Vader

I think that Earth and Savant are my top lynch targets I'm fine with either but if I'm choosing I think Savant off more behavior but I also think that Earth's claim is a bit more scummier than Savant's behavior. I am kind of willing to lynch Earth more because of this but again I'm not too mad if we choose the other. Plus with the soft I kind of think that Earth is a better target

I still scumread you and I didn’t have a scumreaf on you til the claim

At this point I’m fine with a Savant lynch. I think earths role is odd and is an SOP that should’ve been claimed, but his behavior isn’t that deviated from his typical town

Huh wait did I misread. 

Actually nvm I misread 

Hmm Earths claim is weird 

RM dude you need to genuinely seek out therapy. Like this isn’t even a joke I’m being dead serious because this obsession is crazy and too be so distraught by being unmodded by your own actions is delusion

My lunch break ends in 3 minutes so gonna log off. Gonna catch up tonight 

I feel likes Casey effort and analysis is town. Seems to be actively putting time into his reads to curate them to the best of their ability and that’s usually a town tell. Not really skating by and taking charge in the reads

Gotcha. Yeah either way I just started a full time job and travelling so no thank you 

1. I probably wasn’t in this game so I wouldn’t know. But I’ve had like 4-5 ish games with them and that’s how I naturally see their behavior. Pretty combative against people and pretty strawman-y. She literally did this to me as town before so yeah I don’t think it’s a scum exclusive trait for them

2. I think this argument of a threshold to understand the game is stupid tbh. I think there’s a threshold to get a basic understanding but to know different gambits, play styles, behaviors, hell I wouldn’t even say I fully get it at times. I give a bit more leeway to these players but I also think when you’re playing on a site with people who’ve been playing 15+ years, it’s hard to really be an expert

3. Banana and Savant seem like an ideal team but I really don’t think savant hard buddies his scum partner unless I’m mistaken

Yeah not gonna lie 374 is damning. Still catching up but along with the behavior of Savant being pretty fishy and trying to get claims I am pretty willing to vote him this DP. Again on pg13 and live reacting. This feels like a deviation from what I’ve seen him play in games

I am off work for a week but am out of town for the fourth. Gonna catch up 

Idk why I wasn’t even pinged lol

I’m gonna be honest man I don’t really care for both ways I’m just living my life and starting my job and playing mafia. I’m too busy to worry about this a RatMan tangent. I’m not even a mod anymore 

It's still a 100% power role that has mega utility

Probs gonna get RB'd for that now or some bullshit will happen where my action won't go thru bc I had to give more info. Smh

It is situationally dependent. I can be role confirmed by it

Alright gonna refresh the page one last time to see if any response before I head out to play volleyball

I really don't like how the switch up of Savant to pushing for banana and in a scum read because of behavior to then claiming town because of the claim is not sus to anyone else but it threw me for loop. Normally I am not on omgus timing but that really just flicked a light in my brain

Mikal is still null but his logic seems very towny but I was a bit thrown off by him guessing the character. I also know by #348 I think I am probably going to get my action blocked. I'm tempted to void the action tonight tbh but have to sit on it some more

Also if i fullclaim DP2 and I get roleblocked I am tunneling Savant to hell and back and my town read on Mikal is going to become a scum read. 

- Mikal thinks he knows my character already and was the first to ping, I already soft'd my char gives away my role so if he knows it then the dots can connect

- Savant's pressure to get more claims and get more info is scummy as hell. But I wont fully scum read it until I get some np result or any sorts

Really did not want to give more than a J for my soft claim. I don't want anything that gives away my character too much so I'll say that my character is likely someone everyone in this forum has heard of if I'm guessing and is a guy

My character gives away my role

Now after 35 posts and a character claim now you decide to flip town. Seems like atp your fishing for claims IMO

I mean there's only so much I can say that hasn't be said when I am needing to catch up. I noticed the behavior switch on page 6ish but you already pointed out. The con of catching up I guess. I don't tend to big brain responses and come up with crazy theories, or if I do have a crazy theory it stays that way because the odds of it being the truth are low to none. In mafia, as town, you are looking to discover the truth and anything that roadblocks you from the truth just benefits mafia

Pretty jumpy to now pivot to me to claim. I gave my reasonings for not wanting to claim and I will not being so this DP. If I am lynched that's fine. I want to ensure my POE is narrowed in DP2 and then I have no problem full claiming. 

My reads are pretty much word for word what your read descriptions well. I am not gonna justify a null read when I have nothing to say.  It's useless clutter that takes away from the key points

If I didn’t mention anyone I’m probably null of them. Sorry for the sparse activity and responses but my commute + work + after work routine only leaves me with so many hours in the day

Pie seems a bit too eager to jump for claims and calling out others, something similiar to his scum meta. Would also make sense for him to target and push pressure on a new player as scum so I have a slight scum read

Don’t know how to read savant. Have to do more reading tbh

Slight town on earth but not strong mostly because his town behavior is aligning with his gameplay I’ve seen so far

I’m a bit concerned about the mod kill version of the PM. Seems like a a weird oddity that I’ve never experienced in a game. In fact Speedrace did something similiar where he faked a mod kill to garner town cred so I could 100% buy Wylted is doing this 

I don’t get the scum read on Banana. This sort of aligns with the aggression they saw with me in one of the games. When they get confident they tend to play more aggressive. I actually kinda town read banana and seem to agree with Mikal that one of the people are on the train 

On the way home. Will post when back 

I want to hold off on a full claim from myself for now. I will full claim right anway and in entirety DP2. Depending on what happens in the NP I feel like I can either narrow down the POE significantly and/or catch scum 

Why is RM in this thread bruh 

I don’t want to say too much more because I am pretty unsure of balance mechanics 

Will catch up. Sorry was caught up in a poker game last night 

He always yapping about nothing

Mine starts with a J fyi

The pace of these games starting is moving fast wow. I’m on my lunch break at the moment so gonna take a read but not a lot. At work til 3cst

that's also throwing me off too

Also fyi gonna do my last responses then rotting in bed til I go to bed

The issue is not with your reasoning, it's how you played it. I would like to disagree with your take on RM. From I saw you were looking way more into alternatives until RM left you no choice at that point but to vote him. You were originally set on Ultra but backed off the fit what the lynch lineup. I thought you were not that resistant of him last DP and thought you kind of gave an "ultimatum" but I could be misintepreting your thought process

Good question but I have a response. It is very clear that you are pushing for an alternative if Casey flips town. Example being "well if Casey is town then it is Vader and balance is weird." That is the current card you are playing. Maybe you are working with what cards were dealt but how should I know? Sure you can set up a 1v1 but I don't think you blatently go up against the Hydra. You corner yourself off and limit who you want to mislynch next DP. If we lynched Casey and they flip town, it's essentially a 2v1 assuming no protective action happens. Let's say they kill investigative. You already stated the POE is me or Casey. If  you were to claim a counter to the hydra you are pinning yourself to a 2v1 going against wylted and earth which even if they are 1, that's still 2 ideologies going at each and if they flip town you basically limit yourself. Doing a psuedo-not so-confirmation doesn't give town credit. Especially for a role that could cost town the most so it pushes town to not vote you. 

 But you also have some good points in your defense. I am more basing behavior reads and overall interactions than I was overall basing the character. I also just hate beloved princess and think they are inherently scummy/sop. 

Alright here is the context of my thoughts and reads going into this

Ultra at the moment with his claim stands out like a sore thumb with the claims, but the visit location aligns. I also think Earth's play did not deviate from his normal town and his play gives me a town read so the hydra feels town IMO.

Right now I have 2 scum reads, One is Luna and I have some pretty good reasons. For one I noticed throughout the DP he was breadcrumbling against Ultra for future days while opposing lynching him DP1 with Barney/myself and not believing Ultra and volunteering to hammer. I feel like his entrance into the game is pretty weak as well compared to normal games and really has just gone at RM, breadcrumbed RM to a tee and then just poofed. Almost like avoidance. Now when it comes to his Luna I absolutely HATE this claim. I think this the most optimal time you can choose to claim something like this. The strategy is there for why he fake claimed in the DP the Justice but I felt like he transitioned after getting pressure from Earth. It's too perfect of a setup. And with so many game shaking roles like Super Saint, Hated, I just find it extremely hard to think that Beloved Princess would be in a game like this and he waited to where it is likely (i say likely because there is no way to know 100% sure it is) a 4v1 where if the Beloved Princess is lynched, it triggers a lose situation. This kind of feels too convienant, but again I do have some thoughts about Casey

My 2nd scum read is Casey. Casey's play has been aligning well with what I believe to be there scum meta. They are taking a backseat in deep town going at town discussion to add some value while not putting eyes on themselves. Not to mention in DP1 they were one of the first to call out Mikal's reasoning for WF being unfair, which makes me believe it could be a desperation from the partner because of the meta analyzing. I haven't seen a claim so I can't judge but I think they have the behavioral scum tells I've seen

Casey and Luna are my final POE
I think Ultra is likely town but at the same time his character stinks and is not consistent of the theme at place. Also noted WF is a dude as well so is the theme "dude feminists?" I have no clue tbh but joan of arc is such a weird claim but the results back it.

With Luna's switch I also find it hard to throw hydra in my scum pile at the moment because it essentially guarantees there results are likely true because of the pivot unless another claim comes out there. But yeah i think it's probably Casey or luna at this point but I think i need to hear casey's claim and dependent on how good it is I may swing my vote that way

Gonna take a look at some claims and analysis but there’s one I’m not fond of

Alright I’m back home after a drive from hell. Gonna give reads

I also chose to activate today to confirm this role in a time where it wouldn’t be detrimental to town and wouldn’t just be a role I said I have but can’t use because I didn’t use it fast enough. IMO saying you have the role but not using comes off scummy asf 

Hello. I am still catching up as I thought I had a lot of time but I am on page 18 of my dp1 read thru. I’m at work til 3pm CST

Mikal can only vote because of me. I am a 1x Kingmaker. Once per night I can choose someone and give them full authority to vote and have them be the deciding vote. I am Eleanor Roosevelt and my reasoning behind the role is because I influenced a lot of FDR’s policies and consulted with him behind the scenes and campaigned for women rights throughout her life.

I chose Mikal because he was my top town read. Frankily I think he doesn’t just claimed Hated as mafia while also putting a lot of attention into focusing his claim. I also don’t think there are 2 SOP’s and yes I think super saint is an SOP

I have some thoughts but I’m on lunch break and have meetings all afternoon for my job (yes I’m a full timer now). But I have thoughts I logged thru my 18 page analysis I did

Would love to prove why I’m wrong. Sources? Evidence? Because I have a lot of official documents that back my point