it both fkn ways. Particularly when your on the backfoot.
It is not a mystical book
Yet Jesus speaks of teaching the "mysteries" often. Speaks in parables and often does things in secret.
"He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.".Matthew 13:11
This implies secret teachings, does it not? To a chosen few and not for the uninitiated.
So the bible cannot be taken literally, it is full of ambiguity , full enigmatic half stories, full of ambiguous and enigmatic verses and that is something else I have been saying here from day one: And it is not as "crystal clear" as you regularly purport it to be , is it you clown?
You just want to jump in and out as its suites you.
One day you will say you " I do not ever take the bible literally" and another day you will say the bible is to be taken "both literally and none literally".
The fact is that you simply interpret the scriptures as YOU believe them and or been taught to believe them. I, on the other hand am a free thinker, I do the same... but I believe they tell a completely different story to the wonder working prince of peace that you believe and have faith in and which I have laid out many times in most my own threads.
You just don't like the fact that I am showing that there could be, or is, another side to the NT and Jesus that you do not recognise, accept or like.
Tell me Reverend Munchausen, why have you spent 40 years studying and "memorising" the bible , if it as "crystal clear and unambiguous" as you claim it to be?
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@Tradesecret
Prove me wrong, weasel.
About what? I wasn't even concerned about those stats offered by FLRW #23. My point was that many criminals suddenly find god when their back is against the wall and gave an example. I have more should you wish to read them.
We have Christian people go in and speak to them. But mostly, they won't even talk about God unless it will help them get out. This is AUSTRALIA. Most convicts are ATHEIST.
And that was my point you absolute cretin!!! And you also say that "Many ATHEIST are kiddie fiddlers and incarcerated for "Kiddie crime", don't you?
Tradesecret wrote: "Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33
So looking at your own stats, what number do you regard as "many" from the "most atheists" that you claim are " drug addled, airhead, lesbian and gay and those you consider to be "kiddie fiddlers"?
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@Tradesecret
And how does Christianity go about engaging and fighting Evil?The answer to this - is preaching the gospel. .....The gospel; those will be the words and teachings of Jesus?Well, that would be one simplistic way of looking at it.
Are you trying to suggest that there are other ways of preaching the gospel other than by using the words of Jesus from the gospel?
Preaching the gospel is promoting Jesus and his kingdom - proclaiming the truth about humanity's sin and hopelessness. Proclaiming the truth about Jesus' righteousness. Proclaiming the FACT that all will be judged, including the devil.
Indeed it is, " preaching " and "proclaiming" yet you denied just recently that you don't speak on the behalf of Jesus. #96 although you also tell us that "god called you". Tell me, if you are not purporting to be speaking on behalf of Jesus by proclaiming and prompting his words from the gospel, what are you actually doing?
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@n8nrgim
if out of body experiences are true,
They are true. I have experienced them myself. It is known as Sleep Paralysis. It happens just has one is falling to sleep. By all accounts it is a natural occurrence and a safety mechanism to stop us physically acting out our dreams. Only in some people the paralysis kicks in before one is fully a sleep .
that's evidence the afterlife is true.
[A] No. It isn't evidence of life after death simply because I hadn't died but woke up in my bed after the frightening experience had passed. I have suffered this condition from my early teens and it is/can be extremely frightening. It wanes as one gets older and I haven't had an episode for over 30+ years but it is an experience one doesn't forget.
The same is experienced by those on the operating table that are not fully anesthetised. Or have been in an accident and are losing consciences. One can be paralyzed and see yourself out of your body.
if what i said about out of body experiences is true in my above post, that's evidence that out of body evidences, and therefore the afterlife.
No. See [A] above.
From the Sleep Foundation;
"Sleep paralysis is a temporary inability to move that occurs right after falling asleep or waking up. Individuals remain aware during episodes, which frequently involve troubling hallucinations and a sensation of suffocation.
These episodes of sleep paralysis involve elements of both sleep and wakefulness, which is part of why they can give rise to distressing symptoms".
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@n8nrgim
it is irrational to argue that there's no evidence for the afterlife
Why is it?
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@Tradesecret
the Bible is from God and worthy of being read by itself without the distortion of others
So can it be taken literally then?
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@GnosticChristianBishop
On Jesus dying for Christians. Try to think in a moral way.It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for us, after condemning us unjustly in the first place.Christians have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil they make Jesus to keep their feel good get out of hell free card.It is a lie, first and foremost, because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.
A+1 Post.
I covered those points sometime ago in a thread of my own about two years ago.
I Didn’t Ask Anyone To Die For Me.
I said then: the idea that I would ask or want anyone to suffer for my crimes or sins is abhorrent and it appals me. Neither my brother nor Jesus is my keeper. And I will suffer and `bare my own cross, ' as it is I that am responsible for my own actions.
Notice in that thread the Reverend Munchhausen attempts to replace my two initial questions with question/s of his own #13
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@Tradesecret
I'm not your lackey. You finally asked a question that required a response.
"FINALLY!!!?
Just cannot help yourself can you Reverend Munchausen.
My point was that you HAD responded to my own and that of GnosticChristianBishop initial question concerning the word - evil - BUT with a billion longwinded statements and questions of your own here> #2 here #14 here#15here#17 & here#21 until burying the initial (unanswered) question asked at post #3. in a response telling us that we " had to answer your own questions first" when you could have simply give the straight and clear answer at the time instead of some weeks and 33 post later as you now finally have done so here>> #38, this is what I mean by your intentional procrastination.
And how does Christianity go about engaging and fighting Evil?The answer to this - is preaching the gospel. .....
The gospel; those will be the words and teachings of Jesus?
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@GnosticChristianBishop
Our friend is not a dunce.He just does not want to face the reality of how vile Christianity is today and Yahweh has always been.
No he [Brother D Thomas]isn't a dunce. Far from it. He may not like it, but he accepts the fact that god is as vile as the BIBLE portrays him to be . The Reverend Munchhausen Tradesecret on the other hand, is in complete denial of the BIBLICAL facts.
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@Tradesecret
Christianity engages and fights evil.Can you define Evil for us?I define evil as the absence of good.
Wasn't too difficult was it.
We agree then. Although I asked you exactly the same question nearly a month & 33 posts ago and you continued to procrastinate on the question.
I posted this over page at #3
KJV dictionary defines evilHaving bad qualities of a natural kind; mischievous; having qualities which tend to injury, or to produce mischief.Having bad qualities of a moral kind; wicked; corrupt; perverse; wrong; as evil thoughts; evil deeds; evil speaking; an evil generation.Unfortunate; unhappy; producing sorrow, distress, injury or calamity; as evil tidings; evil arrows; evil days.So, looking at that it simply means anything not good.#3
You could have simply said that you agree with me & the KJV dictionary way back then.
Anyway..
And how does Christianity go about engaging and fighting Evil?The answer to this - is preaching the gospel. .....
The gospel; those will be the words and teachings of Jesus?
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@Tradesecret
Christianity engages and fights evil.
Can you define Evil for us?
And how does Christianity go about engaging and fighting Evil?
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@BrotherD.Thomas
Remember dear, you are a second class woman as your biography shows you to be herewith; https://ibb.co/NFcsLgyTherefore, to try and remove these disturbing passages and narratives towards Jesus, she joined the ranks of being a pseudo-christian apologist and learned about Satanic hermeneutics to try and remove said disturbing facts about our serial killer Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate!
Well of course Brother, that will depend on the Reverend Munchhausen's definition of "second class" and the word "woman" compared to your own and the universal accepted definitions.
For instance, watch the Reverend Munchhausen, a student of English, Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew defining for us two simple words beginning with C & D using his unique "scientific methodology" ;
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@FLRW
Theists have to continually uphold abjectly ridiculous assertions as being factual.This continual assault on cognitive reasoning, muddies the waters, and makes the path to a well reasoned conclusion difficult to follow. #27
A+1
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@FLRW
From a study in 2013, The percent of people in federal prison which called themselves:
1. Religious 99.9%
2. Atheists .1%
But not according to the bible dunce Reverend Munchausen Tradsecrete that will have it that:
Tradesecret wrote: Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33
From what I can gather is that many proclaim to be religious only after conviction. And there are many reasons for this by all accounts,
such as this vile bastard;
Chris Watts was sentenced to five life sentences for killing his two daughters, wife, and their unborn baby.
"He's apparently found religion while in prison, praying often and telling his family he has proclaimed himself a “servant of God." But when he's not reflecting, he's thinking of his family".
Very fkn convenient, don't you think?. But he isn't the first and neither will he be the last. I suppose it gives the prison Chaplain something to justify his own purpose,calling & existence. And of course, the $60.000 a year for talking religious bollocks helps too.
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@Tradesecret
The fact is religion has many definitions and not just one.
As much as you want it to , the word religion does not have "many definitions".
You state here that;
"I did not choose my religion. God chose me" #48. So tell me Reverend Münchhausen, what is the definition of the word religion in this case?
Just because I have learnt and studied does not mean I have finished doing so.
I agree. But these multiple biblical schoolboy errors of yours are inexcusable for a man of the cloth whom you say "god chose" personaly#48 and that claims to " have been taught to read AND memorise the bible from a very young age and in many languages" too#52? And that was "tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox Church"#91 . That claims to be able to read the bible in many languages and translate these ancient scriptures into English#25 But you want us to believe that you have not ironed out this little biblical dilemma of inherited sin concerning Jesus?
you don't know everything
I don't know everything, I am pleased to say. What would be the point of knowing everything, Reverend Munchhausen? I just happen to know these scriptures better that you do regardless of your alleged scholarly education. You are a bible dunce that doesn't take too long to tie in a not of your own making.
I am able to present my doubts on subjects.
Of course you are. But the "doubts" that you express conflict with everything you profess to know and believe about the bible and god.
You say the bible is "just a book that can't cause anything", but in the next breath you will have us believe it is the reliable word of god and that god himself "uses the bible as a tool to bring about change in us#2". It hardly "just a book" if it is ram - pact with gods words that he uses himself, now is it, Reverend Münchhausen? Then you state this double speak all in the same sentence.;
"I don't think there is an undeniable proof that the bible is true. It would depend upon the measure of truth in the first place and by what measure of truth would be acceptable. As far as I am concerned however the Bible is infallible. It is inerrant. It is entirely trustworthy. It reliable. #15".
I will continue to be honest and also retain my dignity and integrity. You have lost yours a long time ago ...
Is that an idiom, or rhyming slang?
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@Tradesecret
Behold another bold face lie by the master of trolls. "Many end up in prison". Not most. Read it againI don't have to read it again. This is what you have said about atheist that "you know" .Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33You keep ignoring your own statements and causing me to re-post what YOU have actually wrote and who you wrote about . I shall point you to the relevant part that you are attempting to play down and deny.You clearly say about MOST atheist that "you know" :"Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime#33Stephen it is obvious when you go back and read my words that you squirm and realize (AGAIN) the errors of your own responses.
Nope you make YOUR opinions extremely clear about what you "KNOW" about " MOST" of the atheist that you have been unfortunate to have met; It is you that is "squirming" at being reminded;
Tradsecret wrote:
Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33
"To be clear I own all of my words" .#54Or are you saying that these were not your own words but someone else's'?Stephen, would it be too much to ask you to stop being a donkey? Of course I own my words.
Good then stop trying to deny and play down your past comments that are coming back to haunt you.
And let me remind you, that the person that you aspire to be like - Ethang5, has been banned for saying exactly what you are also saying and accusing "many" atheists of being;"ethang5 has been banned for 30 days for an ongoing pattern of unwarrantedly accusing people of being pedophiles seemingly when in any heated disagreement with him".I like Ethang5. He is someone whom I admire. He is head and shoulders in character above either you or the Brother.
Well you have made your opinions and your aspirations to be like the misogynist and forum sex pest Ethang5 clear at every opportunity. Here's one instance of many>
Tradesecret wrote: "Ethang5 is a good friend of mine. I have know him for a significant period of time. And if you think we are like each other, that is a huge compliment for me. If I could be more like him, I would" . #76
Well with that comment of yours, I am pleased to inform you that you certainly reached your aspirations when you posted this>> #33
I am not Ethang5 if that is what you are trying to suggest.
Like have have said, you have reached your aspirations "to be like him"#76 when you posted this>> #33.
If you don't have anything constructive to say about religion on this site then perhaps you ought to find yourself another hobby, rather than stalking and bullying people.
Who have I "bullied"? YOU? You that states often that you are pleased that I resurrect your past comment's and encourages me to do so? And that tells me:
Tradsecret wrote: After all, you are the swine and the dogs that trample over the pearls. your comments to me are like water of a ducks back. #36
Not to mention that you consider me to be:
Tradsecret wrote: the serpent, satan, whatever - he is the accuser and you follow after him. you are his disciple. From my point of view - he is slime. You know like the stuff we find after a snail has passed by. creepy. disgusting. Ugly. \ #24
Big fkn mistake Reverend.
I'm fine right here Reverend Munchausen, thank you very much.
Mind how you preach. 🤣
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@Tradesecret
Nope - you are totally wrong. The Bible is not homophobic.Just because you want to specify one sexual act and make the bible about that - the Bible and Christian's dont'you conflate the truth with lies - the general with the specific - homosexuality with other sexual acts - and you pick and choose.The Bible is not homophobic and you have not come close to proving otherwise.
WRONG you idiot. The bible is anti homosexuality and therefor anti homosexual and the BIBLE is clear on both counts. Homosexuality is an "ABOMINATION" to god and homosexuals have a death sentence over there heads. Today this is considered in todays language to be "homophobic".
What I am simply saying it is ANTI HOMOSEXUAL.
“If a man lies with a male as with a woman,both of them have committed an abomination;they shall be put to death;their blood is upon them.”— Leviticus 20:13
It is not "scientific", it is "crystal clear" and "unambiguous".
That ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ in any language is ANTI HOMSEXUAL, you idiot. And you claim that the bible needs to be taken and read with a "scientific approach" using the "scientific method". 🤣
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@Tradesecret
Why would anyone need to take a "scientific" approach or use "scientific methodology" to what you say of the bible that it " is so clearly written ,crystal clear in fact" and is "unambiguous" and that the authors are" extremely clear on what they intended to communicate"?Anyone with half a brain - understands the scientific approach to reading is the proper way to read books.Nope. The bible is "just a book of words that don't mean anything" and a book that can't cause anything" and are "crystal clear and unambiguous" according to you. Therefore there is no reason to take a scientific approach to it. it is not a scientific book of any sort.don't attribute words to me that are your interpretation of what I wrote.
So are you denying that it is YOU that says of words in the bible that: "Words
are words. And that is all they are". #45 Tradesecret? <<< this is YOU, Reverend Reverend Munchhausen and the substance and the context is there in the link for anyone to read for themselves.
Are you also denying that it is YOU that says of the bible: "The
Bible is a book. It can't cause anything" .#3 Tradesecret? <<<<< this is YOU, Reverend Munchhausen and the substance and the context is there in the link for anyone to read for themselves.
Are you also denying that it is YOU that says of the bible : " But the fact is most of it is pretty easy to understand and interpret......The authors in the bible are pretty clear about what they want to communicate" #62 Tradesecret <<<<< this is YOU, Reverend Reverend Munchhausen and the substance and the context is there in the link for anyone to read for themselves.
Are you also now denying that it is YOU have categorically stated that: "Well, I for one, do not believe that the bible is ambiguous at all. It is clear. Crystal clear in fact". #55 Tradesecret<<<<<< this is YOU, Reverend Reverend Munchhausen and the substance and the context is there in the link for anyone to read for themselves.
And NOW YOUR most recent claim about the bible is: " The Bible is clear."#161 Tradesecret <<<<<< this is YOU, Reverend Reverend Munchhausen and the substance and the context is there in the link for anyone to read for themselves.
If all the above are as you have categorically stated, then why are you claiming that one has to take a "scientific approach" to something so crystal clear, unambiguous, from a book that is full of "just full word that can't cause anything"?
I see no point in continuing this conversation.
Well of course you don't. You have been caught out again for the contradictory bible dunce that you clearly are.
As I have been saying from the day I joined here, that Bible/The New Testament is full of contradictory nonsense. It is full of half ambiguous and enigmatic stories and sayings that do not make a single bit of sense on the surface. But you insist that is is "crystal clear and that the authors make themselves clear on what they want to convey".. You are a fkn clown,Reverend Munchhausen and I am sure that many reading here can see you for the lying contradictory clown that you are.
And what do you do with the information that you get from scripture?Well it depends what information you are talking about? As a general rule - I try to read a passage, interpret it to understand it, and then ascertain any relevant principles from it - that might be applied to my life. I try to ascertain whether the principle is a command or a recommendation or some kind of wisdom. I try to ascertain whether it is an encouragement or a correction or a rebuke or a manner of training me for righteousness. I try to ascertain whether it was addressed to me as a person in every generation or whether it was addressed to the people of Israel or to a particular individual. Or whether it was a principle or prophecy for Jesus.
Ok I'll play. And once you have considered and ascertained any relevant principles and to whom it may have been addressed to, what do you do with results and how do you use your own findings that you have gleaned from your "scientific" studies of the bible?
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Behold another bold face lie by the master of trolls. "Many end up in prison". Not most. Read it again
I don't have to read it again. This is what you have said about atheist that "you know" .
Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33
You keep ignoring your own statements and causing me to re-post what YOU have actually wrote and who you wrote about . I shall point you to the relevant part that you are attempting to play down and deny.
You clearly say about MOST atheist that "you know" :
"Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime#33
I understand you haven't a clue what is going on in scriptures, as they have been taught to you by superior bible dunces- as much as you attempt to re-write them. But you should at least be able to understand what is CLEARY written by your own hand, Reverend Munchausen.
You do assure us:
"To be clear I own all of my words" .#54
Or are you saying that these were not your own words but someone else's'?
And let me remind you, that the person that you aspire to be like - Ethang5, has been banned for saying exactly what you are also saying and accusing "many" atheists of being;
"ethang5 has been banned for 30 days for an ongoing pattern of unwarrantedly accusing people of being pedophiles seemingly when in any heated disagreement with him".
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What did God choose you for?Well according to Ephesians 1:4 it was so that I might be holy and blameless in his sight. He goes on to say he predestined me and other believers in accordance with his pleasure and will - to the praise of his glorious grace.
I asked what god chose you for. Now why you believe he chose you, thicko.
Why would anyone need to take a "scientific" approach or use "scientific methodology" to what you say of the bible that it " is so clearly written ,crystal clear in fact" and is "unambiguous" and that the authors are" extremely clear on what they intended to communicate"?Anyone with half a brain - understands the scientific approach to reading is the proper way to read books.
Nope. The bible is "just a book of words that don't mean anything" and a book that can't cause anything" and are "crystal clear and unambiguous" according to you. Therefore there is no reason to take a scientific approach to it. it is not a scientific book of any sort.
When we are trying to understand what the authors of a book that is written over 2000 years of history.....
But do you not say this of the bible authors>>.
Tradesecret wrote:"The authors in the bible are pretty clear about what they want to communicate". ?
Do you not also press home your point with this >>
Tradesecret wrote: "Well, I for one, do not believe that the bible is ambiguous at all. It is clear. Crystal clear in fact." https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4148-why-do-scripter-beleivers-cherry-pick-verses?page=3&post_number=55
Those are your words not mine. yet here you are NOW telling us that one needs to take a "scientific approach" to something that you claim is simple to read and those authors are" pretty clear about what they want to communicate " concerning what you have also have said is "unambiguous and crystal clear".. You are simply full of contradictory shite at the end of the day, aren't you Reverend Munchhausen?
And what do you do with the information that you get from scripture?Well it depends what information you are talking about? As a general rule - I try to read a passage, interpret it to understand it, and then ascertain any relevant principles from it - that might be applied to my life. I try to ascertain whether the principle is a command or a recommendation or some kind of wisdom. I try to ascertain whether it is an encouragement or a correction or a rebuke or a manner of training me for righteousness. I try to ascertain whether it was addressed to me as a person in every generation or whether it was addressed to the people of Israel or to a particular individual. Or whether it was a principle or prophecy for Jesus.
Ok I'll play. And once you have considered and ascertained any relevant principles and to whom it may have been addressed to, what do you do with results and how do you use your own findings that you have gleaned from your "scientific" studies of the bible?
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I don't think Christianity is homophobic.It is if Christians are of the belief that Jesus is also god from the beginning. Do you believe then that Jesus is also god from the beginning?If your point is that Christianity is part and parcel with the same God of the OT, then yes - I can for the sake of the discussion agree that Jesus is from the beginning. Yet this does not make Christianity homophobic.
Then you are the contradictory clown I have always taken you to be.
The bible is not homophobic.The bible clearly states that the sentence for homosexuality is death. Or are you saying it doesn't?Yes, the OT law states that the maximum sentence for homosexuality is death. This however does not make it homophobic.
It makes it anti homosexual , doesn't it?
NEVERTHELESS - it depends what homophobic means.Define homophobia while keeping in mind that the word phobic means to have an irrational fear or dread of something or someone? Was god being irrational and did he have an irrational fear of homosexuals when commanded the death sentence for homosexuals?God does not have an irrational fear of anything including homosexuals. So again - God is not homophobic.
Then you have proven my point you bible dunce. What it makes the bible and god is anti homosexual. You can play semantics all day you bible dunce, but this is a fact that you simply cannot shake off.
If it means disagrees with homosexuality then yes it is homophobic.So does god define homophobia.Good question. I don't know. Having said that - I was responding in relation to how it is understood by the wider and general population.
I understand that ,but considering the "wider and general population" in those ancient times, I would have believed that the word "homophobia or homophobic were not the common parlance for anti homosexual. But what we do know from THE BIBLE that there IS clear anti homosexuality, and anti homosexual, don't we?
If it means hates and wants to be violent towards homosexuals - then it is not homophobic.Then, by your own words the bible is homophobic. Because the god of the bible commands the death penalty for homosexuality. Is this not hateful enough and violent enough for you, Reverend Munchausen?False. Don't conflate the act and the individual.
Nope. Your playing words games, and very poorly. God believes HOMOSEXUALTY to be an ABOMINATION. And he that practices HOMSEXUALITY is to be sentenced to death. This is known then as now as ANTI homosexuality.
These two ideas and concepts are very different.No. And this is where you are trying to redefine a word and reinterpret what god means when speaking of homosexuality. Homosexuality is an "abomination" to god so much so that he commands the death penalty for this "abomination".I have explained more above. I am not attempting to redefine any word. Stop telling lies. Yes, Homosexuality in God's eyes is an abomination. I have never said or implied otherwise. It is not alone though - it is in a category with many other forms including de-facto relationships.
Stop it you idiot. We are specifically discussing Homosexuality and what the bible says about HOMSEXUALITY and what god has to say about it. No matter how hard you attempt you dilute it with "other forms including de-facto relationships. " the bible is ANTI homosexuality and therefore his ANTI homosexual.
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Christianity is not misogynous.It very clearly is. Would you like the BIBLICAL evidence, Reverend Munchausen?No it is not. People within the bible may well have acted in such a way - but the principles derived from Scripture would never lead us to that conclusion. Not honestly anyway.
BS.
What the BIBLE has to say about a woman's position in society of the times is clearly sysognyistic.
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Well, as I predicted here , Brother>>>#128"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)But I don't doubt the above verse will not apply to the Reverend Munchausen and s/he will have a new definition for the word "liars" and a new translation for what Revelation 21:8 actually means.#128Tradesecret wrote: "It does not apply to me in that context". #131
Surely even [...........] you appreciates that [for] verse to apply to me requires that I be a liar?
It does, and you are. Your own contradictory bio's have proven that..... Reverend Munchausen.
I reject that God is omni- everything.
Why? Are you denying that god has all of the attributes of someone Omni?
Omniscience means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future. Nothing takes him by surprise. His knowledge is total. He knows all that there is to know and all that can be known.
Omnipresence means all-present. This term means that God is capable of being everywhere at the same time. It means his divine presence encompasses the whole of the universe. There is no location where he does not inhabit. This should not be confused with pantheism, which suggests that God is synonymous with the universe itself; instead, omnipresence indicates that God is distinct from the universe, but inhabits the entirety of it. He is everywhere at once.
Omnipotence means all-powerful. Monotheistic theologians regard God as having supreme power. This means God can do what he wants. It means he is not subject to physical limitations like man is. Being omnipotent, God has power over wind, water, gravity, physics, etc. God's power is infinite, or limitless.
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SATANIC WITCH in under 60 seconds.Practice this over and over and you will get it down to 20 seconds max.
Not sure about the bold underlined, Deb? It appears that one has to go through some sorts of "major woo woo" stages of initiation also known "Reiki attunement" to become a fully fledged, fully licenced broom riding Witch#1
The Witch in the case mentioned appears elated that she has achieved "level one" on her journey. What level one actually entails/d and actually means, is anyone's guess as are the number of stages she has to reach or achieve?
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Well, as I predicted here , Brother>>>#128
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)But I don't doubt the above verse will not apply to the Reverend Munchausen and s/he will have a new definition for the word "liars" and a new translation for what Revelation 21:8 actually means.#128
Tradesecret wrote: "It does not apply to me in that context". #131
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Repent of your ways - forsake the ignorance of your own wisdom and embrace the wisdom of GOD.
Speaking of ignorance, you missed the questions that you say you can and do and will answer;
What did God choose you for?
Why would anyone need to take a "scientific" approach or use "scientific methodology" to what you say of the bible that it " is so clearly written ,crystal clear in fact" and is "unambiguous" and that the authors are" extremely clear on what they intended to communicate"?
And what do you do with the information that you get from scripture?
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So god let jesus be killed for hot cross buns.
Indeed. And very annoyed buns they must have been at being dragged into the nonsense spouted about the cruci-fiction
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You really are a contradictory bible dunce aren't you, Reverend Munchausen? lets break your contradictory nonsense down.
I don't think Christianity is homophobic.
It is if Christians are of the belief that Jesus is also god from the beginning. Do you believe then that Jesus is also god from the beginning?
The bible is not homophobic.
The bible clearly states that the sentence for homosexuality is death. Or are you saying it doesn't?
NEVERTHELESS - it depends what homophobic means.
Define homophobia while keeping in mind that the word phobic means to have an irrational fear or dread of something or someone? Was god being irrational and did he have an irrational fear of homosexuals when commanded the death sentence for homosexuals?
If it means disagrees with homosexuality then yes it is homophobic.
So does god define homophobia.
If it means hates and wants to be violent towards homosexuals - then it is not homophobic.
Then, by your own words the bible is homophobic. Because the god of the bible commands the death penalty for homosexuality. Is this not hateful enough and violent enough for you, Reverend Munchausen?
These two ideas and concepts are very different.
No. And this is where you are trying to redefine a word and reinterpret what god means when speaking of homosexuality. Homosexuality is an "abomination" to god so much so that he commands the death penalty for this "abomination".
If homophobic combines the two then it does harm to ideas and thinking in principle.
And here you are again, suggesting and trying to introduce things that have absolutely nothing to do with what the bible and god say about homosexuality.
Christianity is not myogenous.
It very clearly is. Would you like the BIBLICAL evidence, Reverend Munchausen?
Define what a just cause is. And then explain why that actually matters.
Irrelevant, gods command is clear. You absolute bible dunce.
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Lied.....
About date of birth.
" Gender.
" Country of birth and residence.
I keep asking myself why when there was absolutely no need?
"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)
But I don't doubt the above verse will not apply to the Reverend Munchausen and s/he will have a new definition for the word "liars" and a new translation for what Revelation 21:8 actually means.
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Tradesecret, now to save yourself from further embarrassment .................., isn’t it time again for you to make a "sheepish exit stage right," and disappear again until the dust settles upon your most recent and complete Bible stupidity?
It is, and s/he has. S/he's probably taking council with all those " bible scholars,academics,priests and fathers from the
Orthodox Church #91 and his Hebrew teacher#45" that he brags and claims about being tutored under. Why he thinks that will improve even his/her basic biblical knowledge is anyone's guess, Brother.
Although, he claims to " know the bible backwards - and frontwards - in Hebrew, Greek and
Aramaic".#191, not to mention he has "been taught to memorise the scriptures from a young age".#52
Still, god loves a tryer, Brother.
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I don't quote scripture at you.And I haven't said you have on this occasion. But then that is not what I was disputing here , Reverend Münchhausen , now was it.You claimed; 'that you do not speak on behalf of Jesus', here>> #96.There is a difference between me on a forum site purporting to speak on behalf of Jesus and me in my ordinary calling speaking for Jesus.
No there isn't. You had a calling, and "god chose you"#48 according to you. Jesus gave all his disciples a mission and the agenda of that mission his clearly spelled out in the gospels, here Mark 16:15& here Matthew 28:19-20 , which YOU are denying and suggest it doesn't mean what it says actually says- no surprises there then.. You have quoted directly from the gospels many times on this forum and gave your own opinions of what you believe god means and is conveying <<<<<this is your calling and its agenda, you idiot. Unless of course you have lied about your calling, your high status in the church and lied about being " a pastor of a church with over 300 people" #67? Otherwise, "The authors in the bible are pretty clear about what they want to communicate". So tell us what in hells name did God choose you for?
Did you forget your calling, Reverend Münchhausen?Obviously! With just hint of sarcasm.
That will be a yes then and from he, a man of the cloth that claims to have" been taught to memorised the bible from a very young age."#52
I never said the bible was a scientific book. I said that the scientific methodology of reading books ought to be used.Why scientific method? Don't you often tell us :Tradesecret wrote:"Well, I for one, do not believe that the bible is ambiguous at all. It is clear. Crystal clear in fact." https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4148-why-do-scripter-beleivers-cherry-pick-verses?page=3&post_number=55Why would anyone need to take a "scientific" approach or use "scientific methodology" to what you say is so clearly written and unambiguous ?I am quite curious that you think you are making some kind of point here.
Address the points, you bible dunce. You brought "scientific methodology" into the mix.
Don't you also tell us that:Tradesecret wrote:"The authors in the bible are pretty clear about what they want to communicate". ?So again, bible dunce, if the authors have made the bible very clear and unambiguous, and extremely clear on what they intended to communicate, then why does anyone have to take a "scientific "approach to, or use "scientific methodology" for the bible?I am curious -
I bet you are. This will be because your statements do not hold water. Unless you can actually soundly address the questions .
Holy books and any book - can be understood when the proper questions are asked.Nonsense! You mean only questions that YOU are able to answer are the correct questions, and you steer well clear of those that cause you problems and that you cannot answer and consider are the wrong questions.You do it all the time by prefixing many of your replies to questions asked of you with the words " maybe a better question would be" or "great question but the question should be" or "interesting question I am not sure its the right one" or "a better question to ask would be" in the hope of steering yourself away from an embarrassing question and /or conversation. Its an old trick and won't work on me. You take everyone here for a mugs and bible dunces and you make that mistake with myself and others often, you bible dunce. I am simply able to see right through your swerving and evading bullshite.Don't nonsense me. I don't change the meaning.
You do it all the time, you liar.
Yes. I ask questions - and prompt people to ask better questions - why?
Because just like me, I want answers instead of another question in reply, something else you do and often.
So tell me Reverend Münchhausen, from whence does your information come concerning the life and teaching of the Christ, if not the scriptures?It does come from the Scriptures.
And what do you do with this memorised information from scripture?
I know this doesn't fit you agenda -I don't have an agenda you clown but you certainly do, would you like reminding once AGAIN what your agenda is?Tell me Reverend Münchhausen, do you not quote scripture at all when preaching to your " church of over 300"?Again I DONT HAVE an agenda. The Great Commission is NOT MY AGENDA.....
But you do and it is. As I , and the bible clearly point out to you. You just cannot cope with the fact that you, a man of the cloth with a " congregation of over 300" didn't understand your calling or hadn't even heard of it. The latter is more likely the case.
I reject that God is omni- everything.
Why? Are you denying that god has all of the attributes of someone Omni?
Omniscience means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future. Nothing takes him by surprise. His knowledge is total. He knows all that there is to know and all that can be known.
Omnipresence means all-present. This term means that God is capable of being everywhere at the same time. It means his divine presence encompasses the whole of the universe. There is no location where he does not inhabit. This should not be confused with pantheism, which suggests that God is synonymous with the universe itself; instead, omnipresence indicates that God is distinct from the universe, but inhabits the entirety of it. He is everywhere at once.
Omnipresence means all-present. This term means that God is capable of being everywhere at the same time. It means his divine presence encompasses the whole of the universe. There is no location where he does not inhabit. This should not be confused with pantheism, which suggests that God is synonymous with the universe itself; instead, omnipresence indicates that God is distinct from the universe, but inhabits the entirety of it. He is everywhere at once.
Omnipotence means all-powerful. Monotheistic theologians regard God as having supreme power. This means God can do what he wants. It means he is not subject to physical limitations like man is. Being omnipotent, God has power over wind, water, gravity, physics, etc. God's power is infinite, or limitless.
OR are you going to interpret these words using your own definitions to each , even Australian ones?
Despite LIARS like yourself pretending that no one can answer your questions.
So you can and will answer these questions then.
What did God choose you for?
Why would anyone
need to take a "scientific" approach or use "scientific
methodology" to what you say is so clearly written "crystal clear in fact" and is unambiguous and that the authors are" extremely clear on what they intended to communicate"?
And what do you do
with the information that you get from scripture?
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@FLRW
But a conditioned theist still wouldn't listen to reason.
Add to this their inability to actually think and read these ambiguous bible stories for themselves and prefer instead to just regurgitate what they have been told to "pass on". Such as here>>
Tradsecret wrote: "I in most parts are merely passing on the teaching of what i have
received.
I do not have an agenda. I really don't". #20
This^^^^ from a man of the cloth that received a "calling" and was "chosen by god"#48 freely admitting and displaying the conditioned state that you have mentioned above, while saying he "does not have an agenda". This from the same that tells us he has been taught " memorised the bible from an young age" that seems to have forgotten that his lord and leader actually gave him and agenda, here>>
Mark 16:15 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature".
and here>. " Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you".Matthew 28:19-20
You couldn't make it up, Vic lad.
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That isn't all that appears wrong in that link Brother.
She insists she is Australian but the link clearly shows her to be a New Zealander. Her date of birth seems also confusing. The link states she was born Jan 1st 1969 while telling the forum she was born the day of the moon landing. ..
A lot of confusion there, Brother, about a lot of details?
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@BrotherDThomas
I don't quote scripture at you.
And I haven't said you have on this occasion. But then that is not what I was disputing here , Reverend Münchhausen , now was it.
You claimed; 'that you do not speak on behalf of Jesus', here>> #96.
I had to remind YOU, a man of the cloth and "chosen by god"#48 that your calling was most certainly to speak on behalf of Jesus, HERE>>#98
Stephen wrote: But that is your "calling" you bible dunce. Don't you tell us that "god chose you"#48? WTF did he choose you for? And for someone that often claims to have been taught to "memorised the bible from very young age"#52 you always forget what the Christ himself commanded you to do; to go out and preach the gospel to all the world.Mark 16:15 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature". <<<<THAT Reverend Munchhausen, means to speak for Jesus and on his behalf.And only a bible dunce claiming to be a Pastor or a Chaplain with a serious memory problem could forget this:" Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you".Matthew 28:19-20 <<<<< THAT, you bible dunce IS your mission on earth. And otherwise known as The Great Commission.
Did you forget your calling, Reverend Münchhausen?
I never said the bible was a scientific book. I said that the scientific methodology of reading books ought to be used.
Why scientific method? Don't you often tell us :
Tradesecret wrote:
"Well,
I for one, do not believe that the bible is ambiguous at all.
It is clear. Crystal clear in fact." https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/4148-why-do-scripter-beleivers-cherry-pick-verses?page=3&post_number=55
Why would anyone need to take a "scientific" approach or use "scientific methodology" to what you say is so clearly written and unambiguous ?
Don't you also tell us that:
Tradesecret wrote:
"The
authors in the bible are pretty clear about what they want to
communicate". ?
So again, bible dunce, if the authors have made the bible very clear and unambiguous, and extremely clear on what they intended to communicate, then why does anyone have to take a "scientific "approach to, or use "scientific methodology" for the bible?
Holy books and any book - can be understood when the proper questions are asked.
Nonsense! You mean only questions that YOU are able to answer are the correct questions, and you steer well clear of those that cause you problems and that you cannot answer and consider are the wrong questions.
You do it all the time by prefixing many of your replies to questions asked of you with the words " maybe a better question would be" or "great question but the question should be" or "interesting question I am not sure its the right one" or "a better question to ask would be" in the hope of steering yourself away from an embarrassing question and /or conversation. Its an old trick and won't work on me. You take everyone here for a mugs and bible dunces and you make that mistake with myself and others often, you bible dunce. I am simply able to see right through your swerving and evading bullshite.
So tell me Reverend Münchhausen, from whence does your information come concerning the life and teaching of the Christ, if not the scriptures?
I know this doesn't fit you agenda -
I don't have an agenda you clown but you certainly do, would you like reminding once AGAIN what your agenda is?
Tell me Reverend Münchhausen, do you not quote scripture at all when preaching to your " church of over 300"?
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@Tradesecret
you don't speak on behalf of Jesus.But the bible does, you idiot. The whole point of the bible is to spread HIS word. The NT revolves around Jesus , his message and his teachings, Reverend Munchhausen.It is not the whole point of the Bible.
Idiot! The belief is that without knowing the Christ and his teaching 'we' could not receive spiritual salvation. And how does one get to know the Christ, thicko? Either through his teaching via the scripture OR by the likes of you - a bible dunce - preaching how you believe the same scripture should be interpreted.
you don't speak on behalf of Jesus.And so do you with every post you make, you bible clown. Not to mention when you preach and minister to your congregation of "300" that you proudly claim to sermonise to. Where ever do you find the time!?😁I am not purporting to speak on behalf of Jesus.
But that is your "calling" you bible dunce. Don't you tell us that "god chose you"#48? WTF did he choose you for? And for someone that often claims to have been taught to "memorised the bible from very young age"#52 you always forget what the Christ himself commanded you to do; to go out and preach the gospel to all the world.
Mark 16:15 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature". <<<<THAT Reverend Munchhausen, means to speak for Jesus and on his behalf.
And only a bible dunce claiming to be a Pastor or a Chaplain with a serious memory problem could forget this:
" Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you".Matthew 28:19-20 <<<<< THAT, you bible dunce IS your mission on earth. And otherwise known as The Great Commission.
"memorise the bible" , my arse. 🤣
So tell me Reverend Münchhausen, from whence does your information come concerning the life and teaching of the Christ, if not the scriptures?
Most of what I write is in relation to the meaning of the passages using the scientific method.
But the bible isn't a scientific book is it, you clown? It is regarded only as a 'Holy book' by believers and or a history of the JEWS by others.
I am not purporting to speak on behalf of Jesus.
Tell me Reverend Münchhausen, do you not quote scripture at all when preaching to your " church of over 300"?
Or is this another one of your Münchhausen syndrome claims?
"I am a pastor of a church with over 300 people"#67
"memorise the bible" , my arse. 🤣
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@Tradesecret
@BrotherD.Thomas
Well that is interesting for another reason too, Brother. The link not only states the gender of the Reverend "Tradey" Münchhausen but the link informs us of her DOB and has it as January 1st 968. But I am reasonably sure I have read her claiming that she was born the day of the moon landing in 20 July 1969. I will have to see if I can dig it out ,just to be sure.
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@Tradesecret
you don't speak on behalf of Jesus.
But the bible does, you idiot. The whole point of the bible is to spread HIS word. The NT revolves around Jesus , his message and his teachings, Reverend Münchhausen.
Memorise the bible , my arse. 😂
you don't speak on behalf of Jesus.
And so do you with every post you make, you bible clown. Not to mention when you preach and minister to your congregation of "300" that you proudly claim to sermonise to. Where ever do you find the time!?😁
He did punish the vegetables at the flood.
But he appears to have missed at least one line vegetables.....Reverend Münchhausen. 😂
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@ the Witch
So God, a being none of you believe exists killed everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.
YOU actually need to read what has been written above, Witch. HERE>> at #57 eventuality001 wrote: "homosexuality were never, ever even once recorded to be killed because of the fact that they were homosexuals - in the Bible
I replied asking : "You have read the biblical story of Sodom & Gomorrah, I take it?"#58
Do you see that, Witch? We are talking what the fkn BIBLE has to say on the matter of the killing of homosexuals and NOT whether one believes it (OR IN GOD)to be true or not! And the fkn BIBLE does indeed record the killing of homosexual sodomisers.
Yet you're calling Christians out for the problem.
Learn to read you dunce, it is the BIBLE I was calling out!
SO> Keep your big bent hypocritic misandristic Witch's hooter out if you cannot keep up! Or would you prefer we discuss and justify your own hypocrisy and the double standards of your own comments past and present?
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@eventuality001
homosexuality were never, ever even once recorded to be killed because of the fact that they were homosexuals - in the Bible
You have read the biblical story of Sodom & Gomorrah, I take it?
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