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@Dr.Franklin
this isnt about cost, this is about the libertarian argument of "government shouldn't incentivize behavior" if you do this, you are literally incentivizing people to leave the US.
I don't agree with libertarianism on everything, but merely most things.
oh dear, no-"high taxes" isnt why they fled. They fled because their country is a shithole.
It's a shithole because Puerto Ricans pay high taxes for nationalized services that are of poor quality.
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When is the Hall of fame? If it's when I'm going to be on vacation, can I vote early?
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@Double_R
My question is, please tell me what you would do to complete your mission that republican governors are not already doing.
You would prohibit vaccines in your state on the grounds that they are too dangerous when in reality they save lives, and you would prohibit masks on the grounds that America needs to man up against the virus, "because 'Murcia" and "don't be a pussy" and, "Thin the herd"(a slogan that although I disagree with is popular enough for someone to have as a bumper sticker and not have their car destroyed over it in one of the bluest states in the country(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQsz-QxVUAEx-W3.jpg:large)). Yet we don't see the GOP doing either of these things and instead letting people choose their own risk tolerance because of the American value of freedom.
Is America principled with this value? Not nearly as much as I'd like them to be. However, if America doesn't mandate vaccines, that would be one part of freedom that I like.
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@bmdrocks21
Being "principled" is often quite foolish. You're enslaving yourself to some ideology. Pragmatism is much better. If a policy would be very beneficial, I don't care if Adam Smith says the invisible hand doesn't like that.
A lot of libetarian ideas are pragmatic, but that's a different topic.
No bro, they just don't trust it because it was developed very quickly, the companies can't be sued for vaccine-related issues, and it is only under emergency use authorization.
The covid vaccine took a little under a year to develop, it took quite some time to make. The companies making the vaccines have almost never had allergic reactions to the vaccine and far more have died of covid than the number that have died from the vaccine.
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@oromagi
IF US schoolchildren were required to take a Spanish course K-12 and Spanish were one of two official languages in the US so that government documents were published in both languages and 2/3rds of all people who identified as Americans lived spent some or all of their lives in Spanish speaking countries
US children primarily take Spanish as a foreign language, Spanish is one of the 2 official languages of New Mexico, yet I wouldn't call the typical person there fluent in Spanish as most New Mexicans aren't. I also don't believe the majority of Puerto Ricans have spent a significant amount of time in the US as they would almost certainly know English if they did.
Unlike most Americans, Puerto Rico did not chose US citizenship so I would say they do not share the ordinary immigrant's obligation to assimilate.
which this contradicts your claim here:
but all Puerto Ricans study English in school so the overwhelming majority have reasonable English comprehension
Nevertheless, I would argue that the average Puerto Rican is already well assimilated and point to many representative outstanding citizens like Lin Manuel-Miranda, Bruno Mars, Carmelo Anthony, Rosario Dawson, Luis Guzman, Aubrey Plaza, Benicio del Toro, Roberto Clemente, Jimmy Smits, Bad Bunny, etc as examples.
There are some wealthy Puerto Ricans that were able to move to the US and assiliminate. This does not represent the majority of Puerto Ricans. The Puerto Ricans should assiliminate.
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@bmdrocks21
But why do you think that "pro-life" generally don't push vaccination? Do they want people to die?
My guess is pro lifers are more hesitant to take the vaccine to "own the libs" since we live in very partisan times where if the democrats support something, the GOP automatically opposes it and vice versa.
This is also true; both parties suck horse penis.They do much better than the Libertarian party. Republicans and Democrats must suck less horse penis than Libertarians.
How so? Libetarians are mostly principled. There are a few areas where in my opinion they aren't, such as with nuclear power and the death penalty, but for the most part they are the principled ones.
That doesn't work, never do that lol
Why not? I've seen it done before.
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This guy couldn't get through Calc III without his parents.
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@bmdrocks21
Telling people to never leave their house so they don't accidentally kill someone in a car crash or spread COVID is doing all you can do.Why would you suggest that it is fine to subject others to risk in some circumstances but not others? Why do you draw an arbitrary line at vaccines? Is it fine to impose risks on the individuals getting vaccinated to maybe save other people?
I would encourage vaccinations but not encourage people to stay at home to protect others because the economy would fail if you make everyone stay at home, whereas the economy wouldn't fail if everyone got vaccinated. Fortunately, nobody believes life is truly priceless, otherwise they would do whatever it takes to save one life. A little bit of risk acceptable if the economy needs the risk. I wouldn't necessarily kill 100 million Americans to bring the economy back, but 100 seems like a fair price to pay.
Pro-Choice people very often want to limit your choice of health insurance, guns/all self-defense tools, want to limit what you can choose to say, and many other things.
This is also true; both parties suck horse penis.
or by keeping your clothes on when you have sex.Lmfao, what?
I fail to see the issue with dry fucking (having consensual sex with clothes on) if it's okay to wet fuck. Now you don't have to worry about getting the girl pregnant, yet you can still feel her body through her clothes.
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@oromagi
You are subtracting the 24% English fluency rate from the general pop but all Puerto Ricans study English in school so the overwhelming majority have reasonable English comprehension even if they speak Spanish by choice and are more fluent in Spanish.
Claiming that Puerto Ricans have reasonable English comprehension because they take the language in school and now some English is like saying America is fluent in Spanish because people learn it in school.
Pretty much every kid learned some English or Spanish worldwide in school. That doesn't mean they are fluent in the language. If more Puerto Ricans know English than any other language, than I would say Puerto Rico is an English speaking place. In the meantime, they should assiliminate to the English language.
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@bmdrocks21
If the vaccine protects the vaccinated, you'd figure pro lifers would want as many people to get vaccinated to save the most amount of lives. But the ones promoting vaccines are primarily pro choicers.
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@drlebronski
What matters isn't work, but production to others. If work was what mattered, people would get paid for beating video games since beating video games is hard. Yet unless someone pays you to beat a videogame, your not being productive to others and therefore if you beat a videogame in the vast majority of instances, you do not deserve to get paid for it.
We see something similar in income inequality. Jeff Bezos got rich by being productive to society. Do people that work harder contribute more to society? Generally, however it is not a given. Jeff Bezos contributes to society significantly more than any other Amazon worker by a long shot since the stock and the company he created contributes more to society than an individual worker does.
You could argue that collectively his workers contribute more to society than Jeff Bezos and if your correct, collectively his workers earn more per year than Jeff Bezos. But on an individual level, one Amazon worker contributes significantly less to society than Jeff Bezos does, so they get paid significantly less.
If a worker wishes to contribute more to society in order to earn more money, there are millions of high paying out of highschool jobs they can get. If they get these jobs, they will be more productive to their society and they will earn more as a result.
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@Reece101
How would most chicks get turned off by a big dick? I thought girls generally liked a big dick.
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@Greyparrot
Most Americans trust the political elites in DC that they share the same party as. Democrats trust AOC and Biden. Republicans trust Rand Paul and Trump. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/vaccination-rates-lag-communities-color-due-hesitancy-experts/story?id=77272753 states that the reason why minorities aren't getting the vaccine is because they have a harder time getting one since many don't own a car and don't feel like walking the far distance to get a vaccine. They aren't hesitant, they just can't get a vaccine.
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@TheMorningsStar
It was like 10 pages but I caught their first argument. Their first argument was the term, "homosexuality" wasn't invented until the 1800s. However, these same people often claim the Bible was referring to pedophilia. But the term "pedophilia" wasn't invented until around the same time. So saying that the verse couldn't be talking about homosexuality is like saying the verse couldn't have been talking about pedophilia, because neither term was invented back when the Bible was being written.
But it's possible the verses that condemned homosexuality weren't referring to homosexuality. We can't be sure.
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@bmdrocks21
Do you think that murder and getting someone sick on accident who ends up dying is the same thing?
No, and someone who accidentally kills someone from covid is not a murderer. However, I think abortion and covid deaths are both preventable by getting vaccinated in the case of covid and by either abstinence, contraception, or by keeping your clothes on when you have sex. If one wishes to do whatever it takes to end abortion (which is a preventable form of death) then one should be consistent and do whatever it takes to end deaths from other causes (like covid).
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@bmdrocks21
I fail to see how I'm strawmaning. So many GOP commentators have advocated against vaccines which is why a majority of republicans aren't vaccinated. I don't agree with vaccine mandates for any age group, but you'd figure if you want childbirth to be mandatory you'd also push for vaccienes to be mandatory and if you were pro choice, you wouldn't care if others get the vacciene.
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@Theweakeredge
I'm confused as to what your saying.
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@Theweakeredge
You're going based on your own intepretation that therefore the entire church should be allowed to discriminate??? DO you not understand what kind of precedent that sets?
There are times when religion allows for things to be done that otherwise wouldn't be allowed. Religious freedom is how people go to heaven. If I had to pick between gay people getting a civil union or priests burning in hell for not following the bible the way they saw fit, I would pick the former.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I don't want a marriage or a civil union. Both are too expensive and I don't want that commitment.
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@SkepticalOne
It wasn't until the last 100 years or so that the word 'homosexuality' started appearing in the Bible.
I'm unsure about that.
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@Dr.Franklin
This is a ridiculously stupid idea. Especially since your a libertarian, people who believe that the government shouldnt facilitate this type of things.
The cost of this idea would be less than 1% of the annual US military budget.
no need to import 2 million puetro ricans for noting, plus most peurto ricans dont care for the "better opportunity" most immigrants are on welfare
This is false; they fled PR's high taxes.
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@oromagi
80% of Puerto Ricans living in Puerto Rico don't know English and this is a problem. The virgin islands are too small to be a state. PR and the US VI should merge.
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@Theweakeredge
First of all, the entire spreadsheet is based on ALL homicide rate, which isn't related to gun related homicide
73% of homicides in the US are gun homicides(https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081), so it's safe to say that the homicide rate not changing would cause the gun homicide rate to not change as well.
A 2013 study by a group of public health researchers examined the relationship between the overall strength of a state’s gun laws and rates of gun deaths in the state and found that states with stronger gun laws had lower rates of gun deaths than states with weaker gun laws.
There are lurking variables that explain this. States with stronger gun control tend to be less in poverty and tend to act more European and Canadian in nature(whereas the other states tend to be more redneck). States with stronger gun control laws tend to have a less rebellious population and since a tiny portion of self identified rebels commit homicide, this helps explain why states with less rebel culture (which also tend to be the states with the most amount of gun control) tend to have less homicide. States with more gun control tend to be less in poverty, and poor people are more likely to commit murder. It's not the gun control that reduced the homicide rate, but other lurking variables such as poverty (which is very common in the South where homicide is the most common), a desire to rebel that gets played out in the extreme with homicide, a redneck culture of rebellion rather than a Canadian culture of obedience, and other lurking variables.
you are expecting a linear decrease from the instance of implementing specific laws, but fail to account for any other variables.
If one state doesn't see their homicide rate decrease from gun control, then it's possible that there were lurking variables associated with that. When over a dozen states implemented some form of gun control and none of them see a decrease in homicide, then lurking variables probably won't factor into the result.
When Connecticut implemented this requirement, gun-related homicides in the state fell 40 percent; when Missouri eliminated this requirement, gun homicides increased 26 percent. And research conducted by Everytown for Gun Safety, a nonprofit gun violence prevention advocacy group, found that states that require universal background checks for all handgun sales have significantly lower rates of intimate partner gun homicides of women, law enforcement officers killed by handguns, and gun-related suicides.
This is false and my sources to prove this are in my spreadsheet.
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@Vader
Your evidence is anecdotal, and unless you looked at their dick, you wouldn't know.
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@Vader
Evidence? I think people with small dicks tend to keep it to themselves.
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@Theweakeredge
it says that men who lie with children go to hell
I don't know how that interpretation of the bible fits. It was clearly referring to homosexuality.
I don't judge gay people, just like I don't judge atheists, but their activity is sinful and that should be known. There is a difference between calling something sinful and judging. Sins are what God deems immoral. Something worthy of judgement is what the individual deems is immoral. You think certain things are immoral that I think are moral and vice versa. I don't think homosexuality is immoral, but it's sinful.
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@Theweakeredge
@drlebronski
Gun control is terrible. Banning "assault weapons" and implementing background checks does not reduce the homicide rate and the BoP of banning anything rests on the authoritarian. Guns are no exception. If you cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that banning any type of gun and implementing any gun control measure will reduce the homicide rate, then gun control should not exist. I have evidence that confirms that gun control does not reduce the homicide rate so it is nothing but pushing control policies that don't do any good and that only restrict(https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11yflOMimI67xOmbzx3E_f6x0MlweEgjkwUpmJ8Ww8Ug/edit).
I also realize that the pursuit of limited government can't end with guns. It also ought to be applied with immigration, abortion, vaccines, school choice, drugs, and more.
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Pop swap definition: sending a native born of place A to place B and sending a native of place B to place A.
My idea is to implement a 4 million person pop swap between the US and Puerto Rico. This means that 2 million consenting Puerto Ricans move to the US and 2 million consenting Americans move to Puerto Rico. The purpose of this is to assiliminate the Puerto Ricans who move to the US by exposing them to anglophones and to make Puerto Rico into a more American, anglophone place by sending 2 million English speakers there which can set up PR becoming a state in the near future.
People would consent to the idea by them being offered enough money to move from PR to the US or vice versa. Puerto Ricans would want the better opportunity in the US, Americans would want the tropical climate in PR. Statehood for the island and privatization of government companies would reduce costs for the people in PR whether they be Anglophone of Hispanophone.
This I think can benefit everyone involved.
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Who do you think it is? I'm biased, so I'm going to claim that I have the biggest dick on DART.
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@Wylted
While these individual blacks were assholes for not calling for help or anything, the vast majority of blacks don't mock drowning people.
Why is there an epidemic of this in the black community?
There isn't; it was merely a few black people. We have all done edgy stuff in our lives.
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@Polytheist-Witch
People marry for all kinds of reasons and some don't involve children.
Why would you marry if you don't want kids? Why not just have a boyfriend or girlfriend if you like sex?
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@SkepticalOne
Churches which support gay humans don't think they are violating their own religion
But the bible opposes homosexuality in half a dozen verses.
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@n8nrgmi
u r just ignoring everyone
I'm not ignoring everyone; I merely don't understand the argument. If an unmovable object came into contact with an unstoppable force, either the force will be stopped or the object will be moved.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Currently, if you are a US citizen, you pay anywhere from 16.2% to 43.2% of your income to the government. Everyone gets a tax cut by replacing the income tax with a 14% necessity sales tax, a 20% luxury sales tax, and a 17% capitol gains tax. This amounts to an average sales tax of 14.6% and a capitol gains tax of 17%. If you don't own any stock, you don't pay the capitol gains tax. If you do, money isn't as big of an issue for you. But everyone in the nation saves money on their tax bill, from a minimum wage worker to a CEO. We are able to pay off the debt because we significantly increased the number of taxpayers, and this move quadrupled the tax revenue in the long term and increased it 9 fold 1 year after since the stock market would skyrocket with the huge influx of workers and business.
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@SkepticalOne
My marriage license didn't come from a church. Did yours?
I don't want to get married.
You're welcome to speak for your own church, but some churches - CHRISTIAN churches - marry gay folks.
This violates their religion. Churches shouldn't do things that violate their own religion.
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@Polytheist-Witch
If you don't want kids, why would you marry? Your only going to lose assets from the marraige if your the rich person in the marraige.
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@blamonkey
If atheists can get married
I don't know how atheists marry; Jews use a synagogue, Christians use a church, Muslims use a mosque, I'm sure Hindus have a way. Atheists could use a civil union just like the gays.
A court provides a marriage license to all couples, gay or otherwise, which acknowledges the marriage in the eyes of the law. Getting married without all the faff and B.S. does not reduce a marriage to a "civil union."
I don't know the difference between a civil union and a secular marriage.
You can support gay marriage and believe that private religious organizations should be able to refuse their services to gay people.
This is my position, but I think religious organizations should not only be allowed to refuse marriage services to gay people, but they SHOULD encourage gay people to get civil unions.
I'd be curious to know if you would extend this religious exemption to doctors, but that's already being done.
I wouldn't; gay people need doctors just like straight people. But medicine isn't a religious practice; religious marriages are.
A "good Christian" marriage used to involve a practice known as coverture in the early days of the American republic, which legally mandated husbands to subsume the rights and obligations of their wives. This meant that wives were unable to draw pay, husbands were obligated to defray their wives' debts, and husbands could legally beat their wives.
I don't think husbands should be allowed to beat their wives, but I don't think we have to worry about this being legalized.
I would argue that marriage isn't sacred, but it should serve a purpose; to bind people together so they can raise kids. If you are fine with having sex outside of marriage and you don't want kids, marriage would be a waste of money for you. Currently, marriages are too expensive, but I digress.
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@zedvictor4
Marriage is for the purpose of keeping a family together so they can raise kids. If you don't want kids and are willing to have sex outside of marriage, marrying is pointless for you.
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@Polyglot
Just want to point out here that a lot of homosexuals still tie themselves to a religion and want to be married within their religion. Just because someone is homosexual doesn’t automatically make them not apart of that religion.
Just like there are some Muslims that drink alcohol. If they want to drink, then fine, but don't expect the mosque to serve alcohol to you at a hypothetical mosque party. It's a similar situation for the church and homosexuality.
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@Greyparrot
Your source also conveniently leaves out that the most of the minorities in Democrat urban dystopias also haven't been vaccinated. Wonder why that is?
I fail to see the relevance; minorities tend to be pro choice. If the GOP is pro life, they should be pushing vaccines.
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@Tradesecret
God cannot make a rock so big he can't lift it.
Then he's not all powerful because he cannot create such a stone.
God does not will to do them
This is irrelevant. The question is, "Can God do it?"
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@Theweakeredge
the bible actually doesn't say anything about "burning in hell for marrying gay people"
The bible says that men who practice homosexuality shall not enter the kingdom of god.
Jesus preached that you ought to not judge others for their "sins" because you are as guilty as they
The church doesn't judge gays for their sins; they merely don't want anything to do with the sinful activities of homosexual marriage.
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@Mesmer
I'd want the burden of proof to be pretty high for the prosecutors. Certainly, forcing them to pay for these children is a great start and may be sufficient.
Child support isn't enough as a father being absent in the home causes kids to suffer with school much more which leads to poverty and dropping out of highschool. You can't make him be with his kids as that leads to abuse. Sterilization + child support is the only decent way I think to punish deadbeat dads.
The problem with taking the kids away is that neither biological parent is going to raise the children now. The man didn't want them, and now the woman can't have them -- who will raise the children?
The kids would be set up for adoption and have a 96% chance of being adopted by a better family within 5 years.
However, young women are having roughly 80% more sex than young men young men driving the decline in sex - Bing images .
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Your source doesn't confirm this. It merely confirms that 82% of women had sex in the past year whereas 72% of men have. But unless a woman isn't a prostitute, she isn't having multiple sex partners, whereas it's common for a man to have multiple sex partners. So male sexuality is more variable than female sexuality.
I'm not sure how you get these women and men to stop being promiscuous in an age with birth control and condoms are readily available, especially when the stigma of out-of-wedlock sex is virtually nonexistent
Contraception has reduced unwanted pregnencies so contraception makes promiscuity less relevent due to the odds of an unwanted pregnency happening less and less.
With the sterilization, again I'd say I'd want the BoP to be quite high.
The BoP is easy to fufill and is high. If a woman gets pregnant and the father ditched her, that seems to be crystal clear evidence of the male being a deadbeat dad. I don't think women would get pregnant just to force a guy to stick with her because women who don't want to be mothers don't want to be pregnant.
Again, I'm just not sure sterilization is the way forward. It's super damaging to a person
I don't believe sterilization would be damaging.
How often will cases be his word against hers, without concrete evidence on either side?
I think a jury would decide who is in the wrong from the unwanted pregnency. If the female texts the guy stating that she is pregnant and the guy blocks her, then you know the guy is a deadbeat. Condoms often fail so if they had sex with a condom, it can be assumed to be a unwanted pregnency. I don't think women sperm jack someone. If you know your girlfriend wants a kid and you don't, don't have sex with her until you get sterilized. It works for me.
If you change your mind and decide you want children, how are you meant to have children if you have a vasectomy?
If a guy who gets a girl pregnant, ditches her, and wants kids again, he is free to re enter the relationship.
Step-parents are notoriously dreadful for children. I'm not saying that all adopted kids are treated poorly, but they're way more likely to be so.
I think this is a stereotype. I know a few adopted kids and they seem to be treated well. If people treat dogs well (who are also technically adopted), why would they treat an adopted human any worse?
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@Greyparrot
The vast majority are not anti-vax. They are anti MANDATORY vax.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/28/960901166/how-is-the-covid-19-vaccination-campaign-going-in-your-statestates that despite the vaccine being here for months, the majority of conservatives aren't fully vaccinated and I don't even think the majority are partially vaccinated as the people who are vaccinated in red states tend to be on the left.
Moreover consistent life ethic calls for mandatory vaccines. I don't think vaccines should be mandatory. But childbirth for fetuses also shouldn't be mandatory.
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@TheMorningsStar
Abortion bans are saying 'You cannot do X' while mask mandates are saying 'You must do Y'. These are entirely different, and thus require different moral considerations.
Abortion bans are, "If your pregnant, you must do X"(X=Childbirth). Mask mandates are, "If your a human, you must do Y"(Y=Wear a mask). I think the comparison is entirely accurate.
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