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@Greyparrot
@Barney
@oromagi
Interested?
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Spots are filled at 12. We can add more if need be. I can max at 14
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Convienant that Speed agrees that I never said anything about VTNL'ing yet buddies Pie for no reason
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@drafterman
There is not a change. It's that you and Pie are scum and you are town reading Pie to make him look town to force a lynch on Elm
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@drafterman
I made my case. You didn’t listen and no one listened and wrote it off. When town lynches the vanilla and the whole plan falls to utter shit because you can’t stand having Supa be right about something using actual logic then I don’t care
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im sick and tired of playing with fucking town that dismisses everything i say as bullshit
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Lol i dont care if you vote me just look fucking stupid and when i flip innocent please stop fucking dissmissing everything i say as crazy. sick and tired of it. Im off to spanish
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@drafterman
It doesn't add up if you posit us both as scum, either. Does it make sense that a scum-pair would do that?this could be WIFOM where you say, why would I do that as scum? IdkIf you're going to try and get me lynched as scum, you're going to have to come up with some explanation as to why my behavior is the kind of behavior scum would engage in.
I already said why you are scum
Tunneling on a scum read is scummy. Tunneling on a confirmed scum is different. Mikal is not confirmed scumWHAT?! Lolokay. BTW no one is ever confirmed scum until the mod reveals their affiliation which only really happens AFTER you lynch them.
Or if a track/cop/bp/ etc. That's a confirmed scum for all purposes
YOU said many things change in a year. Now you're saying things can't change in a year. (Also you said things may or may not change in a year). Which is it. Can you preface each post with the specific mutually exclusive position you're artbirarily picking for that point in time? It'll make things easier.Because I have played mafia this year. You haven't??
I've changed because I have played more games than you have this year, thus I have changed
Speed's game?Oh you mean the game where the mod invented a rule just to spite me and I asked to be replaced? That game?
Yea that one
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@ILikePie5
If you were to be lynched, it would be apart of the cake that goes to your lynch, but only a lil bit. It isn't anything to pursue your lynch over
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@ILikePie5
But it can be, it is not that much of importance tho if we lynch.
You are being hypocritical now
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@ILikePie5
Yes it is, but it's not something I read into when it comes to your vote. It's like sprinkles to a cake
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@Elminster
I think you're taking a risk with assuming we will get results.
Starting to question voting right now because I think the odds we have a protective are somewhat high, it just depends on the targets, and that's a real toss up and a huge risk to take. Right now I'm still all for voting, but you make a fair argument, but it's taking on the probability these PR's will get results and they aren't manipulated
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@Elminster
When no PR's that effect the game have claimed yet, it's extremely doubtful that anything will happen
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@ILikePie5
You go on Discord when you are pinged for something on phone. I noticed this morning and yesterday you were on phone when I didn't ping. Like I said, it's only a note and not a read, but a little thought
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@drafterman
The interaction part is where I see the most red flags. Why is Pie pointing out something drafterman said a year ago and looking at him to test his reaction? How does he know what drafterman is thinking at the time this is going. What would be the motive for Pie to focus in on something from a year ago just to ask for Drafter's opinion on something. To me, it doesn't add up in anyway. The only reason that post would've been brought up if drafter told Pie about the post, which leads me to believe they have some form of communication with each other. Drafter even says it wasn't recently where he said Miller claims. Why would Pie remember this info at all? These don't add in anywayIt doesn't add up if you posit us both as scum, either. Does it make sense that a scum-pair would do that?
this could be WIFOM where you say, why would I do that as scum? Idk
Tunneling on one person when there's no concrete evidence of whether or not he's scum is extremely rash and reactionary versus him last game, where while he voted Water, he was much more cautious of his vote versus now, where he is voting Elm off of less information. Water had bad plays and sus moves constantly, and it didn't take Drafter til page 6 to vote him, where he didn't even go through with the vote because of Elm. This tunneling where he disregards the case on Pie and only focuses on one character is anti town, and anti town is usually scum. I maintained the position that bad town and anti town are different in various definitions and regards. The fact he is willing to throw Pie in the pile after he did not claim Dp1 in the time he had. He isn't considering any options, versus town drafter, where in the last game, he considered Elm an option as well. Why isn't he doing the same hereIt's not anti-town to tunnel on scum and get scum lynched.
Tunneling on a scum read is scummy. Tunneling on a confirmed scum is different. Mikal is not confirmed scum
I've made a big case about this but drafter left the site in March this year. He then states his belief of Millers are confirmed town because of the site and shouldn't be trusted. Yet when he left the site and came back, he is now suddenly changing his opinion on claimed Millers, even when they don't claim right away?YOU said many things change in a year. Now you're saying things can't change in a year. (Also you said things may or may not change in a year). Which is it. Can you preface each post with the specific mutually exclusive position you're artbirarily picking for that point in time? It'll make things easier.
Because I have played mafia this year. You haven't
What changed about his behavior since? He didn't participate in any mafia games during this time? He rage quit another mafia game,No I didn't.
Speed's game?
why is he suddenly having this drastic change of heart? To me, his reads are not consistent of his play. Drafter is not someone to change based on a meta or belief or wave, yet he decides to drastically change the style he preached. It's out of character, and would coorelate with drafter forcing a potential mislynch on Elm and then when it's MYLO, he goes an attacks me for being aggressive and gets enough of town validation to get a mislynch since it is the funny trend to hate on Supa and just push the narrative that Supa is an idiot and should be lynched cuz idiots are scummy.The funny thing is all of this is based ONLY on stuff I've told you about myself. You haven't done any of your own thinking on the subject, it's based on what I've told you, here in this game, about my own past behavior. You haven't independently verified any off it.
This is all my thinking
All the more amusing because - as I said - the behavior you are alleging I've changed from IS FROM WHEN I WAS SCUM. So you're entire argument is:"Drafter is scum now because he has drastically changed from his behavior when he was scum in a game a year ago. I know this because he told me this now and I trust what he is telling me now even though I think he's scum."
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@Elminster
So you're gonna keep forcing NL's and risk the mafia killing a PR
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Also gonna pull a mikal read with Pie and say that he's been on Discord a lot more on his phone. He only hops on Discord when pinged. Not gonna read anymore into that but it's just a note
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@Elminster
Hypothetical 3 scum.
No lynch 6v3
No lynch 6v3
Dp3, 5v3
Mislynch,
4v3
Night kill, 3v3. Mafia wins
The only way that we are extended if is a protective role blocks a NK from happening or a RB blocks the mafia. But your gambling on that being in the game AND the person behind it actually targeting the right persn
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I like that pie is buddying drafter but I'm getting scum read because they think I'm buddying Elm. Racists
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@Elminster
There's only gonna be 1 dayphase for both. It's 4 to 3 versus 5 to 3
The VTNL'ing route where we'd have a 5v3 would rely on if there is a role that can protect us and if it used correctly
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@Elminster
You are making the assumption there's a role that forces 2 nps
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@ILikePie5
@Speedrace
Policy lynching millers was not created by Pie. I'm sure if you look at any other person they'd policy lynch millers too. You are just the first person on DART who uses the meta, you didn't invent it.
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@ILikePie5
Please don't take this to offense, but you did not fucking invent policy lynching Millers
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1. MisterChris (Anime Waifus)
2. Speedrace
3. whiteflame (TDLOS)
4. That1user (Anime Waifus)
5. Lunatic (Anime Waifus)
6. Danielle (Anime Waifus)
7. iLikePie5
8. crystalynx (Anime Waifus)
9. Coreyinthehouse (Anime Waifus)
10. Elminsiter (Anime Waifus)
11. seldiora
12. Crocodile (Anime Waifus)
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We can do 13 if need be
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@whiteflame
He's definitely more involved this round than I think I've ever seen him
In defense, you've really only played 1 game with me where I was a confirmed townie, to which is my fault, I felt very lazy. After getting a wake up call, I was much more active, especially in later DP's
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The reason why I am voting Drafter is for these reasons.
1. His interaction between Pie
Pie asks Drafter for thoughts on his claim, which I think is weird for him to do.Drafter says he buys itPie says that he did to test him, Drafter agrees despite not being in Pie's shoes
Drafter says he doesn't like blindly believing millers, puts Pie in his town pileDrafter says that the last time he's said anything about Millers was Dark Crystal.
He changes he belief on Miller, yet he went AWOL from the site for 8months before returning, only to change his mind up.
The interaction part is where I see the most red flags. Why is Pie pointing out something drafterman said a year ago and looking at him to test his reaction? How does he know what drafterman is thinking at the time this is going. What would be the motive for Pie to focus in on something from a year ago just to ask for Drafter's opinion on something. To me, it doesn't add up in anyway. The only reason that post would've been brought up if drafter told Pie about the post, which leads me to believe they have some form of communication with each other. Drafter even says it wasn't recently where he said Miller claims. Why would Pie remember this info at all? These don't add in anyway
2. Tunneling
Drafter votes Elm
Reasoning is because Mikal is being aggressiveReads Pie as town and just tunnels Mikal
Tunneling on one person when there's no concrete evidence of whether or not he's scum is extremely rash and reactionary versus him last game, where while he voted Water, he was much more cautious of his vote versus now, where he is voting Elm off of less information. Water had bad plays and sus moves constantly, and it didn't take Drafter til page 6 to vote him, where he didn't even go through with the vote because of Elm. This tunneling where he disregards the case on Pie and only focuses on one character is anti town, and anti town is usually scum. I maintained the position that bad town and anti town are different in various definitions and regards. The fact he is willing to throw Pie in the pile after he did not claim Dp1 in the time he had. He isn't considering any options, versus town drafter, where in the last game, he considered Elm an option as well. Why isn't he doing the same here
3. Contradictory Behavior
I've made a big case about this but drafter left the site in March this year. He then states his belief of Millers are confirmed town because of the site and shouldn't be trusted. Yet when he left the site and came back, he is now suddenly changing his opinion on claimed Millers, even when they don't claim right away? What changed about his behavior since? He didn't participate in any mafia games during this time? He rage quit another mafia game, why is he suddenly having this drastic change of heart? To me, his reads are not consistent of his play. Drafter is not someone to change based on a meta or belief or wave, yet he decides to drastically change the style he preached. It's out of character, and would coorelate with drafter forcing a potential mislynch on Elm and then when it's MYLO, he goes an attacks me for being aggressive and gets enough of town validation to get a mislynch since it is the funny trend to hate on Supa and just push the narrative that Supa is an idiot and should be lynched cuz idiots are scummy.
These are my top 3 reasons.
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@Elminster
also if we want to talk about third mafia do we need to bring up last dp where you voted yourself...i also never town read you
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@Elminster
I’m only doing it because I want to give my perspective on the situation, not because i want your validation
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@drafterman
But you are someone that is consistent with your belief and stand by it. You took a big break from mafia and the site. What changed about your play that drastically ever since the game? You only have played 3 games since a hiatus, what has drastically changed your view. It seems like you're using this to gain leverage when you could've easily changed your positionDude, YOU said "many things change" REFERRING TO ME. So can I change, or can I not change?! WHICH IS IT?!
To a certain extent. You changing your entire logic after a 7 month hiatus makes no sense in anyway. Plus you are someone who sticks to your beliefs and values. Correct? Why all of a sudden are you going back on that? I'm not saying things can't change. I'm saying that you, yourself, as a player, is not someone that adapts to change to a certain extent because of your beliefs.
Either way, it's inconsistent.Yes, in one of those ways, I'm being inconsistent with a position I stated while in a game a year ago as scum, and in the other way I'm inconsistent with some person that may or may not be me that may or may not have said something about the subject "recently."So what has changed since your hiatusI'm in a game where Elminster is definitely scum. That's what is different.
You have no proof of that. That's simply a scum read
I'm questioning about the way you play the game and determining. You say you buy the claim when he has only posted 3 or 4 posts and then believe it when Pie could've claimed it in DP1 first thing first. Yet you said you believed it. I don't know how you are putting Pie in your town pileBecause there are bigger fish to fry (Elminster). We can only lynch one person a day. So once you have scum, you get them lynched.
You can still have a scum read on someone but prefer to lynch someone over another
Leave other scum for the next day. I am not one of these people that thinks they need to definitely, with 100% DNA evidence conclusively find all scum within 5 minutes of the game starting. If you have scum, you go for them. I put Pie in my Town pile with a dismissive acceptance of his claim because it doesn't matter right now. Elminster matters right now because he is definitely scum.
Yet why do you wanna dismissively accept has claim and not weigh all options and form reads on all players. This strategy is a double barrel. If the lynch doesn't shift your way with Elm, you're gonna keep your vote on Elm and risk a VTNL, or will you vote Pie?
Tell you what, convince Lunatic to allow us to have two lynches today and I'll find you two scum to lynch. Such as it is, we can only lynch one, so finding more than one person to lynch is superfluous.
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Basically I think there's more proof and a case against Drafter than there is against Elm ATM
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Also in regards with Elminister, I have a slight scum read on him. This is because I believe that he is being much more passive than his play in town. While I think it's oddly sus, in live mafia, when critiqued about only targeting Airmax, he fixed. In the game he threw, he was also a vanilla and had no use. While I don't think it's a viable justification for him to throw, it could be reasoned that's the reason, but I have no die, and because of the fact he's not somewhat aggressive, I have a slight scum read. Usually he'd be tunneling someone right now
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Well you said it,Yes, but you're saying that it was a year ago so that doesn't count anymore because, as YOU said, "many things can change." So can many things change or can't they?
But you are someone that is consistent with your belief and stand by it. You took a big break from mafia and the site. What changed about your play that drastically ever since the game? You only have played 3 games since a hiatus, what has drastically changed your view. It seems like you're using this to gain leverage when you could've easily changed your position
and I recall someone saying it recently too and I'm like 85% sure it was you.No, Lunatic's game was the last game I opined on the subject.
Someone said it
Either way, it's inconsistent.Yes, in one of those ways, I'm being inconsistent with a position I stated while in a game a year ago as scum, and in the other way I'm inconsistent with some person that may or may not be me that may or may not have said something about the subject "recently."
So what has changed since your hiatus
There also wasn't enough evidence with Pie to suggest you buying him as town.Please outline the objective criteria for buying someone as town in this game.
I'm questioning about the way you play the game and determining. You say you buy the claim when he has only posted 3 or 4 posts and then believe it when Pie could've claimed it in DP1 first thing first. Yet you said you believed it. I don't know how you are putting Pie in your town pile
Even so, it's a sharp contrast from that game,Yes it is. But either it matters, in which case you need to factor in the fact that I was scum when I said that, or it doesn't matter, in which case it doesn't matter.you might be bringing it up so you can use that to fuel your story about it. I don't doubt that you're smart person, and you could be playing this card as scum to try to convince me otherwiseImagine if you put this much effort into reasoning Elminster as scum.
I'm rereading Mikal because he's hard to read
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@drafterman
My PM says I'm one of the kinder people in Vegas
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@Danielle
@drafterman
“You ain’t a man at all! You’re some kind of Devil!”
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@drafterman
Well you said it, and I recall someone saying it recently too and I'm like 85% sure it was you. Either way, it's inconsistent. There also wasn't enough evidence with Pie to suggest you buying him as town. Even so, it's a sharp contrast from that game, you might be bringing it up so you can use that to fuel your story about it. I don't doubt that you're smart person, and you could be playing this card as scum to try to convince me otherwise
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