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@RationalMadman
Rest in Peace. It's clear how much she influenced Kanye. I believe his tribute album to her was excellent, especially the reflective piece on Jesus Lord
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@Mesmer
Yes I would agree with your statement 100%. I believe on this site, an user must trust moderation to preserve their rights to free speech, while moderators must trust users to not excessively break basic rules that are detrimental to the function of the site.
There's a fine line between a political discussion and an excessive personal attack hate speech.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I understand your point with that statement as well and while I think things like excessive vulgarities are hard to define in the context, I will hopefully try to answer the question as best as I can
1. This section is simply referring to toxic behavior as a whole, not as a whole group. This is not saying vulgarities are hate speech (granted they can be depending on the context), but is saying toxic behavior can be excessive vulgarities. Some vulgarities are not hate speech, others are, but context matters. To add to this extension, no one is saying that vulgarities can not be debated or discussed, but they have to be used in a way that directly attacks someone. For example, if we are debating the use of the n-word in a discussion. No action would be taken for that. However, if a certain user is using that word is a manner deemed toxic and excessive, that would result in a punishment.
2. This is where moderation discretion comes in as you mentioned. Moderation will determine whether or not an attack is personal and is detracting from the topic at hand. This discretion is stated in the SPES. The guide itself is not a clear cut rules, but a basic procedure as stated before. Everything is reviewed using mod discretion, this is simply a baseline. This is one of those cases.
3. I think an improvement can be made. I do think excessive toxicity can play into hate speech depending what vulgarities is used. Most times, hate speech is used by vulgarities, hence why the groups is combined
I appreciate the concern for that and do agree there could be confusion, but I hope these principles have cleared up. Just remember, a lot of this is moderation discretion as well. As for the limiting the freedom of speech and such, I highly doubt Chris or I are going to start censoring certain beliefs and become some authoritarian figure to this site. I have better things to do. Trust is what matters in the grand scheme of things
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Current Mafia:
Lunatic - Comedians
Signups:
Disc - Open setup all vanilla
In the Hopper:
Pie - Bakugan Battle Brawlers
Lunatic- (please skip me on this list if you sign up after)
SupaDudz - Kanye West's Discography
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@ILikePie5
You literally guessed me last in your DM's with Lunatic. He can back me up if needed
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DONDA is the newest track from prominent Chicago artist Kanye West.
Kanye West debuts a massive 27 track album with various hidden messages and such throughout the track, his first major product since The Life of Pablo in 2016. DONDA is an unique experience that feels like a mess that has direct meaning.
The features on this album are great on this album. From Fivio's drill bars to Don Toliver's harmonic and levitating voice on Moon, the features on this track are strong and help this track. Kanye himself sounds raw and emotion and while having some corny bars, Kanye also has some of the best reflections and themes on this album that I have seen Kanye do in a while.
Kanye does some deep reflections on Jesus Lord, the first time we see Kanye truly explore his mothers passing in a deep and emotion way with harmonic and beautiful pianos
The first half of the leg consists of Kanye being trapped, with the beats symbolizing darkness, with Jail, the lead tracks, dark guitars and chanting by Kanye. Kanye feels trapped in the current world he is in, with great symbolisms and such. The peaks of Donda are some of the best music Kanye has put out in years now. And then the back half feels more open, free, and is more beautiful, symbolizing Kanye becoming more religious and in touch with his life with some great piano and synth keys
While this project has it's ultimate highs, it also has a lot of inconsistencies and problems that come with 27 song project. The part 2's don't do much for the entire album and just feel redundant and unneeded, with the features as well being less quality. There are also times where the intros and conclusions drag on longer than needed and some songs just feel boring and time fillers. At times, the track can feel like a cluttered mess versus a cluttered painting, which can be off putting
Despite these flaws, this one of Kanye's best albums he has put out in the Kim Kardashian era. With a general focus that feels like a continuous painting, beautiful vocals, some of the most intimate Kanye moments, this album is a sign of hope for Kanye that Kanye can resume to the ways of making amazing music
8.7/10
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@ILikePie5
I asked about before the whole Drlebronski situation. Even when you died, Luna told me that you guessed me last in the scum pile after you died in DP2. You were so confident I was scum from so early on, how come you didn't guess Speed and I?
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@ILikePie5
I said you were "hyper-aggressive," hence why I had a slight scum read. And Bron was when I literally lazily voted him, but what I said I was "I still think he's town, but I want to use this as a way to push your lynch"
Same read, but it was just me being lazy as scum and hopping on easy bandwagon
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Also if you would like to show me what constitutes as "limiting ideological preferences," please let me know. I think the SPES is fair enough to where ideologies of all can be showed.
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@ILikePie5
The flip flopping was for Doctor, and I didn't OMGUS you. I had a read on you that lead me to believe you were scum
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I think your evaluation is fair enough and I understand your logic behind your belief. I think a problem you once brought up is that how moderations acts to freely without defined borderlines (maybe not you, but someone did). Also these standards are not a sole guide, but merely a reference to what can occur giving users a basis on what could happen if a violation was committed. If you read, all these decision are discussed to see if this table should be enforced.
I do appreciate the fact you are trusting us to make decision based on the ends we see as the Status Quo. Also if you are not happy with the rules, feel free to shoot either MisterChris and I a PM and if you create a referendum for such rules, I would be more than happy to conduct a MEEP on it.
It is also very feasible this action can be done. Not to toot my own horn, but I led a full referendum of the RO Policy that allowed Restraining Orders to be less harsh, less likely to occur, and more fair to the users engaged.
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@ILikePie5
Please indicate anything before my vote on Lebron that was scummy by any means.
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Anything that was created by JiD.
I would say Kanye West, but he is creates beautiful art
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@drlebronski
I believe in a democracy. This is not North Korea
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@ILikePie5
I literally played like my genuine self until I vote on Lebron because I was scum. I literally didn't deviate from my behavior until that point and you were susing me for not thinking Bron was scum but OK all holy Pie
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The mislynch on Speed for a fake theme split analysis was annoying but kinda funny
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Only thing Pie is right about was the fact I scumslipped with claiming I was RB'd. Only thing I keep telling town as scum is early claiming is bad. When 2/3 vanillas flipped/claimed, we knew our scum pool
Even I'll admit that Bron lynch I went on was lazy play on my part
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@ILikePie5
You are right about the slip. I said I was RB'd when Poly countered it and somehow made it out alive.
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@ILikePie5
Lol Lunatic literally said in our chat that you guessed me last out of all the scum left just now
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@whiteflame
Yea but besides that we had a Janitor and after my role I was just a basic RB. Pie was luck but this is why I say claiming early is bad. We narrowed down PR's easily once we knew 2/3 vanillas
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@whiteflame
The hard part was thinking of a fake claim for Doctor. Thought of Ken Jeong. Surprised no one pointed out the role claim but no character
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@whiteflame
GG wp. We had a role that allowed to choose the roles that town had. We had 5 options and chose the one with no cop and no protective. Pie was a Friendly Neighbor
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@whiteflame
It’s a poor move in general but it also begs the question if he’s lying and actually visited you that means he scum. He wouldn’t tell the truth because he’d reveal he’s scum because of the viability of my claim versus their claim
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@whiteflame
I think it's only scummy because he could've confirmed that I did in fact visit whiteflame but instead went with someone else who was probably not a NK target
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@Polyglot
Because the logic makes absolutely no sense. You can watch 2 people
1. An un CC'd Doctor
2. A confirmed town person
These 2 are viable options but instead you choose a Vanilla, a decision that...
1. Provides no utility. Why would scum visit a vanilla player? To frame them maybe but why wouldn't they have done so earlier
2. Scum tend to provide baseless information if they claim a Power role
You're investigation provides no utility to us when we are at MYLO
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@whiteflame
There was also more to that just dragged on but I gave the main justification
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@whiteflame
My justification was that before I did stand up comedy, I was a physician where later, I would play a doctor in a TV series
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@drlebronski
We are all evolved from monkeys according to evolution. You're not wrong
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@whiteflame
Also to point out, Poly was continuously asking why someone thinks they are a PR for about 3 pages before claiming in DP2
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@Greyparrot
I did that but in separate posts.
DP2: I said I targeted whiteflame randomly
DP3: I said I targeted Wylted 1 or 2 posts in roughly 30 seconds after I said I was RB'd
DP4: Immideately said I doc'd whiteflame
Fair enough on DP3. But you're gonna let one mistake dictate that. I also claimed Doc DP1 and went un CC'd by Pie, the only one whose role we don't know. Think
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@whiteflame
Alright, going to take this DP nice and slow for now. Didn't want the last one to end that quickly, but that was my mistake - shouldn't have put my vote down on anyone until I was entirely decided.I'm largely going to start from scratch here because I feel like I've missed something in the previous couple of DPs. Clearly, my theory was wrong as well, so while I am considering the theme split, I'm becoming increasingly aware of how difficult it may be to discern, so I'm not going to rely on that.
I think it's a losing game to try to get a theme split at this point in time
We supposedly have two PRs still left in this game. Much as I can understand being the target of the NK during during the last NP as the sole town confirmed player, that's surprising. It's particularly surprising that we still have a Watcher in the game.Poly, who did you target during the last NP and what is the justification for your role?I'm also thinking about the circumstances that led to no NKs during the last NP. That might be because Supa Doc'd me, though I'll note as well that that would mean that scum is out of whatever role (most likely Strongman) that allowed them to kill Wylted during the last NP. That is possible, especially if we consider that they have a number of shots that they have already spent. The problem I have there is that we have two PR's (the scum Janitor and the town Tracker) that have already been flipped and neither of them have a specific number of shots. Supa's claim that he Doc'd me reads as convenient to me.
This is why I think Poly is scum. We have no idea what Pie was and since he can't claim what his role actually was. Not to mention he claimed Watcher, when we have a tracker already, which I find somewhat suspicious.
This is the thing, I claimed Doctor before Pie died and such and he did not counter claim me, therefore we are making the assumption that I am the only protective role in the game. I think the odds of me being Doc are higher than the odds of there being two tracking based roles in the game.
Right now, GP's the only one I'm not strongly considering, though I'm looking back through the last 2 DPs to make sure I'm not overlooking anything.
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Also by POE I think it's Poly
VTL Poly
VTL Poly
If Grey is scum, GG wp. Whiteflame is confirmed. It's between me and Poly
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@whiteflame
You do have to note that Janitors are typically 1x, so it's very likely mafia might have a 1x of Strongman too
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@Greyparrot
I did though you just weren't paying attention
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I’m on my phone and need to go get batteries from the store for my PC. On my phone now but gonna give some analysis
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@drlebronski
Calling someone a monkey and having a hate list is not helping your campaign
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