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@fauxlaw
Savior and redeemer of what and from what?Savior of man from perpetual death following mortality by resurrection to life everlasting in perfect bodies, and redeemed from the influence of evil forever more, conditional on keeping the commandments of God.
What a shame your all powerful god didn't think of doing this way back in the garden of Eden, isn't it, High Priest? Think of all the mindless slaughter he wouldn't have had to command us mere mortals to commit on his command for "his name sake" over the last billion years?
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@Timid8967
I have asked fauxlaw a question. Let him answer first. He knows what a traditional christian is as I suspect most others do.
But I have simply asked you to define a "traditional Christian"? You see, I haven't forgot that you have dismissed the bible after just one reading. So I will remind you that Jesus himself not once in the bible even mentions the words - Christian or Christianity and neither do a single one of the four gospels? They were Jews you see.
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Heard it all before.- Exactly! It means nothing to you.
Oh but it does. It means that Islam is still on its mission to covert the world and by the sword/ bomb or beheading in broad daylight, if necessary. That is what I find so disturbing. And it appears to me the you - the so called - House of Peace - also welcomes this.
- Since that's such an obvious fact, let's debate it.
Nothing to debate. You have already admitted that it is an "obvious fact" that both religions have indiscriminate and unjust violence and murder under their belts. What you should, or could be concentrating on is how you can contribute to reforming your violent religion in the 21st century. But Islam cannot be reformed can it? It cannot turn from violence "until all religion is for Allah", can it? Those are the instructions that come from the god of Islam.
The Old Testament is part of the Christian Bible; a Christian who denies that is a heretic.
That's my point you idiot! I have said to you twice now!!that the mistake of Christians is that they adopted a god they didn't understand , from a time they don't understand and a culture they didn't and still do not understand. SEE third sentence after your quote, take the time to read it>>>>
Stephen wrote; "In the case of the Christians it is their own fault for adopting a god they didn't understand and knew absolutely nothing about, from a time they didn't understand and a culture that they didn't understand".
But, no country can sustain its hegemony while causing so much damage & so much death around the world.
Which includes Middle Eastern factions that want to wipe each other from the face of the earth because Sunni believes different to the Sh`ite. Very disturbing, indeed, for one MUSLIM faction or another. Point is, Islam is no fkn different in that there are also to be found divisions that have been created in the Christian camp.
Like I have said, I have heard all these type of bullshite apologetics from Muslims before as I have heard similar apologetics from Christians that attempt to defend the murderous orders to slaughter, rape, rob and enslave from the god that they adopted.- I'm confused.
One will find much confusion in those that believe in a supernatural events such as a being that can "fly to the moon on a donkey and split it in half"< Muslim . OR donkey that speaks with the "voice of god".< Christian.
You will be hard pushed to find a verse in the New Testament where the Christ himself orders the death of people that do not believe in him.- "Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword. I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law." Matthew 10:34-35 "But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.” Luke 19:27. “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” (to a Canaanite woman asking Jesus for help) Matthew 15:26. It is indeed ironic how Jesus (pbuh) is portrayed in the Bible, confused & self-contradicted. Sometimes kind, sometimes a bigot, sometimes forgiving, sometimes vengeful; in contrast to how he is portrayed in our tradition, an example for compassion & austerity. These stories are clearly made up about Jesus (pbuh) to fit the authors' whims & agendas.
Well done , very good.
NOW SEE bold above and stop ignoring it.
You are forgetting who is supposed to be saying these words and who the -I - is. This is supposedly a god speaking about what HE has come for, what what HE intends .
Your verses are not clear outright instructions to HIS flowerers from HIM, to go out into the world and rape, murder, rob and enslave anyone that doesn't believe in HIM/ GOD , i.e he is saying that HE god , god alone, is the judge of mankind and not for man to judge. Unlike the vile and direct instructions given by the god of ISLAM to his adherents.
I will certainly grant you that your chosen biblical verses above do go against and contradict other statements that HE- the Christian god is also supposed to have said. Such is nature of the bible. That is also why I have also said to you, if you have taken the time to read :>>>>>
Stephen wrote; "I will say one thing for the Quran and that is: as vile and violent and intolerant as it is, it means exactly what it says and is true to itself"......
.....whereas the Christian New Testament is on the surface a jumble of ambiguous, anomalous and contradictory half stories that Christians so hopelessly attempt to explain and defend. Give them a few tough questions and LIKE YOU, they will say all kinds of lying shite in an attempt to defend the indefensible.
Are you a Christian or are you not?
I am irreligious, and this stance no doubt, places me on Allah's list of the condemned, Yassine.
FKN YYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWN- Exactly how I feel every time I read your posts.
Then simply don't fkn read them, you clown.
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@Timid8967
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@Timid8967
So this is in contrast to what traditional Christians would say is true.
Define a "traditional Christian " for us. And what is it they " say is true"?
I think that you have provided several contrasts to Christianity
But haven't you made it clear often that ;
#36: Most people interpret the bible the same way.
where as now you have pointed out yourself the "contrasts " and that they clearly do not?
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@Timid8967
edited to delete everything I wrote.
I certainly will not.
I will use and post your own quotes where necessary and appropriate to do so.
I refuse to engage with you from this time forth
And let us not forget that you said that, eh..
And I have never demanded that you do engage with me.. and I certainly have never asked you to engage me with this despicable utter filth either:
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@oromagi
I suspect you[fauxlaw] might be able to address this question with the most authority.
Well, he is a "high priest".
Relative to the Priesthood I hold, it is not a matter of what I consider. I am an ordained High Priest.
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@Timid8967
Please do not use this as a slanging board against the LDS
And please, let us not forget that it was you said that.
Or forget this;
Dimtimtim wrote: Most people interpret the bible the same way. This way people can understand each other and when contradictions arise which they do - then they all sit down together and agree that this is what it is saying - even when it is contradicting itself............
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@Timid8967
I suppose I must be making it all up.
YEP!
I have only ever complained that I have been banned unfairly. Yet , if I recall correctly, it is you that had done all the complaining and whining and whinging and played victim of bullying and trolling and harassment, SINCE ALMOST DAY ONE.
Would you like reminding, princess?
Here you are then.
BOO FKN HOO
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@Yassine
- Are you insane?!!
Nope.
Your country lays waste to entire nations killing millions for much less.
Heard it all before.
Christians where as bad and ruthless as Muslims ever were and millions of Muslims still are. If they are not taking part in this indiscriminate murder, many support the actions of those that do.
I was just reading on the hundreds of native children in church graveyards in Canada who were kidnapped by the Church from their parents to "civilize" them & to wipe out their history. Such sad events.
Yes extremely sad and shameful. As is burning people alive in cages just few years ago.
And if you haven't brought that good ol' SB excuse of "Muslims only acting in self defence"; the crusades were the result of MUSLIM invasion into the holy land.
You can play this bs tit-for -tat argument all day long. It doesn't alter that fact the Islam is not a religion of peace. Or the fact that the Old Testament (written for the Hebrew and Israelite audience) and its god in particular starts with killing almost from the time of creation and the murder and slaughter of the innocent on this gods commands doesn't stop after that.
You will be hard pushed to find a verse in the New Testament where the Christ himself orders the death of people that do not believe in him.
Quran
9:29 - Fight
those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and
who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made
unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who
were given
the Scripture –
[fight] until they give the jizyah (jizyah = tax levied by Muslim on non- - believers or be killed on refusal to
pay willingly
while they are humbled.
Like I have said, I have heard all these type of bullshite apologetics from Muslims before as I have heard similar apologetics from Christians that attempt to defend the murderous orders to slaughter, rape, rob and enslave from the god that they adopted.
Yet, more than 50% of wars & deaths across history were instigated by Christians & westerners,.............................
FKN YYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWN
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@Timid8967
What can you, as a claimed "non theist", know that which the irreligious and the non believing atheist does not know?Start a thread and lets here it?Why would you care?You don't have any opinions.
So you spout off that silly mouth of yours about what you say others do not understand and " have no conception of" yet come up nil, when pressed for explanations for your own stupid empty comments. And I have plenty of opinions.
Stephen - he who does not have a position - who is the one who fights tooth and nails and winges and complains and attacks the person.
NOPE. Who are you saying I have "attacked", `new ` boy, YOU?
I have only ever complained that I have been banned unfairly. Yet , if I recall correctly, it is you that had done all the complaining and whining and whinging and played victim of bullying and trolling and harassment, SINCE ALMOST DAY ONE.
Would you like reminding, princess?
Here you are then.
You won't find a single comment of mine that suggests any of the above, princess. NO, all of the complaining has been coming from you and that other idiot the Reverend.
I notice you are in discussion with one of your other personalities at the moment. Must be odd commenting and then replying to yourself.
But I suppose its the only type of conversation someone like you, with your condition can ever actually have.
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@Timid8967
A non-theist is someone who not only does not believe in god, but has a positive position to put forward.
Positive about what? Positive in what way?
They know where we come from.
Where, do you believe we come from?
We know why we are here.
Where is that,exactly? I am at home and know my life will end in death.
And we know what the end of life is.
So do children, it is death. Or do you have other plans as a non theist?
An atheist has no conception about these things
You are speaking collective I take it.
What can you, as a claimed "non theist", know that which the irreligious and the non believing atheist does not know?
Start a thread and lets here it?
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@zedvictor4
And all the Muslims that I know, just want to chat about the same things that I want to chat about.
Many Muslim that I speak to tell me that they want to leave Islam but are terrified. Two I know converted to Christianity and have had to leave there homes after repeated attacks.
Other Muslims think that I am the scum of the earth, while others don't give two fks about their religion or anyone else's.
Same old same old, Vic lad, same old, same old.
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@Yassine
This is not to mention all the Muslim atrocities committed by MUSLIMS over a THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE there was ever a British Empire or a United Sates of America.- You mean to say CHRISTIANS.
NOPE!. I mean MUSLIMS and well before a British Empire or the USA was even thought of.
Yassine, you are no better than those demented fundamental Christians that believe that their god can do no wrong and is perfect in every way when both the bible and the Quran clearly prove for themselves and anyone that cares to read them, that your gods are anything but.
In the case of the Christians it is their own fault for adopting a god they didn't understand and knew absolutely nothing about, from a time they didn't understand and a culture that they didn't understand.
I will say one thing for the Quran and that is: as vile and violent and intolerant as it is, it means exactly what it says and is true to itself.
Christianity, thankfully,went through a reformation, but the Abrahamic roots are still there and have been clung to, to be highlighted and argued about for eternity.
There seems to have been an attempted breakaway from the OT and the god of the Jews at one time and I believe one can see this in Johns (the forth) gospel where John apparently is constantly referring to "the Jews" as if he was not a Jew himself and wanted no part of the Jew ideology/religion.
Anyway. I have heard the likes of all of your shite before as I have the attempted justification of the cruelty and unjustness of the Christian god that they now call Jesus the Christ..
Christianity has extremely violent roots . Islam has extremely violent roots, an extremally violent past and extremely violent present. And I have already sad, that it is Muslims that are the biggest victims of Islam.
I mean, murder because of a cartoon!!? A fatwa for writing a novel!!! When the fk are you lot going to decide drag yourselves and you mentality into the 21st century?
How much is the head of the novelist Salman Rushdie worth now? £3 million if murdered my an Iranian Muslim?
Yes, that really sells your violent ideology as the "religion of peace" , doesn't it?
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@Yassine
You keep cutting things out of context.... You seem to be so keen on cutting verse out of context
Just as expected. You are taking the same default position as Christians do when the ancient vile ancient verses of the bible are highlighted. But if there is one thing Christianity has going for it, it is and was, it's willingness to reform. Islam on the other hand has no such intentions.
I feel sorry for Muslims. They are the biggest victims of Islam.
It is so shocking to me how completely disassociated Americans are with the rest of the world, how utterly they are desensitized about the much suffering & damage their country causes around the world. The death toll of the US's war in terror (over 1.2 million, & millions displaced) is 300 times that of 9/11. I guess one American life is worth 300 Muslim lives. No state can sustain its dominion while causing so much destruction & inciting so much antagonism around the world.
Heard it all before. You are forgetting the biggest empire in the world was Islamic, and I do not believe that those countries that MUSLIMS invaded were invited to do so by the local populations to overthrow them. How many was it now, Five Muslim empires?
You are being is very selective with your analysis of western foreign policy too. You have ignored the intervention in Kosovo where the west (rightly) saved the
lives of countless Muslims from Serbian ethnic cleansing.
You mention nothing of the first Gulf War where, thanks to US-led intervention,
Kuwaitis were spared the horrors of a protracted Iraqi occupation. But for you to to acknowledge such complexity would be far too
problematic for you. Why spoil a good narrative after all. Why let the facts get in the way of a good whine and whinge.
Who
invaded Coptic Egypt lands and killed millions of Copts to become
Arab majority? Who invaded Iraq which was Assyrian Christian and
killed millions to become Arab majority?
Who invaded Syria to kill
Syriac Orthodox to become Arab majority? Who invaded Constantinople
and wiped out millions of native Byzantines to become Turkish
majority?
Who was Timur Lung who killed 20 million
Christians,Buddhists and Shias?
Who
invaded Persia through the sword and killed millions to convert
Zoroastrians to Sunni Islam?
Who reconquered Sunni Persia and killed
millions to convert them to Sharia Islam?
Who invaded Afghanistan and
killed and drove out the Buddhists?
Who killed 1 million in East
Timor during the Indonesian occupation?
Who killed 2 million Sudanese
Christians? And who is committing terrorism in
Russia,China,India,Phillipines,Nigeria,Kenya,Western world and the
entire Middle East?
And
btw...who was committing the genocide of Yazidis? The Christians
already chased out of Iraq and Syria by Muslims and lost their homes.
Also there were 25% of Christians in Bethlehem. Today under Abbas,
the Christians had already shrink down to 4%. Same thing happened in
Gaza. Christians were persecuted in Gaza and only in Israel are they
protected. Christians are in the minority in Palestine now. How does
Christians able to give independence to Chechyna and Palestine? It is
a laughing stock when Christians were so persecuted and such a
minority in Bethlehem, they can give independence to anyone.
This
is not to mention all the Muslim atrocities committed by MUSLIMS over
a THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE there was ever a British Empire or a United Sates of America.
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@Tradesecret
More failed backpaddling. You are just as bad as as your old pal Ethang5 that you wish and aspire to be like. I can tell you, you are well on the way to achieving your aspirations. Your not quite as dumb as he at the moment.
Trade secret wrote:Ethang5 is a good friend of mine. I have know him for a significant period of time. And if you think we are like each other, that is a huge compliment for me. If I could be more like him, I would" . #76 https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/5359-a-fallen-fine-tuned-universe
-->@Tradesecretwrote; I don’t actually agree with the death penalty at this time.Stephen wrote: So are you saying that you disagree with god and his own decree that homosexuals should be put to death?-->@Tradesecretwrote; I don’t disagree with God. What a dumb thing to say .
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ says it all, Reverend. Keep wriggling.
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@Tradesecret
Do you think that the modern state is the same as the OT state of Israel? If you agree that it is not., then you agree with me that there is no contradiction.
The thread is about the death penalty commanded by the god of the Old Testament bible FOR HOMOSEXUALS, that you admit to agreeing with. The thread in not about, the "modern state of Israel" STOP TRYING TO MOVE THE GOAL POSTS.
The CHRIST, god of the Christians, said he had "not come to change the law"Matthew 5:17 .
Christians follow and believe the word of JESUS the Christ, THIER'S AND YOUR'S GOD!!!.
You claim to be a qualified Pastor and a Chaplain to your countries defence forces.#20 YOU claim too to have " studied and was tutored by academics, scholars, and priests and
fathers from the Orthodox Church". #91 This is not to mention that you have told us "I
study the original languages, translate them to English, #25,
SO WITH ALL OF THIS ALLGED PEDIGREE under you cassock are you now saying that you do not agree with the Christ, god of the Christians?
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@Tradesecret
I really could care two hoots......................
You tagged and inverted him over.Not me. Marvelous how he was there in a matter of minutes.
You tell us on one hand that you do not agree with the death penalty. THEN ON THE OTHER you tell us that YOU DO AGREE with god on the death penalty for Homosexuals .. You can't get away with it , Reverend. SO keep wriggling :
-->@Tradesecretwrote; I don’t actually agree with the death penalty at this time.Stephen wrote: So are you saying that you disagree with god and his own decree that homosexuals should be put to death?-->@Tradesecretwrote; I don’t disagree with God. What a dumb thing to say .
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ says it all, Reverend. Keep wriggling.
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@Tradesecret
Timid, stephen tells me that you are an idiot.
Yes, a contradictory idiot just like yourself. I find it amazing that there are idiots here that go out of their way to make it clear that they wish to be like one another.
Yes!!! You once told us that you would like to be like that other idiot Ethang and that"if you could you would" #76 . The idiot Dimtim after reading only a few of your posts says that he is " honoured to be ` mistaken `" for you. #243 I suppose that you would rather be any of them,............. if you're not already. You really need to keep an eye on those times lapses.
You see dimtim, "wishes" that I "was more agreeable with the bible" ? #25 ?
But what he forgets is that he insists that he doesn't believe the bible himself and that it should be committed to the flames and totally destroyed HERE> #8 & HERE>#14
. But I am expecting some serious backpaddling on this issue in the very near future. I say this because he is beginning to understand how stupid he was to have made that statement.
Can you explain why it is that this clown dimtim would "wish" me to be "more agreeable" with a book that he doesn't even believe in himself? #18 and wishes to see destroyed by fire"?
keeping in mind that you are also speaking about a man that says:
And that " all religion, should be stamped out"#153
And that the Myth of Christ should be cancelled#18
So when you are tired of playing the role of others, maybe you can explain dimtims' MASSIVE!! contradiction for us.
Off you go.
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@TheUnderdog
I have heard some bad things about Islam like if you leave Islam, you get put to death. Other than that I don't know too much about Islam.
Islam is not a religion of peace. Its mission is to convert the whole world to Islam- "until all of religion, all of it, is for Allah" Quran 8:39, and by the sword if necessary and to place everyone in submission to god/Allah.
Jihad IS part of Islam. And there is no "moderate" Islam, as Turkey's Muslim PM Erdogan put it;
""These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that's it."
Islam divides the world into two main parts. The House of Peace and the House of War. Islam believes itself to be the House of Peace. So that leaves the House of War , who then does Islam believe represents the House of War?
Simply not believing in Allah and his self appointed so called prophet is to "cause corruption/ mischief".
Quran 5:33 – unless,
those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon
earth [to cause] corruption/mischief is none but that they be killed
or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite
sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a
disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great
punishment.
Quran 3:56 - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran 3:151 - "We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers."
Quran 4:89 - "They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper".
Quran 51 - "You, who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you " then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people".
Quran 8:12 - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them".
Quran 8:39. - And fight them and slaughter them until there is no fitnah (unrest or rebellion) and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is seeing of what they do.
Quran 8:60 - And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged.
Surah 9:5 - "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, confine them, and lie in wait for them in every place of ambush".
And before anyone suggests it. I am not saying that ALL MUSLIMS are fanatics or terrorists. But considering that it only takes a novel written or a cartoon drawn to upset the Muslim world that will demand the head of anyone committing "blasphemy" , in my opinion, I think Muslims themselves need to have a rethink about what they believe and preach to their own children in the 21st century.
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@Tradesecret
Do you honestly think if you keep repeating lies it will make it true?
No. But I believe that you do. Highlighting your own clear contradiction/s is not telling lies, Reverend.
“At this time” means something. It qualifies my statement.
Again what "it qualifies" is irrelevant, Reverend. You tell us on one hand that you do not agree with the death penalty. THEN ON THE OTHER you tell us that YOU DO AGREE with god on the death penalty for Homosexuals .. You can't get away with it , Reverend. SO keep wriggling :
-->@Tradesecretwrote; I don’t actually agree with the death penalty at this time.Stephen wrote: So are you saying that you disagree with god and his own decree that homosexuals should be put to death?-->@Tradesecretwrote; I don’t disagree with God. What a dumb thing to say .
LOL! At you.
Stop being so fkn childish, You are beginning to sound just like that other idiot hereTimid8967 that is trying to convince us all that he is a non believer and anti anything and everything religious................ and failing to do so........................ miserably!
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@BrotherDThomas
It is quite obvious that the Hell bound 3 different persons ......................We can only wonder why TRADESECRET has returned to be once again easily obliterated regarding "their" assumed faith
I believe he/she has done exactly that Brother. I believe he/she suffers from multiple personalities. One has to wonder what "illness" he/she is suffering from.
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@Tradesecret
I think the modern world is backwards and Ill equipped to hand out sentences for death.
What you think of the "modern world and what it is or isn't equipped to do" is irrelevant, Reverend.. the "modern world" as you put it has more humane ways of dishing out capital punishment than say; collapsing a house full of children for no other reason but to massage the ego of your God to prove a point. Or have you never read the sad story of gods most loyal servant, Job?
My point is your blatant contradiction, that, in your own words tell us on the one hand you don't agree with the death sentence and on the other you say you do agree with the death sentence. And then pretend that there is no contradiction in your own words. You are a contradictory hypocrite.
And the forum can see for themselves>
-->@Tradesecretwrote You have NEVER highlighted a contradiction. Asserting contradiction is not the same thing.
but -->@Tradesecret also wrote
-->@Tradesecretwrote; I don’t actually agree with the death penalty at this time.So are you saying that you disagree with god and his own decree that homosexuals should be put to death?-->@Tradesecretwrote; I don’t disagree with God. What a dumb thing to say .
Well it is rather "dumb"& retarded not to mention blatantly contradictory of you sunshine, to say on the one hand you don't agree with the death penalty and on the other hand say you don't disagree with god on the death penalty. God ordered the death sentence for homosexuality, so therefore you agree.
A sentence of death is a death penalty in any fkn language including ancient Greek.
Keep wriggling Reverend whatever your-name -is -today.
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@Timid8967
You are the one saying the bible is supposed to be factual. And you keep rewriting the narrative because you think it is.
That's correct. "SUPPOSED TO BE" but it isn't is it? It is purported to be and believed by Christians to be the "gospel truth" and the "word of god". But I don't believe that, and neither do you . What is your dumb point.
This is why I think you are a fraud.
Think what you want. It is not me that believes the bible and you do not either, do you, Princess.. You tell us often enough
You do believe the bible.
Nope. I have said many times I do not.. And you seem to be complaining an awful lot that I don't although you do not believe it either.
And you have said as much.
Nope. I have said I do not believe the bible in the way it has come down to us and been fed to us over the millennia. I have also said many many times the I believe that many of the biblical characters may well have existed. I do believe that Jesus believed himself to be king of the Jews as did a few others in his entourage.
I believe the bible is all about a power struggle between the many factions that lived at the time.
Jesus is the jewish messiah - he is the true king - son of god.
Jesus may well have believed himself to be "the true" messiah as did a few others. But if he was, he failed miserably in his mission, and he didn't inherit the throne of David that was promised him, did he?. And all kings of Israel were called "sons of god".. in fact all of the nation of Israel were called the sons of god. THE BIBLE say that Jesus said “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” and he failed. And he doesn't mention Christians once, does he. Poor misguided Christians.
You take every little bit - like you do with John the Baptist - change the narrative -
How have I changed the biblical narrative, you clown? Millions still believe the bible word for word. The words are still the same. I couldn't change the written bible even if I wanted to. And again, you are complaining and whining about something that you don't even believe yourself and wished to see put to the flames.. You are a fkn hypocrite too.
and the wedding feast and turn it into something you think is true - you fraud.
No. The bible say Jesus turned water into wine. I don't believe that and neither do you. So again, what's your fkn problem?
So many times you keep tripping over your little messes.
NOPE! You just wish I did. Just like you "wish" that I "was more agreeable with a bible" that you don't even believe in yourself. << what a complete and utter retarded thing of you to say.
You just keep forgetting this don't you princess:
Dimtim wrote:you present an intriguing thesis. I just wish it would be clearer. More defined. More easily agreeable with the bible." #25
WHY EVER would you "wish" that I was more agreeable with a bible that you don't agree with or believe yourself?
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@Timid8967
[A] Most people interpret the bible the same way.Nope. One Christian faction will interpret the bible in many different ways. You are just far too stupid to realise this and will say anything that you believe will stop you looking stupid. So here once again is an example of how wrong you are.Jehovah's' Witness do not believe that Jesus is god.Preterist believe the second coming has already happened in the first century.Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was resurrected spiritually from the dead, but not physically.Catholics and Protestants believe Jesus' resurrection was physical.Mormons believe other Christians are apostates and that their churches have little or no authority.While the BIBLE ITSELF appears to be saying that Jesus' resurrection was physical AND spiritual!!!!?? NEED I GO ON!!!?But they all understand what the narrative is. They don't change that.
Well this is you showing how absolutely dumb you actually are. YOUR OWN quote above at [A] speaks only of "interpretation" and not narrative ? I believe most people understand the "narrative" it is simply basic school boy basics.
. You actually change the narrative.
NOPE! I could hardly change what is written in black on white.
I say the book clearly says Jesus died and rose. You then accuse me or not of believing.
I know what the book/bible clearly states. I just don't believe it and neither do you, do you Princess ? But here you are still, whining and whinging and bitching and crying that I have somehow "changed the narrative" of a 2000 + year old story. The narrative can only change when the words of the ACTUAL BIBLE change. And I am no position to do that. So stop your bitching and crying .
I don't have to believe it.
I know. No one is forcing you to. Stop talking stupid again.I believe that you are entitled to believe wtf you like. As am I.
That is a totally irrelevant ding dong of a silly thing to say.
But I never said that. I have said quite the opposite. I have said that YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE BIBLE and I know this because you tell us often, don't you? here
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I read the Great Gatsby. I understand the narrative and can read a story. I don't have to believe it.
And no one says you have to. But the Great Gatsby is not intended as factual; where as the bullshite in the bible is. Do you not see the difference between the two you clown.
The gospels of Jesus are clearly presenting a story of Jesus living and dying on a cross and coming back to dead.
Yes that is the narrative. I know what the narrative is and I do not believe the narrative. So fkn what!
That is the story. Only a ding dong would think it is not saying that.
I agree. I know what the bible says, I just do not believe it. And neither do you.
Do we have to believe it? Of course not.
No one has ever said to me that I have to AND MUST believe the bible. Has some nasty, NASTY person said that you you princess? HAVE THEY? send them to me , i'll put them right for you , princess.
But that is the story.
Yes, that is the story that is accepted only by those that CHOOSE TO accept it. I DON'T and neither do you.
Not that he did not die on the cross or that he survived the cross.
I have already covered this above. But here you once more. I know what the bible says. It says that Jesus died on a cross and came back to life after rotting and stinking for three days. I JUST DON'T BELIVE THAT AND NEITHER DO YOU.
The story says he died.
I DON'T CARE. I just don't believe it. And neither do you, regardless of what the story in the bible says.
You change the narrative.
I suggest another side to the story, I can't change the narrative. I am not asking you or anyone to believe it. I don't fkn care what you believe.
That is what I mean you are not agreeable.
But that doesn't explain WHY YOU "WISH ME TO BE MORE AGREEABLE", with the bible, DOES IT? You just don't understand what you said when you shot that shite at me. You left yourself wide open to my claim of you being the fraud I believe that you are.
Here you go, try again>>
you present an intriguing thesis. I just wish it would be clearer. More defined. More easily agreeable with the bible." #25 ?
WHY!?
What we do with story is a different thing altogether. but only someone with a different kind of agenda is going to rewrite the narrative.
I keep telling you, I cannot re-write the fkn narrative. The words in the bible haven't changed have they? They still remain exactly the same, don't they?
You are not in agreement with the bible -
That is correct. And neither are you. And for THE LIFE OF ME, I CANNOT SEE WHY YOU WOULD "WISH" ME TO BE MORE AGREEABLE WITH A BOOK THAT YOU DON'T BELIVE YOURSELF AND SAY THAT SHOULD BE PUT TO THE FLAMES. #25 ?
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@Timid8967
Dimtim wrote:->@Yassineeducation???I am not your student. You are not my teacher. Yes, you really are a funny one. Certainly, humility is not one of your strongsuits.
This ^^^^^^ from the man that turns to vile and disgusting insults when caught on the backfoot.
Here you are at your tolerant best and showing your humility?>>
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@Tradesecret
Keep repeating your nonsense.
I will keep highlighting your own contradiction every time that you deny it.
-->@Tradesecretwrote You have NEVER highlighted a contradiction. Asserting contradiction is not the same thing.
but -->@Tradesecret also wrote
-->@Tradesecretwrote; I don’t actually agree with the death penalty at this time.So are you saying that you disagree with god and his own decree that homosexuals should be put to death?-->@Tradesecretwrote; I don’t disagree with God. What a dumb thing to say .
Well it is rather "dumb"& retarded not to mention blatantly contradictory of you sunshine, to say on the one hand you don't agree with the death penalty and on the other hand say you don't disagree with god on the death penalty. God ordered the death sentence for homosexuality, so therefore you agree.
A sentence of death is a death penalty in any fkn language including ancient Greek.
Keep wriggling Reverend whatever your-name -is -today.
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@Timid8967
Most people interpret the bible the same way.
Nope. One Christian faction will interpret the bible in many different ways. You are just far too stupid to realise this and will say anything that you believe will stop you looking stupid. So here once again is an example of how wrong you are.
Jehovah's' Witness do not believe that Jesus is god.
Preterist believe the second coming has already happened in the first century.
Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus was resurrected spiritually from the dead, but not physically.
Catholics and Protestants believe Jesus' resurrection was physical.
Mormons believe other Christians are apostates and that their churches have little or no authority.
While the BIBLE ITSELF appears to be saying that Jesus' resurrection was physical AND spiritual!!!!?? NEED I GO ON!!!?
This way people can understand each other and when contradictions arise which they do - then they all sit down together and agree that this is what it is saying -
So. What has that go to do with you constantly contradicting YOURSELF!!!?.
even when it is contradicting itself. But not you.
Ok. Here you go again. SO let us see some examples of ME contradicting myself!
You take the normal agreeable way a passage reads and you say it says something completely different to what it says.
Examples please! And lets not forget that YOU have said yourself that YOU find the bible to be "contradictory and confusing"..
So when others come along, not only do they disagree with the way you have interpreted it - but your apparent contradictions get thrown out as well.
Stop being a silly little boy/girl. I have said many times that don't care that anyone disagrees with me. I am not here to beg anyone to believe my theories or opinions or convince anyone of anything. I don't fkn care. And again, what contradiction?
If you were more agreeable -
Agreeable about what, with what? I don't agree with the bible as it has come down to us. SO FKN WHAT!!. Why should this bother any one that purports to be as anti religious as YOU are pretending to be ? It shouldn't bother the likes of YOU in the slightest. But is all I get from you is more bitching and whining about me not being agreeable.
.For instance - the NT gospels clearly say Jesus died and rose again. This is clearly a nonsense since people don't rise from the dead. So rather than focusing on the scientific understanding to contradict such a situation, you propose an entirely new narrative.
So. What's your problem?
No, he did not rise from the dead, therefore he must not have died.
I don't know WTF you are talking about. I have always maintained that Jesus survived the cross, you clown.
This is not what the passages say. This is why you are disagreeable with the passage.
That's right. I don't believe Jesus died on the cross. So what!!?. I don't agree and never have done. And you do not believe in the myth of Christ anyway regardless of what the bible says, do you/ >>>> ""Jesus myth cancelled"? #18.
You want to say he never died. He never rose. And that somehow within the pages of the gospels are a secret hidden meaning which you alone can find.
Nope. I simply do not believe a dead and rotting stinking days old corpse rose from being dead. I believe Jesus survived the cross. And if you have taken the time to read my threads you will see my explanations as to why I believe as such..
And you AGAIN appear to be complaining and bitching about what I believe about a book that you don't believe yourself and find confusing and contradictory, and wish to see burned on a book fire<<< YOU KEEP FORGETTING THAT DON'T YOU dimtim.
The passages clearly say he died and he rose.
So. Do you believe he did? Well no you don't do you, REGARLESS OF WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS? and neither do I.
That is why it is bonkers. That is why the book is nonsense.
And I agree with you. The way the bible is written and has come down to us IS " confusing and contradictory" . I just happen to believe that there is another story below the surface and I don't give two fks what you think or believe.
And I am baffled as to why you are still whining and bitching and complaining about what I believe about a book that you wish to see burned on a fire but yet want me to "more agreeable " with it.
This is why the book is unreliable.
I agree again. I have said so from day one.
This is why it ought to be burnt because people are being misled by it.
Stupid people are misled by it.
But no not the great Stephen who has magical powers of intuition and understanding
I have never been know to say I am correct in my thoughts, theories or opinions about the scripture.
- who alone in all of the world is able to identify the secret meanings within the text.
Not really. They are just my thoughts , opinions and theories. I have nothing provable and have never claimed to have.
You say no - the text is not really saying he died.
NO. I am saying he didn't die on the cross. "The text" claims the opposite.
It just needs to be understood what the entire message is about so that you don't misunderstand
And you are going to provide that understanding are you..Well of course you aren't, you don't believe in the "myth of Christ " do you?
You are disagreeing with the text. You are disagreeing with the narrative of the text.
Correct, as are you. In fact you have dismissed the WHOLE FKN bible and want to see it burned.
This is why you are so hopeless. You have no clue. You can't even read.
Well that is a silly thing to say isn't it. This is pure desperation from someone that admits to not "understanding" the bible and who himself "finds it confusing and contradictory". Or have you also forgotten this>>
I read the narrative as it is written. It is totally full of contradictions and does not make a lot of sense. Yet what you purport it says makes even less sense.
Ok. I don't care. and you wouldn't know the fkn difference either way if it jumped up a slapped you stupid, if your anti everything religious opinions and comments are to be taken seriously and are to be believed.
You write your own narrative.
Example please.
You make it out like it a secret message just waiting to be exposed. Yet the only exposing is your stupidity.
NOPE. I don't think there is any secret messages " hidden " in the scriptures. The only secrecy in the scriptures comes from Jesus saying and doing things in secret and admitting to saying one thing to one group people while keeping things from another group of people.
Agreeable. I have explained before and I have explained again - I still doubt that you will understand - but at least I tried. AGAIN!
No!! You have NOT explained your contradictory comment as to why you would want me to be more agreeable with the bible, that is a book that you don't EVEN believe yourself and wish to see it burned. SO STOP LYING .
This is what YOU have said to me>..
you present an intriguing thesis. I just wish it would be clearer. More defined. More easily agreeable with the bible." #25 ?
WHY!!!? Why do you "wish me to be more agreeable" with something that you do not even believe YOURSELF!!! you clown.
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@Tradesecret
Me rejecting that the modern world should apply death penalty is not the same as me agreeing that God can apply it in the OT.
Then you are simply a contradictory hypocrite.
You see, to say on the one hand you don't agree with the death penalty and on the other hand say you don't disagree with god on the death penalty is simple contradictory hypocrisy. God ordered the death sentence for homosexuality, so therefore you agree.
A sentence of death is a death penalty in any fkn language including ancient Greek.
Keep wriggling Reverend.
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You are protecting this god far too much. You slipped up a long time ago sunshine, when you " wished that I was more agreeable with the bible"#25 , the bible that that you don't even believe in and wished to see destroyed by fire. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<This makes you a fraud..I have asked you many times now to explain to me why it is that YOU would "wish" ME to be more agreeable with the bible that you don't even believe yourself and want to see put to the flames?What in the world are you talking about? I have no clue.
That is because you are far too dense.
Most people interpret the bible in a particular way - a way that makes sense.
But not to you by your own account. You see, this ^^^^^ is even more contradiction from you. You are just far too stupid to realise it. So let me remind you AGAIN of what you feel about the bible:
Do you see that ^^^ dimtim?
You come at it with a completely and novel interpretation.
So? What difference does that make to you as someone that doesn't believe in god or the bible, and wishes to see the "Jesus myth cancelled"? #18.
What I think, or believe or say about the scriptures should have no effect on YOU at all, but here you are, bitching and "wishing that I were in more agreement with" a book that you don't believe anyway and want to see put to the flames. Or have you also forgotten this;
you present an intriguing thesis. I just wish it would be clearer. . More easily agreeable with the bible." #25 ?
WHY!!!!???
Your way actually makes it sound more plausible that god is a good bloke.
Nope. I have said AND SHOWN often that god is a megalomaniac jealous god of war, that will kill men women and children at the drop of a hat, and that regards humans as being disposable at ten a penny. The story of Job's ten murdered children is a prime example.
The way I have been reading it - it is easy to see how awful god is.
Correct. That is yet another thing that we have an agreement on
But you twist it.
What have I twisted?
This is what I have been saying is "more agreeable".
STOP TELLING LIES. You have clearly said that YOU "WISH ME" to be more agreeable with the bible. That was your great big giant balls up that exposed you for the fraud that you are LOOOOOOOK>>
you present an intriguing thesis. I just wish it would be clearer. More defined. More easily agreeable with the bible." #25 ?
With the way that most people read it. You are disagreeable
I am. So what!? What difference does that make to you, the most anti religious person on the forum IF YOU ARE TO BE BELIEVED!!!?
- - in your interpretation. What you say - does not make sense.
What doesn't make sense? You have told us many times that you find the bible "confusing and contradictory" after just one reading. So what fkn difference does any of this make to you? IT SHOULDN'T MAKE ANY, SHOULD IT, you clown!! But here you are bitching and whining that I am not "more agreeable" with a book that you don't even fkn believe in. It is this that makes you a big giant fraud and a contradictory hypocrite that started digging your own hole the second that you landed here as a supposed ` new ` member with your new name.
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@Tradesecret
-->@Tradesecretwrote You have NEVER highlighted a contradiction. Asserting contradiction is not the same thing.
but -->@Tradesecret also wrote
-->@Tradesecretwrote; I don’t actually agree with the death penalty at this time.So are you saying that you disagree with god and his own decree that homosexuals should be put to death?-->@Tradesecretwrote; I don’t disagree with God. What a dumb thing to say .
Well it is rather "dumb"& retarded not to mention blatantly contradictory of you sunshine, to say on the one hand you don't agree with the death penalty and on the other hand say you don't disagree with god on the death penalty. God ordered the death sentence for homosexuality, so therefore you agree.
A sentence of death is a death penalty in any fkn language including ancient Greek.
Keep wriggling Reverend whatever your-name -is -today.
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Yes I swore. I ought not have done so and therefore apologise.
Oh please, sincerely, do not apologise. I just love it when you show your true and ` tolerant ` colours.
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@Timid8967
My question here is legitimate. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with him. I am asking a question.
What you are doing is going against everything that YOU CLAIM to disagree with. You are just far too dense to see YOUR contradiction.
And that somehow makes me a fraud.
I will spell it out for you shall I?
(1) Why in the world would YOU of all people even care what anyone believes or thinks about the god of bible, when you don't believe the bible, and wish to see it burned#8 and destroyed #14 ?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<This makes you a fraud..
(2) What difference does it make to someone like YOU that believes the christian religion to be the most dangerous in the world#153 , that someone is looking at the problem through human ("American") eyes and not the gods eyes of the bible? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<This makes you a fraud..
(3) What difference does it make to YOU that someone is highlighting the unjustness of a god that YOU do not even believe in and believes that the Christian religion should be "cancelled"?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<This makes you a fraud..
(4) What difference does it even make to someone so anti religion as YOU claim to be that someone has highlighted the flaw in the Christian belief that we should "love our enemies and our" neighbour, while the god of the bible, that YOU do not believe in and want to see his word burned to a crisp, is murdering millions of innocent children that are not "mass murderers". ?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<This makes you a fraud..
You are protecting this god far too much. You slipped up a long time ago sunshine, when you " wished that I was more agreeable with the bible"#25 , the bible that that you don't even believe in and wished to see destroyed by fire. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<This makes you a fraud..
I have asked you many times now to explain to me why it is that YOU would "wish" ME to be more agreeable with the bible that you don't even believe yourself and want to see put to the flames?
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@zedvictor4
Yep, a good song and tune, that will always stimulate a positive internal reaction if done reasonably well.
As does most if not all music.
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@fauxlaw
rendering the holy Christian bible written in English useless, pointless and redundant.Nope, wrong again by complete misinterpretation.
Stop it. You know that you ballsed up when you made your comment about one needing to understanding Greek ( you being student of Greek#28) to understand the context of the bible "because the bible in Greek is far more contextual"#33 fauxlaw<<<< YOUR words not mine.
When I raised the point that in that case that you had, in one sentence , rendered the bible in English completely redundant, pointless and useless, you then went into back peddle mode and scrambled to invent some clap-trap that as long as one " reads the bible with sincere heart and
real intent, having faith in Christ and follows the clues, doing
so, the truth of it will be revealed by the power of the Holy Ghost,
and by that power, the truth of all things will be revealed." #29.
Thereby contradicting your initial claim of having to be a student in ancient to understand the context of the bible . You are just full of shite.
You are just another fake preacher attempting to gain the moral high-ground by claiming to be of some authority by spouting from you alleged position as "High Priest" #36 .
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@Timid8967
Dimtim wrote: I am a non-theist and I think the death penalty is appropriate in our day and age. If we were to put to death all of those who are mass murderers.TheUnderdog wrote: The issue isn't killing people for being mass murderers. The issue is killing people for things they aren't responsible for, like when God killed the first born sons of Egypt as a penalty for their fathers enslaving Jews. If someone commits a mass murder, you don't punish their sons for it legally; you only punish the murderer.Dimtim wrote: Why not?
UN-FKN - believable! THIS ^^^^^^^ from the man that doesn't believe in god, that believes the bible should be burned#8 and destroyed #14 and the Christian religion to be the most dangerous in the world#153 and that it should be stamped out and wiped from the face of the earth.#153 . What a complete and utter fraud, you are Dimtim!
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You mean like the Holy Bible should only be properly rendered in Hebrew and Greek? Translation is fine as long as it is done correctly, by people who understand both the from and to languages,.....
So here you are again , rendering the holy Christian bible written in English useless, pointless and redundant. And from a "High Priest" too. #36
You will be telling us next that the word - IF - is also a redundant word too , when it suites you, won't you? Oh sorry, you have already done that too haven't you.
#30 fauxlaw If is, by utility, the most useless word in existence because it acknowledges only that which is currently not true.
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@Timid8967
@Timid8967Just like all your thread show you for who you really areWith a difference. I have never denied or hid my opinions concerning these unreliable , ambiguous half stories that make up the bible that you want to put to the flames. Where as you are just a proven out n out fraud that tells me that YOU wish that my theories and opinions were ;"more easily agreeable with the bible." #25 ..Such an odd AND CONTRADICTORY thing to say for someone that ALSO SAYS:and !!!!I respond to you again - I do not know why.
Neither do I but respond you do. And still no sign of the "fundamental flaws" that you keep telling us about?
I have not seen too many people agree with you.
I am not here expecting to be agreed with princess.
But the odd thing here is that you are one of those that appears to agree with me, in part at least. Or have you also forgotten this little comment concerning these unreliable and ambiguous scriptures:
And I agree with you .They are my thoughts EXACTLY. I just don't agree with having it committed to the flames, as you do.
You tend to spend more time trying to dig dirt on other people's character than you do on actually doing any research.
What dirt? Is reminding you of your own vile and disgusting comments "digging dirt"? Or is reminding you of your own contradictory comments "digging dirt"? such as saying to me:
And this absolute filth from you,
Timid8967 Wrote:" I thought you understood animal and pussy. Ask your god, it might help. Although it seems to be silent. Stephen is a dick."#272
You tend to drive people away from you from any walk.
People have a choice on these boards. They either respond or they don't. And if its the truth driving them away, then they shouldn't be here in the first place should you princess?
I have seen christians, agnostics, atheists and others steer clear of you. I think people vote with their feet.
And that is their prerogative. I don't drag them to me kicking and screaming demanding that they respond.
Your comments against me - never argue a point. They only attempt to somehow ridicule my comments in the past.
Strange isn't it, that you are complaining about comments made by YOU that I remind you of saying, they are your OWN fkn comments, ffs. You shouldn't have said them , should you..
Good for you. It is water of a duck's back. Ad hominin is your only weapon.
Then stop complaining and playing victim. You won't find such vile and disgusting comment coming from me princess, I can assure you of that? And 1st, you need to learn to spell - ad hominem and 2nd, you need to understand its definition.
My views on the bible are my views.
That almost mirror my views. Only I don't wish to see the a book that is holy to the Christian thrown onto a fire and eradicated from the face of the earth as you do.
Timid8967 wrote:I think the best place for the bible is on a burning pile of books #8"It is tenor of the bible as an entirety that gives me reason for it be destroyed". #14
I am not trying to make you believe them or anyone else.
BELIEVE WHAT!!? Whatever are you saying man!!! I agreed with most of what you say about the bible. You tell us that you "don't believe the bible and that it is confusing an contradictory. I agree. You don't have to "TRY" to make me believe anything .
But they are my views - and honestly, you trying to twist them and your decision to continue to recall them on every opportunity says more about you than me.
There is nothing to twist, they are simply your comments. Stop complaining and playing victim. That said, I suppose you could just scratch the moniker that you now are writing and posting under, and go back to any one of your old usernames or create a new one, if you haven't already.
your decision to continue to recall them on every opportunity says more about you than me.
Only where deserved , needed and appropriate.
I give you permission Stephen, you may worship me. You may get down on your knees and continue your undying adoration of me. I accept the fact you find me worthy. I give you permission to relax now.Ahhh - it seems the reason I have responded has become clear. I am your god. You are my prophet. Now all we need is a scribe. Perhaps the Brother will join us in our unholy trinity?
My, my. deary deary me, you have totally lost it haven't you.
And seeing that you don't want to reveal these "fundamental flaws" that you keep banging on about;
can you explain why it is that on the one hand you say that you don't believe the bible and that it should be put on a fire and THEN say that you wish that I was >>
"more easily agreeable with the bible." #25 .. ?
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Just like all your thread show you for who you really are
With a difference. I have never denied or hid my opinions concerning these unreliable , ambiguous half stories that make up the bible that you want to put to the flames. Where as you are just a proven out n out fraud that tells me that YOU wish that my theories and opinions were ;
"more
easily agreeable with the bible." #25 ..
Such an odd AND CONTRADICTORY thing to say for someone that ALSO SAYS:
and !!!!
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It is marvelous how your own thread has shown you for what you really are , isn't it?
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Did you just got through my threads on my profile
WTF are you on about!?
YOU have asked members to "Name old DDO users".
The utter idiot and dulcet dunce Ethang5, has been mentioned in relation to that "old" website mentioned by YOU!!. I have simply commented that he is certainly showing his true and vile colours on that "old" website mentioned by YOU!
And I am not angry. I am happy that his true behaviour can be seen by all and anyone interested on that "old" website, mentioned by no one else but YOU! He's man of god too don't you know? Yes! a true Christian by all accounts........................, my arse.
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Mr Ethang seems to have had a breakdown.
Yes, he certainly is showing his true vile colours isn't he.
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The Miracle-less Bible is one of my favourites.
It tells the story of wars of gods and men. And of early men that were forced to fight wars on behalf of gods . Hard to tell at times if it is fiction or non-fiction?
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Do you think the devil has friends?Do you think he likes to just hang out sometimes? Play pool? Share a meal?
He certainly does and he is on good terms with god too, don't you know? Gambling seems to be his thing.
Did you know that once, a long long time ago that he and god had a bit of a fall out and god was so annoyed with him that he sentenced him to crawl on his belly eating dust for "the rest of his days" Genesis 3:14. But then before you know it, god it seems had forgiven him and he is then to be found just walking around going to and fro about the earth, free as a bird and gambling with god. Yes indeed. For instance, they had a bet how loyal Job would remain if given a hard time? Even to the point of murdering all of Jobs 10 children!! And all of these devastating and fatal disasters that were bestowed on poor loyal Job, were all sanctioned by god himself!! Its all there in this 5 minute biblical story .
7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” And Satan answered the Lord, “From roving about on the earth, and from walking back and forth across it.”...........................
18 While this one was still speaking another messenger arrived and said, “Your sons and your daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house, 19 and suddenly a great wind swept across the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell on the young people, and they died!
So yes, the devil has friends in extremely high places that he likes to have a a bit of a wager with when he returns from his to-ing and fro-ing and is bored out of his skull
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Added06.04.21 06:33AMStephen wrote: So leave it there and simply produce those "fundamental flaws" that you wish to discuss with no one but Christians.Dimtim wrote: I will when a Christian turns up and wants to argue the case.
Well. Is it any wonder that you do not have any other takers considering that you have totally ignored PGS' detailed response to you over seven days ago!!!!!?
HERE>. >Added06.11.21 01:51AM.? #21
It seems that not even our resident Christian Reverend or resident the High Priest fauxlaw want to take you up on your offer to discuss these "fundamental flaws"#1 that you believe to have discovered in Presuppositionalism, that you speak of in your OP
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@BrotherDThomas
Regarding Stephen giving you biblical examples to your question of specific examples of kings of Israel being "Sons of God," what part of Romans 8:14 don't you understand? "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." Relative to the inspired by Jesus passage in question, the Kings of Israel in having the spirit of the serial killer Hebrew Yahweh/Jesus God, are therefore “Sons of God!” Do you need further explanation upon this verse other than to hide from it because it addresses your question and you are to embarrassed to admit this FACT?Tradesecret, you are outright an embarrassment to the Christian faith, bar none!
Lets face it, Brother. The Reverend Tradesecrete is a liar and is a complete fraud. This is a man that didn't even know how he should be addresses in his capacity as a church elder. He tells us that he is himself a "pastor" and a "chaplain" #20 yet denies being a Reverend when I address him as such. So in all seriousness, how can we expect this fraud to have known who was and wasn't called a "son of god" by god himself?
The truth Brother is , he simply doesn't know the scriptures at all and this is why it is so easy to trip up clowns such as he. This is also why the likes of the Reverend Tradesecrete ever rarely start threads concerning the scriptures aka the word of god, but only rarely start a thread on the ` philosophical nature ` of their god. The dulcet dunce that Ethang is the same as is the "high priest"#36 fauxlaw
Here is an excellent example of what happens to alleged learned Pastors and Priests that attempt to create a thread about bible and its verses.....Tumbleweed
And be sure to take note of what it is the Reverend tradesecrete says he intends to do at post #4 in that link above.
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@Timid8967
this is why I want to see the end of religion - but we should be doing so intellegently.
Your, - not talking about religion - plan fell at the first fence.
Ok, so what is your new "intelligent" plan to end all religion? And how many bibles so far have to put to the flames?#8 & #14
Not just because we are superior.
Who do you mean by "we"?
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@BrotherDThomas
There needs to be absolutely NO APOLOGIST whatsoever because what the inspired words of Jesus said ONCE in a literal form, are not to be taken in many different and contradicting ways, period!
And I couldn't agree more, Brother. But, like I have pointed out many times now, the vile biblical verses are forever being re-interpreted to play them down and to mean something else. Indeed, haven't we been told by our resident " ordained high priest"#36 and student in the ancient Greek language#28 Fauxlaw, that the whole bible in English is pointless?
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