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@oromagi
Sorry, I meant fourth wagon, as I've put my vote on Water.
At this point, people should either be picking an existing wagon or providing a really strong case for creating a new one and trying to get people off other wagons and onto theirs, not just starting additional wagons without any rationale.
Granted, I simply picked Water because he was at inactive person at the top of the player list, so I'm happy to change to a different inactive, but I don't like that you just vote without any reason why.
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@oromagi
What's the point of starting a third wagon?
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@oromagi
So your defense is that you do something pointless and not to the benefit of town all the time?
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Claims:
1. GreyParrot - Aunt May - Vote Giver
3. Ragnar - Clint Barton (Hawkeye) - ????
7. warren42 - ???? - Oracle
Unclaimed:
2. drafterman
4. ILikePie5
5. WaterPhoenix
6. Mharman
8. oromagi
9. CogentCognizer
10. SupaDudz
11. A-R-O-S-E
12. Wylted
UVC
PressF - 3/7 - ILikePie, AROSE, SupaDudz
GreyParrot - 1/7 - warren4
WaterPhoenix - 1/7 - drafterman
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I really don't have any strong reads yet. If forced to choose a scum-read, I'd choose oromagi. He seems a bit over the place with his votes. He initially voted Supa, but never did anything with it and switched to someone else when it was easy to do so.
However, I don't think I have a strong enough read to lead a lynch. I'd rather get rid of an inactive like Water, Cogent, or Wylted.
VTL WaterPhoenix
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Pressuring phase of the day is over, plus we have enough claims anyway. We should decide on a lynch (or not to lynch).
- I don't like AROSE' metagaming. Out of Game Influence should be a mod-killable offense. People have thought of this from time to time, even I've thought of it and, as town, considered doing something like this. I mean, a townie wants a sure-fire way to prove themselves as town. But it's just shy of cheating and shouldn't be allowed.
- People who aren't familiar with the MCU (coughSupacoughMharmancough) should really look at the MCU wiki before casting votes
Re-reading the OP, there is no theme split between town and mafia. So I'll have to back up on my Town read of Grey. I believe his claim, but it seems that isn't an indicator of his affiliation.
So we'll have to be careful here, we really only have behavior and reports to go on.
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@warren42
Not how I see it. Motivator is the name of his role. Giving votes is the mechanics of what that role does.
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@Greyparrot
Trust me. They won't. They're too chicken shit.
I'll soft claim though: I'm a core hero.
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I totally buy Grey's claim. Aunt May as a motivator that grants extra votes is spot on. Either it's an inegious fake claim or one given by the mod.
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Claims:
1. GreyParrot - Aunt May - Vote Giver
3. Ragnar - Clint Barton (Hawkeye) - ????
7. warren42 - ???? - Oracle
Unclaimed:
2. drafterman
4. ILikePie5
5. WaterPhoenix
6. Mharman
8. oromagi
9. CogentCognizer
10. SupaDudz
11. A-R-O-S-E
12. Wylted
UVC
PressF - 3/7 - ILikePie, AROSE, SupaDudz
GreyParrot - 1/7 - warren4
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@oromagi
I'd say it's a good idea to get some claims, then lynch the scummiest person. Lacking a strong read, getting rid of an inactive is good since they're anti-Town.
But I'm not inactive, so the rationale for lynching me is gone.
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I'm here. The mafia can just give up now instead of wasting everyone's time.
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Ongoing
Speedrace - Marvel Cinematic Universe Heroes
Sign-ups
Lunatic - The Dark Crystal Mafia
In the Hopper
Mharman - Survive the Killers Mafia
Warren
Bsh1
PressF4Respect
A-R-O-S-E ~ Powders Pow-wow
SupaDudz (High School Life Mafia)
drafterman (Themeless, Random Roles)
On Hold
Buddamoose, Virtuoso, Breaking, Discipulus
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@Castin
Aw, get better soon Mike.Deleting content that violates the CoC was bish's original policy, I believe. Then there was some heated member protest about that policy. And deleting offending posts means the public can't tell why someone was banned, which can make it look like members are just being silently assassinated without provocation.But yeah, it probably deserves its own thread.
Again, that is not an honest representation of what is going on. The protest in that thread wasn't about deleting violating content, it was that said content wasn't a violation in the first place:
"So far as I can tell there was nothing in violation of the TOS."
"There was nothing in violation of the TOS."
"[I]t is a stretch to call that thread a violation of the COC."
It was you that, out of the blue, suggested locking threads instead of deleting them. BSH then took this and just implemented it.
The idea that violating content can be deemed violating but still exist on the site is stupid.
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@Castin
It would be good if posts could be red flagged by mods to show the post was found to be in violation of the CoC. As of now there's just a green check mark either way, and people associate green check marks with approval. Red flagged posts could also be a continuous demonstration to other users of the kind of behavior that should be avoided.
This is a completely dishonest representation of the situation. The fact that they remain on the site is what associates them with approval. Stuff that is in violation should be removed.
No other site on the internet works this way. It is completely backwards.
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@Castin
But you've had multiple complaints I've found worthy of consideration, like the case you made for anonymous reporting,
For which nothing happened and reports are non-anonymous.
or vulnerabilities in vote reporting policy.
I never made a complaint about the vote reporting policy. I had issues with the voting standard, but those were never taken seriously until the mods were forced to implement that standard universally and realized it was too strict.
But you do have good complaints and less good complaints, and I think this is a less good one.
I think that misuse of mod power is a legitimate complaint regardless of what it was misused for. DrChristineFord's analogy is spot on. There is no "good" or "acceptable" form of mod abuse.
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@Castin
If only personal attacks were against the CoC and we had a mod team willing to enforce it. Hm.
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@Castin
Just remember that when I talk about the mod team trivializing user complaints, this is the shit I'm talking about.Really though, I can't believe you guys are complaining about a mod locking a questions thread. This is seriously the quality of protest you think is worth your time now? It's pretty trivial. If you make threads over things like this it can begin to degrade your credibility as sources of quality criticism, and make you look like you'll just attack any little petty thing out of spite.
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@bsh1
Then just stop answering the questions. You didn’t lock your other AMA thread, or plenty of other threads that have run their course.
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@bsh1
There is relatively little difference. Calling me a liar, for example attacks me as a person, but also undermines my credibility as a mod. Ethang's thread was also critical of my modding and my being a moderator, and many of those criticisms were rooted in criticisms of me as a person.
Then it seems odd you would forbid questions about modding in the OP. Nevertheless, you did.
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@bsh1
If Majority + 1 out of at least 10 people agree with you that it was a moderation related thread, you can delete this thread and ban me.
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Drafter, your absurd semantic griping notwithstanding, the thread was always about moderation.
No, it was about your personal relationships. You know how I know? BECAUSE YOU SAID SO.
The thread was created in response to accusations that Mike and I were dishonest and acting inappropriately, going to my credibility and integrity as a mod.
No, it's an attack against your credibility and integrity as a person. Or do you not see the difference?
The concerns raised by the thread was serious, if specious, and the AMA was a space were those concerns could be disambiguated and address. Pretty much everyone interpreted and used the thread in that way, making it impossible to believe that you could interpret it any other way.
Really? You polled everyone on this or is telepathy one of your mod powers? Can't be the latter because your stated intuitions about my thoughts and intentions are so fucked.
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Can anyone else seriously read the OP of that thread and conclude that it's a "moderation related" thread?
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Clearly the thread was related to moderation credibility and integrity (not moderation policy).
No, it was clearly a thread related to your "relationship with Mike, [your] past on DDO, [your] political and other beliefs, and any questions related to [you] as a person."
I was refusing to answer questions of moderation policy, not questions about moderator integrity, credibility, etc.
No, you said no questions about "modding." That pretty much covers all the bases.
The thread was clearly moderation-related.
Maybe it turned out that way, but there is no honest way to depict that as the intention from the onset, give your OP.
You really should stop throwing hissy fits over nothing.
I know it's in your best interest to normalize mod failure and mod abuse, but I don't see how it's in mine to just sit back and let it happen quietly.
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@bsh1
For the record, I wasn't "griping to gripe" I was stating my opinion that I don't think a mod should use their mod-powers to lock their own threads. It clearly wasn't a mod-related thread, it was a thread about your personal relationships. No excuse for locking down a thread without a CoC violation. You just can't dismiss your failures a a mod with "griping to gripe."
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Isn't closing a thread an act of moderation? Like, not something to be used on a personal whim? Can any user request a self-started thread be closed simply because they get tired of it?
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@Castin
All I hear is that the mods can't handle the stress, the workload, or are even willing to do their job. The lot of you should resign.
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@3RU7AL
Or they could just delete content that breaks the rules.
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@Raltar
I'm not disputing the humor, but I'm seeing a disturbing penchant for dismissing users with jokes instead of addressing their concerns.
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Look, they got jokes. Site's circling the drain but at least they're laughing, I guess.
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@bsh1
We all make choices. For example, you choose not to do your job and instead post memes to try and anger users you are displeased with.
I choose to gripe, complain, and take low-ball pot-shots at the moderation. I do that because I feel that the system in place is beyond fucked and there is no point in even trying to work within its mechanisms to improve it. You've stacked the deck too far against it.
I also choose to post constructively as well. Part of me holds out hope for improvement, though it dwindles day by day and is probably based only in irrational sentiment. Even if I am not here to see such improvement, the information is at least out there for someone with more hope or patience than I to make use of it.
So I do both.
You can choose to respond to the former, the latter, neither, or both. You chose to respond only to the non-constructive stuff. What do you think that says about you?
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@bsh1
If you have no consequences, then don't presume to make demands of my behavior. You are perhaps the shittiest mod of any site I've ever seen.
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@bsh1
I think you need to calm down, back off,
Or what?
and let me do my job.
The only one stopping you from doing your job is you.
You have nothing constructive to say and nothing productive to add. You gripe just to gripe.
A laughable lie. You asked me my stance and I provided it to you nice and clear. Interestingly, once I did that, you decided to stop engaging me. Seems you're not actually interested in that kind of shit. You only really respond to the non-constructive stuff.
Moderation could be flawless, yet you'd throw a shitstorm. You are the self-admitted Grinch of the site, taking cheap shots just to take cheap shots. I am not resigning, and, as far as I am concerned, that's the bottom line.
OR WHAT. If you're unwilling to delete a post with absolutely no content other than to call another person a Cunt, what the fuck kind of response do I even have to fear? MEMES?!
Either have something constructive to say within the existing framework, or consider taking a cue from Bjork.
The existing framework is a piece of shit. It doesn't permit anything constructive to be done within it.
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@bsh1
Or what? Do you think this is an appropriate response for a moderator?
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@bsh1
If you can't do your job, resign and make room for someone that can. This pussy footing around shit is for the birds.
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@Castin
@David
@bsh1
Why is the "a note" locked. Has it violated some part of the CoC?
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@Vader
Moderation that does not instantly ban, or delete, or block, someone or something when offended and lets things happen until it escolates to much
Right, but that's my point. Moderation isn't about what offends them personally, ergo it has nothing to do with how thick their skin is. It's about the defined policy of acceptable use. If a behavior isn't allowed, then it isn't allowed. It has fuck all to do with whether it offends a mod. You keep thinking that this is about personal offense and I don't understand why.
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Everything you said pertains to personal interactions and has nothing to do with moderation. "Thick skinned moderation" is a nonsensical phrase.
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The title does not match the content of the OP. Both are deliberate choices. Why a thread designed to address a single issue is disguised as an "Ask Me Anything" one can only guess.
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@Vader
The issue I'm seeing with you is you seem to think the only tool moderation has at its disposal is banning people. If that were true there would be merit to what you say. But it isn't true.
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Moderation of content (vis-a-vis its deletion) shouldn't care about intention.
Moderation of users (vis-a-vis banning, restriction of rights) should.
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Can you explain why your ego is so big that it requires two of these kinds of threads in as many months?
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