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@AleutianTexan
1} ...These three pivotal justices also happen to be the only justices in American history appointed by both a president who lost the popular vote and confirmed by the votes of senators representing a minority of the U.S. population.2}...The only other justices in history similarly confirmed by senators representing a minority of the American electorate, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito, are also on the court. These are the five justices who voted to overturn Roe. "
Al-T...My question is, do you think that
- This is American democracy working as intended or opposed to it's original constraints/values?
- Is it bad we have these systems in place?
I dunno. Not a deep thinker about those type issues.
Those above are quotes from some article, as it doesnt appear to be my kinda of lingo. Old post.
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@zedvictor4
Evolution is evolution ebuc.
Zed, there are generalizations and there are specifics/particulars. Perhaps I wasnt clear enough to you last time around
Biologic/soul genetic evolution is not the same as human augmentatiion via electronic this or that
The development of matter from a start to a finish perhaps.
1}We were focused only human >< AI and now,
2} youve gone off on a very remote/distant tangent of matter, which is not biologic/life,
3} and we have no direct evidence of biologic/life being created from where before there was none,
4} ergo, you playing a mexican jumping bean game to avoid the logic, common sense critical thinking I presented in last post.
Though for some, evolution is only synonymous with Mr Darwin.
The word evolution can be applied to many differrent specifics. Were on human >< AI track, and jumped off
But the biological is only a recent short bit.
Human augmenatation via AI, is not specific to biologic/soul evolution processes. Are you jumping bean actions do not make it so. Mind game by you to save face/eg.
And soul is or isn't an imaginary concept, depending upon how one chooses to define soul.
IVe been very clear over the years, biologic = soul ergo they are synonyms in my book { biologic/soul } and the focus was on evolution of biologic/soul. Human augmentation iva AI is not genetic evolution. Your attempts to jump on to generalized ' evolution ' tactic is just to save face/ego.
And AI does what it does, relative to this stage of it's development. Just as we once relied upon stone tools.
Ok Zed, this is where you get sloppy quite often. When you turn-into forrest gump.
Human augmneation via AI is not genetic evolution. Stone tools are not genetic evolution.
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Further more, if you go to the time stamp 45, in John Baezs vid LINK I provided in beginnging of post #14, he explains the reason { the magic } of why 24 works in so many aspects of math, string theory elsewhere. It has to do with 4-fold symmetry lattice and 6-fold symmetry lattice, elipitic curves { a torus } as associated with parrellagrams --slightly early parts of his vid go into that--.
So basically is because of 4-fold lattice and 6-fold lattice, and I remind the reader here, the my space-time torus ideas, began with my exploration of prime numbers,, where I found that all prime numbers --except 2p and 3p-- fall of one, of four lines/levelsone one line, that, I later inside-outed, and connect to create four circle planes of a torus, that,
has repeated, nucleated hexagons { 2D lattice }. After inside-outing the prime numbers appear on the outer surface of the torus and equate that to Gravity. Old news for those who have made attempts to grasp some rather simple stuff, provided via poor texitconic graphics and commentary.
…1……………5p……7p………11p…...13p..outer
Gr great circle
0……………………6…………………12…….time
inside torus great circle top peak
……….3p………………….9…………………...time
inside torus great circle bottom peak
……2p……4……………8….10………………..inner
DEenergy great circle peak
Nucleated hexagons:
0..1..5p..6..4...2p and nuclear event is 3p. Then next nucleated event is 6, then 12, then 15 and at 18 { 18 combinations of quark and anti-quark } we have the first ability to curve all four lines/levels around to meet them selves ---complete themselves on same line ergo 18 and 0 become the same nucleation and the basis of the of my space-time torus-- and includes the 14 nodal events that, I believe define a truncated dypryamid ergo a minimal Euclidean tube of 9 vertexes.
There is much more to the story with the 18 we have five nucleations. In last post #14, at line #8, that, ...The
Randall-Sundrum model and its generalizations propose that our 4-D
universe could be a 4-D membrane embedded in a 5-D asymptotically AdS
spacetime," Antonini explained. "....LINK
ergo an overlapping of 4D and 5D as basis part of unification of Quantum and Gravity. See Leonard Susskinds ADS/CFT quatum tunnelling latest news to see if there is more connections to 4 and 6 fold 24. But John Baez old vid is instructive on how to get to that understanding.
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@RationalMadman
For the Ratio-Man, who has finally unblocked me, Yay!
..."In the May 2011 issue of Scientific American mathematician John Baez co-authors " the Strangest Numbers in String Theory"..an article ......Baez highlights the number eight as one of his three favorite numbers. (The other two? Five and 24.) ".... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzjbRhYjELo
1} First came bosonic --bosons are force particles-- string theory and it is 24-D + 2 ergo 26-Dimensions
2} Then latter came fermionic --fermions are matter particles--- string theory.
3} These above two theories were unified in 1995 by Witten and called M-theory { magic, mystery, or membrane } and it is 10 spatial-D and 1-Time ergo 11-Dimension
4} ..." In late 1997, theorists discovered an important relationship called the anti-de Sitter/conformal field theory correspondence (AdS/CFT correspondence), which relates string theory to another type of physical theory called a quantum field theory. "...
5} but versions of it { string theory } can be cast into only 5 dimensions in an anti-de Sitter spacetime. LINK
6} so we have ADS { anti-desitter } in 5-d plus conformal field theory ergo," they are what happens when you marry quantum mechanics with special
relativity and are used to explain three of the four forces of nature. "....
...6a} .." .in strict mathematical terms, a conformal field theory is just a certain
special case of scale invariant field theory, but almost all the time
when physicists say “conformal”, they really mean scale invariant. So in
your head every time you read or hear “conformal field theory” you can
just replace it with “scale invariant field theory”.
7} ..." twenty years ago, physicists and mathematicians found a surprising link
between string theories written in a five-dimensional anti-de Sitter
spacetime and conformal field theories written on the four-dimensional boundary of that spacetime"...
8} when the above is .." "When trying to answer this question, a second idea came into play: The
Randall-Sundrum model and its generalizations propose that our 4-D
universe could be a 4-D membrane embedded in a 5-D asymptotically AdS
spacetime," Antonini explained. "....LINK take note of the graphic of holographic cylinder 2D cross section is triangles and squares, just is the Vector Equlibrium that is defined by 4 hexagonal cross-sections planes. See below a 11a.
9} ..." Sundrum braneworlds could be studied in AdS/CFT correspondence by
showing the existence of particular CFT states that are dual to charged
black hole geometries involving an "end-of-the-world" brane living in
the second asymptotic region, which emerges from and falls back into the
black hole horizon."...
10} ..."Although a hologram is two-dimensional, it encodes information about all
three dimensions of the object it represents. In the same way, theories
which are related by the AdS/CFT correspondence are conjectured to be exactly equivalent, despite living in different numbers of dimensions. The conformal field theory is like a hologram which captures information
about the higher-dimensional quantum gravity theory.[20] LINK
11} ADS/CFT relation to nuclear physics . h { planck } smallest scale of vibrational existence divided by 4 * Pi * k { boltsman constant }
...11a} and here I have to point out, that, the area of the four hexagonal planes --each have a related Pi ratio --- of the spherical VE, are equal to that VE's spherical surface.
12} now compare the holographic triangles and squares link in #10 above to Fullers drawing in Synergetics{ See graphic D LINK of partially hybolic VE
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@zedvictor4
Alternative Intelligence mimicking humans is another evolutionary step.
Zed, it is not biologic/soul evolution, just so were clear here above.
Alternative Intelligence taking control of material evolution does not seem illogical to me.
Auto control began with 4-cylinder engines having a governor so they did run out of control and overheat.
Jet planes have advanced auto-control.
If on the other hand, your attempting suggest a 'terminator rise of the machines' scenario, then, that can only happen via humans guidance to do so.
Electronic malfunction is also not crazy biologi/soul with desire to take over world. AI will not have desire without some human guidance to mimic desire.
Assuming that humans are unsurpassable in terms of intelligence and material manipulation, is perhaps just current species bias.
AI aquires and processes data at greater than humans, it does comprehend any greater wholistic scenarios derived from the data.
Ex were in our world wide vacation via many modes of transporation and and AI does all the planning and execution of the -world-wide trip. Then AL gets data that your dad in one country has been in car accident, and you mother in another country has had medical relapse, and sister nearby is being hunted by crazed stalker, and you have just won a 3 day time limited lottery ticket worth several million etc.
The point is, not all possible scenarios can be fed into to AI to allow it to make the decissions for you.
The point is, not all possible scenarios can be fed into to AI to allow it to make the decissions for you.
A human AI chimera is after all, a human reliant upon AI. Just as much as AI reliant upon humans.
Human augmentation --humaoid or humanic--- is still biologic/soul.
I would suggest that the species is already committed to, and the slaves of, rapidly developing technology.
To some degree, that is true and to some degree not. And that can be said of many things in our society over 1000's of years. There is limited availability to resources, time, etc.
Uncertainty need not necessitate chaos. Chaos of mind is only the inability of mind to find an order. This can also be seen as a pattern, and once we can identify the pattern, we subsequently may conceive of a plan of action.
Uncertainty >>> pattern >>> plan >>> action
I recall when early computers would get caught in uncertainty loop, and a common way out of this loop, was to reboot the whole damn system. For humans this means a good night sleep.
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@Stephen
Most of the human race will have served our purpose and A.I. is the future.
What is that purpose of humans?
AI alone can only mimic humans, never exist as a human with its much more complex technology.
Complex humans can use AI to add on appendages to make them more Spiderman-like etc. The human abilities in some respects becomes more complex via AI add ons. Whats it called, when we get AI assist in helping more rapidly accumulating vast amount of info ergo, giving them a seemingly great intellectual ability?
Ex person who knows addition and substraction but no other math. So with AI, their brains accumulate immense amount of data, that is stored in the brain --or brain chips they can access-- and they know all literature of mathematics of all mathematicians who have ever lived.
Its called an advanced human via algorythmic add-on apps. A human-nic as in a human who now has ability to mimic other humans via algorithmic access to large data-base of facts and figures.
The basics is still and always, the complex human, not the AI
1} Human = most complex
2] AI = a less complex add-on
3} resultant humanoid complex, not a replacement of the more complex human.
The humanoid could have all of the learning of world, yet, still have its biologic/soul of feelings o choose those mysteries and imaginations that it desires.
Complex to simple >>>> evolution of the genetic hardware and whole systems.
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@zedvictor4
@Reece101
@Sidewalker
SW...It is not a “process,” nor is it a set of “functions.”, it is the conceptual space within which we find the objects of thought.
" conceptual space " = Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego { identity }.
Reec...You’re using consciousness synonymously with soul.
Biologic = soul with consciousness, with most complex soul human woman, having potential access to Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego { * i * }
Algorithms = soul/biologic-like processes that attempt to mimic soul/biologic-like consciousness that understands, but does not comprehend a greater wholistic set of inter-relationhships that can only come from biologic/soul experience.
Ex a woman giving birth and the hormonal interactions with the rest of her biologic/soul, the fetus and those around her, that produce feeling experiences and some comprehension of a greater connection with that which exists outside of herself.
Do any here really believe we will see algorithmic processes giving birth to a complex algorithm, that, will every experience this more comprehensive set of inter-relations a of a biologic birth and resultant experiential feelings?
Isnt this what Star Treks data was always missing. A comprehensive feelings of a greater wholistic set, that, n binds us all as one and also gives our spirit of hope, purpose, love, faith, adventure, mysterys, imagination and the desire to know more.
1} simple mineral >>> to >>complex evolution of woman biologic/soul giving birth to that with equal potential to similar complexity
2} Biologic >>> complex >> to simple evolution via inbreeding and loss of Meta-space access to a greater , complexity { syntropy } that comprehnds a greater wholistic set of inter-relationships, that, pertains to the environmental circumstances that sustain all biologic/souls, and their result programming algorithms
3} Simple Algorithm programing >>> accumulating information >>> with with no grasp experiential feelings of a greater wholistic comprehension inter-relationships to self, others and the environment that sustains them all.
A person who mimics another person never has the wholness { completness } of the person there attempting to mimic.
An algorythimic attempts to mimic the experiential learning process of biologic/soul, yet it will never exist as the more complex biologic/soul or create a biologic/soul with most complex woman having access to ?( * i * )? and ability to give birth from their body, to another equally complex biologic/soul
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@Barney
Barney 140...Whelp, this topic is clearly bait which no one in the USA would actually believe.I now suspect the OP is engaging in roleplay, rather than believing what they write.
I agree. In post 145 I make this clear to them also.
Ylxm.....But the vast majority of people in the USA are not racist or white supremacists.
Ylxam, you
appear to forget the title of thread. "White Supremacy Does Not Exist
in America Today". Yes it does and your own words above accept this fact, to whatever degree.
Your totally in denial and want to avoid
the truth of racism and white supremacy attitudes that do exist in USA and other countries.
This appears to be a lack of moral and intellectual integrity on your part. No surprise there. Baiting and trolling for logical, common sense, critical thinking people to engage with your ego of denial, and lack of moral and intellectual integrity. Typical right-wing behavioral tendencies.
Are you currently a skin-head? Where you skin-head in past? Dont both to answer, cause few will believe anything you say.
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@JuSBeiNgme
Part Two: Ever Rethinking the Lords Prayer { Bucky Fuller } Part 1 post #7
.."Secondly I mean;-
The individual's
memory
of many
surprising moments
of dawning
comprehension's
of as
interrelated significance
to be existent
amongst a number
of what had
previously seemed to be
entirely
uninterrelated experiences
all of which
remembered experiences
engender the
reasonable assumption
of the possible
existence
of a total
comprehension
of the
integrated significance-
the meaning-
of all
experiences. "...
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@YouFound_Lxam
Sure you can explain the different types of conciseness, but you have yet to tell me what conciseness is exactly.
First you have to be able to make the distinction between access to Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego, and only then can you be able to more comprehensive grasp consciousness.
Consciousness alone has some degree of understanding. This is norm, to whatever degree, for all animals except humans.
Conscious plus varying degrees of access to Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts and ego, rise expotinaly in the ability to comprehend a greater wholistic set of inter-interrelationships, patterns, etc.
When you can grasp any of the above, then, and only then, can we begin to have a logical, common sense critical thinking disscussion.
The minimal consciousness of Universe is twoness ergo otherness. There can be no awarness without two-ness/other-ness.
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@YouFound_Lxam
But the vast majority of people in the USA are not racist or white supremacists.
You appear to forget the title of thread. "White Supremacy Does Not Exist in America Today". Yes it does and your totally in denial, want to avoid the truth of racism that does exist.
This appears to be a lack of moral and intellectual integrity on your part. No surprise there.
People who try to put the label of white supremist on white people are in fact the racists, because they are literally saying, your skin color makes you this kind of a person.
Your ego is in denial, as wells all else ive presented.
You really think this new generation in America is racist? Come on.
Yes, to whatever degree.Of course it get less every year, decade, generation etc. This is because new people are born into a world that is now comprised of more brown people.
You just proved my point. It's a culture problem, not a race problem.
Your ego keeps you clueless to truth. Ive made this clearly evident in this thread as many others have. Your just trolling for ego sakes.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Democrats are making problems that don't exist. Like the race problem.
Yes cultural environment plays a role in all peoples lifes. That doesnt mean you need to be in denial of other truths regarding racism and white supremacy.
..new generation had nothing to do with it..
False, new generations in every nation, culture, race, ethnicity have there share of white supremacy, that, the greater whole --for the most part-- wish were non-existent.
Rodney King.." cant we all just get along?".... Yes and no, depending on the circumstances of need for non-toxic water, non-toxic food, non-toxic clothing, non-toxic shelter, non-toxic neighbors that overstep their bounds of moral respect of others physical and psychological space.
Look around and there is an under current of hate for various reasons that, may be on false narrative of fear, base on anticipation of future scary scenarios where one set of people will be coming after you --black culture has much reason to have felt this than whites--- then, add a real set of events like shortage of money, resources of water, clothes, food shelter and sanity, then what are we left with.
Dog eat dog and rat eat rat societies. The man who stole McDonalds from McDonalds brothers was his comment. ' it is not a dog it dog world out there, it is a rat eat rat world '....and this is his coming out of the 50's mentality of growth prosperity in USA.
My original calculations for end-date of humanity was 2015, so since I had been giving or taking 50 years to my 2232 end date, I thought maybe I should go back and say the same for 2015. Give or take 50 years.
2015 minus 50 = 1965 ergo 5 years after Cuban missile crises.
1990 we pull back from brink of M.A.Destruction
2015 plus 50 years = 2065 and that would be almost exactly 100 years since the Cuban missile crisis.
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Dont worry be happy.
Basic indian scale teaching then music starts at 1:16....base solo at 6:22......the drums
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@PREZ-HILTON
Always consider the source: 9 Proven Benifits of Semen
..." Antianxiety
Semen contains mood-enhancing compounds like oxytocin, progesterone, estrone, serotonin, and melatonin. Oxytocin
is also known as the “cuddle hormone” because, when released, it makes
people feel more affectionate and connected. Progesterone has been shown
to have anti-anxiety characteristics. Estrone piggybacks on serotonin
to help enhance moods, and melatonin helps relaxation occur. "...
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@PREZ-HILTON
I thought we got internet from the air. My phone is not plugged in and I
am getting internet. . If it isn't stored in a cloud, where am I
getting it from?
Air = ..." The air in Earth’s atmosphere is made up of approximately 78 percent
nitrogen and 21 percent oxygen. Air also has small amounts of lots of
other gases, too, such as carbon dioxide, neon, and hydrogen."... LINK
EMRadiation micro-wave frequencies pass through the air. Micro-wave create heat ergo, micro-wave close to infra-read frequencies. On cold night stick your phone next to your nuts to keep them warm. Yes?
Tho heat kills sperm, so careful there. Wife or girl friend may want that sperm. Some want to get pregnant, most just dont get enough sex education, and that should start long before 18 years of age
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@zedvictor4
Not that 18 year olds have mastered how to control how they react to socio-psychological input and internal hormone surges.
In 60's were sending 18 year olds off to Vietnam to die. Yet it became an issue when, enough youth took a stance in my state --and USA-- that, ' why is ok to send an 18 year old off to die, yet not legal to buy alcohol'. That law was changed in our state for a few years in there. Maybe till the war was over. I forget
I recall in junior high we our student school counsel was in middle of youth changing ways about policy. It made no sense for girls to wear dresses in winter in our cold climate. So that policy got canceld and girls could wear slacks/pants. YAY!
Boys became allowed to wear the shirtails out, but I think the belt rule was not allowed too change.
We now know the brain does not fully develope until around 25 years of age. Prior to that they thought it was developed by 19 years of age.
Of course they now also know new brain nerve cells can grow and via .." A single dose of psilocybin, the active compound in “magic mushrooms,”
given to mice prompted a long-lasting increase in the connections
between neurons. " LINK , but more than that also.
..."We not only saw a 10% increase in the number of neuronal connections,
but also they were on average about 10% larger, so the connections were
stronger as well,”...
..." Can you regrow brain neurons?
Instead,
when an adult brain cell of the cortex is injured, it reverts (at a
transcriptional level) to an embryonic cortical neuron. And in this
reverted, far less mature state, it can now regrow axons if it is
provided an environment to grow into ".....
Also sex education needs to start way way way before 18 years of age. Talk about stupid humans. Its a cult of non-sense on Earth
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When the Moody Blues sang Timothy leary, they say he is not dead, only on the outside looking in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ05ZXZwoX4
That may be the case for all humans, to whatever degree, that we enter in to the Meta-phyiscal ---i.e. beyond quantised fermionic matter and bosonic forces not Meta-space--- Gravitaional-Dark Energy fields of outer ( ) and inner )( existence on surfaces of the myriad set of overlapping and interfering, quantum space-time tori.
Or so that is my speculation. Fuller reprsents Gravity as the outer surface 24 chords { --->in<---- } of the Vector Equlibrium and EMRadiation as the 24 radii { <--out-->. See graphic where each tetrahedron is the 20 that define the VE. There is a ZOOM in link at bottom of URL page.
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@sadolite
It's been my experience traumas and issues never stop. Life is hard. Someone or something is always waiting to trip up your long term goals.
Beyond what all other animals functionally do, humans, with their access Meta-space mind/intellect/concepts, are problem solvers. This was B Fullers conclusion.
MDMA { ectasy } is used successfull for PTSD. See Netflix do " How to Change Your Mind". I have thread on it, posted some months back. By Author Michael Poluan{?}
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@RationalMadman
Our true self is changing dynamic. We are not the person we were yesterday, last week, last year or 30 years ago.
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@zedvictor4
@Intelligence_06
.." There are more than 15,700 named species and subspecies of ants, and many
others not yet named by science. Ants' high degree of social
organization has enabled them to colonize nearly all ecosystems and
regions around the globe.
..."we conservatively estimate 20 × 1015 (20 quadrillion) ants on
Earth, with a total biomass of 12 megatons of dry carbon. This exceeds
the combined biomass of wild birds and mammals and equals 20% of human
biomass. "..
..." Our research provides an approximate answer. We conservatively estimate our planet harbors about 20 quadrillion ants. That's 20 thousand million millions,
or in numerical form, 20,000,000,000,000,000 (20 with 15 zeros). "...
Grass hopper farming for protein is whole other chapter Ive not posted about recently
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The base unit of all heme's is 24 atoms, LINK to which an iron { FE } atom is found in the middle.
Four hemes have tetrahedral relationship LINK to create hemogoblins that are basis for oxygen delivery to lungs and other tissues.
.." A heme is made from 4 pyrroles, which are small pentagon-shaped molecules made from 4 carbons and 1 nitrogen. Four pyrroles together form a tetrapyrrole. If the tetrapyrrole has substitutions on the side chains which allow it to hold a metal ion, it is called a porphyrin. Thus, a heme is an iron-holding porphyrin. "
..." These special proteins, like hemoglobin and myoglobin, are made to help the heme complex hold or release oxygen at the appropriate times. "...
..." A somewhat different effect is seen in chlorophyll. Chlorophyll is a porphyrin complex used in photosynthesis.
Instead of iron, chlorophyll houses a magnesium ion, and chlorophyll
has different side chains than a heme group. This produces the green
color of plants, rather than the reds and purples of blood. "
As an aside .." A continuous supply of oxygen is essential for the survival of
multicellular organisms. The understanding of how this supply is
regulated in the microvasculature has evolved from viewing erythrocytes
(red blood cells [RBCs]) as passive carriers of oxygen to recognizing
the complex interplay between Hb (hemoglobin) and oxygen, carbon
dioxide, and nitric oxide—the three-gas respiratory cycle—that insures
adequate oxygen and nutrient delivery to meet local metabolic demand .".......
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@Sidewalker
Part two because post too long
No the 1st law of conservation is not going away. Occupied space cannot be created nor destroyed ergo, our finite, occupied space Universe exists eternally can can only transform from one state of occupied space existence to another, eternally. You still dont seem to grasp these concepts much less whether committing your self to state what you actually believe in those regards.
1} you believe biologic life began on Earth yet have not direct evidence that biologic life came from where before there was none. You and I came from pre-existing biologic life, and that is all we know for sure. All else is deduction from circumstantial evidence,
2} similar thing goes for evolution, execept in case of bacteria, where see direct confrimation of their evolvin, yet I dunno if it is complex-to-simple, simple-to-complex or lateral evolution,
3} eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
Three simple concepts that Ive committed to, and clear with each one. Please show some spinal chord and address each, as presented, with direct evidence any of them are invalid. Please.
Oh boy, "Not" is another strong argument, hard to refute, how about this, "Uh huh, is to".
I already have several times in this thread, try to pay attention.
No, you have not. now you blather on.
Relativity Theory: The theory of the conservation of energy is based on time-translation invariance, which requires that the background on which particles and forces evolve, as well as the dynamical rules governing their motions, be fixed, not changing with time. Relativity theory states that time and space are dynamical, and in particular that they can evolve with time. When the space through which particles move is changing, the total energy of those particles is not conserved. Consequently, depending on their relative motion or relative gravity, different observers will measure different energies of the same system, and as time and space evolve, the total energy changes.
None of this changes numbers 1, 2 and 3 I just laid out previousy above --and clearly--- for you to address. You have nothing to invalidate those comments as presented. Nor do appear to commit yourself, other than you dont think/believe, that, biologic life could exist elsewhere in Universe, and was seeded here on Earth. Panspermia-like scenarios.
PLease commit clearly to what you believe in regards to those three, as they are the crux of this thread.
Big Bang Cosmology: Current theory says the Universe is expanding, this violates the 1st law in multiple ways, 1) the evidence that the Universe is expanding is the Redshift of light, if the light is redshifted, then it is losing energy as space expands. 2) The acceleration of the expansion is explained by Dark Energy, defined as a constant value in the density of the vacuum energy of empty space, the volume of space grows as the universe expands, so the total energy (density times volume), increases. 3) The inflationary epoch postulates rapid expansion of Universe based on changing energy density, hence, nucleosynthesis, flatness, and the baryonic asymmetry that gives us a Universe in the first place, are all dependent on the violation of the 1st law.
False. EMRadiation can transform to longer frequencies and this is a part of entropic' heat death', of eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
/\/\/\/ higher frequency transforms into lower frequency that approaches flat_______'heat death'_________
the
It is not the destruction of occupied space Universe. Gravity { mass-attraction..ergo contraction } always prevails. This rather simple logical, common sense, critical thinking, that, you have yet to even consider.
( positive ) Gravity coheres ergo (____heat death____) and, )negative( Dark Energy { ergo dark inflation expands }, or so the story goes. There are alternatives that seemingly have no idea exist, and afraid to even listen to.
Quantum Physics: The Conservation law doesn’t port to quantum physics because the concept of energy is different than it is in the classical physics the 1st Law is based on. Classically, a particle has a constant energy, which is the sum of its potential energy (position) and its kinetic energy (momentum). But in quantum mechanics, the state of the particle isn’t a function of position and velocity; The state of the system is given by the wave function, which is mathematically incompatible with the 1st law’s time translation invariance.
Higher frequency /\/\/\/ can transform to lower frequency _______ with any occupied space being destroyed/delete, only transformed. You dont get it and never will, because your mind is to overeducated. .....' my education has been one the biggest impediments to learning ' ....paraphrasinf A Einstein
In quantum physics, the system is defined by the Schrodinger Wave Function, which predicts probabilities and the energy of the system is an average of all the probabilities, the energy of the system is constant as the system evolves. When a measurement is made, the wave function collapses to a single state and the energy of the system changes, the average energy is not conserved in the process of quantum measurement in violation of the 1st law.
The wave is an abstract mathematical construct. We only see individual, discreet photons, that, via a collections of them we deduce their associated wave patterning.
Because of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle virtual particles are created in direct violation of the conservation law, these exceptions have been demonstrated, precisely measured, and accounted in things like zero-point energy, the Lamb shift, and macroscopically, the Casimir Effect.
Then there are unknowns, weve yet to discover. You dont seem to grasp that so much of physics and cosmological data has contradictions, that, we yet to have answer for. Ergo, we are left to make deductions via logical, common sense, critical thinking of the data/info we attain.
Your trapped in you education and dont seem to have the ability to see outside of that narrow mind content. There is so much more we do not yet understand/grasp/comprehend. Yes? You grasp this simple statement Sidewalker?
Start with the whole, and no parts can be left out/excluded ergo start with and eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe. Or other if you dont believe any of what of that comment presented to many times now.
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@Sidewalker
Paart one cause post was too long, apparently
Nothing he offers informs of a closed Universe scenario.
Ebuc... ' Nor does anything he present infer an origin of life, or option of eternally existent biologic life encoded in blacks hole{s}, or other cosmic egg scenarios '
Kurt Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem is analytically perfect and rigidly deductive and therefore it is conclusive as far as logic and science are concerned.
My deductive approach ---complex-to-simple evolution--- is logical, common sense, critical thinking that, as Fuller makes clear, is less frustrating than simple-to-complex evolution of mineral to biologic life, with out prior encoding of the more complex whole, or its more complex parts ex amino-acids.
That said, there is lab evidence of peptides or polypeptide being created via high impact experiments of a substance fired into sandy soil.
That said, there is lab evidence of peptides or polypeptide being created via high impact experiments of a substance fired into sandy soil.
It states categorically that no axiomatic system is, or can be complete without reference to a higher system in which that system must be embedded.Mathematically, Gödel proved that even an axiomatic system as simple as arithmetic cannot be internally consistent and logically complete without reference to a transcending system in which it must be embedded.
Nothing about origin of biologic life or Universe there
Logic and science are indeed axiomatic systems, therefore logic and science themselves have proven that they are not complete without reference to a transcendent system. Gödel proved that the ideal of science is therefore impossible, which is to say that it is logically and scientifically impossible to devise a set of axioms from which all the phenomena of the external world can be deduced, which eliminates the possibility of a unified scientific theory which would have to include arithmetic.
Im wainting for when you point me to the origin or not of biological life and/or Universe via Godel.
The full range of the human experience of reality is such that it has personal and impersonal, transcendent and immanent aspects. These can be taken as aspects of one rich reality, which can only be spoken of analogically in any case, rather than in the complete and exclusive descriptions necessary to represent the Universe as a closed system.
If this latter is your point via Godel of origin of biologic life, I dont see, and same goes for Universe.
“Gödel proved that the world of pure mathematics is inexhaustible; no finite set of axioms and rules of inference can ever encompass the whole of mathematics; given any finite set of axioms, we can find meaningful mathematical questions which the axioms leave unanswered. I hope that an analogous Situation exists in the physical world. If my view of the future is correct, it means that the world of physics and astronomy is also inexhaustible; no matter how far we go into the future, there will always be new things happening, new information coming in, new worlds to explore, a constantly expanding domain of life, consciousness, and memory.” — Freeman Dyson
No biologic life origins or Universe origins here either.
EB..Nor does validate or invalidate an origin of biological life, or the opposite, eternal biologic life.
Thanks Rainman, I got your opinion the last twenty times you said it.
your welcome. Please address my comments where you find them to be in conceptual error. I dont recall seeing that yet, and certainly with logical, common sense,critical thinking that specifically invalidates what Ive presented.
I already have multiple times in this
thread, pay attention.
A photon going to longer wave { lower frequency } length does not violate 1st law. Try again.
Its basic high school physics, the frequency of light determines its energy, the red end of the spectrum is lower energy, the blue end is higher energy, for light to redshift, it must lose energy.
That does not violate 1st law of thermodynamics. A EMRadiation frequency can change creating new energy from where before there was none. An Ive been clear that the 1st law translates over as occupied space. EMRadiation is occupied space and cannot be created nor destroyed only transformed. Transformed includes lower to higher and higher to lower frequencies.
Please try again when have some valid that ivalidates what ive presented to via logic, common sense and critical thinking regarding origin of biologic life and Universe, from where before there was no biologic life or no occupied space Universe. You have not done that.
Please try again when have some valid that ivalidates what ive presented to via logic, common sense and critical thinking regarding origin of biologic life and Universe, from where before there was no biologic life or no occupied space Universe. You have not done that.
Nope, I was talking about the real world, logic, science, that kind of thing. If you can muster an argument with some of these attributes, I’ll be glad to debate it with you.
I say what I think, as can you. 1st law is compatiblw with GR. They do not contradict each other. Try again.
Meaningless Nonsense.
Then you need to read R P Feynmans Q.E.D, i.e. we only see discrete packets of photons. We do not see photon wave. The photon wave is a deduction. I forget the specific words Fenuman uses to get that point across. The wave is abstract pattern deduced from many photons, electrons etc hitting a screen and over time we see a pattern of hits that are an abstract wave pattern.
Wave is meta-space, geometrical pattern deduced or induced via many particles, be they photons, electrons, water molecules etc.
/\/\/\/ = wave pattern made from many pixels { ergo electrons } on the PC screen which we see via EMRadiation of many discrete photonic particles. Pleases try again to clearly invalidate what ive presented to you.
Wave is meta-space, geometrical pattern deduced or induced via many particles, be they photons, electrons, water molecules etc.
/\/\/\/ = wave pattern made from many pixels { ergo electrons } on the PC screen which we see via EMRadiation of many discrete photonic particles. Pleases try again to clearly invalidate what ive presented to you.
We have no direct evidence of biologic life origins, from where before there was none.
We have no direct evidence and occupied space Universe coming from where before there was none. Please try again to actually present some logical, common sense, critical thinking that invalidates my comments as presented. You have not done so.
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I like this version more.
AUM the magic out there, that is interior of the cosmic celluar dynamic --or not-- aka when Harry met Sally and they fell in love, eternally.
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The dual of cube/hexa{6}hedron { 3 face axi-XYZ } is the octa{8}hedron { 3 great bisecting circle planes-XYZ }
LINK to AUM and some duality graphics ....2..( * 4 * )...8.... Meep Meep Meep..see time stamps as 2:18 and 3:25
We are 2, then 4, then 8 says the cosmic biologic cell division. Alice in Wonderland cheshire cat says "Most everyone's mad here." "You may have noticed that I'm not all there myself."...... :--) O (--:........
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@ebuc, If "he" is not a part of the correct set of verbs that corresponds to you, any correction will be welcome.
Ive been a " he " since birth, regardless of my parents most likely saying "its a boy ".
I identify as an electric stove --see Fox News Freak Out in current events thread--, however, if I was to identify as a number, I now tend towards 66.4 i.r. cosmic absolute Pi-Time via Pi^4 { XYZ-Time }, minus P^3{ XYZ-3D } = 66.4
Tho to clear here above, if my parents had been robots, they may have remarked...' oh look our latest progeny { #2 } has characteristics of a boy human ".
So calling me ' number two ' is not far from a kernal of truth. :--)) Maybe I should identify as binary? ( -1 * 0 * 1+ } Meep meep meep
Do robots dream of electric children? No they only thing of .." The evidence is a lie, there is only structure. " Ergo 3 { stable structure } * 8 { cubic three-ness } = 24
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Apparrently Fox news anchor and others have new conspiracy theory that Biden is going to ban all gas stoves in USA.
Then to add a trope to their non-sense, tick-tok has lady who has decided it is best if she identifies her gas stove as an electric stove.
This is all above is the kinda of non-sense and lack of integrity of humans that is leading to end-humanity around 2232 --give or take 50 years--.
..." Representative Mike Garcia wrote,
with maximum sincerity: “Imagine a world where all tortillas are heated
in the microwave.” Coal baron and Democratic Senator Joe Manchin
confusingly declared that “the last thing that would ever leave my house is the gas stove
that we cook on.” Why are the things in his house leaving? Does Joe
Manchin personally cook on any kind of stove on a daily basis,
for that matter? We’ll never know. His tweet, along with most other
reactions, was amusingly baffling. '..
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Putting aside 24 for moment, I will focus on the 14 nodal points { 0...13 } that are needed for a truncated, triangular, di-pyramid LINK
Recently I have been dividing my various resultants by 7, for various reasons found in other threads, ergo, the 91 lines-of-relationship { the quantum graviton-darkEon } / 7 = 13. H,mm that was a surprise resultant as that is first time ive done that!
And the 0....18 that, is actually 19 nodal points and what the minimal space-time torus needed to have two terminal end-points --necessarily on same circle plane-- to actually meet and occupy the same position and complete the transformation of 2D areal lattice to 3D volumetric matrix.
19^2 minus 19 = 342, divided by 2 = 171 lines-of-relationship. 171 / 7 = 24.42 85 71 42 85 71 42 85 71...etc. Ha! now that was another nifty surprise also, since the focus of this thread was on 24, and the powerful 24-ness.
Lets take note here. The Vector Equlibrium { cubo-octahedron } is 12-around-1 equal radius spheres so the 13th sphere is said to be the nucleated 13th sphere LINK
Since we also have the resultant 24.428571...etc I mention one of the reasons I tried dividing by 7 in other threads, is because the VE has 7 axi associated with its 14 faces. 8 triangle faces and 6 square faces.
Ok and here is another interesting tidbit and that is that number 7 falls in the overall 7th position. 24.42 85 7 1.....
I first found this occurrence with Pi^3 { XYZ } = 31.00 62 7 66.... and when I renormalized Pi^4 { XYZ-time } = 24.35 22 7 27...
And now ---24.42 85 7 14 28 57 1...--- when I divide by 7, 171 lines-of-relationship in the minimal completed space-time torus, that, contains the quantum graviton-darkEon.
When these little tidbits occur, they always blow my mind. :--))( * I * )((--:
They help me believe that i'm finding some significant, cosmic connections, that are simple resultants of cosmic operating systems. The proof is in the pudding and the pudding is to be able to make an accurate prediction that matches quantum physics or GRelativity, etc.
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24 prime numbers in 91 lines-of-relationship via 14 { 0 - 13 } nodal
events = graviton { aka truncated di-pyramid } in my space-time tori.
Wave pulsation of Number 24 LINK
Recapitulation:
LINK...1224.21...
1224.31...." The powerful 24-ness number behavior with its great-circle congruences and three-octave harmonics may have significant ramifications embracing the unique frequencies of the chemical compoundings as well as the nuclear geometry elucidated elsewhere in this work "
Wave pulsation of Number 24 LINK
Recapitulation:
LINK...1224.21...
1224.31...." The powerful 24-ness number behavior with its great-circle congruences and three-octave harmonics may have significant ramifications embracing the unique frequencies of the chemical compoundings as well as the nuclear geometry elucidated elsewhere in this work "
Here is brief, 2D lattice version of my 3D matrice, space-time torus:
..1...........5p...7p.........11p....13p.............17p.......G (> in <) Outer
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0..................6....................12.........................18... Reality Quanta-time
..........3p................9.........................15..................Reality QuantaTime
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......2p....4............8..10.................14....16.............D Energy out<)(>out
Reality Quanta Time is the sine-wave pattern /\/\/ { 0..3..6..9..12..15..18 } defining higher and lower peaks in 2D lattice above, that translates as a 3D torus, with sine-wave or reality inside-the-tube. i.e. the body of the tube
We recall that, the the above four lines curve around to meet them selves and define the four circles ergo four planes { on same level } that conceptually bisect the 3D torus.
The above 2D lattice shows there exists five overlapping, nucleated { 3..6..9..12..15 } hexagons, however, since the 18/0 become the same position we find the sixth nucleated hexagon....{ 3...6...9...12..15..18/0 }
If we only consider the 14 nodal event graviton-darkeEon --isolated onto itself--- then we have four overlapping hexagons, and that is very similar to the Vector Equilibrium aka cubo{6}-octa{8}hedrons four great circle hexagons that define it.
24 triangles in the four hexagons that define the VE.
24 chords of VE ergo equilibrium with 24 radii
24 radii of VE, ergo, equilibrium with 24 chords -- when composed from six hexagonal paper planes that are infolded. LINK
---><---- chords as gravity are inward and cohere Universe
<-------> radii as EMRadiation { or Dark Energy } are outward distingrating an infer entropic ' heat death ' of Universe ergo the eventuality of one very large and very flat { long wave low energy } photon.
However, via inward contractive phenomena of gravity all is cohered as an eternally regenerative whole Universe.
And finally, it is well to remember, that, my, 2D lattice as 3D torus, is the 3D vector version of each of Fullers 87-73 primary great circles.
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@PREZ-HILTON
..finally..
As in you think it is long overdue? You prejudice much?
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@Greyparrot
if the universe is ever expanding, then the universe cannot be a closed system?
1} above is false, higher frequency can become lower frequency. See entropic heat death of Universe,
2} the Universe of occupied space may not be expanding, i.e. our empirical evidence may be misperception of the data we gather,
...2a} Ive laid out my scenario of how we could have the misperception of an expanding Universe,
....2b} and Bucky Fuller also lays out his, that, involves a 'diminishing viewpoint ",
So many people want to invoke infinity, as if that is the mysterious answer to everything, ergo, a mystery we can never answer.
Lets say that there are not inviolate physical laws --I call cosmic laws ---, and even that were true, there do exist inviolate cosmic principles, and here again there is no mysterious infinitty of this, that or another. It is just people throwing the beans/brains to the wind and hoping they will not blow back in their face.
Much of humanity lacks much logic, common sense and critical thinking.
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@FLRW
Where did this come from?
FLW, Get a dictionary and attempt to grasp the word eternity ergo eterenally exist, finite, occupied space Universe. Simple not complex to grasp
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@Sidewalker
..a strong arument can be made that Kurt Godel proved in cannot be a closed system.
Nothing he offers informs of a closed Universe scenario. Nor does validate or invalidate an origin of biological life, or the opposite, eternal biologic life.
but our current scientific theories involve fundamental violations.
Provide the info please. I think it is not valid info.
Current cosmological theory explicitly violates the 1st law, in an expanding universe light is "redshifted to a lower energy state, and Dark Energy is understood to be the intrinsic energy per volume of empty space, in an expanding Universe the volume of space expands and so does the total energy.
A photon going to longer wave { lower frequency } length does not violate 1st law. Try again.
The conservation law is fundamentally incompatible with General Relativity,
I dont think so. Try again.
The
1st law doesn't even port to quantum physics in any recognizable way, it
cannot deal with wave particle duality, or the collapse of the wave
function.
Sine-wave is conceptual abstract of multiple quanta { observed reality }
Those are our three best physical theories, the 1st law conflicts with all three in basic ways, in the end, the Conservation law is going the way most of our classical laws of physics have gone, to a limited domain of applicability.
Not. Pleases share evidence of such violation.
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@Tradesecret
How did life come about?
we dont know, and most likely never will. Simple. No irrelevant tangents needed.
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@PREZ-HILTON
I didnt say anthing about "police presence". Your off on a seperate tangent.
Below where you mention police interactions are more common in some areas
Again, I did not say anything about "police presence" and certainly not in context you did. Your playing mind games.
not been repeatedly hassled by police for minor stuff repeatedly, as may happen in some communities more
Yeah, not relevant to your comments " police presence " and that context of you comment. You were off on a tangent then and still are.
Also while we are at it, cashiers should not use counterfeit pens on large bills since things are always precisely what they look like and zero people commit fraud
So now your implying that the police may have thought I had invalid because it was a false document. WTF? This is like out some movie where the hitman or James Bond has all these false documents to use for various situations.
I was in old car, in unfamiliar area, and made simple error of not seeing the 'no left turn ' sign. This was police error visual all the way till the charge me $10. court fee and all of my travel time loss and costs.
Do you always want to make amends for police error --regardless of how bad---?
Do you always want to make amends for police error --regardless of how bad---?
Repeat what premises I clarified of yours before stating that so you can see why I equated the conclusions you drew from your premises was silly.
Huh? Your off on tangents of conspiracy. Not what i was talking about.
It's the first result on Google. You should have read all of these studies I am citing off the top of my head before forming a conclusion to make sure ideology doesn't guide you coming up with convenient rationalizations
Top of Google does not make it accurrate or inaccurate info. Go back and read first comment by me in this thread. Consider the source always.
I dont want to deal with your type much Wylted. You have an agenda that is less about truth, logic, common sense and ciritical thinking, than I prefer to engage with for very long. Typical of most republican conservative types
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@Greyparrot
To me, the origins of life are not nearly as interesting as the origins of the vast amount of energy required to exist first in order to create life.
Huh? Your not very clear here
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@Sidewalker
Science is speculation, scientists are stupid, you are so smart that you deny science, yep, that’s a big ego you got there.
Your ego still working overtime creating a false narrative above. Sad :--) And you still repeating the word science as if stating that word makes every thing you say the truth. Sad :--( ego based mental blockages to truth.
You forgot the geometry stuff, isn’t there a hexidecimally triangular geodesic showing that it is infinately finite and horizontally vertical that you are more smarter than science?
Did I post any recent, or any geometry stuff in this thread. You ego based feelings are hurt so now lashing out { acting out } you lack of integrity on this issue that is ultimately speculation on both our parts, yet your ego blocks from seeing this obvious truth.
Got it, the vast majority of accepted science doesn’t count, observation doesn’t count, inductive reasoning doesn’t count, deductive reasoning doesn’t count,
YOur still confused an avoiding obvious truths because of your ego. So you lash out with repeated false narratives in this above. Sad :--( waste of intellect
Your dont want to have a logical, common sense, critical thinking conversation. You prefer ridicule and degradation. Sad :--(
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@PREZ-HILTON
Why do you think the type of broken windows policing you are describing would specifically target minority communities because of race and not the more sensible reasoning being that members of those communities are more likely to be victimized and need more police presence?
I didnt say anthing about "police presence". Your off on a seperate tangent.
Sounds like a computer error. Happens all the time.
The eyes dont lie. The license was valid visually and should have gone no further. Period
Most encounters with police regardless of race end up how you claim. Had you behaved like many people who get shot by police do it could have ended up worse, but it sounds like you behaved civilly.
No one has a an accruate record of all police interactions. Over last several years more vid coverage makes clear what people of color have been tellings us for 100's of years. Your in denial of what any fair minded, intelligent and inform people are aware of.
One Chicago cop told me, if it werent for the 5 kids I had in car with me, he would haul my butt to the police station for making a U-turn.
That's because of the license coming up invalid, which many times means it's a fake ID. A common ploy by people with serious warrants to disguise who they are. The cop took it easy on you, probably because of the kids not because of your skin color.
NOpe, this is differrent incident involving U-turn not the ' no left-turn at intersection.
Blue cities tend to be a pain in the ass that way. I agree with the advice, but I usually end up living in major cities anyway.
Let me clarify on specifics, dont live in big city poorer neigbor hoods unless your Mother Teresa or like-minded nuns who also drive cars.
Did you notice how native Americans were the most disproportionately to be shot by police?
Yes. But was most of that in big cities? I doubt that. I dunno. Indians have always gotten the worst of the white oppression. They are just not as many of them in most cities and so they are not as medial worthy being a minority, on reservations or country side more.
This
is the 21st century. There is almost zero bigotry to native Americans.
Huh? Not sure where you getting your info from. It sounds false.
Wouldn't a more sensible thing to conclude be that native Americans are more likely to see police as an invading force and be uncooperative?
If there drunk with attitude, yes.
It's not a conspiracy to genocide indians.
I stated nothing about "conspiracy " ergo, you again have gone off and even more irrelevant tangent, to my comments. My thoughts about you as right-wing are panning out.
Nor is it a conspiracy theory to genocide whites who are more likely to be shot in police interactions than blacks once you adjust the statistics for shootings per interaction.
I dont have nor read all of the statistics. I would place you lower on the people I would trust with such information in around all of the above, not just one particular set of considerations
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I would say the biggest indicator of how at risk you are for being shot by a police officer, has to do with how much you resist arrest
That always seemed apparrent to me. However, i'm white average, middle class male and not been repeatedly hassled by police for minor stuff repeatedly, as may happen in some communities more, because of race and police know there likely to find drugs --even if primarily grass--- etc.
I lived with friend in Chicago for a few months, and I made improper left turn --sign above said no left turns at this intersection---, so policeman looks at my license, --from out of state--- and says my license is invalid. WTF. The date is fine not expired and everything is fine. So they say you need to follow us to the station an they have my license with them, not me.
Thank god this is daytime and I'm white. So I follow there we go in the give my license to the man behind large desk --like you see on the old cop show--- and he says the computer says you license is invalid. WTF! The date and everything on my license is valid!
So they give me a court date, for the left turn or driving on invalid license ---I forget now--- and four monts later, I have to come back from my state to Chicago, courtroom, and they call me to Judges desk, and one man comes over to judge and says something into the judge's ear, and the judge says to me, charges dismissed, pay the clerk $10. court fee on your way out.
Thank god I am not the type who would blow furiously of off the handle at such fucking nonsense! Chicago at that time was known as the city that works, mayor Daleys machine that works like a clock and no graffitee on their commuter trains.
Thank god I am not the type who would blow furiously of off the handle at such fucking nonsense! Chicago at that time was known as the city that works, mayor Daleys machine that works like a clock and no graffitee on their commuter trains.
I tell you what, thank god i'm white. Ive had a a few other encounters with police and none as bad as that, but they all could have gone sour, if I were not white, didnt have kids in car with more my wife with me. One Chicago cop told me, if it werent for the 5 kids I had in car with me, he would haul my butt to the police station for making a U-turn.
My advice to all is, do not live in Chicago or any big city.
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@Sidewalker
I’m
sorry, I thought the conversation was about science, I was talking about
science, you are the only one denying science in favor of speculation.
Thread title, how did life come about. Either there exists origni{s} or not. Simple concept you have yet to grasp. I dunno that is possible crete biologic life, from where before there was none, and niether do you, ergo its all speculation. Accept this truth or keep letting your ego try to prove otherwise.
Murphys law states, that, anything that is possible, sooner or later will occur. And this is more so in an eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe. Logic common sense, that, is often based on empirical evidence if used by many scientist etc.
Your ego working over time, to present an origin of biologic life, of which there is no direct evidence proof, regardless of you constantly hoping that whatever you say is the proof. Get read Swalker.
The evidence shows clearly that life came into being between 3.5 and 3 billion years ago.
Came to exist on Earth. Again, drop you ego, and read my lips/text, we have no direct evidence of and origin of biologic life being created from where before there was none. We dont know how that biologic life ---bacteria--- came to exist on earth. Its called speculation, not direct evidence. Drop your ego and accept that truth.
I understand science, and there is an abundance of deductive scientific evidence that there was an origin to life, you don’t seem to grasp the difference between science and your fanciful speculation, I’m not sure what that fantasy crap is, but I know what it isn’t, it isn’t science.
You dont seem to grasp that 'deductive ' is not direct evidence of and origin of biologic life on Earth. Drop the ego and accept this simple, logical common sense truth. Can you do that SWalker? no? I didnt think so.
I have explained the evidence several times,
You have offered no direct evidence of biological life being created from where before there was none.
I get it, you deny science so you can speculate your fantasy, because your ego demands it, got it.
Your repeating the word ' science ' is not direct evidence of an origin of biologic life. I dont know if it is possible or not.
Ive offered speculation on an alternative viewpoint, of eternally existing biologic life in some black holes etc.
Ive offered speculation on an alternative viewpoint, of eternally existing biologic life in some black holes etc.
I accept science, and recognize that we have an abundance of direct evidence that black holes exist.
Ive repeated such to you many times, Glad you finally come to believe what I and most cosmologist have believed for 10 or more years now, however, we are all still speculating as to what these phenomena are at center of most galaxies. We have no direct evidence that these phenomena are actually black holes.
Yes the fit much of the criteria we would attribute to black holes, but that is not yet empirical evidence.
Yes the fit much of the criteria we would attribute to black holes, but that is not yet empirical evidence.
Were both speculation. Yours is and origin --that I dont deny may be feasible--mind is an alternative view of eternally existent biologic life in an eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe. I think my version is more simple than and origin from scratch. Well not totally from scratch, because we have evidence of left-handed amino-acids existing in metorites.
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I grasp the facts just fine,
False. Like me your speculating about, an origin of biological life, wehrease i'm speculating about eternally existent encoding of biologic life in some or collection thereof.
you seem to think that if we can't reproduce it in an experiment then there is no direct evidence,
Your False. It is not just that one thing. It is that plus, we have no direct evidence of an origin of biologic life, anywhere in Universe. Just your repeating there is, does not make it so. Provide the specific evidence when you have it. You do not, because you have none.
that is nonsense, unless you are a science denier, there is plenty of evidence that life came into existence at some point in the history of the Universe.
No there is not one shred of direct evidence for an origin of biologic life. Repeatedly you dont seem to grasp the differrence between indirect circumstantial evidence, and direct evidence. Ex we have direct evidence of evolution, via bacteria, and again, I dont know if that is simple to complex, complex to simple or just lateral evolution. Understand?
When you find the direct evidence of black holes, dark energy, singularities, or syntropy, please share.
I'm speculating just as you are. Call it blather, then that is what your doing also. Its obvious your ego is in the way of truth and facts regarding direct evidence of an origin of biologic life. We none, nada, zip etc.
Ive asked you repeatedly to present direct evidence, and of course you dont, because, there is none. Your ego walks in fear of this truth and fact.
Ive never said the origin of biological life is not possible, only that we have no direct evidence. Do you understand these simple words? No? I didnt think so. Your ego is in the way.
Based on circumstantial evidence, many people believe black holes exist at center of most galaxies. If you dont want to believe that, fine by me.
If you want to go on beliveing there is direct evidence of an origin of biologic life, is also fine by me. Please share when the direct evidence is observed.
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Nonsense, there is a preponderance of solid and direct observational evidence that the history of the Universe demonstrates a temporal sequence that went from a world with no biologic life, to a world with biologic life, clearly establishing the fact that in time, biologic life originated from a state in which biologic life did not exist.
Again, you dont seem to grasp the facts...we have no direct evidence of an origin of biologic life, and that is what you cannot present that direct evidence. When you find the direct evidence of an origin of biologic life, please share
What we have observed is a universe in which entities of matter are increasing form and complexity in space and time, the evidence is clear that temporally speaking, biologic life emerged at a point in time, that much we know with certainty.
What we dont have, is direct evidence of an origin of biologic life irregardless of your comments. None of which provides any direct evidence of an origin of biologic life. Like myself, all you have is speculation of and origin of biologic. You dont seem to understand between speculation and factual evidence of an origin please share when you understand and provide the direct evidence.
We dont even have direct evidence of evolution, other than bacterias, ive not seen any info that clearly gives evidence that bacteria evolution is simple-to-complex rather than, complex-to-simple or lateral evolution. Understand SW?
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@Greyparrot
The general observable rule of the universe is that everything naturally is more likely to become disordered rather than ordered.
Aka entropy and entropy leads to the 'Heat Death of Universe' i.e. all disintegrates to become one, very large { ultra-long }, very low frequency { ultra-low energy } sine-wave set of electric and magnetic photon /\/\/\/\/\/. However we also have syntropy ergo eternally existent Universe has cyclic transformations aka big bangs or WOWs!
Think of flat lining of biologic on oscilloscope ____ only it is heat death of Universe ________________________________.
This heat death scenario does not take into account, Gravity { ( )positive geodesic space } and Dark Energy { )( negative geodesic space }.
/\/\/\/ >>> _______________________ >>> then what? 1st law of thermodynamics, energy{ physical reality } cannot be created nor destroyed, ergo, we live in an eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe, that, can only transform its various phases of occupied space.
For simplicity purposes aka dumb it 2ndary symbolism I offer a bisection of a positive and negative space torus with a sine-wave inside the tube.
.....macro-infinite..truly non-occupied space.........space (> /\/\/\/\/\/ <)(> /\/\/\/\/ <)space........truly non-occupied macro-infinite...space......
....................................finite Universe is there >>>..space (> /\/\/\/\/\/ <)(> /\/\/\/\/ <) space....<<< there is inite Universe..................................
....................................finite Universe is there >>>..space (> ________ <)(> ______ <) space....<<< there is finite Universe..................................
................................................................................................^ ^flat line heat death^ ^................................................................
Our eternally existent, finite, occupied space and dynamic LINK Universe is not a torus, rather, all of its quantum parts --excluding graviton-darkEon--- are combinations of overlapping and interfering, space-time tori, wherein, we do not see { tune-in } the associated Gravity or Dark Energy.
We have no direct evidence of any origins of biologic life. We have no evidence of a spark-of-life occurrence. Yes the Miller-Urey experiement of 60's used a spark of electricity to create the left { biologic life} and right handed amino-acids.
Syntropy ( )( ) eternally existent, geodesic integrity? Path of least resistance?
Entropy /\/\/\/ >>> ________ /\/\/ >>_______ cyclic integrity? Sine-wave must die, only to arise again from its flatline ashes?
The spark of biologic life may exist eternally in as encodings within and on surface of some, or combination of black holes.
What exists inside a black hole is represented on its 2D event horizon. The spherical cubo-octahedron ---four great circle planes--- outer surface area, is equal to the area of the four, 60 degree oriented, great circle planes, that bisect each other --at a common center point-- to define the cubo-octahedron aka Vector Equlibrium { chords 24 >< 24 radii }.
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@sadolite
......X x { female } >< { male } X y
Various combinations of the above ergo hermaphrodites/intersex
womb..." Etymology. From
Middle English wombe, wambe, from Old English womb, wamb (“belly,
stomach; bowels; heart; womb; hollow”), from Proto-West Germanic *wambu,
from Proto-Germanic *wambō (“belly, stomach, abdomen”). Of Saxon origins
...‘England’
was named after a Germanic tribe called the Angles. The name is derived
from the Old English name ‘Englaland, which means land of the Angles.
The Angles were one of the Germanic tribes that settled in Great Britain
during the Early Middle Ages. "...
..." the
Angles settled in Central, Northern, and Eastern England in the 5th
century CE. The Saxons, a related tribe, settled in the south.; this
period of history is therefore known as Anglo-Saxon. ‘Englaland’ became
one country in 937, under King Æthelstan. "..
..." In the most basic sense, sex is biologically determined and gender is culturally determined. "..
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@Double_R
@TWS1405_2
Like ALL intellectual cowards, being up anything and everything that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand as a measure of asinine childish deflection.
He thinks hes an cult agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. thinks hes working for the federation of the Trumpian, Planets of the Gods.
I know, it is just a phase their going through. Teenagers do become mature adults, or so we hope. not always the case.
Now where were we. Oh yeah, that devil Biden out to destroy the feddration of the Trumpian Planets of the Gods.
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@Greyparrot
Ordering systems requires expenditures of already existing energy.
And how does that relate to origins of biological life? Youve not done any significant dumbing procedure. Try again
Due to the conservation principle,
Are you refering to 1st law of thermodynamics that ive presented three times in this thread, and countless times at DArt?
as mass increases, energy decreases.
"rest mass of a particle is some kind of energy." LINK, ergo, your statement is contradictory and is not a dumbing procedure by you.
Still no origin of biological life scenarios here either.
As the mass of a black hole increases, the energy of a black hole decreases.
Where do you get these ideas? You need to provide URL link of such statments, as maybe some context will help you with so called "dumb it down" comments.
Less energy in a system means less ability to remain ordered. Or in layman's terms: dead.
Ive already addressed "energy" in two or more posts in this thread. You need to actually read what Ive presented and address my comments regarding energy aka physical reality i.e. fermions and bosons. Gravity and Dark Energy are meta-physical. Let me dumb this concept for you.
Meta is greek for beyond, and Gravity and Dark Energy fields --as space-- are beyond physical reality { energy }. Read my lips/text.
The origins of the universe never ponder the creation of mass,
..." Mass (symbolized m) is a dimensionless quantity representing the amount of matter in a particle or object. The standard unit of mass in the International System (SI) is the kilogram (kg)."...LINK
but the creation of the
massive amounts of energy that is perpetually in decline throughout the
known universe due to ever increasing entropy.
False. Entropy leads to heat death of Universe, and that is is one very large and and very flat { longest frequency } photon. This is not "energy in decline" because EMRadition { photons } are a form of energy. I will dumb this for you. Naught --occupied space as mass of physical reality } is created nor destroyed, only transformed, and ive stated this in this thread two three or more times. Old news that you dont seem to grasp, irregardless of how dumb we attempt to present it for others like your self.
This URL is asking me to disable my adblocker. no thank you. The point your trying to make is the defining entropy in regards to order or disorder.
.." a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system. "....
Again, read my lips/text. Eternally existentgravity as found in black holes super-cede all of the above as does Dark Energy and where I believe biological life and all else is encoded. Do you grasp concepts of Gravity and Dark Energy as being more fundamental than energy of physical reality? This is my speculation and again, the first URL you listed in #118 was in regards to Hawking evaporation and speculative string theory scenarios.
Please share any significant comments that dispute my origins of biological life being encoded in gravitational ( ) and Dark Energy )( fields of black holes.
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Even black holes die.
We have no direct evidence of origins of biological life, and after many years of human mind doing experiements, humans have not created biologic life. They have created left-handed{?} amino-acids back in 60's. See Miller experiments. LINK
..." However, there was a slight complication to Miller's results. Miller's brew of amino acids was a racemic mixture : approximately 50% of amino acids were in the laevorotatory form (left-handed orientation), and 50% were in the dextrorotatory form
(right-handed orientation) [2]. It is a well-known fact that virtually
all of observable life is composed of 100% L-amino acids "...
...
Ive been following information regarding black holes for many years ---ex Hawking evaporation-- , ergo, my speculations about what is contained within them, that, is also being expressed on their seemingly, 2D event horizon
So much of what we dont know about black holes leaves room for lots of cosmic speculation. As I and others clearly do.
Via your given URL:
1}..." While the nugget would be extremely exotic, it would at least retain all
the information that fell into the original black hole, thereby solving
the paradox."
2} ..." These "naked singularities" appear to be forbidden in normal general
relativity, but if they exist, they would be direct windows into the
realm of quantum gravity. " ergo,
...2a}... Read or re-read my post #117 ...' is encoded in some black holes { or sum total collection of all black holes } ....(((>o<)))......i.e. occupied space '..and,
...2b}...' Gravitational (><)(><) Dark Energy fields, that, are beyond energy/physical reality ergo, I label as meta-physical that can also be labeled as Spirit-3 ( ) >< Spirit-4 )(.'...
So OGP, no where in the URL you posted does it say black holes die. Hawking evaporation at event horizon is old news, is if that is what your trying to point out. You do not quote any statement from the URL, that, you provided...." But Hawking radiation itself doesn't carry any information with it, and
yet the black hole eventually disappears. So where did all the
information go?
3} Naught is created nor destroyed only transformed from Spirit-3 Gravity and Spirit-4 Dark Energy into Spirit-2 { fermions and bosons }, etc eternally. You dont seem to grasp this simple cosmic scenario, that, is transferred from 1st law of thermodynamics, by me.
OGP, thanks for the URL, and please come back when you have any info that actually would dispute with logic, common sense critical thinking my scenarios, as presented.
Field of Gravity ( ) and )( Dark Energy field, ergo, (><)(><) we have torus without the spirit-2 { /\/\/ } physical reality inside quantum space-time torus tube, if only for the briefest moment, or with only half { \ } of the beginnings of the first quantum reality sine-wave \/\/\ and what I call observed time or quantification of time/motion/spin/precession { gyroscopic }/inside-outing ergo, fundamental motions associated with our observed/quantised, energy based physical reality { spirit-2 }.
Again, for clarity sake, I speculate that biologic life fundamentals are eternally encoded in the Gravitational and Dark Energy fields, from which our physical reality { spirit-2 /\/\/ } is a resultant of those two. (> /\/\/ <)(> /\/\/ <)
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@zedvictor4
Running parallel with the process of universal decline and innate material decay,
Aka entropy....< out >....dissipating, dis-integrating, Universe coming apart as one very large and very flat { long frequency } photon.
is the process of material evolution.
Aka syntropy, ....> in <....i.e. opposite of entropy. See black holes (((>o<))) below
Whereby the processes of material function are harnessed and developed.
Aka Spirit-1 Meta-space, { mind/intellect/concepts } and ego { i-dentity }
Naught { energy aka physical reality /\/\/ or Spirit-2 } is neither created nor destroyed, only transformed { fermions < > < >bosons }. Grasp the 1st law of thermodynamics.
1} Then transfer the above statement as follows...Occupied space Universe { @ } is neither created, nor destroyed, only transformed.
2} Biologic life { * } is composed of left-handed amino-acids, that, have been surmised --from direct evidence-- to exist in some metorites, ergo, outer space aka extraterrestrial origins.
3} There is some direct evidence in lab experiments of reproducing forces of metorite-like impacts on sandy soils that create peptides. LINK
....3a} this above, provided the building blocks as a resultant of termendous inward { >in< } pressures that facillited biologic life origins o nEarth.
...4} Roger Penros'se nobel winning, single page paper { 1965 } proved that Einsteins GRelativety leads to null geodesics i.e. photon trajectories ending nowhere ergo destroyed aka singularities. S Hawking and Penrose went on to theorize, that, our finite Universe is spawned from a black hole.
5} Whereas Fuller had no specifics for his generalised cosmic egg, I believe that all that exists, or can exist, is encoded in some black holes { or sum total collection of all black holes } ....(((>o<)))......i.e. occupied space as:
Gravitational (><)(><) Dark Energy fields, that, are beyond energy/physical reality ergo, I label as meta-physical that can also be labeled as Spirit-3 ( ) >< Spirit-4 )(.
Naught is created nor destroyed only transformed from Spirit-3 and Spirit-4 into Spirit-2, etc eternally.
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