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I’m on my phone atm cuz my wifi on my computer is acting up 
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Not lonely, likely I mean
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@Savant
Grey isn’t “confirmed” by any means. Sure he is lonely town but JoeBob is actually confirmed.

Grey just did it because Pie had been scum the last few games and was doing it as troll while JoeBob just did it because of “activity” and not on reads. I’m not saying they are scum, but I think the people who pushed the logic and buddying have a reason to be FoS at this moment 
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Pie’s role as a Commuter makes sense for Mark Grayson aka Invincible. Commuter can not be targeted in the Np by any action, hence they are “Invincible,” I buy the claim as it matches decently well to the character, enough to where I can believe it unless any CC comes out
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I was just about to post that Pie should claim his role instead of drawing this out but he just claimed
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Also Pie being defensive and not claiming a role yet is pretty town from him especially if he has a power role. He literally was in a game where he was clearly the only person left to possibly be a cop and kept denying it to the very end 
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@Best.Korea
We already know scum was given some type of character claim hint, so I am not really happy with mere character claim here, since it tells us nothing.
Wrong. It was a role claim hint according to the DP? Unless you know there was a character hint as well that wasn't specified in the DP? Which would make you scum
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Gonna give my reads at the moment.

Right now town confirmed and only town confirmed
JoeBob

Lean Town
Pie 
Grey

Null
Whiteflame (null ATM)
Savant (trending town but wagon made me switch to null)

FoS
Austin
BK
Barney

Austin, Barney, BK are in my FOS pile for each reason

Austin is in my FoS pile because his drastic switch from Barney to Pie in less than 5 posts is somewhat suspicious to me. His spearheading of that to deviate attention away from Barney seems constructed to try and find a claim that would work. I think it's a bit tunnel vision for the most part and I think it might be a bit scummy. 

BK is in my FoS because he seems to just be buddying off the confirmed townie. This is the optimal play for scum to latch onto because "oh it's a town player oh I will take their insight to not draw suspicion. He didn't give a clear analysis at all on his reason and from what I seen, deviate from how I see him play mafia

Barney is slight in my FoS but that could be me paranoid about the last game where he didn't read and slipped and town completely missed it. I think maybe he thought he could do the same. Plus a lot of his posts reek of how he was last time as mafia. Unconfrontational and keeping off to the side while posting charts. 

This is just a base analysis though 
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@JoeBob
What was your reasoning for Pie over Barney?
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@Savant
It's a 50/50 on whether Lunatic doesn't. It isn't a consistent enough of a pattern that I can read into it deeper, but it is something to take note. Nonetheless I think we should stop worrying about Pie at the moment. Focus attention onto Barney and make a decision based on that

I do want to see Pie roleclaim at some point. It just sucks that Grayson was outed because if he is telling the truth (which I'm inclined to do), then we likely lose a key role 
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@AustinL0926
I'm going to be honest and say I really have nothing other than a very strong gut feeling that Pie intuited the fakeclaim, e.g.:

"Mafia were not directly given fake claims! However I did give them a very strong hint to a role claim, and it is an open set up, so they will have a list of characters to choose from that may exist in this game."
Lunatic has a history of not giving protags and strong characters and town. E.g. in Stormlight Archives he gave arguably the two main characters, Kaladin and Jasnah, as fakeclaims. In MMA mafia he gave boxing and JJ for mafia, for Ozark he gave the entire flipping Byrde family.
This is interest, but again I have games pointed out where he has MC's in the game that were not fake claims. In Dark Crystal the MC was there, and in Ozarks, the main characters were quite literally scum as well, so he does give out MC's in his games. It's too 50/50 and that too point out. Also when you look it says role claim. Not thematic claim but a role claim. This means they likely know a mechanic about the game, not whether or not a character is in the game, so I have a tough time following your logic

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@Savant
Oh ok I see. 

Well I guess we will wait to see Austin's defense. I saw what he said the reasons for Pie and I just find it really weird that he switched so quick. 

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@Savant
For future reference I don't think you can edit posts once you post them
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@Savant
I was on the push, so I'm one to talk. But since Austin was the one who accused Pie in the first place, do you retract your accusation? Or do you challenge the claim
I'm a bit confused? Maybe I confused but are you asking if because you were on the train and I said I slightly town read you that I will take back my claim? Or something else because I have an answer
Austin might be sus for pushing, but I'd like to see what he has to say in his defense first.

Edit: Just saw Austin's reply.


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@AustinL0926
Unless you are going to counterclaim Pie then I would see no reason as to not believe this
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Unless we get a CC, that is about as protag you can get in this game for sure.

JoeBob
Pie 
Grey

likely town. Unless a CC happens with Pie, then this is town pile

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The hard push on Pie on that claim to reveal char over Barney makes me sus Barney. 
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There was quite literally no reason to push for a Pie claim at this point when we decided on Barney. Unless Pie is CC'd, it's a damn strong claim. Scum had to be on that push
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@Best.Korea
Just because Joe is essentially town and Grey is a lean town, I wouldn't say you automatically trust what they do. Reminder that town are wrong sometimes.
I put my trust in confirmed town players over any other players.

Everyone can be wrong, but only confirmed town players cant be scum, so less likely to feed us false logic.

I agree that they are likely to be telling the truth about what they actually say versus lying, but I also don't think we should buddy their logic fully.
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@whiteflame
Luna's theme split is protag vs antag in OP. Though it may come down to his interpretation of antag. Omni Man could be considered an antag or a protag imo from what I see. We just know what Luna said in general. My generation was also just to see also if there was anyone lying about a character
Ah, must've missed that for some reason. Yeah, if Omni-Man is in the game, it's going to be a little more difficult to determine where he resides on that scale, but the other antagonists you listed are pretty cut and dried.


Exactly. Let's also note that mafia were given a "strong" hint about roles too. Don't think we can fully trust any claim unless we test it or mod confirmed.
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Gonna read Pie and see why people are eager to jump. I think this is mafia constructing a mislynch and causing confusing fmpov
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@Best.Korea
Can anyone clarify why this is a thing?
I would vote anyone Joe or Gp tell me to. 
Not sure about that. Just because Joe is essentially town and Grey is a lean town, I wouldn't say you automatically trust what they do. Reminder that town are wrong sometimes. Look at what happened to me in the last mafia game. Not as simple as do-rey-me
Also, I think pie needs to claim.

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I'm a bit confused in the drastic switch between Pie and Barney. It is a bit random that in just one DP of activity the consensus just suddenly shifted. It almost as if Austin tried to do a switch from Barney to Pie. I'm not saying to not pressure Pie, but isn't a bit suspicious that it happened so quick?
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@whiteflame
Luna's theme split is protag vs antag in OP. Though it may come down to his interpretation of antag. Omni Man could be considered an antag or a protag imo from what I see. We just know what Luna said in general. My generation was also just to see also if there was anyone lying about a character
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@Savant
From the time I read this there is 3/5 votes on Barney. I'm refraining from casting a vote per chance mafia quick fire a lynch on him when he's at L1
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Since there is a defined theme split in this game of protag and antag. I think we can come to a conclusion on who is likely a protag vs antag and who I can see being a borderline

Protag
Andressa
Amber Bennett (despite a lot of peoples disliking toward her I think she's protag)
William Clockwell
Bulletproof
Debra Grayson
Art Rosenbaum
Atom Eve
Rus Livingston
Shrinking Rae
Cecil Stedman
Monster Girl
Black Samson
The immortal
Rex-Splode
Robot
Shapesmith
Damien Darkblood
Allen the Alien
Invincible
Dupli-Kate

Antag
Kursk
Salamander
Komodo Dragon
The Mauler Twins
Supreme Lizard
Killcannon
General Kregg
Omni Man
Thragg



There are some grey areas too, so I highlight some who could be seen as antag's and are grey areas



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@whiteflame
Suffice it to say that I'm going to wait and see if we can verify it during the NP, since that seems plausible given the claim.
Fair enough and the optimal play
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Savant's thinking outside the box is interesting. I know he's not "new" to mafia, but it comes off as scum hunting a bit, which I do like
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@whiteflame
I'd forgotten that she had a brother (name was Multi-Paul - gotta love those puns).

That's... an interesting role. I guess that means you can always hold back one Kate just to prevent yourself from dying from using them. It's pretty weak on the informational front, since you are functionally only able to receive information that someone was or wasn't visited in the night. It makes sense for the character, sure, but it's also odd that Luna would go through the trouble to say that he carefully balanced the game, sometimes at the expense of a role making sense for the character, then go out of his way to create a role specifically for this character. 

I think it's a bit odd and very specific, but also I think it would be an extremely balsy fake claim to make up and try and justify, which makes me lean more town on it
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Putting Grey in my likely town pile because of it. It's way too deep of a role explanation for him to just conjure up in that time he had to post. It makes me read town on him
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Grey's role is way to specific for him to fake claim off  the bat. 
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@Savant
Good thought though. I like thinking outside the box
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@Savant
This is a pretty useless method. A lot of people usually keep discord running in the back even if they are not in mafia. Trying to do this meta is essentially pointless
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@whiteflame
Comic knowledge won't be important according to OP. Thank goodness because I haven't read the comics in forever and forgot 1/2 of what happens after S2
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Hello. Familiar with the theme so I hope I can help out, but there are some very vague character lines for protag and antag, and some, based off S2, clear defined ones. So theme analysis might honestly be more difficult but still. 

JoeBob being innocent helps.
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Predicting the Future...

Besides the analysis of the app itself, wouldn't you know it, the ban passed through congress

IMO, the banning of this app is unconstitutional, but I think TikTok need reforms for the app for different reasons
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Oh fuck they heard us...
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@whiteflame
Appreciate that. Honestly, haven’t had many opportunities to function in the capacity of someone who is widely townread trying to lead a lynch. Clearly still have work to do on that front.
Fair point. It's definitely daunting to do so, and you won't always be right when trying to lead a lynch. It also doesn't help that mafia goes dead than alive in spurts, so it's hard to get practice 

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@whiteflame
No need to apologize. Mafia can get very intense and sometimes battles can occur with logic and reasoning. That's just how it is and I don't look at anyone differently after a game. I definitely have made the mistake of being too tunnel vision and it being backfired in my face before.

My cop claim definitely was not optimal either and I can see why it was a figure for suspicion. Bit of rust and jumping the gun, there was some fault on my end too
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Hopefully we can get some more to sign up for Luna's game. I actually really like the theme and can contribute a bit more to analysis. Plus S2 was awesome
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@ILikePie5
I gave up because it was pointless to try and convince the entire town that I was town, as it was essentially known I was gonna be lynch at some point no matter what. Even so, I am going to defend how I behaviorally played this game because I still think if Whiteflame wasn't a confirmed town, he would've been top of my scum list because of how unusually tunnel vision he was. 
The tunnel vision isn’t affiliation indicative in itself. It’s mainly just confirmation bias
Hindsight yes. But even if there is a strong read on someone I feel like at a MYLO you have to do more than just tunnel vision one person. You have to genuinely think critically which is what I tried to do until I realized there's no point lol
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@WyIted
Barney and Austin
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@JoeBob
Yea but won’t that hurt in the long run? If he’s mafia he has to stick with that fake claim for several days, most likely exposing him somehow.
100%. 
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I gave up because it was pointless to try and convince the entire town that I was town, as it was essentially known I was gonna be lynch at some point no matter what. Even so, I am going to defend how I behaviorally played this game because I still think if Whiteflame wasn't a confirmed town, he would've been top of my scum list because of how unusually tunnel vision he was. 
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In hindsight, I should not have outted to cop results in DP2 right away. I was in a rush to get results since my mom was in town and didn't think twice about it at the end of the day and felt it was just better to be honest. I even acknowledged that in DP2. 
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@ILikePie5
Fixed the title to say endgame by the way
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@AustinL0926
You played a very good game as scum. I was town reading you on DP2 until it came down to POE in DP3 and even by then, I was more confident that Wylted was an Electrician and there wasn't a solid read on him versus you, so I think you did a very good job.
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Lmao
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@Barney
@whiteflame
@Best.Korea
@WyIted
Honestly just hammer now. I did enough explanation and since no one will think logically it's better to just end the game now 
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