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When JoeBob dies, can we see his notations when he dies in the OP or no? This just seems pretty useless
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@JoeBob
Ok I am the flipped tracker. Every night I can choose someone to track. I can not see who that person visited until I die. Everyone can see the results if/when I die. I am algebraic notation, the moves we use to say what piece went where.When I die, the list will look like this:JoeBob's Notation Sheet // N1: Player A visits Player B // N2: Player C visits no one // N3: no moves notated
So is this shown to the town?
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@ILikePie5
I still need to analyze other behaviors first and we still have a lot of time left too. No need to rush into anything without input from some other people as well
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Alright I think I'm essentially caught up with everything and I am going to dissern some of my analysis. After this I'll probably be out for a couple hours. Doing a drug test for my internship + going to the gym + picking up my Mothers Day present, so I will be pretty busy but here are my things I noticed
JoeBob - I will say that JoeBob has acted differently than I normally see him act as town. He really isn't making a defense against Pie but instead is making psuedo reads and trying to draw some sort of pity from the town because of how hard Pie is pushing him. He's pointing out small chunks of Pie's main claim (which I will clarify I am not still 100% sold on with this grammar) and running with that to try and defend. To me it seems like he is responding to what benefits his defense versus responding to what fully Pie says. Then his character draws some suspicion. The two claimed are things you physically see on a chess board versus things that you "hypothetically" see on a chess board. I'm very hesistant to say that's the theme split, given with 3 character claims, but that would seem to align with my char.
Pie - I've stated my thoughts about Pie that I think he is being a bit overaggressive with his JoeBob push, and how I think that analyzing grammar is a forum game where the odds that someone doesn't use some form of past vs present correctly is high is a bit nit-picky and just seems to fish for some type of lynch, hence why I originally was thinking he was a 3P lyncher until that got disproven. I think the drastic shift in his aggressiveness can be seen as either A) he's town because he's being more aggressive with his lynch trains that he would as scum or B) he's scum because he's trying to deviate so hard from his last scum game to throw off town that they have to read him town for his aggressiveness. Pie would be the person to do B and if he remains alive I think suspicion should be drawn but I'm leaning more toward A
Whiteflame - Feels like his reads are town. Pulling out older games to look and bring the "devils advocate" out makes me believe he's more town. I think he's making the reads on everyone and giving relative town insight on this game for the most part. Trying to get actives to play, etc. Haven't really seen anything that deviates from how whiteflame plays. Looking for scum and analyzing theme is his usually town play. My only batshit theory that is likely not true is that JoeBob and him colluded to find their game they were scum together and make a defense about JoeBob being maticulate about that post, but even then I highly doubt that is the case because if one turns, then it forces a lot of pressure onto the other.
Pie - I've stated my thoughts about Pie that I think he is being a bit overaggressive with his JoeBob push, and how I think that analyzing grammar is a forum game where the odds that someone doesn't use some form of past vs present correctly is high is a bit nit-picky and just seems to fish for some type of lynch, hence why I originally was thinking he was a 3P lyncher until that got disproven. I think the drastic shift in his aggressiveness can be seen as either A) he's town because he's being more aggressive with his lynch trains that he would as scum or B) he's scum because he's trying to deviate so hard from his last scum game to throw off town that they have to read him town for his aggressiveness. Pie would be the person to do B and if he remains alive I think suspicion should be drawn but I'm leaning more toward A
Whiteflame - Feels like his reads are town. Pulling out older games to look and bring the "devils advocate" out makes me believe he's more town. I think he's making the reads on everyone and giving relative town insight on this game for the most part. Trying to get actives to play, etc. Haven't really seen anything that deviates from how whiteflame plays. Looking for scum and analyzing theme is his usually town play. My only batshit theory that is likely not true is that JoeBob and him colluded to find their game they were scum together and make a defense about JoeBob being maticulate about that post, but even then I highly doubt that is the case because if one turns, then it forces a lot of pressure onto the other.
Savant - I am not as gun hoe on policy lynching Miller's, but I would also like to know the connection between a pawn and miller. I also haven't seen enough of a behavior analysis to see if Savant
Moozer is likely town IMO. Seems like noob-ish thing to do is claim a character first. He also is implied to have some sort of protective role at first, so unless it get's CC'd, it just comes off as Moozer is noob town
Everyone else is likely null
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@ILikePie5
Role hints. I mean what Luna gave us in our game that it was Doctor or Cop in the game. But since he didn't specify in OP I don't think he did
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So here is what I will address ...
1. The hard push from Pie on JoeBob. To be clear I am still think this behavior is relatively an outlier for Pie. Especially for something as minuet as grammar structure. Pie can be harsh on a push and that is usually for some behavioral aspect. Which makes me think there is a few reasons as to why Pie is doing this. Please quote me if mod specified if any of these are wrong lol
A. Pie is town and is just playing a lot more aggressive than usual - honestly could see it. Salt from last game taking over lol
B. Pie is scum and is being a lot more aggressive this time than he was in the last game - could see it but I am not sure if it is viable. It could throw off some people because of how much of a deviation it is.
I read the OP and it said it was 7v2 layout so my option C I typed was invalid which was Pie was 3p lyncher
I read the OP and it said it was 7v2 layout so my option C I typed was invalid which was Pie was 3p lyncher
2. The Tracker??? Claim (he said Flipping but described a regular tracker). For what I looked up with Algebraic Notation, it seems like it's just describing how the pieces move to certain tiles, which makes sense for a tracker claim. You have to realize this game won't have as obvious of theme connections as a game like Invincible or other games like that. It will be pretty vague and honestly this works to a degree. There was also no indication in the DP that scum were given role hints, but that's not ruling out that they could've and austin didn't tell us.
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Ok so I'm at page 4 and there is a lot to dissect here so I am going to make a whole separate post about it versus replying to every little thing
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@ILikePie5
That’s fine, you’re entitled to your opinion but what are your thoughts on his role?
Haven't seen a role claim yet from where I am caught up on
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Algebraic Notation is a bit off for this theme I will say, but it doesn't necessarily deviate from what the theme split could be. I think I will wait to hear more claims to see how much of a deviation it is.
And yeah, I'm not necessarily buying Pie's logic either with the minuet details of grammar and all that to assume what Savant's affiliation is. I feel like past vs present tense is pretty easy to mess for a lot of people and I don't think it's enough of a beckoning point to try and look for a lynch. He also uses it as consistent logic throughout the entire page 3 so it just seems likes he's grasping for straws.
And yeah, I'm not necessarily buying Pie's logic either with the minuet details of grammar and all that to assume what Savant's affiliation is. I feel like past vs present tense is pretty easy to mess for a lot of people and I don't think it's enough of a beckoning point to try and look for a lynch. He also uses it as consistent logic throughout the entire page 3 so it just seems likes he's grasping for straws.
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I'm not really sure on Pie's initial reads on JoeBob and it being "crafted." On one hand, I think this mildly deviates from his play last game as scum but I also don't think I've seen him use the word phrase logic.
Needless to say I am a bit skeptical. No offense but I feel like you mean the same thing when you are talking about past vs present tense. It's forum mafia and grammar is not on my first priority in this game. I don't think JoeBob has the capacity to carefully craft sentences to distinguish past versus present tense
Needless to say I am a bit skeptical. No offense but I feel like you mean the same thing when you are talking about past vs present tense. It's forum mafia and grammar is not on my first priority in this game. I don't think JoeBob has the capacity to carefully craft sentences to distinguish past versus present tense
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I would like to say I am not as pro policy lynching Miller as I used to be. I also don't think he should be blindly town read for claiming that role. There needs to be some form of behavioral analysis or some other actions that can verify him as town and if that's the case, we have no reason to lynch him
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@Moozer325
Shouldn't have revealed that information for future reference
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@whiteflame
Yep it went overall so that's all we can ask for end of the day
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@Savant
That’s good that you said it now. If you kept it hidden til DP2 it would likely draw a lot of suspicion on you for waiting on that claim
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Pies normal meta is pushing new players and asking experience so there is nothing off about that play. Earth one is what he tends to do as well. Usually picks a townie and forces them to be active
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@whiteflame
Hectic. Just moved out of school and back home for the summer and getting ready to move back into my summer house for 10 weeks so a bit hectic
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Hello! Sorry for the inactivity. Gonna catch up and give my thoughts
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@Barney
Fuck you are right lol. Hindsight is a killer but I totally forgot that he was some form of a space cop
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@whiteflame
Appreciate it. Honestly, I get it with the Damien claim. I had a strong gut feeling that Barney was Damien towards the end of DP1, but I was still between five characters that I felt could be his before he claimed, so any of those could have been it.
I also just dug myself way too big of a hole and limited my selection by pointing out those justifications. I used it to build up town cred for theme analyzing. It was then going to be used to justify Barney’s lynch in DP2 or DP3. I also was going to see if someone claimed someone like Robot as Vanilla and hard push
I think I just over thought it.
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I claimed Damien because I already claimed my char was based on power, and barney already claimed his was on personality. I knew he could've been Damien Darkblood but looking at WF and then JoeBob claims and how the human (to a degree) had roles related to personality. So I thought it was likely that he could be Cecil or William, Damien was the only one I could claim at that point and town just got lucky. No one on town besides WF, Barney, and Austin to a degree played good and just bandwagon.
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I would also like to point out that Barney lied about his role justification. He claimed that his role was based on “the actions” of the character but his role is based on the powers of the character
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Since I’ve been CC’d and likely am lynches, I implore town to think much more critically. Yes I understand my CC implies me as scum, but there was literally Barney and I yet to claim and out of all the characters he just so happens to CC my character? Think about every behavior mechanic your read had and role connection. Why would JOAT make sense for Damien Darkblood? It really wouldn’t.
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@AustinL0926
What’s there to argue. It’s a 50/50 at this point. It’s whether you believe Barney or me. There’s really nothing else to defend. I’ve already stated my piece that it’s likely that Barney knew that there’s some mechanic that let scum win if they mislynch and that’s why he CC’d. In a pool of multiple characters and he’s the last he just so happens to CC me out of all the options.
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So it looks like GP can send 0 out. GP has to do this tonight for town to have a chance unless there's a hidden mechanic with scum that give them a double kill.
It's a 1v1 between me and Barney at this point. We have to get this right or else it is going to be a 2v1 scenario. If we don't lynch Barney (well I know that Barney is the second scum)
It's a 1v1 between me and Barney at this point. We have to get this right or else it is going to be a 2v1 scenario. If we don't lynch Barney (well I know that Barney is the second scum)
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@Barney
You would likely know as well, since you are in the same scum groupchat >XD
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There is also a role hint also that town have to take into an account as well. Maybe this role hint has to do with a game mechanic that only scum would know that would likely end the game for them. We do know there was a hint given to mafia. I would say to town think very carefully about this and who we put our vote on.
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In theory does scum win next DP. If there is a mislynch today it's 5v2. If Austin dies and then the NK happens, it's a 3v2. But doesn't that also mean that GP has to die because if he uses his probes, everyone will be visited and by POE he dies? Am I missing something
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JoeBob
Austin
Essentially confirmed town at this point IMO
Grey and WF
Strong town
We have a 67% chance of hitting scum out of this pile here
Pie
Barney
BK
Austin
Essentially confirmed town at this point IMO
Grey and WF
Strong town
We have a 67% chance of hitting scum out of this pile here
Pie
Barney
BK
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Aight, I was gonna hold off on claiming, but I'm gonna just say I can back WF up to a bit.
I'm Damien Darkblood. I'm the Cop. Last night got an innocent on him. I know, this is deja vu from last game where I chose WF, but this time I'm down to 2 other people trying to lynch and since he claimed a character and was a top town read, I wanted to confirm him as town at this point to narrow the POE. If the results were monkeyed with, GG
I'm Damien Darkblood. I'm the Cop. Last night got an innocent on him. I know, this is deja vu from last game where I chose WF, but this time I'm down to 2 other people trying to lynch and since he claimed a character and was a top town read, I wanted to confirm him as town at this point to narrow the POE. If the results were monkeyed with, GG
I also know Luna has had a history with flavored cops so wanted to make sure. We narrow down the scum pile a bit to a POE of ...
Pie
Barney
BK
Barney
BK
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So WF claims the first vanilla. I think since it's the first vanilla claim it's relatively easy and it's of a human character, which is Vanilla.
This means Barney's role justification is the only one out of the story that isn't based on powers. JoeBob is Oliver Grayson, and in the show, there is only an one second shot of him and there is no way he could have powers. He also have no special abilities yet from what I recall. Barney has a role and it's based on what happens with the character
I want a Barney claim asap.
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So Barney wasn't visited at all by anyone. This leads me to be a bit more suspicious of Barney right now than I was
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@Greyparrot
Kate 1 sent to savant! Kate 2 Sent to Whiteflame! Kate 3 Sent to Joebob! Kate 4 sent to Barney! Kate 5 sent to Best.Korea!Kate 1 detects motion and is dead! Kate 2 detects motion and is dead! Kate 3 detects motion and is dead! Kate 5 detects motion and is dead! You have one Kate remaining (Kate 4).
Ok so this just puts more suspicion on Barney more than anything at this point
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@Greyparrot
Lol, no. You are the second scum that hammered exactly when I predicted Pie would tell you to do so.
If that's the only explanation you have, I won't either bother trying to talk to you because that's about as useful to me as a penny in a gucci store
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@Greyparrot
Can you please give some form of an explanation as to why you are voting Pie and have a suspicion on me versus just doing it. If you're gonna help town and be taken seriously, please at least give some more of info
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So Austin is assumedly town and was telling the truth about his role. Savant being dead is also interesting plus the fact he was also janitored, something that BK mentioned early for one of his reasons not to vote. Very very interesting.
Right now it seems the POE is
Whiteflame
Barney / Pie
BK
Pie goes on the same playing field as Barney. It looks like Austin's had honest opinions, but we still can't just blindly follow him. It role confirms him but not affiliation confirmed. In fact there was a game of Luna's where a scum player was immune til DP3 and automatically dies after. But that's hard to say since JoeBob is inno child
Right now it seems the POE is
Whiteflame
Barney / Pie
BK
Pie goes on the same playing field as Barney. It looks like Austin's had honest opinions, but we still can't just blindly follow him. It role confirms him but not affiliation confirmed. In fact there was a game of Luna's where a scum player was immune til DP3 and automatically dies after. But that's hard to say since JoeBob is inno child
But let's get results
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There is 30 min left in the DP and I am going on a call in a bit to finish my project
There's 2 things here.
1) Austin is telling the truth and he is a Bleeder. Cool. We get his insight DP2 and we have more insight
2) Austin is lying and he's scum.
2) Austin is lying and he's scum.
There is no reason to not lynch Austin at this point in the game. I think he's been very aggressive as a whole and defensive. Yes I get what he says, but he shouldn't be getting this defensive as a Bleeder when he literally has a whole 'nother DP too. I think he's being very jumpy on reads until he was called out by it from certain town members and that's when he doubled down on Pie. He was sus of Savant, BK, and Pie. He was the pioneer of a mass lynch train yet complained when it happened to him. I think his over defensiveness for a role he will still likely be alive for is pretty fishy and deserves a lynch. The worst that comes out is for some reason he lies about Bleeder and he's like some investigative role. The 2 possible conclusions are 1, he's town confirmed and we have 2 town confirmed people giving opinions, narrowing the pool down, or 2) he's scum and lied and we get scum. What's their to lose? VTNL'ing? Stupid as fuck right now. We can't vtnl. We need every form of information we can get from the DP. No lynching does nothing. My behavior analysis has been scummy on Austin.
I was fine with either him or BK. I read enough of Austin's post that we don't lose too much lynching him
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@whiteflame
I think the best bet is to lynch Austin and confirm his role. This to me would put Pie back in the POE for sure. Right now from a character perspective and what info we do have, I think mechanically it would be difficult to put Pie in my POE right now. I think DP2 depending on Austin's turn he's back in for behavior.I'm personally just at a roadblock between Pie. Maybe I am overthinking (which is likely), but the fact that off of a role hint alone with only 1 claimed character, he had the balls to claim Mark, I mean, damn. That's the only barrier from preventing me from going at Pie. It's just a big claim with no CC to it while being the first member (besides GP) to do so, makes it so hard for me to read him as scum. Not to mention I think Pie as scum tends to play it a bit more safe with claims.I do wonder, is there a Luna game where he was scum? I think looking back at that could be helpfulI see your point. I also have a hard time believing that Pie would be that ballsy with his claim. I have the same reservations about BK - it's not like Atom Eve is a particularly safe claim with several people left in the game who haven't character claimed.
That's why I lean toward Austin more than BK. Hence why I didn't pull trigger on BK
Honestly, the more we keep going back and forth on this, the more resigned I feel to the Austin lynch. I still can't say I buy that he's scum, but PoE alone puts him in a bad position, and he might just be more helpful to us after he's confirmed town and we run through a NP.
Yep I think so. Idk how much time but after dinner and such I'm gonna think it over
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MY POE going into the end of DP1. Please note this could change once we get info DP2. This is order on who I most townread to scum read the most
Pie
Whiteflame
Savant
Austin / BK on the same field at the moment
Savant is the only one I haven't had deep analysis on but fmpov he just moves into the FoS because of whiteflame to me being more town read IMO. I also think him being on a lot of the wagons is a bit suspicious. When I first played mafia and was mafia back on DDO, I used to hop on every wagon known to man to try and get a vote. But at the same time he's not at the top of the scum list because I think his analysis and taking some analysis from other games, like Town of Salem, etc, make me feel he's new trying to use his analysis he knew about other games into forum mafia
Pie
Whiteflame
Savant
Austin / BK on the same field at the moment
Savant is the only one I haven't had deep analysis on but fmpov he just moves into the FoS because of whiteflame to me being more town read IMO. I also think him being on a lot of the wagons is a bit suspicious. When I first played mafia and was mafia back on DDO, I used to hop on every wagon known to man to try and get a vote. But at the same time he's not at the top of the scum list because I think his analysis and taking some analysis from other games, like Town of Salem, etc, make me feel he's new trying to use his analysis he knew about other games into forum mafia
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@whiteflame
It's PoE, not scumreading. I don't scumread what you've done so far, I just recognize that there are limited choices. We have one confirmed player, two players who claim to be confirmable, and a claimed Doc. That leaves four, and of those four, Vader is the one I have the most solid townread on behaviorally (that seems like a widely-held opinion), and I have decided to set Barney aside for the DP due to a gutread of the situation. That leaves you and Austin. I have more trouble with seeing Austin's choices so far as scummy, but I think he's the safer bet.
I think the best bet is to lynch Austin and confirm his role. This to me would put Pie back in the POE for sure. Right now from a character perspective and what info we do have, I think mechanically it would be difficult to put Pie in my POE right now. I think DP2 depending on Austin's turn he's back in for behavior.
I'm personally just at a roadblock between Pie. Maybe I am overthinking (which is likely), but the fact that off of a role hint alone with only 1 claimed character, he had the balls to claim Mark, I mean, damn. That's the only barrier from preventing me from going at Pie. It's just a big claim with no CC to it while being the first member (besides GP) to do so, makes it so hard for me to read him as scum. Not to mention I think Pie as scum tends to play it a bit more safe with claims.
I do wonder, is there a Luna game where he was scum? I think looking back at that could be helpful
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@ILikePie5
Right now I think Austin is being extra defensive at this point for a character who can literally confirm himself in this DP. It comes off a bit off to me and not really what I have seen even if he said he's changing the meta. I also think the meta of "lynch me or ___" is inherently scummy because you give a 50/50 to make a lynch where you just buy scum another DP to plan endgame. I'm taking a deep dive on Austin and BK but I think Austin will end up being the lynch. I probs won't hammer til the last minute however, due to my belief that a DP should be extensive and as long as possible. I also think Austin is our best target because he can confirm himself and still give insight on town.
If he flips town, I do take what he says with a bit more consideration with regards to you and his beliefs. I'd have to do a deep behavioral dive, which, sigh, I guess I am willing too if Austin tells the truth.
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Got out of a meeting but may have to go back into it depending. Anyway gonna give my last reread and thoughts
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Also quick note in about 30min-ish I will be heading over to a meeting that should take about an hour, 1hr 1/2 so I probs won't be active during that time
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@Barney
BK…says his behavior is all a tactic to not get night killed even while claiming doctor, but it’s still utter shit.He’s even arguing we shouldn’t think at all and just murder someone quickly before they can respond (complete bastard move; people should have a chance to defend themselves per the spirit of the game).
This sticks out like a sore thumb to me with BK's behavior. I've been saying that his behavior and trolling hasn't been the usual norm of trolling that he usually does. I'm honestly fine with lynching either him or Austin at this point consider what I totally overlooked with Oliver Grayson being inno child and that relating to my theory
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