Vader

This kind of thing isn't helping your case, dude. I agree he's not fully confirmed, but given that he was the Reviver and the lack of the NK in DP1 (absent your trying to commit the kill and failing due to the RB) can currently only be explained through a role change on GP that either protected him or was used to protect someone else, I'd say GP is as solid town as it gets without absolute confirmation.

MyLO/LyLO

Normally I agree. However the circumstances of this game made me quick hammer using the role. For 1. we could easily afford a lynch in this DP, 2. We had enough preliminary info to get a mislynch. WF going after Wylted when wylted was gun hoe on Savant 

Explain.

Pie literally came up with a 3rd of us both being town that you simply are not reading into. You are so dead locked and not thinking critically about any of the actions of the other that could have been beneficial.

I also said it doesn’t make sense

Final thing before I go away. Put yourself in my shoes. My role expires at MYLO/LYLO.

Why are you saying this now? You had ample opportunity to say it yesterday but did not. Why? What’s the point in hiding the fact that you couldn’t use it at MyLO/LyLO

Why would I use a role that could send us to 3v2 or a 4v1. Versus one that sends us to a 6v1 or a 5v2. I played the role a lot more beneficially to town and if I were scum I would’ve saved it for this DP. Unless you think I’m actively shooting myself in the foot to try and gain town cred which at this point just take a hard look in the mirror.

Yes I know I probably rushed the vote and hammered too early. Looking back I honestly probably shouldn’t have done that. Tbh should’ve probably asked if I could just double vote at L-1 to spare any neg utility but tbh I was very confident in my savant read and maybe a bit too tunnel vision than I like to admit 

Or you’re scum.

I never acused you of being scum. In fact you are not in my scum reads. And didn't you agree with Wylted that shifting reads is town? 

That's what I got out of you saying "Seriously cmon let's think a bit more critically. Unless you and him are scum team" while being very aggressive against me. Also, I don't remember ever saying that shifting reads is town.

I should also note that your behavior here is completely in line with your scum meta. As town, you're overly apologetic for your mistakes, like in Shocking TV Moments. As scum, you become aggressive.

I'm not going to bother going line-by-line with the rest of your post because that would be a waste of time. Occam's Razor, basic role analysis, basic behavioral analysis, doesn't matter, they all point squarely at you.

It's complete garbage to do as a townie especially since he was yapping d1 about how my choice to choose hammerer was bad for town. Put simply, his decision to rush the day conflicts with his stated philosophy.

He also made several posts about how it could be a frame by mafia to implicate both himself and Savant. So claiming that he was "certain" Savant was scum is simply a provable lie.

But then you lazily threw it away just to vote for Savant when you knew I had a double voter role that I was going to use on Savant.

You're doing that thing you did in Years Mafia where you tried to accuse me of being scum based on one line of logic, then I effectively rebutted it, so you immediately pivot to a different line of logic. It's how I knew you were scum even before WF CC'ed you. I didn't consider Earth at all, except I did, so the actual reason I'm scum is that I didn't stay on him after it became clear that the wagon wasn't going anywhere, and I still clearly stated that I believed he was scum. Right.

Also, I appreciate the subtle deflection, making me seem sus for "basically putting Savant at L-1", but we ought not sus you for literally putting him at L-1, which conveniently for you, you didn't know would be a hammer, it was just a coincidence. How interesting.

Like I said, it's clear that mafia waived the NK to try and cause pandamonium. And it's working lmao. Earth then was the first to capitalize on it then for quite literally no reason besides saying, I didn't get roleblocked because I had a day action, and thus never got a notification

Occam's Razor. Do I believe that the mafia waived after seeing the town's only negative utility role get lynched, knowing he would be revived, stripped of neg utility status, and be confirmed town, and still decided to not kill anybody? Or do I believe that the scum team just screwed up their night actions? I'm leaning towards the second.

I meant to word it as he already used his role.

A.) How do you know that?

B.) This is not even close to what you said.

That seems a bit interesting to me. Wylted couldn't even use his role yet scum decided to kill him.

Explain.

There are multiple ways I can be town in this game. This game is 10x more broad than you think. Not even 1 consideration for Earth baiting and confusing town with Day Vig, then following it up with nothing susbtantive? Seriously cmon let's think a bit more critically. Unless you and him are scum team

Lol. As if I didn't vote for Earth last DP. As if I wasn't literally saying last DP that the scum team was you and Earth if Savant flipped town. Which he did. 

Not to mention, we know Savant was the role blocker and he targeted you. No NK. How do you explain that if you're town? 

There is no reason we should not lynch Vader today. After yesterday, I cannot see a way for him to be town. 

Well mafia knows that Austin was going to back from Grey's role, so no matter what they go to a 6v2. A risky gambit could be waiving an NK to fake a RB. Would very much work because of the nature of the game

It’s a massive risk because if Town Savant targets scum, they’re implicated

2) Savant is scum and scum waived NK to implicate Supa and gain another day. (This one doesn’t make much sense because GP was going to revive Austin)

3) Savant and Supa are both town and scum waived to create 2 mislynch opportunities. (This one doesn’t make sense because Savant could target scum and implicate them—way too risky)

I mean, I do remember Luna tends to be pretty forthcoming when it comes to giving information to scum, though then we're talking about giving scum some kind of investigative or passive information role, two Categories that are spoken for by townread players. It's possible whatever this would be would fall outside of the 9 Categories entirely, or that Luna just gave scum certain pieces of information separate from their roles, so I'm not ruling this out. I just can't say it's likely given what we know about the distribution of roles and their respective Categories.

See, the problem I have with this is that it implies scum have pretty detailed knowledge of the roles that weren't claimed yet

Why would scum sacrifice a night kill to "frame" a town member, when they could instead just guarantee they kill town at night? If it's to avoid getting lynched the next day, then that means I'm certainly not scum, because I'll def get lynched tomorrow if Vader flips town. Plus delaying kills of town gives town more time to do night actions and such.

So either Savant is lying through his teeth or I've been framed

How would you have been “framed”

Did you know there were still 9 people left in the game when you claimed or did you miss that and claim under the presumption that there were 7-8 people left?

Regardless, why start off the DP with your claim? The only explanation I see here is that you say there were "enough options and leeway" but I don't understand what you're getting at. What value did you see in claiming this early?

I didn't get a notification saying I was roleblocked so... no??? Lmao. So you are lying lmao. My role is used in the DP so why would I know I got roleblocked

Explain

My other roles were popular, politician, and 1x dark lord. All of which are "role confirmable," hence why I said I don't believe in the validity of role confirmations. Plus Dark Lord and Politicians had choices to switch the momentum of the game completely. It was between popular and politician and I just thought 1x Double Voter would not hurt town the most 

What do each of the 3 roles do?

You did implied it. If you have a day role, you can't get roleblocked.

So why are you sperging out about Savant rbing you? Thats why you didn't get a notification. That is, assuming you are town.

You, per #6

I am a 1x double voter. One time during the DP I can make my vote worth double. I just submit that I want to use it to Luna and boom it's done.

Are you wigging out or something? You have no night action. 

I didn't get a notifcation that I was roleblocked.

If you have a night phase action and get roleblocked, in almost every game you get a notification saying "you have been roleblocked" or "your action failed."

I didn't get a notifcation that I was roleblocked.