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@TheDredPriateRoberts
"Inconsistenencs" no, gaps in memory yes. Lets see how any sexually assualted persons memory is doing 40 years later...."No need to rehash the gross inconsistencies and stuff she said."...
It is well documented by those in the field what is remmebered. The assault by the victim and that assault might tend to ove-rrirde other memories.
Lying to congress, as Kavenaugh did, is minimal for not being on supreme court.
Now I hear Mark Judges ex is confirming one of the other victim's claims.
Kavenaugh needed a calender because of how much beer he drank he was lucky to remmber his name after a night of binge drinking.
Recording a sexual assault on calendar might no be smart idea, even if he recorded the gathering, --where the incident took place--- before or afterword.
FBI investigation directed by idio-ump and Trumpanzees is a sham.
Hopefully Collins, Flake and other Trumpanzees will have moral integrity and spinal courage speak truth. Not likely.
A tie? Ok then we have that religous _____________ Pence putting in his .000001 cents worth. Sick attack on Roe vs Wade and assault on truth and women is what we have being done by Trumpanzees . Sad :--(
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@3RU7AL
There's really no reason to try and re-invent the wheel so to speak.
The year is 2018 Bru7, not 1718. It would appear your stuck in 1700's and still pondering a special-case wheel { 3500 B.C }
My Rational Cosmic Trinty and its trinity subsets are related to the wheel in so far as is wholistic, primary set/list.
trinity { triangle } = 3 ergo the minimal aspects needed to enclose a 2D area.
infinity = conceptual set of aspects associated with the perfect 2D circle ergo the wheel { O }
Perfect Triangle { 2D } = 3 angles, 3 lines/chords, 3 points/yippions and sides anterior { front } and posterior { rear/back }
...see Maszdas first rotoary Wankel engine used triangle cam...........
Perfect circle { wheel } = infinite lines/angles and infinite angle
The problem atheist, theist etc, is following rational, logical common sense pathways of thought.
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Free = degrees of freedom
Will = spirit-of-intent ergo metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept
Soul = biologic ergo synonyms biologic/soul. Simple minimal brainer conclusion.
70 - 90% water. Water { liquid } based on 8 electrons and tetra{4}hedral configurations.
13 - 17 billion years ago eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe was a liquid?
Quark-gluon Plasma as perfect liquid
..."Super spin
The results reveal that RHIC collisions create the most vortical fluid ever, a QGP spinning faster than a speeding tornado, more powerful than the fastest spinning fluid on record. "So the most ideal fluid with the smallest viscosity also has the most vorticity," Lisa said."...
...."Particle collisions recreating the quark-gluon plasma (QGP) that filled the early universe reveal that droplets of this primordial soup swirl far faster than any other fluid. The new analysis shows that the 'vorticity' of the QGP surpasses the whirling fluid dynamics of super-cell tornado cores and Jupiter's Great Red Spot, and even beats out the fastest spin record held by nanodroplets of superfluid helium."....
Gluon { nine types } = strong sub-nuclear attractive force ---see also 6 great circles of 5-fold icosa{20}hedron
Quarks { 36 } = 18 quarks and 18 anti-quarks --see also 6 great circles/tori of 4-fold cubo-octahedron
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@3RU7AL
Soul = biologic ergo synonyms biologic/soul. Simple minimal brainer conclusion.Presumably because it has no soul, which would actually be quite difficult to prove.
70 - 90% water. Water { liquid } based on 8 electrons and tetra{4}hedral configurations.
13 - 17 billion years ago eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe was a liquid?
Quark-gluon Plasma as perfect liquid
..."Super spin
The results reveal that RHIC collisions create the most vortical fluid ever, a QGP spinning faster than a speeding tornado, more powerful than the fastest spinning fluid on record. "So the most ideal fluid with the smallest viscosity also has the most vorticity," Lisa said."......."Particle collisions recreating the quark-gluon plasma (QGP) that filled the early universe reveal that droplets of this primordial soup swirl far faster than any other fluid. The new analysis shows that the 'vorticity' of the QGP surpasses the whirling fluid dynamics of super-cell tornado cores and Jupiter's Great Red Spot, and even beats out the fastest spin record held by nanodroplets of superfluid helium."....
Gluon { nine types } = strong sub-nuclear attractive force
Quarks { 36 } = 18 quarks and 18 anti-quarks
Free = degrees of freedom
Will = spirit-of-intent ergo metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept
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@drafterman
Oh. You're talking gibberish again.
You ask my definition and I gave them. Go figure.
Typical of those who apply ego based, irrational, illogical and lack of common sense, mental blockages in pathways of rational, logical common sense when the going gets tough. Go figure.
When you Dman, are asked the same, the ego based, irrational, illogical and lack of common sense, mental blockages are again placed on pathways to rational, logical, common sense. Go figure.
Ego is the greatest danger to humanities longer term survival on Earth.
Go figure. Human ego. What is its purpose?
Defense? Offense? Divergent? Distractive? Denial? Darkness? D-man? D-not-a-man?
Silence? Nada? Zip? Nothing? Void? Vacuum? Empty-ness? Zero?
i = ego = metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept
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This goes back to initial questions message #128 regarding;I'm going to have to ask you to clarify what you mean by complexity in this context.
1} simple-to-complex evolution,
2] complex-to-simple evolution, and,
3} lateral evolution, to which you gave examples of each.
So you obviously had something in mind, and gave examples ergo I would like to hear you clarify your definitions in regards to your given examples in msessage #129
Ive given mind in one of more other threads here at DArt.
1} numerical complexity ex 3 is more complex than 2 i.e. 2 has one line-of-relationship and 3 had three lines-of-relationship. At 4, we quantum leap over four and five to six lines-of-relationship.
...see 227.01 at this URL
2} synergetic complexity ex humans degree of access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts where animals have so much less
here is the only geometric example of synergy that I'm aware of and have posted it in other threads here at DArt and DDO
There are movies titled 'Its Complicated' and we've heard that phrase since the 90's in movies and elsewhere.
The scenario of 'many factors involved' may have both numerical and synergetic complexity.
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@drafterman
Maggot fly speciating into a new version that matures in fewer days.
I'm not sure that is correct as being evidence of complex-to-simple evolution and I certainly do not see anyone other than you claiming that for that species of fly. Complex-to-simple is not stated in that article you supplied.
Drafman do believe that animals that have shorter lives, shorter gestation periods and shorter times of maturity are inherent less complex?
The variant had twice as many chromosomes; more complex than the parent
Ok numerically more complex example of observed simple-to-complex evolution.
Speciation into two breeds of plans with same number of chromosomes.
So a new breed is same as a new species? Ok, so numerically the same so just lateral evolution.
Hybridization, gene shifting, change in allelle frequencies, ring species, emergence of subspecies.
I would think sub-species evolution is same as new species. Either way that catagories of special-case of evolution that your aware of;
Hybridization,
gene shifting,
change in allelle frequencies,
ring species,
emergence of subspecies.
How do these relate, if at all, to the following article;
..."He’s learned that naturalist Charles Darwin was wrong about some things. For one, evolution doesn’t always occur in steps so slow and steady that changes can’t be observed.
Lenski also learned that a laboratory freezer can function as a time machine.
....A professor at Michigan State University, Lenski has watched E. coli bacteria multiply through 59,000 generations, a span that has allowed him to observe evolution in real time.
More strikingly, however, he found that one of the 12 bacterial lines he has maintained has developed into what he believes is a new species, able to use a compound in the solution called citrate — a derivative of citric acid, like that found in some fruit — for food."...
Since his Long-Term Experimental Evolution Project began in 1988, the bacteria have doubled in size, begun to mutate more quickly, and become more efficient at using the glucose in the solution where they’re grown.
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@3RU7AL
If a hypothesis is untestable (unfalsifiable) then it is "metaphysics" (qualia).
Four primary kinds of meta{ beyond }physical;
1} spirit-1 { spirit-of-intent } metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts ex concept of concepts, space, God/Universe, Toyotas, Time, ego etc
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2} eternally existent, metaphysical-2, macro-infinite, non-occupied space, that embraces/surrounds our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe/God,
3} eternally existent, spirit-3, metaphysical-3, occupied Space gravity ( ) ---positive shaped geodesic ( ) associated with torus { speculative },
4} eternally existent, spirit-4, metaphysical-4, occupied Space dark energy )( ---negative shaped geodesic )( associated with torus { speculative }.
i = ego aka I-verse narrative will tell ourselves and others about ourselves and the enviroment that emrbaces/surrounds us.
* * = bilateral consciousness
>< = inversion-outversion from peaks of positive and negative curvature of special-case torus reult in sine-wave patterned frequencies /\/\/ or as ^v^v
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The problem with theist, atheist etc, is following rational, logical common sense pathways of thought, as based on human direct or indirect observations of what exists.
Humans indirectly observe photons via increase, or decrease of electrons quantum energy values.
Humans indirectly observe gravity via changes in arrival times of a photon ----in LIGO experiements---- ergo epxansion-contraction of gravitational space-time.
Humans indirectly presume a dark matter via observations of larger scales of spin related to mass.
Humans indirectly presume virtual particles via observations of real particles.
Humans indirectly presume dark energy via accelerating expansion of occupied space between some galaxies, clusters of galaxies etc.
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Eternally existent, macro-infinite non-occupied space exists outside of our finite, occupied space Universe.
If God existed outside of our finite, occupied space Universe, and created our finite, occupied space Universe, then there would have to be a line{s}-of-relationship between the external God and our finite, occupied space Universe that existed then and now.
There exists no infinite source. Such a belief follows no shred of any rational, logical common sense.
We live in an eternally existent, finite occupied space Universe. No shred of rational, logical common sense to direct us elsewhere.
Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts exists, complementary to our finite, occupied space and macro-infinite non-occupied space.
If biologic life is eternally existent --see Cosmic Ancestry https://www.panspermia.org/
Then we have to ask, what is the rational, logical common sense scenario for that conclusion.
The coding for RNA-DNA, --if not specifically for most complex humans--, is eternally produced somewhere within our eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe.
VIa Jacob Bekenstiens black hole mathematics, that led to holographic scenarios, and Leonard Susskinds holograhic ideas, as associated with string theory, we are left to consider that;
1} blacks holes are 3D, ---see info-bits contained on area of four{ 4 } bisecting planes of spherical cubo{ 6 }-octa{ 8 }hedron---
2} info-bits inside black holes is expressed on 2D outer surface { event horizon }, -- a spherical surface---,
3} those info-bits transposed to environment outside black hole event horizion.
We know one possibilty is related to Hawkings radiation, wherein virtual particles created at even horizon split in two one goes in the other goes out.
If the one particle goes out carries info-bits { via entanglement } from event horizon, then that is one possible avenue of trans-positioning of event horizon to outside environment.
..."But that energy isn’t free! Where did it come from? It must be subtracted from the mass of the black hole, something that can happen thanks to the infalling virtual particles from the original “in” part of the “out-in” pair and the “in-out” pair, respectively. So in the end, we have escaping radiation and a lower mass for the black hole!"....
Why is the spherical cubo-octahedron a rational, logically common sense conclusion to be associated with RNA-DNA coding?
Because of 7, or more, spatially exotic, transformable { operating system } configurations the Euclidean cubo-octahedron and because of its 8 surface triangles.
Some of the configurations are specific to quadra-pedic fish { perpendicular } and cetacceans { parrallel }
Biologic life is 70 - 85% water and water is based on 8 electrons and most common in a tetrahedral arrangement.
None of this to say abiogneisis does not occur, we just have no laboratory proof of such.
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@drafterman
Must---2} so is any of this speciation simple-to-complex evolution, complex-to-simple evolution, or just lateral evolution being niether more or less complex?
Draftman---There are examples of all of those.
Can please specify and evidence or at least a rationale of which are
1} complex-to-simple evolution _________________
2} simple-to-complex evolution ______________________,
3} lateral neither 1 or 2 above evolution _________________________
Drfm---Evolution is manifest through speciation events.
It appears your saying that speciation events ---i.e. a new species appears from another--- is a special-case of evolution.
Are the other special-case events of evolution? What are they?
I suppose a new biologic kingdom via evolution is one you propose. Is there any direct observations of a new biologic kingdom?
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@Castin
In lab experiments when men and women asked a series of questions, womens brains tended to be more active in both hemi-spheres.
So the list of facts that woman is more complex than man is 4 or 5 now.
1} Xx vs Xy, numerical complexity,
2} womb/uterus vs prostate gland? numerical,
3} fetus/baby nutured and grown vs ?,
4} more active left and right hemi-spheres.
Woman is most complex entity of Universe, barring ideas of two more woman, men, Earth full of biologicals, solar system, galaxey etc.
Seems there is another one I'm overlooking.
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.."To go around and around and meet ---self-aware--- or approximate meetings of self or patterns of existence that are common or similar. The more of this approximation that occurs the more self-awareness occurs."....
..."6.Spiral Waves in Mammalian Cortex
....Spiral waves are self-sustained, regenerative activity.
....30 Spirals rotate around a center point known as a rotor. A spiral rotor can emerge from free-ends of a traveling wavefront. The rotor, after being created, becomes a powerful organizer of energy (as seen in hurricane systems) by sending robust rotating waves outward (as seen in cardio arrhythmia).
31,32 Similarly, in the brain, spiral waves may provide an essential mechanism for organizing the irregular activity of cortical neurons into rhythmic activity.8,33 Dominant local excitatory interactions are essential for sustaining spiral waves in general.30,31 In systems with extensive local excitatory connections, spiral waves are often seen, such as in the cardiac muscle during arrhythmia.
34 In rodent brain slices, where local excitatory connections are dominant, spirals can be sustained for a long time.35
Similarly, spirals are also observed in the awake turtle visual cortex during the visual process.36 In the cortex in vivo, long-range and nonlocal connections, such as thalamocortical and corticocortical connections, may disrupt the spiral rotors and make spiral waves unsustainable.35
Therefore, spiral waves in intact cortex may occur during certain brain states when local excitatory interactions are predominant, while they are unsustainable in other brain states when long-range connections are strong......
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@Swagnarok
God we can hope this happens as we all know this about overturning Roe vs Wade if he is is appointed.If two Republicans defect, then Kavanaugh will not be getting his seat.
These Trumpanzees ---male and female--- are morally sick-in-the-head and have no respect for pregant women.
Lock These Sick In The Head People Away! Lock Them Away Today!
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King { forced order } >>><<<< Liberal { chaos rules? } = oxymoron?
God/Universe = most degree of freedom allowed yet still limited.
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@bsh1
Sure thing Bsh1, sorry for my actions. Realized how off topic it was when I did it. My error of judgement and willpower to do the right thing.Please don't clutter the thread with content entirely irrelevant to the subject at hand.
Im for less drama and agree with smitheens post #18. My apologies again.
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.."To go around and around and meet ---self-aware--- or approximate meetings of self or patterns of existence that are common or similar. The more of this approximation that occurs the more self-awareness occurs."....
Ahh, also consider this. I read of studys regarding spontaneous people waves in sports stadiums that apparrently were more popular during the 80's.
The study found that a spontaneous wave only occurred, or most often occurred when 25 or more people were attempting to initiate the wave.
So perhaps there exist a numerical set of nervous system like-minded, entanglement-like occurrences before the so called 'free will' can occur.
Isnt this what humans { * i * } do more than other animals do? We become more self-aware. Yes? The resultant is an ego { i } I-verse I-narrative.
(>*<) i (>*<) = vertical bisection/cross-section of a torus;
positive shape geodesic ( )
Negative shaped geodesic )(
>< = inversion-out version from peaks of postive and negative curvature and results in internal sine-wave pattterned frequency /\/\/ ^v^v
* * = bilateral creatures with a degree of consciousness
i = most complex human consciousness resultant of ego / i ergo I-verse narrative
See slinky toy as follows
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@Smithereens
How did an Obamian { no drama } make it onto this forum? Just kidding ;--)...if you want less drama instead of more.....
idio-ump drama queen who today admitted his "only good trait" was that he never ever drank beer.
He spoke the truth { maybe partially } in the white house announcement to press/media.
If he has drank a beer or other alcoholic beverage in his life, then it was a partial lie even when he has a freudian slip and speaks partial truth.
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Is free will an illusion? A 2D film tube that goes/flows around---as a dynamic torus-- to meet itself? To become self-aware? To be conscious of self?
To go around and around and meet ---self-aware--- or approximate meetings of self or patterns of existence that are common or similar. The more of this approximation that occurs the more self-awareness occurs.
Isnt this what humans { * i * } do more than other animals do? We become more self-aware. Yes? The resultant is an ego { i } I-verse I-narrative.
(>*<) i (>*<) = vertical bisection/cross-section of a torus;
positive shape geodesic ( )
Negative shaped geodesic )(
>< = inversion-out version from peaks of postive and negative curvature and results in internal sine-wave pattterned frequency /\/\/ ^v^v
* * = bilateral creatures with a degree of consciousness
i = most complex human consciousness resultant of ego / i ergo I-verse narrative
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1 + 1 = 2 or as O + o = set of two objects of disimilar size. Obvious truth and relativity is involved.
Both involve common sense.
1 2D triangle + 1 2D triangle = 4, 2D triangles the same size as the original two via geometric synergy and resultant 3D tetra{4}hedron.
Arguing against truth makes humans look foolish at best and at worst _____________?
Of course red and the tetrahedron was discovered and at best humans invented words/lablels to communicate that special-case color to self and others.
People walk around and see red, blue pink yellow and then assign a conceptual label to identify, catagorize and put into orderly numeriocal sets.
Frequency of visible light red exists and humans discover that ftequencey, they do not invent that frequency.
Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts ;
1{ harvest information objectively, discovers paterns and princi
2} sorts the incoming chaos into orderly numerical catagories,
3} discovers patterns and principles,
4} applys those patterns and principles in techological ways in support of humans existence on Earth the integrity of Universe. Thank you B. Fuller
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Addendum revisions;
0} " U "niverse / " G " od = The Cosmic Outline/List/Hierarchy is most wholistic set;
1} spirit-1 { spirit-of-intent } metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts ex concepts of God, Universe, Space, Time, Concepts, Toyotas,
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2} eternally existent, metaphysical-2, macro-infinite non-occupied space, that embraces/surrounds the following,
3} spirit-2, eternally existent, finite, occupied SPACE Universe/God aka Uni-V-erse.
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Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts is 1st trinity subset;
....1a} absolute truth,
...1b} relative truth i.e. true and not true simultaneously,
.....1c} absolute non-truth.
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Occupied space is 2nd subset trinity
...2a}occupied SPACE as physical/energy aka reality or Observed Time is 2b} fermions,2c} bosons and any aggregate thereof ex atoms, molecules, planets etc and associated with sine-wave patterned frequencies /\/\/ or as ^v^v
.......2d} since there may exist be a third item { catagory } in addition to fermions, bosons ergo 2a may be its own trinity subset....,
....3a} occupied SPACE gravity ( ), ultra-micro ergo metaphysical-3, positive shaped ( ) geodesic Space,
....4a} occupied SPACE dark energy )(, ultra-micro ergo metaphyscial-4, negative shaped )( geodesic Space.
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SPACE(>*<) i (>*<)SPACE is the short texticonic expression of all of the above, as the minimal, primary, fundamental set of Universe/God.
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Which leads to the whether any seeming and superficial 'free will' is a pushing-OUTward, or pulling-INward phenomena if it were to exist?
Fuller shows pathways of thought to be a process of seperating out / winnowing out what is the relevant information, from the irrelevant background noise.
So we have incoming flow, that circles around in nervous system, and,
1} free will pushes-away or, pulls-away{ outward } the irrelevant info or,
2} pulls-INward the relevant info from all if the irrelevant info.
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Only humans come to consider relative motions via their magical access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Humans conceptual abilities create a new twoness set of conceptually placing self outside of self looking back in order to attempt to steer those desires, design those balloons, missiles and genetic alterations.
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Fuller laid out clearly what minimal consciousness requires;
1} observer ...........O...............
2} observed ..........O...............
3} line-of-relationship between the two O-----------O or as (O)( )( )( )( )( )(O) i.e. geodesic line-of-relationship
4} background within which the above three exist.
Minimal consciousness is awareness ergo otherness ergo twoness.
Maximal consciousness is awareness of metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Consciousness seeks to find order. To make sense. To put the ducks in a orderly pattern rows and count them as numerical sets.
All of these process are integrative. To cohere, as does gravity ( ). To make a whole set as integrative oneness.
All of these lead to creatures with concepts of Universe, and Universe as God, or a God outside of Universe, that looks back in upon the finite Universe, as if this God is holding the finite Universe, in its conceptual hands.
Contractive and integrative Gravity ( ) coheres all as one unified set we call Universe.
Gravity leads to { causes } and expansive and disintegrative resultant we observe and identify as Dark Energy )(, that attempts to separate/dissipate all.
All if not most, pushing-OUTward forces/phenomena are resultant of gravitational, pulling-INward phenomena.
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@3RU7AL
None of these take into account the context of my givens, as stated ergo this is running off on divergent pathways to the crux of my issues regarding your ego blocking rational, logical common sense pathways of thouhgts and you actually appear to be losing it mentally and emotionally.
I.e. your ego still installing mental road blocks to pathways of rational, logical common sense.
If you are unable to detect sound, it is illogical to conclude that there is no sound.
If we cannot detect sound/radiiation then there is no sound/radiation for us ergo we hear/see silence { no vibration } and this is analogy to my cosmic Universe scenario that your ego is still intalling road blocks avoid the only rational, logical common sense conclusion.
Sound/radiation is vibration of many various frequencies and I transposed as our finite, occupied space Universe --that you concede to be existent-- ergo only rational logical conclusion is that what exists outside of finite, occupied space Universe, is macro-infinite non-occupied space.
I will repeat as you have become mentally distraught, if no finite, occupied space Universe exists then what is left is what is outside of that Universe, macro-infinite non-occupied space. Duhh!
Epistemological standards of evidence are pretty good about telling us what exists, but is extremely bad at telling us what doesn't exist.
Take away what we know or believe to exist ---the finite occupied space Universe--- then what remains can only be macro-infinite non-occupied space. Simple not all the mental hand-waving divergent mental road blocks you want to install on rational, logicacl common sense pathways of thought.
It superficially appears there is a 3rd or 4th catagory of space, that has invaded your ability to follow rational, logical common sense pathways of thought.
We will call this third catagory of subconscious { ego / i-verse } i.e. it may be non-intentional spirit-of-non-intent ergo metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Please try and put aside your subconscious{ ego / iverse } space and use visuals. You dont even really even have to be able to read any words in the follow Bru7. Just consider this finite set below (>*<)(>*<} and then consider it when it is not there. Also keep in mind. that the dots......are there for formatting purposes only. Just consider the dots...are not there.
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Occupied SPACE { (>*<)(>*<) } and non-occupied SPACE { ...... } exist. Take away one and the other is what remains. This is childs play Bru7.
Metaphysical-1, concept of space { i-space } does not exist without occupied space experience of metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept acessing creatures. Experience precedes thought. I think about something { occupied space } via a occupied space nervous system.
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@drafterman
Maybe its a subjective state of mind i.e. instead of objectively harvesting information, information is being subjectively applied ex designing and app { application } program for computer.What's a "subjective state"?
R. B. Fullers thoughts on purpose of humans, that makes them differrent from other animals;
1} objectively harvests information,
2} sorts and winnows out information,
3} discover out patterns and principles,
4} subjectively applys patterns and principles to human technological designs in support of humans and integrity of Universe.
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Only humans come to consider relative motions via their magical access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Humans conceptual abilities create a new twoness set of conceptually placing self outside of self looking back in order to attempt to steer those desires, design those balloons, missiles and genetic alterations.
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Fuller laid out clearly what minimal consciousness requires;
1} observer ...........O...............
2} observed ..........O...............
3} line-of-relationship between the two O-----------O or as (O)( )( )( )( )( )(O) i.e. geodesic line-of-relationship
4} background within which the above three exist.
Minimal consciousness is awareness ergo otherness ergo twoness.
Maximal consciousness is awareness of metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Consciousness seeks to find order. To make sense. To put the ducks in a orderly pattern rows and count them as numerical sets.
All of these process are integrative. To cohere, as does gravity ( ). To make a whole set as integrative oneness.
All of these lead to creatures with concepts of Universe, and Universe as God, or a God outside of Universe, that looks back in upon the finite Universe, as if this God is holding the finite Universe, in its conceptual hands.
Contractive and integrative Gravity ( ) coheres all as one unified set we call Universe.
Gravity leads to { causes } and expansive and disintegrative resultant we observe and identify as Dark Energy )(, that attempts to separate/dissipate all.
All if not most, pushing-OUTward forces/phenomena are resultant of gravitational, pulling-INward phenomena.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
If you lose a finger for getting caught stealing
That was common practice in some middle-eastern cultures of ancient times and still today. Adulteress women are stoned in some Indian and or Arabic cultures? Sick :--(
What's The punishment for being found guilty of rape
IN some of those mentioned above it may be less for men than women. Special-case cultures may vary. Sick :--(
It might be common sense to steal as much as you can until you are get cauggt and lose a finger .Stealing something means you get it for free.
Desperate ---ex hungry poor peopl--- people do desperate things and that is why they are called desperadoes latin american cultures
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@drafterman
Thank Draftman, I was not aware of the word speciation or any of the examples you provided.I disagree that only directly observed evidence in a laboratory is of note here. But if you want examples of observed speciation, we have plenty. Check out all these suckers as well as all of these.
1} why the word speciation is focused on, in your givens, and not the word evolution?
2} so is any of this speciation simple-to-complex evolution, complex-to-simple evolution, or just lateral evolution being niether more or less complex?
3} ? the questions I'm not thinkin of that are relevant.
Glad I found your post as this is interesting stuff to consider in regards to directly observed evolution in or out of the lab. Thanks again for those examples and links.
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@ethang5
The narcissistic { idio-ump / kim oung poo / putin } BS swamp of lies, mafia-like bullies, thugs, corruption and bad attitudes towards women, race and immigrants has only grown 10 fold with the idio-ump and his Trumpanzees.
Trumpanzee motto is --- ..'Lets go out grab some stranger female p___y today. Lets get rid of Roe vs Wade and send women to the back alleys and back seats for their abortions'....
Kavenaugh, like idio-ump is female predator who should be locked away!
Lock Trumpanzees Away Today! Lock Them All Away!
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@Greyparrot
Ford passed polygraph test, welcomes FBI investigation, composure and calm even in reliving childhood trauma from Kavengaugh.
Kavenaugh, not taken polygraph test, did encourage FBI investigate, belligerent { aggressive } presentation at the hearing, other males he knew him says he was beligerent and aggressive when he drank.
That Mark Judge supports him is not surprise as he was part of the crime against Ford.
That Trumpanzee males support Kavenaugh in light of all the above and more, speaks to males of any color who are insensitive to Ford and all women who have valid claims.
Now idio-ump places restrictions on FBI investigation as he repeated lies that he has not.
Lock Trumpanzees Away Today!
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@secularmerlin
Physical/energy cannot be created nor destroyed ergo eternally existent. Minimal brainer.
And the above transposes or translate as occupied space cannot be created nor destroyed.
Finite = integral wholeness
Infinite = lack of integrity
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@Reece
Oh gee I dont know. It was months or year or more ago. I'm on cheapo package so it may have when I got free science or discover or something like that for a few days. MIght have been PBS which I always get.
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@3RU7AL
If you are unable to detect sound, it is illogical to conclude that there is no sound.
Take away the noise and you hear nothing aka slience.
If 'we' hear no sound then there is no sound for 'we' the specific set of observers Yes, there may exist sound for other if they exist.
If you are unable to detect radiation, it is illogical to conclude that there is no radiation.
Take away the visible radiation and you see nothing aka lack of light
If 'we' normally have no trouble seeing visible light, and we place ourself in room with no visible light then there no visible light exists for 'we' the specific local observer only Yes there may exist visible light for other ---if they exist--- in another room or outside of the 'we' room where in.
If you are unable to detect finite-occupied-space-universe, it is illogical to conclude that there is no finite-occupied-space-universe.
Take away the finite, occupied space Universe --ergo all possible observers--- and what remains is macro-infinite, non-occupied space.
You ego stil playing mind games here above Bru. You concede we live in a finite, occupied space Universe and when I ask you to process this simple conceptual scenario, you cannot transpose the your use of the local special-case "you" or 'we' to cosmic scale of finite, occupied space as "you" or 'we'.
So this is just ego interjecting itself to create mental blockages of my statement.
Finite occupied space Universe = all "you"s in this conceptual scenario and you play mind games to avoid answering the questions.
Are you still a immature 14 year old Bru7.
Take away the ego, and the truth remains unfettered remains true despite your ego based and immature mind games.
How would you know if perhaps, maybe, we were in something like... I don't know......inDEfinite.....I do love a chance to engage in a serious discussion concerning the metaphysics of cosmic ontology.
Ego placing immature 14 year old mental blockages in pathway of rational, logical common sense.
InDEfinite = not defined.
Whats outside finite, occupied space Universe is defined my and you immaturity dismisses both the finite, occupied space, --- momentarily-- so your ego can post irrelevant "inDEfinite" when what you call inDEfinite is clealy defined by myself and any who do not allow the ego to subject itself into an otherwise rational, logical common sense pathway.
You like the two year old laying on the flooring shaking and repeating no, no, no.
Take away the ego, and the truth remains unfettered remains true, despite your ego based and immature mind games to disguise truth as undefined/inDEfinite.
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@keithprosser
Gravity is both inside/internal and external to the human. Desired stems from genetics.
Pilots, balloons, missiles etc, have internal and external factors involved where travel, at what speeds, direction, of if they travel at all, outside of their already existent motion ---minimal twoness--- relative to sun, moon and all other celestial phenomena.
Only humans come to consider relative motions via their magical access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Humans conceptual abilities create a new twoness set of being outside of self looking back in order to attempt to steer those desires, design those balloons, missiles and genetic alterations.
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Fuller laid out clearly what minimal consciousness requires;
1} observer ...........O...............
2} observed ..........O...............
3} line-of-relationship between the two O-----------O or as (O)( )( )( )( )( )(O)
4} background within which the above three exist.
Minimal consciousness is awareness ergo otherness ergo twoness.
Maximal consciousness is awareness of metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Consciousness seeks to find order. To make sense. To put the ducks in a orderly pattern rows and count them as numerical sets.
All of these process are integrative. To cohere, as does gravity ( ). To make a whole set as integrative oneness.
All of these lead to creatures with concepts of Universe, and Universe as God, or a God outside of Universe, that looks back in upon the finite Universe, as if this God is holding the finite Universe, in its conceptual hands.
Contractive and integrative Gravity ( ) coheres all as one unified set we call Universe.
Gravity leads to { causes } and expansive and disintegrative resultant we observe and identify as Dark Energy )(, that attempts to separate/dissipate all.
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@Mhykiel
Of course red was discovered and agaomg at best humans invented word to communicate that red to self and others.Was the word "red" invented or discovered?
People walk around and see red, blue pink yellow and then assign a conceptual label to identify, catagorize and put into orderly numercal sets.
Frequency of visible light red exists and humans discover that ftequencey, they do not invent that frequency.
Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts ;
1{ harvest information objectively, discovers paterns and princi
2} sorts the incoming chaos into orderly numerical catagories,
3} discovers patterns and principles,
4} applys those patterns and principles in techological ways in support of humans existence on Earth the integrity of Universe. Thank you B. Fuller
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@Reece
Yeah reece, I saw that program also. The kind revert back to their fetus-like, stem cell origins and start all over again. Showed asian { chiniese } man doing the studies and how he came to udnerstand the process.
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@drafterman
The only direct evidence, ie. observed in laboratory-- of simple-to-comlex or complex-to-simple or lateral evolution is with bacteria. Or at least that is last understood back in the 90's.
Has that changed?
...."But sometime around the 31,500th generation, something dramatic happened in just one of the populations – the bacteria suddenly acquired the ability to metabolise citrate, a second nutrient in their culture medium that E. coli normally cannot use.
Indeed, the inability to use citrate is one of the traits by which bacteriologists distinguish E. coli from other species. The citrate-using mutants increased in population size and diversity."....
Synergy would infer a whole that is greater ---more complex?--- than the sum-of-its-parts.
However, Fuller firmly believed in complex-to-simple evolution occurring.
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@ethang5
Ahh shucks, dont make me blush.The genius reposted to bold!
Thanks for your kind words, even if they were not intentional.
Make USA greater by moving it towards all inclusive, one-world, spaceship Earth nation.
To divide and conquer is what humans have practiced for many years.
Global awareness has also been known for many years now.
Humanity has not passed its final examination as globally integrated { unified } society.
If not all-for-one and one-for-all, --see fat <> middle class-- then humanity will fail its existence on Earth.
We came close to that in 70's and 80's but humanity choose mind forward over butt forward evolution.
Humanity will need to do that many more times in other circumstances to survive another 500 - 1000 years.
Even if humanity unifies, there is not gurrantee of their ability to solve the self-induced ecological problems coming or natural ecological circumstances that will occur sooner or later.
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@Mhykiel
Turtles can breathe air from water not with gills but through their buttholes.The turtle is my totem animal. They stand for long live and perseverance.
Cool, I didnt know that tidbit.
Some, most or all jellyfish use same opening for food source and waste expelling.
Jellies may be older than sponges yet they are more complex, so simple-to-complex evolution turned on its head if that is true.
They may have evolved at same time period, just differrent branches of tree of life.
Black Holes > RNA-DNA coded bits { EMradiation } > RNA-DNA molecules > complex-to-simple evolution dispersion > less complex molecules ex left handed amino-acids found in metorites etc
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@Mhykiel
The middle class is moving to under the poverty line and the richest get richer. I know.
Yeah, I presented clearly it is dumbell geometry ><. Most here cannot grasp what a dumbell pattern is much less that is what is happeing in US if not globally.
Is there a solution to the dichotomy? I think so. I think it is in a fundamental shift in mentality and the adequate removal of greed and social-economic desires for cheap labor and cheaply made easy disposable products.
I think the solution is beyond monetary and begins from heart and mind place of survival of human race, not person or nations power, greed, etc
What have you done to bring such a world about?
Became vegetarian ergo less methane production, however, I have since gone on three cruise ship vacations so that may invalidate my years of avoiding beef eating and methane production. There is plenty more Ive done but for privacy reasons I would not share in most public forums.
Is standing on a street corner shouting messages of doom aided the pendulum of change to swing to towards paradise?
Ive done much more than you will ever know, for most of my adult life, to change society for a better society and ecology that sustains all humans.
Standing wherever and speaking our minds, irrespective of content is about freedom, liberty and justice for all. I wouldnt have it any other way.
>< spells doom and gloom for humanity
<> fat middle class is best option for humanities future is not doom and gloom
Ive been fair and balanced. Others here not so much
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@Buddamoose
Plus it often falls prey to the, "road to hell is paved with good intentions"
Would not like to live in a world where most of humanity only has 'bad intentions', would you?
What were the intentions of humans that came to land of the free and chased away, or killed so many native indian's, and proceeded to place the surviving native indians on reservations in some of poorest agriculture land.
The first Spanish colonies, in the land of the free, occurred 125 years before the British and they had indian and black slaves, but believed those peoples have souls ergo allowed those slaves to buy their freedom and the Spanish priests performed marriages for all peoples of any color.
The initial British arriving in the land of the free, were quite the opposite i.e. a much more inhumane set of people.
In the words of Senator McCains daughter, America is already great, and does not need to be made 'great again'.
Thank you Megan McCain, that will be all idio-ump{ humpty-dumpties }
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Im old enough to do know better but not smart enough to do better.
Aesop fables from Rocky{ the squirrel } and Bullwinkle { the moose } cartoon show.
Woman Xx ---two ovaries --bilateral
Man Xy ----two testes---bilateral
Tetra(4)hedron 4 faces/openings
Cubo{6}-octa{8}hedron defined by four great hexagonal planes
DNA four bases
RNA four bases
Animals fore arms rear legs primary set of four motion appendages
Human animal arms and legs ergo primary set of four motion appendages
EMRadiation has four primary peaks and troughts via electric /\/ sine-wave and magnetic \/\ sine-wave
Four chambers of heart
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@Stronn
Fuller laid out clearly what minimal consciousness requires;
1} observer ...........O...............
2} observed ..........O...............
3} line-of-relationship between the two O-----------O or as (O)( )( )( )( )( )(O)
4} background within which the above three exist.
Minimal consciousness is awareness ergo otherness ergo twoness.
Maximal consciousness is awareness of metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Consciousness seeks to find order. To make sense. To put the ducks in a orderly pattern rows and count them as numerical sets.
All of these process are integrative. To cohere, as does gravity ( ). To make a whole set as integrative oneness.
All of these lead to creatures with concepts of Universe, and Universe as God, or a God outside of Universe, that looks back in upon the finite Universe, as if this God is holding the finite Universe, in its conceptual hands.
Contractive and integrative Gravity ( ) coheres all as one unified set we call Universe.
Gravity leads to { causes } and expansive and disintegrative resultant we observe and identify as Dark Energy )(, that attempts to separate/dissipate all.
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@3RU7AL
I'm not going to tell you what I can't possibly know.
Ego spaking again. tell us what you believe may exist outside of a finite, occupied space Universe?
YOu ego will not allow you to follow a rational, logical common sense pathway to a speculative conclusion.
Besides the fact that it does not and cannot possibly matter in any practical or verifiable sense to us as humans.
Many things we talk about in these forms dont matter in any practical or veriiable sense. Does not stop any from speculation or rational, logical common sense pathways of thought. I bet even you follow logical pathways of thought that have no practical value.
You are describing noumenon.
Take away the noise and you hear nothing aka slience.
Take away the visible radiation and you see nothing aka lack of light.
Take away the finite, occupied space Universe and what remains is macro-infinite, non-occupied space.
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Ignoramus is best answer in this thread. Such a cute little ignoramus.Lets have more of them?
Of course, if it is the adult who is still being an ignoramus, that, we want to place them in a hospital, or at least remind them of the ignor-anus who got infected from lack of proper hygiene.
Clean the body/soul and the mind will follow. Or was it the other way around.
353,000 ignoramus's born everyday. Should we be concerned? Only if they contiune to ignore and refute global warming and host of other problems confronting society. Ex too many ignoramus joining society as correlated to operating systems that sustain us may lead to our demise.
Oh heck, whats another billionn or two humans gone hurt. It is so much fun making those cute little ignoramus'es.
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You heard what happen with the farmers daughter who got engaged to be married to a man with a wooden leg, her father broke it off.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
A painting is worth a thousand words.
A condom is less than one ounce of prevention.
Prevention is better than cure, especially when no cure exists.
OMG this list goes on and on and on.
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Read the following with any comprehension abilities you may have, then take a hike from this thread. thanks
The link that follows addresses some types of crime in the ninth was crime city in US, Richmond CA, where town pays criminals to not commit crimes and it not is working it saves.
So basically this appears to be about a minimal standard of subsistence to save state/nation/etc money.
Of course this is taking place in a 1st world country but duh, it sure makes sense and the data appears to bear this out.
They state that many of the crimminals do not even requrie or request the whole $1000.00 a month.
Reminds of when Nixon was president and he commissioned a study heroin abusers and found that that medical programs to get them off heroin worked most of the time, but Nixons staff convinced him was not the politically smart thing to do so the program was never started. :--( Sad.
This sounds like something stupid idio-ump would also do. Remember when they passed out clean needles to the addicts { 1990's? }.
Remember when condoms were encouraged to youth? Remember how many women have died because of no place to get a safe abortion?
Does any republicans understand what the word 'prevention' actually means?
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@3RU7AL
This is getting out of hand.
Yes because it is an attempt get your away from you ego steering your intellectual integrity.
Just tell me what makes you think you can know what nobody can possibly know?
I dont recally saying I "know", that macro-infinite non-occupied space exists. Now your sounding like Outplayz and your still allowing your ego to diverge away from three key points, that, rational, logical common sense arrives at.
1} eternally existent macro-infinite non-occupied space exists,
2} macro-infinite non-occupied space is eternal,
3} finite occupied space is eternal via 1st law/principle of thermodynamics.
You have not yet ---nor anyone else-- nor anyone else, will ever will suppply any rational, logical common sense that invalidates those conclusion.
Humans can conceive of and infinite God, Universe, occupied space, non-occupied space, Unicorns that give birth to a Toyoata prius every six weeks, however, some of those concepts can be derived from rational, logical common sense pathways of thought and others not.
You can decide to let your ego steer your show, or you can stop the mind game and begin to follow rational, logical common sense, on those three above issues/points.
And don't try to tell me "it's the only logical conclusion".
I do because it is truth along with rationality.
When are you going to tell us what exists outside of your more limited concept --because of not being eternally existent--- of a finite, occupied space Universe?
As best as I can recall, you did state to me at DDO once that nothing exists outside of our finite, occupied space Universe. And I replied that, that is the correct answer. Why you ego will not allow you to say that now, is anybodies guess. Genetics and the resultant access to metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts, act in mystery ways.
Thanks for making your feeble attempt to place your ego to the side, as I think Outplayz appreciates some one taking the heat and giving him a new perspective.
If you have a formal logical statement (syllogism) then show it.
"Formal"? OMG, what is formal supposed to mean. Should I wear a tuxedo when addressing you? Your ego blaring away like a fog horn.
...'Its my ego and I will cry if I want to, cry if I want to, You would cry to if it happen to you....'
See Lesly Gore song 1964 https://www.google.com/search?q=its+my+party+and+I+will+cry+if+I+want+to&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1
(IFF) there are things that we know
1} We observe an eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe. When you can begin by accepting that factual truth the move on to the next rational, logical common sense pathway of thought;
......1`a} a begining of our occupied space Universe is presumed not a known or observed factual truth.....
2} If { IFFFFFF } we live in an eternally existent, finite, occupied space Universe, then there exists only one, rational, logical conclusion as to what exists outside of it { Universe }. The eternally existent, macro-infinite, non-occupied space. This is such a minimal brainer Bru7.
and things that we don't know (AND)
Already addressed your dont know, above in this post.
we have no way of observing or verifying what is currently beyond our ability to observe
Agreed and I never state otherwise. However, that does not invalidate my givens as a rationall logical common sense pathway and conclusion.
You see Bru7, you cannot even concede that part, and that is all Ive tried to get you to concede. You know what is causing your mental block.
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and understand (THEN) we can only reliably know what can be observed and quantified (THEREFORE) although we can speculate
Ivw asked you to speculate via rationa, logical common sense that Ive presented or any of your own, and your ego will not allow it.
You walking in fear of your ego * i *
about a hypothetical "infinite-non-occupied-space" we can't have any confidence whatsoever that it is "infinite" or "non-occupied" or even "space".
I not can have confidence I do have confidence. Does take any formal tuxedo PhD to use rational, logical common sense and arrive at the conclusions I have. It only takes a desire to seek truth and not let the ego get in the way of the truth when it appears.
SPACE(>*<) i (>*<)SPACE
Ive celarly laid out what the above means, and your and many others ego * i * repeatedly and continually blocks out truth.
Feynman was incorrect and had to eat his own words ..'.in a pigs eye'......
I am correct and have the rational, logical common sense pathways for others to follow or find on their own. Truth is truth irrespective of whether we know what the truth is.
It is only a human fact when we observe the truth. Mathematics can produce irrational, illogical dimensions etc that does not exist or certainly not what humans can ever observe. Rational logical common sense is something any person with reasonable intelligence can do.
That is what scares your ego and some others. That some one with informal can ascertain the truth, when you did not.
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@Mhykiel
Stron, if it is dumb and true at the same time, I can live with that.
Truth is my bottom line, not necessarily how I arrived at the truth.
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In 1800's people who proposed going to the moon were called lunatics { luna = moon }.
Pie-in-the-sky = impossible. Oh yea of little faith.
You dont believe and cant accept believe a octahedral <> fat middle class for all of humanity is better path than the dumb-bell path.
Oh yea of little faith of what is possible and I would call that kind of dumb non-thinking.
Does some cosmic law exist that prevents such a scenario? No? I didnt think and neither do you.
Do you not believe we have a dumb-bell >< scenario occurring with distrubition of wealth where middle-class is shrinking? No?
Then your in denial of truth.
Pie in the sky when it, occurs on Earth, is no longer pie-in-the-sky.
You prefer a global dumb-bell >< system for society? Yes? Maybe if your in the rich half.
If your not in rich half, then you might desire, and struggle for a fat <> middle class pie-in-the-sky.
In 1960 was the idea of the Soviet Union tearing down the wall, pie-in-the-sky?
The list of pie-in-the-sky scenarios coming to fruit is much larger than you give credit for.
Hey, I dont have faith humanity will pull-out of their spiral into humanicide. Does that mean I wont speak truth and make attempts to change the world for a better society, No, it does not.
Hope is the last line of defense. Hope for scientific discoveries. Hope for mind forward over butt forward leaders. Etc.
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@Greyparrot
He certainly can call for FBI investigation. Why you would suggest otherwise makes no sense.The left will also want him to involve the FBI when it's not his call to involve the FBI, nor can the FBI do anything more than the Senators can, namely, ask questions and hear answers.
He just cant cant with certainty make it happen. He refuses to ask because he is not interested in him or Mark Judge testifiying under oath.
These two both need to be charged with sex crimes. Somebody please charge these Trumpanzees and then lock them away!
Lock Them Away Today!
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@Greyparrot
Unlike you, Ive earned no Trumpanzee card never will like you have.
Your lack of immoral integrity is proof of you earning your Trumpanzee card.
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Ive never stated otherwise. I'm firm believer in governmental regulation/moderation.
So no need for you to play mind games. Makes you look foolish and also makes you look like this alternative fact, as follows;
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Yeah and gives jobs to poorer people who want to work.
Lets see do we know any poor people want to work?
Oh yeah the immigrants whose numbers have been declining for years.
Trumpanzees are in denial of the facts/truths and largest producer of alternative facts. Thanky miss conway you may return to your seat now.
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@Greyparrot
When the president stops talking, all you can hear are bestial screams and yells from a wild, uncontrollable press corps. It's such a shitshow.
That is common for many presidents not just idio-ump. Your always in denial of truth/facts and love to create alternative facts.
You obviously did not watch idio-ump pissy atttitude for some 20 - 30 minutes of answering reporters quetsions.
Or you did and just more denial of truth/facts. Sad :--(
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@Greyparrot
Wow so you are for controlled borders. I never took you for a Trumpanzee.
Ive never stated otherwise. I'm firm believer in governmental regulation/moderation.
So no need for you to play mind games. Makes you look foolish and also makes you look like this alternative fact, as follows;
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Yeah and gives jobs to poorer people who want to work.
Lets see do we know any poor people want to work?
Oh yeah the immigrants whose numbers have been declining for years.
Trumpanzees are in denial of the facts/truths and largest producer of alternative facts. Thanky miss conway you may return to your seat now.
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@Greyparrot
OMG, your obviously in denial of ongoing republican committe and Kavenaugh drama.Lol, the only people with hot heads were the reporters manufacturing outrage for fake news and ratings.
Obama was civil, intelliegent thougthful person.
Idio-ump reublican Trumpanzee ---ex kavenaguh---- are anything but civil, intelligent and thoughful.
Their all pissy becuase people are questioning good ole boy practices that are led y the lead Trumpanzee who has no problem grabbing any stranger womans private parts.
Trumpanzees dont care about morals of president, because of their personal only lack of moral integrity.
Lock These Immorals Away? Lock Them Away Today?
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