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@secularmerlin
Your answer is circular unless you have a different understanding of natural selection then I but I understand natural selection as survival, so when you say natural selection as an answer I hear it as I care about my survival because of survival, it’s all circular.
I do not CHOOSE what I care about.
Even if that is true, you do choose what you act on and you choose to act in a way that prolongs your survival as opposed to shortening it.
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@secularmerlin
Not if it has no relevance in your life, clearly you care to some degree since it has relevance in your life.
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@secularmerlin
Why do you care about the mechanisms of natural selection? You can try to avoid and dance all you want, I’m going to keep asking until I get a sufficient response.
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@secularmerlin
I said nothing about should, I’m asking why? Don’t shy away from the question with the biology response because biology can’t answer for every different individual human, only you can answer for you.
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@secularmerlin
Natural selection wouldn’t be a subject if you didn’t care about your survival, I’m asking why you care about your survival?
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@secularmerlin
It isn't really a problem at all just something I'd rather happen later rather than sooner.
Why?
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@secularmerlin
What does your behavior have to do with why your death is a problem for you?
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@secularmerlin
because if they did not there wouldn't be any humans or a me.
...So what? Why is that a problem?
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@secularmerlin
I’m asking specifically in regards to you, why do you care about your survival? It’s not rocket science.
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@secularmerlin
That is incorrect. We are products of an uncaring environment that survives by caring for each other.
No that is incorrect. There are a bunch of selfish, hateful, and uncaring people that are surviving just fine, so I don’t know where you got that foolish notion from.
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@secularmerlin
But aren’t you the one that argued we’re products of our environment? So by that logic if our environment doesn’t care neither do we.
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@secularmerlin
Well isn’t environmental factors an extension of the universe? And since the universe is so uncaring shouldn’t our environment reflect that?
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@secularmerlin
Then at some point you are going to have to work with me to communicate.
Yeah, like asking questions based off what you say? Newsflash I’ve done that already, I’m still waiting on you to answer the call.
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@secularmerlin
Yes, if the questions I’m asking in regards to them isn’t any indication of that then tell me what is?
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@secularmerlin
I asked a question that has nothing to do with acceptance or decline, the fact that you feel the need to change the narrative where it suits you tells me that the questions I’m asking are reasonable and you can’t take the heat of honestly admitting so. But hey to each his own.
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@secularmerlin
Now your just lying, first of all I’m not arguing with anybody I’m simply asking a question, Google is free if you don’t know the difference. Second even if I were arguing (which I’m not) it damn sure ain’t with myself considering everything I’m saying is predicated on what you said. Come correct next time before you keep stressing the same meaningless stuff repeatedly.
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@secularmerlin
Then how can you be so sure that their environment shaped them?
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@secularmerlin
So what environment does one need to come to the conclusion of nihilism?
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@secularmerlin
It is all the things an alive thing does.
I think that sums up behavior just fine, don’t know why you added environmental factors into the equation, the equation seems complete without it.
As for environmental factors what environmental factors influenced your principle of conduct?
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@secularmerlin
Biology is a generic term which can mean anything outside the context of this discussion, so unless you have anything specific to add for the sake of discussion it’s dismissed. As for environmental factors what environmental factors influenced your principle of conduct?
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@secularmerlin
Nothing but nihilism falls under behavior does it not?
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@secularmerlin
So there’s no reason to have a principle of conduct, ergo principles of conduct make no sense, doesn’t this all sound familiar, I don’t know how many times we gotta take laps around this circle but maybe the umpteenth time is the charm.
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@secularmerlin
I’m asking, why does the principle of conduct exist in the first place?
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@secularmerlin
Without living organisms there is no reason to believe there is any morality.
Even with living organisms what reason is there to believe there is any morality (as zedvictor4 defined considering you piggybacked off our discussion)?
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@secularmerlin
THERE ISNO SHOULD when discussing what IS.
Good to know, too bad that’s not what we’re discussing considering I asked in regards to should.
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@Theweakeredge
Even worse then you use to be I see
Then feel free to block me FOR THE THIRD TIME AGAIN if you want.
all I ask is a simple question - how is using devil's advocate constructive here specifically?
And I already told you that the only way you’ll get your answer is if you let me exercise it fully, take it or leave it.
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@secularmerlin
You brought up should
Yes but you acknowledged it after I brought it up by saying it doesn’t matter, something not mattering isn’t the same as it being nonexistent.
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@Theweakeredge
No, your pedantics is gross with all your questions.
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@secularmerlin
That makes no sense, one minute your acknowledging a should and the next your not, make up your mind.
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@secularmerlin
...So what context were you referring to when you said
It doesn't matter if humans SHOULD reflect the universe in its apparent inability to care
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@secularmerlin
Don’t act slow now, I’ve made it abundantly clear what the question was, the question is
SHOULD we reflect the universe in its all apparent inability to care?
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@Theweakeredge
Did I not make myself clear the first time? Google is free dude it’s not my job to educate you on why devils advocate is an effective debate strategy, miss me with that bs.
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@Theweakeredge
Explain what devils advocate is? Google is free dude.
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@secularmerlin
I personally don't think it is a matter of what we should do but rather what we actually do.
Well your not the one asking the question, I am.
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@Theweakeredge
No.... its deliberately a dishonest tactic - explain what it would accomplish here
It’s not dishonesty if I’m telling you I’m doing it, and maybe if you let me argue as I wish you’ll find out.
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@secularmerlin
...No one’s disputing that but I’m SOLELY asking in regards to should.
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@Theweakeredge
why did you entertain a notion you thought was false if there's an entirely other notion that you think is true?
You said it yourself
if your gonna do devil's advocate
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@secularmerlin
It doesn't matter if humans SHOULD reflect the universe in its apparent inability to care if we DON'T reflect the universe and just go ahead and care any way.
Are you conceding that we SHOULD reflect the universe in its all apparent inability to care?
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@Theweakeredge
So you've conceded? Objective morality is bunk?
No
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@secularmerlin
have minds any way.
I meant in the uncaring sense not in the no mind sense.
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@Theweakeredge
Then don’t, nobody forced you to join this discussion.
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@Theweakeredge
Excuse me, but who are you to tell me how to argue? I’ll argue as I wish thank you very much.
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