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@BrotherD.Thomas
Since Tradesecret is a sister of Eve, this is what Jesus' inspired words think of her: “ Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." (Timothy 2:11-12). With this passage alone, Tradesecret is going against Jesus' doctrine against women in not learning her place in Christianity as being inferior to man!Another incident where Jesus' inspired words state with specificity that women are not worthy of life, and where there will be NO WOMEN in heaven: “Simon Peter said to them: Let Mariham go out from among us, for women are not worthy of the life. Jesus said: Look, I will lead her that I may make her male, in order that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who makes herself male will enter into the kingdom of heaven. (Thomas 114).
I have quoted this gnostic verse of Thomas and other misogynistic verses from scripture often to those here that have the brass balls to accuse atheists of being "hateful and misogynistic" while defending the theist and theism, Brother. #23
Gee, I wonder why the book of Thomas was not included in the JUDEO-Christian Bible? LOL!
I do wonder, but at the same time I wonder why such misogynistic verses are included and accepted and go unchallenged by those that accuse the atheist of being "hateful misogynists". Their double standards are just astounding at times, are they not, Brother?
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@Tradesecret
@BrotherD.Thomas
JESUS SAID: "And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, bring them here and slay them in front of me. After Jesus had said this, He went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem.….” ( Luke 19:26-28)1. The passage of Luke 19:26-28 is attributed to Jesus!2. The passage above is stated by Jesus showing His killing nature!3. The passage above is therefore showing Jesus as a serial killer!4. The passage above does NOT show Jesus as ever loving and forgiving, by the pure nature of what He said, period!5. Parable or not, Jesus promotes the murders of others, period!
Exactly Brother. If Christian's such as the Reverend "tradey" Munchausen weren't so backward as to have adopted an ancient megalomaniac jealous god of war that will kill and maim at the drop of an hat, that they had absolutely no understanding of, from a time they had absolutely no understanding of, and from a culture they have absolutely no understanding of and renamed him Jesus, they wouldn't have the dilemma of having to excuse the vile and abhorrent nature of the man Jesus that they also call "the one true god that existed from the beginning".
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@zedvictor4
I wonder what the Little Poly's are like?
I cannot get the image of little Witchlets on broomsticks with stabilisers out of my mind, Vic lad.
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@Tradesecret
I think there are lots of ways of demonstrating that the Bible is from God and worthy of being read by itself without the distortion of others such as the Book of Mormon, the JW's bible, and the Koran. Scripture interprets itself - it is not to be interpreted through the lens of other so called religious books which conveniently ALWAYS change the bible to mean something other than it really is.
What you accuse those "others " are doing, YOU especially, do yourself and often. You are a hypocrite and typical bible dunce that offers his own invented definitions to almost ever word of the bible to get yourself out of the tight theological corners that you often paint yourself into. Such as here:
[A] Infallible means its from God. It is a divine book.#40
No it doesn't, you idiot!.
Of course logically - having this claim does not prove per se it is divine
But you have just said it does, you clown. See [A] above.
We cannot determine whether a book is divine unless we have a divine measuring stick to measure it against.
So what is your own yardstick for measuring a book that you have claimed; "The
Bible is a book. It can't cause anything" .#3 and have told us in very contradictory terms that; "I don't think there is an undeniable proof that the bible is true." and in the same sentence state ; "As far as I am concerned however the Bible is infallible. It is inerrant. It is entirely trustworthy. It reliable".#15
the Bible is from God and worthy of being read by itself without the distortion of others
So can it be taken literally then?
I think there are lots of ways of demonstrating that the Bible is from God.
Go on then; demonstrate, Reverend Münchhausen.
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Behold another bold face lie by the master of trolls. "Many end up in prison". Not most. Read it again
I don't have to read it again. This is what you have said about atheist that "you know" .
Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33
You keep ignoring your own statements and causing me to re-post what YOU have actually wrote and who you wrote about . I shall point you to the relevant part that you are attempting to play down and deny.
You clearly say about MOST atheist that "you know" :
"Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime#33
I understand you haven't a clue what is going on in scriptures, as they have been taught to you by superior bible dunces- as much as you attempt to re-write them. But you should at least be able to understand what is CLEARY written by your own hand, Reverend Munchausen.
You do assure us:
"To be clear I own all of my words" .#54
Or are you saying that these were not your own words but someone else's'?
And let me remind you, that the person that you aspire to be like - Ethang5, has been banned for saying exactly what you are also saying and accusing "many" atheists of being;
"ethang5 has been banned for 30 days for an ongoing pattern of unwarrantedly accusing people of being pedophiles seemingly when in any heated disagreement with him".
I should think on that, Reverend Munchausen.
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@Castin
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@zedvictor4
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@zedvictor4
The Witch wrote: I have to wonder why the adults (atheists) insist on playing with what they view as children (theists) it's kind of creepy.zedvictor4 wrote: @PolyNice Jibe Poly.Sort of Ethang5ish.
Indeed, Vic. Its right up there with the vile sex pest ethang5 and the Reverend Tradesecret when the latter states:
Tradesecret wrote: Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33
And same will have us all believe that he is full of integrity and having strong moral principles.
No doubt one or another will make claims of victimhood and harassment.
Ethang5 would always result to slurs and accusations of Paedophilia when he ran out of argument.
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@Tradesecret
I never said every atheist - I said many end up in prison.
I haven't said you did. I quoted you full and in context. Your quote states "MOST" not all. Look, here it is again...
Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33
So according to you, most of the atheist that you meet you regard as "kiddie fiddlers".
You do assure us:
"To
be clear I own all of my words" .#54
Or are you saying that these were not your own words but someone else's'?
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The fact is religion has many definitions and not just one.
As much as you want it to , the word religion does not have "many definitions".
You state here that;
"I
did not choose my religion. God chose me" #48. So tell me Reverend Münchhausen, what is the definition of the word religion in this case?
Just because I have learnt and studied does not mean I have finished doing so.
I agree. But these multiple biblical schoolboy errors of yours are inexcusable for a man of the cloth whom you say "god chose" personaly#48 and that claims to " have been taught to read AND memorise the bible from a very young age and in many languages" too#52? And that was "tutored
by academics, scholars, and priests and fathers from the Orthodox
Church"#91 . That claims to be able to read the bible in many languages and translate these ancient scriptures into English#25 But you want us to believe that you have not ironed out this little biblical dilemma of inherited sin concerning Jesus?
you don't know everything
I don't know everything, I am pleased to say. What would be the point of knowing everything, Reverend Münchhausen? I just happen to know these scriptures better that you do regardless of you of you alleged scholarly education. You are a bible dunce that doesn't take too long to tie in a not of your own making.
I am able to present my doubts on subjects.
Of course you are. But the "doubts" that you express conflict with everything you profess to know and believe about the bible and god.
You say the bible is "just a book that can't cause anything", but in the next breath you will have us believe it is the reliable word of god and that god himself "uses the bible as a tool to bring about change in us#2". It hardly "just a book" if it is ram - pact with gods words that he uses himself, now is it, Reverend Münchhausen? Then you state this double speak all in the same sentence.;
"I don't think there is an undeniable proof that the bible is true. It would depend upon the measure of truth in the first place and by what measure of truth would be acceptable. As far as I am concerned however the Bible is infallible. It is inerrant. It is entirely trustworthy. It reliable. #15".
I will continue to be honest and also retain my dignity and integrity. You have lost yours a long time ago ...
Is that an idiom, or rhyming slang?
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@Tradesecret
Define the word religion.Already have.
No, is all you have done is tell us it has many definitions and even an "Australian definition" . This is not defining the word religion.
So when you are ready, define for us the word religion in the biblical /god sense.
Off you go.
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@BrotherD.Thomas
you [tradescret] continue to speak out of both sides of your mouth in your quote above! FIRST you say that you don't think there is an undeniable proof that the Bible is true, SECONDLY, you then reverse and say that the Bible is infallible, enerrant, trustworthy, and reliable which precludes the Bible is TRUE! H-E-L-L-O?
I am pleased someone else also spotted that blinding contradictory double speak from the right Reverend Munchausen , Brother.
And welcome back.
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@Tradesecret
Yes, question everything but the fact of atheism. Inconsistency and hypocrisy rocked my thoughts and led me away from such a depressing and sad and twisted viewpoint. I have experienced and talked with and studied with many of the different world religions. I have found all of them - similar in respect to Atheism. They all are pointless and devoid of life and meaning. They all have the façade of profundity yet - all fall at the first hurdle.
Well your own opinions of atheists are well documented facts about what you claim to know about most of the atheist that you have met isn't it, Reverend Münchhausen.
Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33
"kiddie fiddlers". This is clean out of the ethang5 hand book of disgusting vileness. That will be the man that you claim to aspire to be "more like" #76
Lovely, just lovely.
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@Tradesecret
Witch asked: What constitutes an organized religion.Tradsecret wrote: I would think that a set of consistent beliefs and set of rules would be necessary.
Define the word religion.
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@Tradesecret
I don't think there is an undeniable proof that the bible is true. It would depend upon the measure of truth in the first place and by what measure of truth would be acceptable.
Define truth.
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@Barnardot
You deliberately assume something so you can doge it because you just can’t argue the point that god or Jesus never heels anyone . It’s amazing when goddists get caught out they make up bigger and bigger baloney to think they can get out of the dog mess.#122
It is consistent of persons with narcissistic personality disorders that they expect everybody to take their word for anything that say and claim without the slightest piece of evidence.
Let me point out that individuals with narcissistic personality disorders often do not care who they manipulate and lie to or how much harm it may cause by lying.
Of prime importance to NPD suffers is their self aggrandizement and the propping up of their fragile egos, not the well being of their fellow men and women ,even if those men and women are upright, law abiding and that peaceful.
Also the illusion of victimhood is well buried in the Christian that has been caught on the backfoot hence s/he will try to create a few tall tales about him/herself and many in some cases (examples on request) because as many will know, people with narcissistic personality disorders don't take well to being corrected by people they see as their inferiors.
Welcome to the forum Barnadot .
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@Tradesecret
I have distinguished different definitions of religion - used depending upon who is being addressed.
You are full of shite Reverend Münchhausen.. You cannot go around changing the English language to suite the situation or as an excuse for your backpedaling. The word Religion means only thing in any language the belief in and worship of God or gods.. its the etymology simply means to bind or tie one back ( to god). You will be telling us next that Australia has its own definition for the word Religion, won't you.
Stephen wrote: You also ignored the fact that Mary was also human which by your own claim of inherited sin makes her sinful and in turn Jesus also sinful. This will be one those knots I mentioned above that you have tied yourself into.Yes, I make mistakes. No loss there, is it?
Well it is a great loss for the students that you also claim to tutor and lecture,#20 isn't it!? Not to mention your own memory lapse of scripture that you proudly tell us that you "have been taught to memorise from a very young age"#52
You make mistakes
I do. But I do not remember making any where YOU are concerned, you bible dunce.
I have never ignored the fact that Mary was and is human. Mary did inherit sin. I have said as much in the past.
Stop telling lies.
I have expressed the idea that Jesus may have inherited original sin.
Yes I had to drag that out of you too, didn't I, you bible dunce.
[ Jesus being sinful] It is a matter I am still exploring.
But don't you tell us that you have been taught to read the bible from a very young age and in many languages too#52? And only now you tell us that you are exploring it. Give us a break Reverend Münchhausen. The idea of Jesus also inheriting sin from his mother Mary had never penetrated you dense skull until I called you and your claims on it.
But with that said, explore no longer. By your own admission of inherited sin, Jesus had to have also inherited sin from his sinful mother Mary. I had to point that fact out to you to . This is why I gave you a chance to correct and rewrite this>>>
Tradesecret wrote: Ever since the fall of Adam and Eve everyone has inherited sin covenantally as soon as they are conceived. The only exception to this may be Jesus who was miraculously born from the virgin Mary .Stephen wrote: You should read what you have written there very closely, Reverend Münchhausen.#73
But what did you reply to that, you bible dunce? You wrote this>>>
Tradesecret wrote: Yes, I read it again. It looks correct to me. Every person in this world including you and me and the Pope and the Virgin Mary is sinful except Jesus. This is why Jesus' death on the cross was an acceptable sacrifice to God. #74
So on re-reading your own shite , you still said everyone was sinless except Jesus. BUT NOW you are telling us that you are "still exploring it" and that "Jesus may have inherited original sin".. Do you see what a complete and utter bible ignorant contradictory clown you are, Reverend Münchhausen
I still hold that Jesus was without sin.
Well you would. You have no fkn choice in the matter, your an indoctrinated bible dunce that is still stuck with the beliefs of your church leaders that cannot think for yourself.
The question is whether or not sin and sins are the same or how they are linked?
Ok . I'll play. Define sin?
Jesus never committed a sin.
Jesus told lies and often. Read your bible you dunce.
But does the fact that he might have had original sin - prevent him from being without sin?
It matters not, you idiot. Jesus, by your own admission, had to have inherited sin from his very human sinful mother Mary
Mary was a sinner. She sinned. She has both original sin and sinned.
Ok, tell us Reverend Münchhausen, what sin had Mary the mother of god Jesus, ever commit?
I think original sin or total depravity of sin is inherited - not by dna by the way - but covenantally.
So you keep saying. But this doesn't alter the facts according to you.
Don't mix the two up as you seem to enjoy doing.
Look you clown. YOU have said all of mankind inherited sin. Which means Mary mother of god Jesus also inherited sin. You have said VERY CLEARLY AND OFTEN that we humans all inherited sin from our original parents Adam and Eve
SEE THIS most recent>> "Ever since the fall of Adam and Eve everyone has inherited sin covenantally as soon as they are conceived".
It is you that is the one attempting to backpedal and confuse and "mix up" two ideas made up only by you.
If Jesus has inherited original sin - it was via the covenant. Not because he was the biological son of Mary.
Opinion and you cannot prove it one way or the other. But you should keep in mind what you have written yourself, thicko. The thing is with you bible dunces is that YOU especially attempt to have it all ways, as shown with your own multiple definitions of the word religion to suite and cover your own blinding bible ignorance. In my own experience only left wing libtards try to pull this kind of trick when they are shown to be wrong or just plain moronic. And I take you to be both the former and the latter.
If Jesus has inherited original sin
Make up your mind.
he [Jesus] might have had original sin
Make up your mind.
Jesus may have inherited original sin
Make up your mind , Reverend Münchhausen.
" memorise the bible" my arse. 🤣
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@Greyparrot
Who knows how many didn't make it out. Reuters guesses thousands.
What is Biden doing about those he left behind?
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@Greyparrot
Withdrawing from Afghanistan was a masterstroke.They fled the Taliban. The Taliban kicked them out on their terms and their schedule. Some masterstroke.
Invade Afghanistan, remove al-Qaeda and Taliban and then hand it back to al-Qaeda and Taliban with a bonus of $billions worth of functioning military equipment. . Indeed, some serious 'master stroke'. Whatever was Biden thinking? Have they got all those Americans left behind out of there yet?
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@Yassine
How Do You Know The Bible Is True?
We don't. It is what one chooses to believe about the bible, imo.
Although there are those that say "I
did not choose my religion God chose me #48" they can never explain how, when or why? Then, in the next breath,proclaim that;
"all religion should be abolished".#52 and to have - "never believed in religion" #52 - or even believe - "religion to be right"#60 the same also claim the bible to be the "word of god" but the same will also say "I don't think there is an undeniable proof that the bible is true"#15 thereby rendering the bible/the word of god, unreliable as being true, go figure- as the say.
Some Christians can come over as very contradictory most of the time.
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@Tradesecret
And for someone that believes that "all religion should be abolished".#52 and to have "never believed in religion" #52 or even believe "religion to be right"#60 , you certainly spout quite a lot of your own self proclaimed religious beliefs and bullshite don't you, here>> #24 here#30 here#31 here #37 and here #46 just on this one single thread alone!!!!!!!!!!!Your a contradictory clown Reverend Münchhausen.I have explained myself on religion. You just want to confuse people by quoting - me out of context as always.Nope, your anti religion statements are all there for anyone interested to see for themselves and IN CONTEXT. You are just a contradictory clown that cannot remember what you have written yourself or what others have written on your behalf.Twisting by the pool.
Well in your case Reverend Münchhausen, you have twisted yourself into knots with your own contradictory statements. One the one hand you claim that "Christianity is the ONLY true and correct religion". #48 while clearly saying "all religion should be abolished".#52 .
Ever since the fall of Adam and Eve everyone has inherited sin covenantally as soon as they are conceived. The only exception to this may be Jesus who was miraculously born from the virgin Mary .You should read what you have written there very closely, Reverend Münchhausen.Yes, I read it again. It looks correct to me. Every person in this world including you and me and the Pope and the Virgin Mary is sinful except Jesus.But wasn't Mary human? Born as you say, with "inherited sin". And Jesus wasn't " miraculously born" you bible dunce, it is only alleged that he was "miraculously conceived".Ok. see i made a mistake.
And not the first when it comes to these scriptures is it, you bible dunce? And what a novice schoolboy error for one that claims to be both a "Pastor and a Chaplain" #20, and one that also claims to have" studied and was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and
fathers from the Orthodox Church"#91, and charges universities to tutor their students in religious studies"#20 and adds further to these wild claims;
"I
have been taught to memorise the bible from very young. I have read
the bible numerous times. I try and read the OT once every year and
the NT twice a year. I know it reasonable well and can even
read Hebrew and Greek. #52. You keep opening the door Reverend Münchhausen and I will keep plowing right on through.
You also ignored the fact that Mary was also human which by your own claim of inherited sin makes her sinful and in turn Jesus also sinful. This will be one those knots I mentioned above that you have tied yourself into.
Give me God's wisdom any day of the week.Define "gods wisdom"?No.
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God the Father is not the biological father of Jesus.
I agree. Jesus is not the son of god biologically and have been saying so from the day I landed on this forum. I have submitted many times that the appellation "son of god" is merely a title, nothing more -nothing less, and this is the reason why he was crucified. Jesus was very much human, born of a human that, according to your own beliefs, was riddled with inherited sin.
You are not a mistake, despite the fact that you think you are.
I don't believe I am a mistake, you bible dunce. My point IS that god repeated his own mistakes and didn't learn fk all from them, just like you never do... and often. "memorised the bible"#52 my arse. 🤣
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@Tradesecret
The Bible is God's word.And you can prove that can you?I don't need to.
You have made the claim, Reverend Münchhausen.
It [the bible] proclaims itself as such.So self proclamation is proof of fact is it? You wouldn't get away with that claim in a court of law, now would you our resident lawyer "tradey". You do claim also be a lawyer don't you?what is the one book that has been in almost every courthouse in the West over the past 300 hundred years.
It matters not. The bible was at one time in every room in every hotel in the world, what's your point.
It is rational that God would communicate with words and put it within an objective piece of writing. The Bible is one of the few books in the world that ACTUALLY proclaims it is of divine origin.This book is just a book. It has no magic powers. It cant make anyone do anything. It doesn't have a brain or an arm to force someone. It contains words. Of course how people respond to words is on the person who is responding, isn't?
Correct. So here you make one claim and then contradict yourself with a follow-up claim.
Homosexuality in the OT and in the NT is considered sinful.That is punishable by death according to both books.As a maximum penalty - just like theft and murder and adultery and telling lies.
Well death IS the ONLY penalty for homosexual practices according to the bible. Stop trying to water it down, you clown.
Just like in Australia where you can get 20 years for stealing a loaf of bread.
Nope. You'd be very unlucky to get even probation for stealing a loaf of bread in Australia. Stop talking shite.
The Bible distinguishes between the wisdom of God and the wisdom of man.Where? Or are you making up scripture on the hoof again?I assume you are familiar with 1 Corinthians 1 and 2.
Nothing there that supports your claim. And no surprises there then.
Christ Crucified. Why would or how could someone die for someone else? How could any person represent someone else? This could never happen in our world? Could it? Christ Crucified. That God would become a man - how foolish? After all, everyone knows to do anything useful you must be powerful.. Man must become a God - with superpowers. That is wisdom - man's wisdom anyway.Christ Crucified - God humbling himself to the very creation he made. What foolishness. What stupidity.Jesus, was crucified for sedition; crimes against Rome.Nope. He was crucified because the Jews wanted him dead for blasphemy.
What the Jews may have allegedly charged Jesus with is neither here nor there. Try looking up les majesty.
The Romans didn't want to kill him but politically didn't want to cause an uprising in Israel.
Nope. Jesus was causing sedition and the claims made of him being the messiah and "king" were enough for the Romans to nail him up. You really are a dunce aren't you, Reverend Münchhausen.
Give me God's wisdom any day of the week.And you have. This will be the same god that doesn't even learn from his own fkn mistakes.If you don't make mistakes - there is nothing to learn from. You see the cross as a mistake - God saw it as success.
Then god is thicker than even you!
The Jews saw it as a victory for themselves - yet they never understood it was a mistake for them. The God of the Bible made no mistakes.
Then although you claim to have "memorised the bible" you seem oblivious to the BIBLE fact that god made quite a few mistakes that he seems far too dense to understand and realise, just like yourself.
Ever since the fall of Adam and Eve everyone has inherited sin covenantally as soon as they are conceived. The only exception to this may be Jesus who was miraculously born from the virgin Mary .You should read what you have written there very closely, Reverend Münchhausen.Yes, I read it again. It looks correct to me. Every person in this world including you and me and the Pope and the Virgin Mary is sinful except Jesus.
But wasn't Mary human? Born as you say, with "inherited sin". And Jesus wasn't " miraculously born" you bible dunce, it is only alleged that he was "miraculously conceived".
Give me God's wisdom any day of the week.
Define "gods wisdom"?
This is why Jesus' death on the cross was an acceptable sacrifice to God.
Yes some savage that god of yours. His ONLY son cried to him to be relieved of his burden and his "father" didn't even answer him. So Jesus wasn't too happy about it was he?
And for someone that believes that "all religion should be abolished".#52 and to have "never believed in religion" #52 or even believe "religion to be right"#60 , you certainly spout quite a lot of your own self proclaimed religious beliefs and bullshite don't you, here>> #24 here#30 here#31 here #37 and here #46 just on this one single thread alone!!!!!!!!!!!Your a contradictory clown Reverend Münchhausen.I have explained myself on religion. You just want to confuse people by quoting - me out of context as always.
Nope, your anti religion statements are all there for anyone interested to see for themselves and IN CONTEXT. You are just a contradictory clown that cannot remember what you have written yourself or what others have written on your behalf.
HERE>> And for someone that believes that - "all religion should be abolished".#52 - and to have "never believed in religion" #52 - or even believe -"religion to be right"#60 .
Have a good day yourself Reverend Münchhausen.
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@Tradesecret
The Bible is God's word.
And you can prove that can you?
It [the bible] proclaims itself as such.
So self proclamation is proof of fact is it? You wouldn't get away with that claim in a court of law, now would you our resident lawyer "tradey". You do claim also be a lawyer don't you?
It is rational that God would communicate with words and put it within an objective piece of writing. The Bible is one of the few books in the world that ACTUALLY proclaims it is of divine origin.
This will be the same book ( the bible) that you claim " is only a book and can't do anything"#3 . Which is full of words that are " just words and that is all they are" #45 , according to you. Not to mention the fact that it was written by human hand.
Homosexuality in the OT and in the NT is considered sinful.
That is punishable by death according to both books.
The Bible distinguishes between the wisdom of God and the wisdom of man.
Where? Or are you making up scripture on the hoof again?
Christ Crucified. Why would or how could someone die for someone else? How could any person represent someone else? This could never happen in our world? Could it? Christ Crucified. That God would become a man - how foolish? After all, everyone knows to do anything useful you must be powerful.. Man must become a God - with superpowers. That is wisdom - man's wisdom anyway.Christ Crucified - God humbling himself to the very creation he made. What foolishness. What stupidity.
Jesus, was crucified for sedition; crimes against Rome.
Give me God's wisdom any day of the week.
And you have. This will be the same god that doesn't even learn from his own fkn mistakes.
Ever since the fall of Adam and Eve everyone has inherited sin covenantally as soon as they are conceived. The only exception to this may be Jesus who was miraculously born from the virgin Mary .
You should read what you have written there very closely, Reverend Münchhausen.
And for someone that believes that "all religion should be abolished".#52 and to have "never believed in religion" #52 or even believe "religion to be right"#60 , you certainly spout quite a lot of your own self proclaimed religious beliefs and bullshite don't you, here>> #24 here#30 here#31 here #37 and here #46 just on this one single thread alone!!!!!!!!!!!
Your a contradictory clown Reverend Münchhausen.
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@Tradesecret
Of course - if you didn't understand as per usual.
What you have done with your post #33 is attempt to cover your arse and your contradiction. I simply want to know what definition you had in mind when you said all the above. its not a difficult question.
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Well, in your own example from Mathew and the mountain we are talking just a tiny amount of faith - the size of a mustard seed - that is said to enable one to move a mountain. Regardless of little things growing into big things.
Do you have enough faith to move a mountain, Wylted?
Jesus did not cure those people. Their faith cured them.
Well that is not what scripture states, is it? In fact it mentions nothing of faith when curing the leper. It simply says the man requested he be cured and "Jesus reached out his hand his and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean". So here there is direct contact. No mention of Jesus telling the man he would be cured just by having a little "faith" and he will be cured. Why not?
Same with the blind man. Jesus made contact with his by spitting first on his fingers and rubbing the mans eyes. Again, no mention of Jesus telling the man would be cured just by having a little "faith" and he will be cured. Why not?
In fact neither Matthew 8: 1 - 4, Mark 1: 40 - 45, and Luke 5: 12 - 15 mentions nothing of faith playing any part at all in these instances.
And again here. These people just brought along relatives with one disability or another and not a single mention of them not having faith or having any faith at all. Not even a tiny amount the size of a mustard seed:
Matthew 15:30 King James Version
30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:
When he brought Lazarus from the dead
Has it ever crossed your mind that these ancient stories may simply amount to nothing more that a initiation of sorts and were not "miracles " at all?
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@Wylted
Why the fuck would God heal a paraplegic?Why ever would he not? Why did Jesus only cure only a few "lepers" and not simply eradicate leprosy from the face of the earth? Why cure only a few blind men when he could have eradicated all blindness from the face of the earth?Why didn't Jesus raise his cousin and the" greatest prophet" that ever lived John the Baptist from being dead ?It's pointless.
But it obviously wasn't pointless to Jesus was it? Otherwise why bother curing these few blind and leprous individuals. He must have had a reason.
He has also said. "If one has the faith of a mustard seed, they can move mountains"
Yes he did didn't he. I wonder what that actually means.
Mother Teresa is said to have had more faith than a mustard seed but her faith or her prayers didn't save a single suffering baby in those dying rooms of Calcutta. Maybe mustard seeds in Jesus's time were the size of mountains.
Do you have enough faith to move a mountain, Wylted?
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@Tradesecret
"in written Bengali".Oral applications can be made in another language if the court is pleased or disposed to hear it.And you also once again - miss the exception - "foreign relations".
Bullshit. It clearly says it is an offence. try reading it for what it states and not for what you are begging for it to state.
"except in the case of foreign relations, in all other cases records and correspondences, laws, proceedings in court and other legal actions shall necessarily be written in Bengali, by Government offices, courts, half-official and autonomous institutions everywhere in Bangladesh.
(2) If any person puts forward an appeal or petition at any of the institutions mentioned in sub-section 3 (1), in any other language than Bengali, it will be considered as illegal".
Do you see that>>> must be written in Bengali - and for one to be able to read such "correspondence written in Bengali" one would have to be able to speak the language.
And why do you think I cannot speak Bengla? I never said I could or could not.
I have asked you if you do speak Bengla . I didn't assume one way or the other. .
YOU KEEP MISSING THIS >> I also asked you are you also now claiming to have worked as an Assistant Prosecutor with the Bangladesh for Foreign Relations? ? Yes or No? <<<<<< and you need to be very fkn careful before you answer that question.
So when you are ready Reverend Munchausen.
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@Tradesecret
Tradesecret wrote:1. On one definition - religion is a viewpoint or belief system that includes a supernatural being or principle that is used per the Australian definition.2. Another definition used is worldview - used broadly to include secular humanism as per the American understanding and all other non-Western points of view.3. Religion is also defined - as to do with orphans and widows - charitable work.4. Religion is also defined by some Christian folk as trying to earn your way to God. Christianity according to these Christians would not fall under the religion definition because salvation is a free gift of grace not something you earn.Hence, depending upon which definition you use and who you are talking to - can quite easily give you a contradictory point of view.I think each of these definitions has a practical use for religion and the context used will obviously provide how to use it.
I don't know what Castin will make of your contradictory doublespeak considering the word religion ( a Roman word)simply means 'to bind ', and the word religion is only mentioned about five times in the whole of the bible and all references are to the Jews. But OK . Just so we are clear. Keeping in mind that you/we are speaking of the Christian religion;
Which definition were YOU using when you said :
Tradesecret wrote: "I think Christianity is the ONLY true and correct religion". #48
And which definition were YOU using when you also wrote:
Tradesecret wrote: "I don't agree with religion;#60
And which definition were YOU using when you also wrote:
Tradesecret wrote: I don't think any religion is right#60
And which definition were YOU using when you also wrote:
Tradesecret wrote: I have never believed in religion.#52
And which definition were YOU using when you also wrote:
Tradesecret wrote:"Religion ought to be abolished from my point of view".#52
What religion/s do YOU believe should be abolished?
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@Wylted
Why the fuck would God heal a paraplegic?
Why ever would he not? Why did Jesus only cure only a few "lepers" and not simply eradicate leprosy from the face of the earth? Why cure only a few blind men when he could have eradicated all blindness from the face of the earth?
Why didn't Jesus raise his cousin and the" greatest prophet" that ever lived John the Baptist from being dead ?
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@Yassine
Just out of interest, which Muslim country had the USA "invaded" before 9/11?- Perhaps you've forgotten Iraq in the FIRST Gulf War?!
Nope I haven't forgotten the 1st Gulf war of 17 January 1991 .Who could ever forget the loss of Allied lives saving the lives of these innocent Arabs. This will be the war where the world seen Saddam Husain a much more powerful country invade the tiny Muslim country of Kuwait and asked for military assistance from the USA. USA stopped at the Iraqi boarder after driving them back. Thereby saving the lives of Millions of Kuwaiti Muslims.. NOPE. I didn't forget.
Add to the list, Indonesia,
Nope. No invasion there. In fact Indonesia–United States relations have been pretty solid since c 1950.
Sudan,
Nope. No invasion there either. Although the relations between these two countries may have soured when Sudan broke diplomatic relations with the U.S. in June 1967, following the outbreak of the Arab-Israeli War. Relations improved after July 1971, when the Sudanese Communist Party attempted to overthrow President Nimeiri, and Nimeiri suspected Soviet involvement. U.S. assistance for resettlement of refugees following the 1972 peace settlement with the south added further improved relations.
Chad,
Nope . No US invasion there either.
Iran,
Nope. No invasion there either. Well unless you are referring to US navel attacks on oil platforms is the Gulf.
Palestine...
The USA have never invaded Palestine. In fact The United States sought a middle way by supporting a United Nations resolution, buy encouraging negotiations between Arabs and Jews in the Middle East. And where once an accord was met via US peace talks and to the annoyance and disgust of Muslim /Arab countries around the world and only for Arafat to whisper to his Muslim brothers "remember alnajjar".. This of course was reference to the so called prophet Muhammad's two faced double dealing where he immediately went back on his words of peace .
Millions don't agree with this and I personally believe the the war criminal Tony Blair should be in prison. Millions took to the streets shouting " not in my name" against the war in Iraq.- I haven't seen any such protests.
Well of course you haven't. You are as ignorant to the mass protests against the Invasion of Iraq as you are ignorant to the fact Islam is not a religion of peace.
Here is just one example of many here in England and one among many worldwide.
UK's 'biggest peace rally'
Anti-war protesters gather on London's Embankment in February 2003.
London today became the scene for what appears to be the biggest public rally in British history. Throughout the world, millions gathered to protest at the prospect of a war in Iraq.https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/feb/15/politics.politicalnews
Now would you be so kind as to post a link to protests from around the Islamic world of millions of Muslims shouting "not in my name" after the 9/11 attacks on the West. Or any "Islamist" attack on the West.
I don't see you protesting now against Tony Blair's new shiny title.
I think the signing a petition by One Million Five Hundred Thousand is a protest of sorts. did you sign it ?
I have yet to see one single Muslim protest doing the same after a "Islamist" terror attack.- With "dig my head in the sand" attitude, I'm sure you haven't, unless you're lying of course.
Well you can always show me to be wrong. What's stopping you?
I have though seen millions of Muslims take to the streets all around the Islamic world shouting "death " to a man that simply wrote novel and now has a bounty on his head worth $millions.- Umm... did you dream that too?
Nope. One the fawn was placed on the head of Salman Rushdie by the mad Mullah in IRAN! The Islamic world exploded into chants of death to this author for simply writing a novel. strange real, that most of the backward Islamic world cannot even speak English never mind read English. Are you denying that a fatwa is still on the head of the author Salman Rushdie?
Can I take it that you have done something productive yourself and have encouraged at least one of your 2.1 billion Muslim brothers to sign one of the petitions against the war criminal Blair's award? 1.1 million people had signed the last time I looked.- How about you,
Yes I was among the first couple of hundred. How about yourself and any of your 2 billion Muslim brothers.
The point of my thread is the denials by many Muslims that Islam promotes conversion by the sword, when it clearly does at the cost of young Muslim lives.- This nonsense is the only way you can numb your guilt of association
Not in my name, Yassine. And I do feel a sad about the illegal Iraqi war. But it was out of my hands, just as the the attacks by Muslim fanatics is out of yours; well at least I would like to believe that of you.
And you ignoring stone cold facts by pretending that the Quran and Islam promotes Jihad by the sword by the order of Allah and the so called prophet.. Do you fell any guilt?
And you have been very selective with you analysis of western foreign policy. You totally ignore the intervention in Kosovo where the west (rightly) saved the
lives of countless Muslims from Serbian ethnic cleansing. Your skewed take on of the first Gulf War where, thanks to US-led intervention,
Kuwaitis were spared the horrors of a protracted Iraqi occupation is absolute bullshit.
Your lambasting of the west for supporting Arab dictators, forgetting that many
such leaders (i.e. Assad) thrive instead on Russian and Chinese
support. But to acknowledge such complexity would be far too
problematic for you. I have yet to see you complain about the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.. That too is problematic for you too isn't it.
And wasn't Afghanistan a peaceful Buddhist country before YOU invaded it?
Go way Yassine. Your barbaric ideology is stuck in the 7th century and you cannot reform it even if you wanted to, so are compelled to support it
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@Tradesecret
I wasn't talking to you.
but am talking to you.
You appear to have missed the question Reverend Munchausen.
Tradesecret wrote: I fight against Atheism and its lies and deceptions#14
What have atheists to lie or deceive about?
You have said;
Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33#32 And Atheism is one of the most arrogant positions I have come across - it is not dissimilar to the Leftwing progressive position.
I wonder how these airheaded, drug addled, suicidal, gay and lesbian child molesting convicts ever have time to consider the Bible or religion never mind lie and deceive anyone about it. Can you explain?
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@RM
From Dr John Campbell and his Freedom Of Information Request
Freedom of information revelation
Office of National Statistics. Since first lockdown (UK) 17,371
So regardless of what you believe of Farage those ONS figures have not been denied by anyone or any public office and are available to view for yourself.
Stop posting to me while you have me on block!
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Please stop posting to me while you have me on block.
And regardless of what you believe of Farage those ONS figures have not been denied by anyone or any public office and are available to view for yourself.
ONS figures on " how many people have died purely of Covid"? ...............from the Office of National Statistics. Since first lockdown (UK) 17,371 #30
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@Tradesecret
Bangladesh is not a fundamentalist Islam nation.
And nowhere have I said it is, you clown. IN FACT I said Bangladesh has a secular constitution. Although it national religion is Islam. Stop your bullshite.
I repeat I never claimed to know everything about the legal system in Bangladesh.
And I said following your claims to be an appointed Assistant Prosecutor with the Bangladesh Court".#34. That you would have had to be trained in the Bangladeshi justice system and would have had to have been able to speak Bangal. SEE A BELOW and stop your bullshite.
Even a cursory reading of your link to the law does not change my view. They refer to written language not oral language.
I don't care what you think about the link. The link shows you to be totally wrong in your claim;
HERE>
Tradesecret wrote: Bangladesh law is historically based on the Common Law being a former colony. Many people speak English especially in the courts.#37
You are a liar! Reverend Munchausen
Read this slowly.
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Sharia courts aside( Bangladesh is an Islamic country) you appear to have completely missed the FACT the Bengali Language Implementation Act 1987 requires all the courts of Bangladesh to use only Bangla as its official or working language. The act does not make any exception for the Supreme Court of Bangladesh. And all the applications and appeals filed in any other language other than Bangla are illegal, null and void.
And you also omitted to note it specified an exemption - foreign relations. Not that you would have picked it up.
Oh I picked up on that alright . But are you now also claiming to have worked as an Assistant Prosecutor with the Bangladesh for Foreign Relations? ? Yes or No?#21
In any event - even if the law is EXACTLY as you say it was -
It it not me that his showing you to be the fkn bare faced liar that you are. It is the facts. You claim one thing according to Bangladeshi law when the Bengali Language Implementation Act 1987 shows you not only to be totally wrong , but also to be a bare faced liar.
I have no reason to lie about this - not one.
I haven't accused you of lying about anyone else but yourself.
This is actually all about you Stephen.
Nope. You made it about yourself, you idiot. I haven't made all those claims about you. I didn't ask you if you were a Lawyer, I didn't ask you if you were a Pastor or a Chaplain to your countries Defence Force. I didn't ask you if your worked in a bank, or tutored students in universities. I didn't ask you to tell us who you were tutored and trained under in so many ancient languages that you have freely claimed that you have been. And neither did I ask you if your were a Assistant Prosecuting lawyer in the Bangladeshi courts . YOU did that all on your own accord. SEE HERE:
Definition of of one's own accord
—used to indicate that someone does something because he or she wants to, not because someone has asked the person or forced him or her to do it.
You are the one on trial here. Not me. You are the creep who wants to know everything about me.
"On trial"🤣 I didn't want to know anything at all about you. You handed it on a plate to the www, you idiot.
You put yourself under the microscope, with all of your wild claims about yourself. The more claims you made the more I looked.
You are the creep who wants to discredit every thing I say.
You discredit yourself with every single new claim..... about yourself, Reverend Munchausen
I will now ask you nicely - please stop talking about me or repeating my words.
I thought you said appreciated me quoting you and thanked me for doing so.. And you have made it clear many times that you "own all your own words and are proud of them ". It appears now that you have regrets and want to distance yourself from these wild claims.
Then simple do not give me genuine cause to do so. I have told you, you invite me to do so and gave you a perfect example of you inviting me to do so HERE>>#415.
You are the clown defence lawyer that keeps opening the door for the prosecution; something no real lawyer would ever do.
I will repeat and remind you of the claims you made in the past every time that you make claims to the contrary to what you say in the present. And when you have the audacity to accuse others of double standards, hypocrisy or telling lies.
I have said it before and I will repeat it. You are a fkn fraud, Reverend Munchausen.
And I believe that Castin is hoping for a genuine response from you;>>>>>#21 It is all to do with even more contradictions thrown up by YOU!.
We all know that you have a pure hatred of atheists, all very Ethangesque if you ask me. But it does have your name on it, Reverend Munchausen .
Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33#32 And Atheism is one of the most arrogant positions I have come across - it is not dissimilar to the Leftwing progressive position.
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@Tradesecret
When I was there - it was not sharia law.
Stop telling lies. Shariah has been practiced there in Bangladesh since its independence. And I did say - shariah aside. Keep digging.
In fact Bangladesh was considered a secular Islam country.
It may well "consider itself to be " and that is because it has a secular constitution. BUT Islam was made the official religion of Bangladesh in a 1988 constitutional amendment.. and it does practice sharia. and marriage, divorce, alimony and property inheritance are regulated by Sharia for Muslims. The Muslim Personal Law (Shariat) Application Act, 1937 (XXVI of 1937) applies to Muslims in all matters relating to family affairs. Do you see that date, dummy.
That is why I said and clearly wrote "shariah aside" you are just far to dumb and stupid to have understood why I pointed that out FIRST.
Keep digging Reverend Munchausen.
Also I never claimed to be fully versed in the Bangladesh legal system.
You would have had to have been you clown , to hold such a high position, or have you forgot that you claimed "I was appointed as an Assistant Prosecutor with the Bangladesh Court".#34. You are full of shite.
Keep digging Reverend Munchausen.
Bangladesh law is historically based on the Common Law being a former colony. Many people speak English especially in the courts.
Sorry but you are wrong AGAIN and bullshiting, AGAIN!
Sharia courts aside( Bangladesh is an Islamic country) you appear to have completely missed the FACT the Bengali Language Implementation Act 1987 requires all the courts of Bangladesh to use only Bangla as its official or working language. The act does not make any exception for the Supreme Court of Bangladesh. And all the applications and appeals filed in any other language other than Bangla are illegal, null and void.
You really should do your homework before posting your claims Reverend Munchausen.
Here endeth the lesson. Off you go now.
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@Tradesecret
I fight against Atheism and its lies and deceptions
What do have atheists have to lie or deceive about? Keeping in mind that most of the atheist that you tell us that you meet :
Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33#32 And Atheism is one of the most arrogant positions I have come across - it is not dissimilar to the Leftwing progressive position.
I wonder how these airheaded, drug addled, suicidal, gay and lesbian child molesting convicts ever have time to consider the Bible or religion never mind lie and deceive anyone about it.
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@Tradesecret
Did I mention that I was appointed as an Assistant Prosecutor with the Bangladesh Court?No you didn't. And I find that particularly interesting considering that you ARE also a defence lawyer in the English speaking country of Australia. And you would have had to ALSO have been also able to speak the Bengali language, the national language of Bangladesh. This is not to mention the fact that you would ALSO have had to have studied Bangladeshi law.So please you just keep em coming Reverend Munchausen.Don't forget a lawyer working for DHHS is a prosecutor.
That'll be DHHS ( Department of Health and Human Services) https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/? So? That will be an English speaking lawyer practicing in English in the English country of Australia. And irrelevant to your bullshite claims of being fully trained in the Bangladeshi Judicial System and qualified and fully versed in the Bengala language.. Keep digging.
Bangladesh law is historically based on the Common Law being a former colony. Many people speak English especially in the courts.
Sorry but you are wrong AGAIN and bullshiting, AGAIN!
Sharia courts aside( Bangladesh is an Islamic country) you appear to have completely missed the FACT the Bengali Language Implementation Act 1987 requires all the courts of Bangladesh to use only Bangla as its official or working language. The act does not make any exception for the Supreme Court of Bangladesh. And all the applications and appeals filed in any other language other than Bangla are illegal, null and void.
You really should do your homework before posting your claims Reverend Munchausen.
I reckon you would be surprised to know that Bangladesh has a significant number of female lawyers as well.
No I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised. And irrelevant to your invented bullshite claims of being a practicing Assistant Prosecuting lawyer in the Bangladeshi.
And as I said - I have not even told you very much about myself at all.
You just love being clouted with your own stick, don't you Reverend Munchausen..
If this is you not telling "very much about yourself " I don't know what is:
How many languages do I speak?
One, is my guess. Regardless of the multilingual tongue you claim to possess.
Yet you came here gloating and preening and parading all of your alleged qualifications, titles and accreditations claiming "most families are to stupid" and in pure Ethangesque fashion you accusing most the atheist that you meet of being "kiddie fiddlers".
Most atheists I know are impractical and airhead. Many end up in prison, for theft and sex related crimes, mostly kiddie crime. Many commit suicide and or are on drugs and alcohol. Not too many get married, or if they do - are on to their 4 or 4th marriage. Many are gay or lesbian. #33#32 And Atheism is one of the most arrogant positions I have come across - it is not dissimilar to the Leftwing progressive position.
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@Lunar108
The point of my thread is the denials by many Muslims that Islam promotes conversion by the sword, when it clearly does at the cost of young Muslim lives.
He told worshippers: “Whose power is more powerful than us? Allah is more powerful than you. You, idiots. You kuffar (non-believers)… The non-believer is an idiot. He’s stupid.”He went on: “Jihad, jihad, jihad. Jihad is compulsory. Jihad is fighting by sword. That means this jihad is compulsory upon you, not jihad is the word of mouth but jihad will remain compulsory until the Day of Resurrection…”And he lost two sons fighting Allahs' "holy war".
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@Yassine
Yassine, As terrible and disgusting as these child slayings are, they were not "sacrificed" to further the cause of religion or in the name of Jesus were they? And it appears from your links that all of these mothers are facing justice in the courts..... in the west. Who in the Islamic world is holding to account those horrible bastards that strap a suicide vest to a child and stand at a distance to watch as his little bones, flesh and organs splatter and fly in all directions ?
Your desperate attempts to contextualise a barbaric 7th century ideology followed and adhered to by billions with western mothers committing infanticide doesn't fly.
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@Yassine
Abubaker Deghayes rolled out that old excuse saying he was only explaining the meaning of Jihad by the sword as" self-defence ".- He messed up when he said "for self-defense", he should've said "for invasion".
Just out of interest, which Muslim country had the USA "invaded" before 9/11?
He would've been awarded a knighthood like the war criminal Tony Blair.
Millions don't agree with this and I personally believe the the war criminal Tony Blair should be in prison. Millions took to the streets shouting " not in my name" against the war in Iraq. I have yet to see one single Muslim protest doing the same after a "Islamist" terror attack. I have though seen millions of Muslims take to the streets all around the Islamic world shouting "death " to a man that simply wrote novel and now has a bounty on his head worth $millions.
Can I take it that you have done something productive yourself and have encouraged at least one of your 2.1 billion Muslim brothers to sign one of the petitions against the war criminal Blair's award? 1.1 million people had signed the last time I looked.
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@Lemming
I should know better, than to talk of religion with you.
Probably. But all forums are to and extent 'ride at your own risk' , in my opinion.
Nope. I just corrected you on your assumption. Don't take it so personal.Nah, I shall.
And you have the brass bollocks to call me pedantic! 😂
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@Lemming
Nope. I just corrected you on your assumption. Don't take it so personal.
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@Lemming
So you're of the opinion that 'all Muslims and the religion of Islam support child bombers?
Nope. You wrote:
"And I'm assuming modern day Muslims don't sacrifice their children".
I have simply shown your assumption to be wrong.
And you won't find a single post of mine where I have ever used the words or phrase "all Muslims" in the context that I believe ALL Muslims piss in the same pot, either..
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@Lemming
And I'm assuming modern day Muslims don't sacrifice their children, as a regular practice.
Then you don't know much do you Lemming?
But then you also admit to being " unfamiliar with Islam," #41
"How the Taliban groom child suicide bombers".
Terror attacks : The inhumane use of children as suicide bombers.
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What defines a "false" religion? Other than personal bias.
A+1
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@Castin
Pretty old posts. But they do appear to present something of a contradiction.
They are as new as the day they were posted unless there has been a change in stance.
Maybe Trade can clarify for us.
Maybe. But doubtful.
Although Paul was considered by some to have been "Gnostic".Doesn't seem like a strong hypothesis. I don't see much Gnostic influence in the Pauline epistles.
In Paul's work the word "mystery" appears no less than 17 times yet only a handful of times elsewhere in the NT. And the epiphany that he claims to have undergone is clearly some sort of an initiation into one of these mystery schools of the age, of which there were many. He claims to have been "caught up" [initiated ]into one "heaven" or another where he heard "unspeakable words, which it is unlawful for man to utter" 2 Corinthians 12:4. And there are some modern scholars that are inclined to think that Paul may have "been privy to some kind of secret knowledge".
Paul claims to have knowledge of "the mystery of Christ", the "mystery of the Christ and the church", the ""mystery of the gospel" and the "mystery of god and the Christ".
Does this make Paul a gnostic?
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@Castin
What separates a false Gnostic from a "true" Gnostic in your view?
Nothing in my View. They both consider themselves to be "true". And no different to the "true" Christian that claims that their religion is the "only true religion".
"I
think Christianity is the ONLY true and correct religion". #48
But then say:
"I don't agree with religion;#60 "I have never believed in religion. Religion ought to be abolished from my point of view".#52 (except his own can we presume?)
Although Paul was considered by some to have been "Gnostic".
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