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Of course, that is what hospitals look like during a pandemic.
No they don't. Other hospitals are claiming to be so overwhelmed and bursting at the seems and short of beds that they are said to be begging other hospital to take patient from other counties. And those makeshift nightingale hospital aren't being used but dismantled.
"public order offence" in a public building?
Does your information come from the local Gloucester rag or the local constabulary?
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@Tradesecret
Why should I do your homework for you?
No one is asking you to. What you being asked to do is simply supply some context after years of claiming that it is always the atheist that purposely misses or doesn't understand the context.
But now it seems that even YOU cannot put context to many of these ambiguous verses and half stories that make up the scriptures .
You have absolutely no business charging universities large amounts of money to teach and tutor their students about something you haven't a clue about. After all, you are the one that didn't even know that the central character of a famous biblical story - Lot -was saved because he was righteous in the eyes of GOD!? Would you like the link , Reverend?
I personally wouldn't pay you in washers.
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@ethang5
I told you I didn't care if you blocked me,
Then stop your bitching and whining like little tart that's lost her gym slip.
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@ethang5
And you have resurrected yet another one of my threads over a year old for no other reason but to agitate .
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This brave woman walked freely around and empty Gloucester hospital here in the U.K filming as she went. This is supposed to be one of those hospitals that are overwhelmed, understaffed and has a shortage of beds.
Empty Hospital. Certainly no overwhelmed and rushed off their feet staff here.
Her arrest by what can only be described as Nazis " only carrying out their orders ".
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This brave woman walked freely around and empty Gloucester hospital here in the U.K filming as she went. This is supposed to be one of those hospitals that are overwhelmed, understaffed and has a shortage of beds.
Empty Hospital. Certainly no overwhelmed and rushed off their feet staff here.
Her arrest by what can only be described as Nazis " only carrying out their orders ".
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@Mopac
This is what the church teaches............................................
So that's no evidence and no answerers either. I have to wonder why you even bother being here on this forum never mind on this thread? Mopac.
Go away.
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@Mopac
The accounts are from different authors. It is natural that there would be some differences.
Well now your just being plain fkn ignorant.
You are trying to have me believe that there is no difference between going into the desert to speak with Satan than there is going to wedding. While also ignoring the different locations Jesus is said to have been immediately after his baptism.
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@Mopac
Ok now go away.
This thread is to do with giving theist the chance to explain context after years of claiming atheist always take the scriptures out of context. You are not interested in doing so. So leave.
I am not interested in your faith and this thread has nothing to do with what you use the scriptures for.
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@Mopac
Your issue comes from having the protestant understanding
Nope. My issues spring from the fact that the scriptures are contradictory and ambiguous and people like you not being able to answer the simplest of questions about although you tell us that they are true.
Another issue is the reason that I started this thread . YOU Christians always claim it is the atheist that misses the context, yet when presented with the opportunity to explain the context of certain verses, you run a mile . So leave this thread now Mopac. You have had your say, I have read your opinion and decided that you would continue talking shite rather than address the subject.
I am the only Orthodox Christian who debates on the religion forum. Everyone else is protestant. We consider them heretical.
And I don't care.
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@Mopac
It is natural that different accounts would recall different things.
I agree. But the accounts all have the same theme: They concern Jesus' immediate whereabouts directly after his baptism.
Where was Jesus three days after his baptism? follow the arrows and make your mind up. I can only be one of these situations.
Mark 1:10-13 King James Version (KJV)
10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
So above then we read that our Lord and savior Jesus was in the wilderness for "40 DAYS" where the Devil is attempting some kind of a deal.
But WAIT!!!! What is this!???
John 1:35 Again the next day after [the baptism]John stood, and two of his disciples;
36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
No that cannot be right surely? So Jesus wasn't driven to the wilderness by the spirit "immediately for 40 DAYS!!!!
This cannot be right , can it? lets read a bit more from John. WHAAAAAT!!!! On the second day after the baptism Jesus is to be found touring Galilee!!!!!!!
John 1:43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.
This cannot be right either can it? he is supposed to be in the wilderness for forty days straight.
Lets us read a bit further from the same gospel:
WHAAAAAAAT!!!!!
John 2:1-11 King James Version (KJV)
2-1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
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@Mopac
According to church tradition, Elizibeth took John and ran to the wilderness. When Herod's troops came looking for John, they encountered Zachariah in the temple. Refusing to reveal the location of his son, they killed him.John was said to have lived in the wilderness from that day.
Nice. Now lets us see you evidence and then can you answer my questions. If not, you have had your say and you can leave the thread, can't you.
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@Mopac
See, there is no end to all this.
Well I am glad that you understand that. Maybe it the scriptures weren't so ambiguous there would be an end to the scrutiny and questions. And the likes of you do not help when you are forever avoiding questions .
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@Tradesecret
Just because Jesus calls Peter to follow him on two or more separate occasions is not inconsistent.
Those verses are from your own scriptures Reverend. If you cannot explain why one tells of an chance meeting on a sea shore and another claims an introduction, then you have no business charging universities to address and lecture their students on scriptures that you know absolutely nothing about:
>>>"I don't charge students, I charge universities when they request me to lecture to them". #20
Read then slowly for yourself. I have highlighted the relevant parts for you.
18 As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee he saw two brothers, Simon called Peter and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. 19 “Come, follow me,” Jesus said, “and I will send you out to fish for people.” 20 At once they left their nets and followed him.
Luke 5:2-11
2 He saw at the water’s edge two boats, left there by the fishermen, who were washing their nets. 3 He got into one of the boats, the one belonging to Simon, and asked him to put out a little from shore. Then he sat down and taught the people from the boat.
4 When he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into deep water, and let down the nets for a catch.”
5 Simon answered, “Master, we’ve worked hard all night and haven’t caught anything. But because you say so, I will let down the nets.”
6 When they had done so, they caught such a large number of fish that their nets began to break. 7 So they signaled their partners in the other boat to come and help them, and they came and filled both boats so full that they began to sink.
8 When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!” 9 For he and all his companions were astonished at the catch of fish they had taken, 10 and so were James and John, the sons of Zebedee, Simon’s partners.
Then Jesus said to Simon, “Don’t be afraid; from now on you will fish for people.” 11 So they pulled their boats up on shore, left everything and followed him.
AND THEN!
John 1:35-42
35 The next day John [the Baptist] was there again with two of his disciples. 36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”
37 When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus. 38 Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked, “What do you want?”
They said, “Rabbi” (which means “Teacher”), “where are you staying?”
39 “Come,” he replied, “and you will see.”
So they went and saw where he was staying, and they spent that day with him. It was about four in the afternoon.
40 Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, was one of the two who heard what John had said and who had followed Jesus. 41 The first thing Andrew did was to find his brother Simon and tell him, “We have found the Messiah” (that is, the Christ). 42 And he brought him to Jesus.
Jesus looked at him and said, “You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas” (which, when translated, is Peter).
Jesus looked at him and said, “You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas” (which, when translated, is Peter).
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From the conception of John until his death, everything is suspect and can be questioned.
I am always amazed that Christians will accept the first thing they are told about the conception, life and death of John the baptist who , according to god Jesus was " the greatest prophet that ever lived".Luke 7:28.
John's conception by a "barren woman" Elizabeth , said to be Marry's cousin, is nothing new to anyone that has ever read the scriptures for themselves. It is a story that is repeated over and over and one has to wonder what it is that god has about "barren women"? Because there are at least five other biblical women that are also said to be child baring barren women—
Isaac’s mother, Sarah (Gen. 11:30; 21:1-2) who had married Abraham
Jacob’s mother, Rebekah (Gen. 25:21) who had married Isaac.
Joseph’s mother, Rachel (Gen. 29:31; 30:22) who had married Jacob
Samson’s mother, who was unnamed (Judg. 13:1-3) and had married Manoah
Samuel’s mother, Hannah (1 Sam. 1:5-6, 20) who had married Elkana.
The questions surrounding John keep mounting up and they cannot be explained away without the theist invoking the supernatural .
If we put the recycled story of all of these "barren women" giving birth aside for now, the first question that should be asked is :
considering that all first born were to be killed on orders Herod, Matthew 2:16(another recycled story) there is no mention of this priestly family fleeing anywhere to safety as did the Jesus family?
Why no visit from an "angel" showing any concern for the safety of the first born of barren women chosen by god to be "greatest prophet that ever lived" and the forerunner to god Jesus himself? Is all we know is that "Zechariah went home" after receiving the news and performing temple duties, Luke 1: 23, and that for at least the last five months of her pregnancy Elizabeth, the barren woman chosen by god to bare the greatest prophet simply remained in seclusion. Luke 1:24 And there in no mention of the "greatest prophets " birth either. Not to mention, however did they escape Herod's sword without having to flee the country?
The Jesus family on the other hand were instructed by gods messenger ,for their own safety, to flee the country altogether and "escape" to Egypt (of all places) Matthew 2:13.
"When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream.
"Get up," he said, "take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt.
Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him."
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@Tradesecret
And that is just on this one thread.
Nope. those are all contradictory quotes from your own scriptures.
Must try harder Ethang.
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@Tradesecret
Stephen just invents things up
Lets see all of your examples of me "making things up" Reverend.
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@ethang5
Don't worry, you won't hear them laughing, and Stephen will egg you on.
He needs no advise or lectures or any need to be "egged on" by me. He does externally well on his own.
I notice again you have not attempted these content of the Op. But have chosen conflict again and after I asked you not to post on my threads.
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@ethang5
And yes, that is a terrible thing to do. And I am ashamed to have done so, I really am. But do you know what caused me to do that don't you. Elmer?. But what you should be ashamed of is blocking and then responding to the one you blocked when he posts a thread to someone else.
That is EXACTLY my point , Elmer. I have put up with this cowardly treatment from two of your lovely friends for almost a year (even AFTER asking moderation to do something about it) and have decided that, going into the new year I am not going to have the piss taken out of me any longer by your buddies and especially YOU!
I don't care if you block me, but if you do, don't then start addressing my posts to other people.
Yes it is a terrible thing to do isn't it? So, so annoying and irritable , not to mention the agitation one feels especially after getting banned for complaining about it.
Like you I agree that it is cowardly but NOT AGAINTS THE RULES, by all accounts Elmer.it shows how mentally off balanced you are, and how dishonest you are, all without me doing anything.
Well I thought I would give it a go even knowing full well what a cowardly act it is do on anyone, even those we don't like. I never once heard you call out your friends "cowardly actions and cowardly behaviour" when they did exactly this to me on hundreds of occasions. It must be a Christian thing, that one only feels the effect of something when it happens to them. But as your good cowardly friends have said to me on many occasions. "I will post when and where I like, suck it up".
If you block me, it means you don't want me to talk to you, yet you will seek out and answer a post of mine not addressed to you! Are you sane? And you will later whine that I attacked you.
No . If I see a post, any post, including yours, that is worthy of a response from me, then I will respond to it. It's not against the rules, Elmer. " suck it up" as your cowardly friends like to remind me.
At least we agree that you're a coward.
We can. And doesn't sound like something a real coward would admit to does it. But I agree , it is a cowardly act to block someone and then persistently respond to those you have blocked.
I can't understand why it is that you are moaning and whining so early and so soon after I blocked you. I endured months and months of it before I even considered complaining about it. And then it was months more before I raised this irritating and antagonising and cowardly behaviour with moderation and got banned for doing so. ( I actually believe that there was a misunderstanding as to who was flagging whom) , but banned I was.
So if you do not like the fact that I can respond to you directly but won't afford you the same curtesy, then take it up with moderation. Or simply block me. I won't hold it against you princess.I won't block you.
Well lets be honest. The way the blocking function works on this forum doesn't really serve its purpose does it? We can still communicate . On other forums I wouldn't even see your posts once I had you on block affording me a right to ignore you without me even knowing.
But what it does do though is serve as an official warning that I do not want YOU to respond to ME, at all and especially on my own threads, when I have politely asked you on a number of occasions not to post in reply to me or on my threads.
Any further comments made to me by YOU especially on my own threads I will take as harassment and stalking and will expect them to be treated as such.Lol!!! You're responding to me even when I'm not posting to you, but if I post to your loser threads that would be harassment?? Hee! Hee! That's hilarious.
Exactly. You obviously haven't understood what I have been saying to you. And on reflection, I am truly thankful that you haven't.
why you blocked me.
I thought I told you why I blocked you. This is why, Elmer>>>
When it came to BLOCKING YOU, it was YOUR disgusting comments about people being murdered by jihadists that finally caused me to block you.#154 Or have you forgotten what you actually wrote?
here you are>>
" Why would any sort of jihadist keep me awake? Most of the world is not as run over with jihadists as England is. Only sheep or soldiers get killed by jihadists".#154
If that didn't deserve a lengthy ban then I don't know what does, to be honest.
And this came not long after your return from a lengthy ban for " a pattern of sexual harassment" of a member, .#17
There now. I hope that clears everything up nicely for you, Elmer.
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"Occult" simply means hidden (knowledge) and not necessarily ""evil or "satanic" or just bad..
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@BrotherDThomas
Stephen,I am sure you realize that you are going to the sulfur lakes of Hell upon your demise because of your Atheist views,
Into the valley of death etc etc, Brother.
nonetheless, you know more about Jesus' inspired words within the scriptures and Christianity than these inept Biblical fools that we have to deal with ad infinitum!
I admit there are a few here that I have had to correct point in the right direction. I believe on this thread alone have had to correct a learned and qualified Pastor and a Chaplain no less- on the god given status a central biblical character in a famous biblical story. Here , in case you missed it>>#8
Therefore, do you see my blatant catch-22 situation within this forum?
I have noted your dilemma on many occasions, Brother. I can only admire you for your honesty concerning these scriptures.
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@Mopac
That you believe the scriptures to be true is enough. And I see you avoided the questions Mopac.Why didn't Jesus simply eradicate all leprosy instead of curing just a few lepers, Mopac ?Why did Jesus waste his maiden "miracle" on making sure wedding guests got drunk ?Why didn't Jesus raise the greatest prophet that ever lived; John the Baptist from the dead as he had done his mere friend Lazarus ?Why didn't Jesus shed a single tear for the greatest prophet that ever lived when he heard about his death, as he cried for his friend Lazarus ?I am not interested in having a discussion with you about scripture. You do not respect the authority of the church, and you are anti-Christian. There will never be an end to these fruitless discussions.
Of course you're not. As simple as those questions above are for someone that claims access to a higher knowledge than other Christians you are simply far too afraid to take them on.
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@BrotherDThomas
Mopac,YOUR QUOTE OF ACCEPTANCE OF ORTHODOXY AS YOUR BIOGRAPHY SO STATES: "You don't understand my beliefs. Not at all. "Since Stephen allegedly doesn't understand your beliefs, then tell us what they are regarding Orthodox Christianity! Since the Orthodox Church is one of the three main Christian divisions of the faith, whereas the others being Roman Catholic and Protestant, which one do you follow? This is especially important to tell us since the word 'Orthodox' takes its meaning from the Greek words orthos ('right') and doxa ('belief'), hence the word Orthodox means the correct belief or right thinking. Therefore, which correct belief and right thinking do you follow, and how do you know you follow the correct division of the orthodox faith where ALL OF THE THREE contradict each other, but yet, they are all correct using the term orthodoxy???!!! LOLBEGIN:
That is an excellent and fair request, Brother. But I fear it will be as fruitless as my request for the Monk to answer just those few questions I posed concerning the scriptures that he swears are a true account of the birth, life and death of the Christ.
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@Mopac
Stupidity.
That you believe the scriptures to be true is enough. And I see you avoided the questions Mopac.
Why didn't Jesus simply eradicate all leprosy instead of curing just a few lepers, Mopac ?
Why did Jesus waste his maiden "miracle" on making sure wedding guests got drunk ?
Why didn't Jesus raise the greatest prophet that ever lived; John the Baptist from the dead as he had done his mere friend Lazarus ?
Why didn't Jesus shed a single tear for the greatest prophet that ever lived when he heard about his death, as he cried for his friend Lazarus ?
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@ethang5
Nor restricted to the scriptures either. The Gnostic gospels speak of the "twin " Didymus. Didymus Judas Thomas, to give him his full title.
But you believe the Gnostic gospels to be heresy don't you.... when it suites you.
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@ethang5
I do not have to resort to that kind of deviousness to get my points across. And neither would I stoop to sharing passwords and scripting another members replies.No, you just stoop to blocking a person then addressing them by answering a post not sent to you. That is cowardly and dishonest jasper.
I blocked three of you all on the same day. And yes, that is a terrible thing to do. And I am ashamed to have done so, I really am. But do you know what caused me to do that don't you. Elmer?
Two things to be exact.
( 1st) I had had enough of being blocked by two of your buddies after almost a year and your buddies still posting replies to my comments on my own threads where I couldn't reply back. I decided to block them. Do you know I got banned for complaining about them commenting, shouting and agitating from the sidelines on my own threads in such a cowardly fashion yet leaving me no chance of a direct response. Yes, your friends are fkn cowards.
Like you I agree that it is cowardly but NOT AGAINTS THE RULES, by all accounts Elmer.
(2nd) When it came to BLOCKING YOU, it was YOUR disgusting comments about people being murdered by jihadists that finally caused me to block you.#154 Or have you forgotten what you actually wrote?
here you are>>
" Why would any sort of jihadist keep me awake? Most of the world is not as run over with jihadists as England is. Only sheep or soldiers get killed by jihadists".
If that didn't deserve a lengthy ban then I don't know what does, to be honest. That said I suppose except one showing a pattern of sexual harassment could rank along side it.#17
I have had plenty of reasons to block ignorant pigs and timewasters like you on many occasions, but like YOU I believed it to be a cowardly response. But NOT AGAINST THE RULES, Elmer.
So if you do not like the fact that I can respond to you directly but won't afford you the same curtesy, then take it up with moderation. Or simply block me. I won't hold it against you princess.
And so you get this clear for the New Year.
I HAVE BLOCKED YOU BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT YOU TO REPLY OR RESPOND TO ME ESPECIALLY ON ANY OF MY OWN THREADS. Any further comments made to me by YOU especially on my own threads I will take as harassment and stalking and will expect them to be treated as such.
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@BrotherDThomas
What do you think of Jesus allowing Lot to bring forth his young daughters to be raped by the men in question? Does this set moral standards that other Christians can follow to make points with Jesus?
Nice to see you back Brother. I hope all went well for you and family over the Christmas period.
Don't expect too much in the way of an explanation for the lord god Jesus' behaviour concerning Lots vile proposition to the homosexuals of Sodom, from ethang5. Is all he has done so far on this thread is bury the Reverend Tradsecrete's embarrassments under plies of BS and, it appears, wrote scripts for the Reverend .
I did attempt mitigation on your behalf Brother but to no avail I'm afraid. #49.
Nice to see you back.
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@Mopac
No, I'm saying that even if I used the same words as you, we would understand them differently, because you are unteachable.
It is not the atheist that is forever redefining words to fit their narrative.
It is never the atheist that attempts to put words in the mouths of the biblical authors.
It is never the atheist that attempts to put words into the mouth of the Christ himself. Do you know why that is? Its because I don't need to. I have absolutely nothing to defend when it comes to these extremely unreliable ambiguous half stories that make up these scriptures.
Why didn't Jesus simply eradicate all leprosy instead of curing just a few lepers, Mopac ?
Why did Jesu waste his maiden "miracle" on making sure wedding guests got drunk ?
Why didn't Jesus raise the greatest prophet that ever lived; John the Baptist from the dead as he had done his mere friend Lazarus ?
Why didn't Jesus shed a single tear for the greatest prophet that ever lived when he heard about his death, as he cried for his friend Lazarus ?
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@Mopac
You don't know what I believe in. Don't kid yourself.
See this is where you are being completely and utterly stupid.
I know from your own admittance that YOU believe that the scriptures tell the true story of the birth, life and death of Jesus. And I have told you on many occasions :
It is only that which you claim to believe IN, that has only ever concerned me. I don't have the slightest interest in your faith. It is that which you have faith in (the truthfulness and reliability of scriptures) that has ever concerned me.
So are you changing your mind and telling me that the scriptures do not tell the true story of birth, life and death of Jesus?
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@ethang5
Perhaps, but I've seen you start multiple threads with no success. I don't think there's a way to talk sense in these people.Tell him to start multiple accounts like you. That might work.
I do not have to resort to that kind of deviousness to get my points across. And neither would I stoop to sharing passwords and scripting another members replies.
I notice you didn't attempt to address the questions posed but instead chose to post something entirely irrelevant to the questions not to mention the thread.
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@Mopac
We certainly do not believe in the bible the way that protestants do.
I have asked you on many occasions if the bible is a true record of the birth, life and death of Jesus. You have answered yes on those occasions. I have then reminded you that so do other Christians believe the same and then you claim some higher knowledge.
And I certainly know what I believe better than you do, or anyone else does.
That will be the arrogance that I spoke of and that you accuse others of displaying.
The arrogance is in telling me what I believe and being unwilling to be corrected because of prejudice.
I have never told you what you believe. I have though, told you that I don't care that you have a belief. It is only that which you claim to believe IN, that has only ever concerned me.
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@rosends
Yes. And you could add - Mind your own business who I am - never mind what my name is, just do as you are told, I'll be whomever I want to be.
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@Mopac
Monks live in poverty, do not have money, and live a life of prayer, temperance, and hard work.
I do struggle to understand how ora et labora keeps your tonsure's above water. Besides feeding yourselves there is the utilities to be paid for and the maintenance of the monk house that you all occupy. You can't all be working in the garden especially during winter. Would donations from the heathens & pagans outside of your bubble play any part in your upkeep?
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@Mopac
It is like saying, "It is the truth that there is no truth!"
"What is truth?" retorted Pilate. John 18:38
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I Am That I Am
This has always come across to be as a stern rebuff, - never mind what my name is, just do as you are told, I'll be whomever I want to be.
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@Mopac
You have no idea what I believe because you are too arrogant.
It is always someone else that is " arrogant" , isn't it, mopac?
It is never those , such as yourself, that claim some higher knowledge even above other Christian sects that are full of not knowing adherents. Yet you all claim that the bible is true.
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@Mopac
As I said earlier, apart from what it is the church teaches, scripture is always taken out of context.
Yes, according to theists. And that is why I started this thread. Atheist are ALWAYS accused of taking things biblical out of context while you refuse to, or are simply incapable of explaining the context. And there is only one single reason for your reluctance to even take the question on: because it is far too difficult to defend the indefensible.
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@Wagyu
Perhaps, but I've seen you start multiple threads with no success.
I don't start my threads with the intent on gaining any amount of success in the way of reasonable discussion or debate , Wagyu .
I start my threads in order to see how each individual question I pose is approached and handled by the believer. There is no doubt that there is an almost innate pattern that immediate arises when theist are challenged with an awkward or embarrassing questions concerning these unreliable, ambiguous biblical half stories that make up the scriptures.
Their ignorance of their own scripture can be breath taking at times. One of the worse and most embarrassing traits that they all posses is they will deny what the scriptures themselves have to say....for themselves. This is why theist here will very rarely - if at all - start a thread to discuss the actual written scriptures. They find it an impossibility to discuss the bible without redefining words and re writing scripture. Atheist, I have found, know these scriptures better than any theist.
It will always be you/I that is at fault, without them just once considering themselves to be even the slightest wrong.
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@Mopac
It would be of no benefit to discuss these things with you.
Too embarrassing are they? I can understand how difficult it must be to defend the indefensible using logic, reason and or facts.
Instead of presuming to know, it would be better to say "I don't know", and be open to learning something.
That is what these questions imply do they not. They imply not knowing and need "CONTEXT" that you seem far too reluctant to supply.
So take your time and take them one by one.
here they are,
Since you three seem to be the most active advocates of theism and seem to all believe that the bible is taken out of context, could any one of you provide some context to the following?
“God himself will kill tens of thousands if it pleases him”
Samuel 6:19
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, She will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are”
Peter 2:18
“Their little ones will be dashed to pieces before their eyes. Their houses will be looted, and their wives will be raped”.
Isaiah 13:19
“See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”
Genesis 19:8
"Happy the one who takes and dashes Your little ones against the rock!"
Psalm 137:9
"And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have — from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves"
Leviticus 25:444-45
"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him"
Levitivus 20:9
"Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths"
2 Kings 2:23
In the Old Testament, God murdered 203834 people, now compare that to Satan who killed 10.
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@Wagyu
Perhaps one of you three can provide some "context" to these versus.Don't hold your breath. You won't get explanation for those verses without them being re-written.I don't expect it.
That is the best starting point you can wish for.
You may get a little more response if you were to start a thread of your own asking for context of those vile intolerant verses.
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@Mopac
Nobody accuses the ocean of murder when people drown in it. No one says lightning murders people.
Is that because god created the heavens the earth and the oceans? Not to mention that it is gods plan and god let it happen.
Of course they don't "blame " the ocean. What a ridiculous thing to say.
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@Mopac
@Wagyu wrote: Perhaps one of you three can provide some "context" to these versus.Mopac the Monk wrote: Let me ask you something.
Now there's a good start. When on the backfoot, respond with a question of your own.
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@Wagyu
Perhaps one of you three can provide some "context" to these versus.
Don't hold your breath. You won't get explanation for those verses without them being re-written.
With you logic, I can say that all the "good" verses are taken out of context and that God is actually all evil?
Are there any good verses? I have asked theist here many times to start a thread showing god in a good light rather than the vile and malicious light that I - not to mention the bible - always shows him in.. They have declined every single request.
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@Mopac
What caused you to want to become a "orthodox" Christian, Mopac?Cooperation with the grace of God.
How?
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@Mopac
Orthodox Christianity is true Christianity.
What caused you to want to become a "orthodox" Christian, Mopac?
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@Utanity
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@janesix
Led Zeppelin's brilliant masterpiece Stairway To Heaven is riddled with esoterica.
Some (Christians) like to believe is based on their own beliefs surrounding the so called "Virgin" Mary. Which is absolute shite of course.
Jimmy Page himself said that his "inspiration came from reading Magic Arts in Celtic Britain".
Page was also heavily into Aleister Crowley the Victorian occultist and magician of the black arts.
Music eh, I have always said it to be the language of the universe.
The quicker you get your piano and petronome, the quicker you will understand and appreciate the musical scale and all its notes and their wonderful infinite combinations.
Good luck.
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@janesix
I have noticed lately that my three budgies are often arranging themselves in a golden ratio triangle.
My brother used to keep canaries and other finches. He found that at a certain time of the year, the would congregate and roost at the south side of the aviary. It was all to do with migration.
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@Utanity
In that case your being very one-sided and out of the context yourself so obviously your dont know what your talking about.
I notice Santa brought you a crash course in English grammar, Utanity. All very lucid, I must say.
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